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Quote from: Mamanggg on April 24, 2023, 06:15:23 PM

Any option for free mixing? due chipmixer is over.

There is new mixer Whirlwind.money available now offering similar donation based fees, and they are active here in forum:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-whirlwindmoney-no-fee-ultimate-privacy-anonymity-mining-12-apr-5446575

PS
I am not recommending using this or any other mixer services, so do your own research!

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Sorry for pumping old thread.

Any option for free mixing? due chipmixer is over.

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Quote from: Sarah Azhari on October 13, 2022, 09:09:39 PM

the problem is not many people know how to check, and the meaning of open source self. Sure, we will be very comfortable if hear the application is open source, but many of them including me don't know how to check the code even shown on GitHub. I don't know what the inject code of maliciously programmed.

This is true, and has been the topic of lengthy discussions on this forum regarding open and closed source wallets. At the end of the day, if you unable to review the code yourself, then unfortunately it does come down to trust. However, with a closed source project you are trusting the small team or sometimes individual developer who is maintaining the project. With an open source project, at least you know there are many independent pairs of eyes on the code. For a project as popular and widespread as Tor, you can be relatively confident that malicious code would not make its way in to the browser, or at least not without someone alerting the community and widespread outrage.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 12, 2022, 06:04:07 AM

that Brave and Tor are both open source,

the problem is not many people know how to check, and the meaning of open source self. Sure, we will be very comfortable if hear the application is open source, but many of them including me don't know how to check the code even shown on GitHub. I don't know what the inject code of maliciously programmed.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on October 11, 2022, 04:54:36 PM

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And on technical level, Brave still create unique browser fingerprint which could be used to track user.

I think you might be wrong about that, and you need to do more research about this, because brave is randomizing fingerprints each time.
I am not sure how this works on their Tor window, and I am not endorsing Brave browser in any way, just correcting what you said.

I decide to test this feature on my VM. As i expected, not all characteristic is randomized. Brave still send true resolution of the VM screen and time zone of the VM (not UTC). Besides. Brave also make these statement,

Quote from: https://support.brave.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018121491-What-is-a-Private-Window-with-Tor-Connectivity-

Note that Private Windows with Tor Connectivity in Brave are just regular private windows that use Tor as a proxy. Brave does NOT implement most of the privacy protections from Tor Browser.

Quote from: https://support.brave.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018121491-What-is-a-Private-Window-with-Tor-Connectivity-

What if I want absolute anonymity while browsing?

If your personal safety depends on remaining anonymous, we highly recommend using Tor Browser instead of Brave Tor windows.

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Quote from: Sarah Azhari on October 11, 2022, 07:01:10 PM

is it possible Brave can take the detail like the private key?

It would be possible for any browser to be able to steal a private key or session token if it were maliciously programmed to do so, but given that Brave and Tor are both open source, then the chances of the necessary code making it in to the release builds is incredibly small. The risk of using Brave is not a security one, but rather a privacy one.

Quote from: Sarah Azhari on October 11, 2022, 07:01:10 PM

i have tried about 3 times using TOR browser and the last one I leave about 1 hour didn't withdraw it and is still intact when put it on electrum.

I have left chips on ChipMixer for months before withdrawing them, all without issue. The risk of doing so is not via a malicious browser stealing your session but rather of something happening to ChipMixer. If your browser was going to steal your session, it would do so when you access the session, meaning the period of time you leave the coins on ChipMixer is irrelevant for such an attack.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 10, 2022, 09:36:22 AM

I wouldn't recommend anyone uses Brave at all, but I definitely wouldn't recommend using it for anything sensitive to do with either bitcoin or privacy. Despite their marketing, they are not a privacy browser. Brave accepts money from entities like Facebook and Twitter to allow them to track you. They accept money from ad companies to serve you their specific ads, which are of course tailored based on your browsing history and other information. They take money from Binance to inject Binance's code and widgets in to the browser, which again are used to track you. The last people I would want to be able to see me visiting any privacy site or using any privacy solution are the likes of Binance and Facebook.

is it possible Brave can take the detail like the private key? i have tried about 3 times using TOR browser and the last one I leave about 1 hour didn't withdraw it and is still intact when put it on electrum. if we have to use Brave due to certain conditions, we better not leave it too long after 1 confirmation.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on October 10, 2022, 09:29:47 AM

How do you successfully access Chipmixer with Brave browser?

