Topic: Twitch gambling problem and Sliker issue (Read 816 times)

If I agree with what you transmit, I do not agree that I am a minor, but as minors enter platforms like this, today it can be gambling, or other video games, but I think that above all these rules should exist, because An apparent cause that things go wrong is because they give entrance to very minor minors, now all these things are very delicate due to the whole issue of protection of children and currently they have been put in place with many restrictions that can imprison the parents themselves for not be supervising what their children do on the web and in turn avoid many bad things that have happened.

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In my personal opinion I think that a social network or any other similar medium each person gives it the use they want, in this case the only thing they have to do is make a rule where they prevent streamers from asking for money, something like that is done here in the forum but they don't have to make this a very big problem, in fact this extended to prohibit everything that has to do with the streamers of the most recognized casinos, of course among them is stake.com, so this is a policy that does not seem correct to me, just as they invented twitch, another one can come out that allows it and it is going to lose all that traffic sometimes they do not know how to do things well.

It's why I suggested earlier in this thread that there be a disclaimer marked for anyone that is displaying any gambling content. A quick search tells me that the minimum age required to sign up for a Twitch.tv account is 13 (this is absurdly young, but to each his own I suppose). If they haven't already, ban any account that is under the age of 18 from accessing any form of gambling content videos/livestream, and then put a manual waiver or user agreement for all other accounts that force the user to accept the risks of gambling, and perhaps even put a support resources for gambling addiction in there as well.

They're allowing sports betting and gambling providers in the U.S., so it doesn't make sense why they would target out game operators outside the U.S.

While it is true that there will always be people trying to abuse the platform and violate their regulations, at least if they prohibit it on their TOS this means that as soon as someone reports those accounts