Can't you see a little icon showing up in right side of address bar in Brave browser?
You click on that icon and new Tor window opens up with Chipmixer or any other onion website.
However, I said before that I am not recommending that to be used as Tor daily driver.

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And on technical level, Brave still create unique browser fingerprint which could be used to track user.

I think you might be wrong about that, and you need to do more research about this, because brave is randomizing fingerprints each time.
I am not sure how this works on their Tor window, and I am not endorsing Brave browser in any way, just correcting what you said.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on October 10, 2022, 09:29:47 AM

How do you successfully access Chipmixer with Brave browser?
It seems it doesn't work for me I tried accessing the TOR links but this is the result.
Is there a need to change the Brave settings or something to make the .onion links accessible?

It's not going to work in a normal session, meaning you can't open a new tab and insert a .onion link into Brave browser. You need to create a new private window with Tor.
You should be able to access it by clicking on the 3 lines in the top right corner. It allows you to add a new tab, open a new window, but you want to click on "new private window with Tor".

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I wouldn't recommend anyone uses Brave at all, but I definitely wouldn't recommend using it for anything sensitive to do with either bitcoin or privacy. Despite their marketing, they are not a privacy browser. Brave accepts money from entities like Facebook and Twitter to allow them to track you. They accept money from ad companies to serve you their specific ads, which are of course tailored based on your browsing history and other information. They take money from Binance to inject Binance's code and widgets in to the browser, which again are used to track you. The last people I would want to be able to see me visiting any privacy site or using any privacy solution are the likes of Binance and Facebook.

Just use Tor. It takes 2 minutes to download and run.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on October 10, 2022, 08:51:39 AM

It's not that hard to download and install the Tor browser, but if that is not available you can always open the same onion link with Brave browser (fork of Chromium browser).

How do you successfully access Chipmixer with Brave browser?

It seems it doesn't work for me I tried accessing the TOR links but this is the result.

Is there a need to change the Brave settings or something to make the .onion links accessible?

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Quote from: BitMaxz on October 09, 2022, 07:00:59 PM

Like other said it's TOR link you can't just simply access it with normal browser you nedd to use TOR browser to access it but if you don't want to install TOR browser then you can access it with normal browser by adding .ws at the end of TOR url. I don't know if it is safe to use onion.ws but I hope someone can clear this here.

I would never do what you say to access Chipmixer, especially if newbie member is doing this.
It's not that hard to download and install Tor browser, but if that is not available you can always open the same onion link with Brave browser (fork of Chromium browser).
This should not be used as standard browser for mixing, but only as alternative option with less strict settings than Tor browser.

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Quote from: Lucius on October 10, 2022, 08:08:30 AM

Given that CM uses only the TOR link, those who use regular browsers could find themselves targeted by phishing from such domains.

Even when ChipMixer used a clearnet site too, plenty of non-Tor users were targeted by phishing (and still are) from fake clearnet sites on Google and other search engines.

Quote from: Lucius on October 10, 2022, 08:08:30 AM

Unfortunately, the average internet user does not understand what TOR is compared to a classic browser, and privacy is a category that is somewhere very low on the list of priorities for many.

Sure, but if someone is going to be using ChipMixer, then they are not the average "I have nothing to hide so I share my entire life on Facebook" type person. They are, at least, marginally interested in taking their privacy seriously, and they can discover what Tor is with 30 seconds of reading at https://www.torproject.org/

Quote from: Pmalek on October 10, 2022, 08:19:51 AM

But if we look a little further down, we can learn how to access .onion sites without using TOR and how to do it with Chrome.

And if someone Googles "chipmixer" they will also end up on phishing sites.

There is no way to prevent every possible avenue of user error. The chipmixer.com clearnet site makes it clear that you need the Tor browser to use ChipMixer.

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Quote from: Lucius on October 10, 2022, 08:08:30 AM

Given that CM uses only the TOR link, those who use regular browsers could find themselves targeted by phishing from such domains. Unfortunately, the average internet user does not understand what TOR is compared to a classic browser...

That is sadly true. Someone who heard about onion links for the first time could look it up on a search engine to see what comes up. Since Google is the most widely used search engine, I will use that. "how to open onion links" shows an article suggesting to download and use TOR. So far so good. But if we look a little further down, we can learn how to access .onion sites without using TOR and how to do it with Chrome. That's where you get recommendations to use those alternative domains. Since people prefer the easy route, adding two or three characters to the end of a link is easier than downloading and installing a new internet browser.

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Quote from: LeGaulois on October 09, 2022, 07:31:35 PM

People should never use onion.ws onion.city, onion.direct, and any onion domain that doesn't end only with .onion

Honestly, I didn't even know that such a thing existed, and especially that such domains collect so much data about those who use them. Given that CM uses only the TOR link, those who use regular browsers could find themselves targeted by phishing from such domains. Unfortunately, the average internet user does not understand what TOR is compared to a classic browser, and privacy is a category that is somewhere very low on the list of priorities for many.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on October 09, 2022, 07:00:59 PM

but if you don't want to install TOR browser then you can access it with normal browser by adding .ws at the end of TOR url.

Never do this! In addition to what LeGaulois has said above in that you lose absolutely all your privacy, it is trivial for such a service to insert their own bitcoin deposit address or redirect you to their own malicious site and simply steal any bitcoin you deposit.

Downloading, verifying, and installing Tor is simple, quick, and free. There is no reason not to do it if you are interested in your privacy.

https://www.torproject.org/download/
https://support.torproject.org/tbb/how-to-verify-signature/

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People should never use onion.ws onion.city, onion.direct, and any onion domain that doesn't end only with .onion

They're Tor2Web proxies and they can be very harmful if the person doesn't know how they work behind the scene.
They see everything, from the credentials you use, know the IP of the user, what you upload, and cookies, they track users via Google Analytics, and so on. I could talk about the DNS too.

it defeats the whole anonymity and a lot of links are malicious as well

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https://medium.com/@c5/tor2web-proxies-are-using-google-analytics-to-secretly-track-users-fd245dbc81c5

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Quote from: Uang_kartal on August 29, 2022, 10:50:11 PM

interesting tutorial . but when i access the link you provided, i get a warning like that. i already use DNS 1.1.1.1 for the private connection that the website asks for. so i don't continue.

Like other said it's TOR link you can't just simply access it with normal browser you nedd to use TOR browser to access it but if you don't want to install TOR browser then you can access it with normal browser by adding .ws at the end of TOR url. I don't know if it is safe to use onion.ws but I hope someone can clear this here.

Quote from: Sarah Azhari on October 08, 2022, 07:18:20 PM

so, in this case, what can official do?. are they report it?
how to make a scammer don't create a similar one?
can we report google to court

Like the other said reporting them will do nothing and if you report it to Google what they can do only is to remove it on their SERP and nothing else.

If you want to report them then check the domain whois if where it was hosted and try to take them down by contacting them.
Or you can report it to US-CERT and Anti-Phishing Working Group (APWG).

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Quote from: Sarah Azhari on October 08, 2022, 07:18:20 PM

can we report google to court

You can report the sites to Google to have them delisted, but this will achieve almost nothing. Firstly, Google are quite happy to accept money from proven scams to either run ads at the top of every page with those scams, or to bump those scams up their search results. Google don't care if you lose all your money to a scam you find via their search engine. All they care about is their profits. Secondly, even if you succeed in getting one of these scam sites delisted, it will be replaced by two more within 24 hours.

You could try taking Google to court, but their various Terms of Use are very explicit that they will in no way be held responsible for things you find via their search results. And they can afford much better lawyers than you can.

You should never use a search engine to find an important site, be that ChipMixer, a wallet, an exchange, a bank, or so on. And you should just stop using all Google products altogether. Follow Pmalek's advice above and find the true link from this forum.

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Quote from: Sarah Azhari on October 08, 2022, 07:18:20 PM

There is too many scam site when I google it [chipmixer]

Don't google ChipMixer. All the results lead to fake phishing sites. The only valid link is on position #4 (at least on my end) and shows the latest Bitcointalk forum posts of the user ChipMixer.

Bookmark the official website or memorize it and only access it that way. It will show you the correct onion link that you can use with the TOR browser. Theoretically, the official .com website can be targeted and even hacked, and maybe the official .onion link gets replaced with a fake one. It's a good idea to doublecheck if the .onion address is the same one as shown on ChipMixer's ANN page. That gives you a bit of extra security.

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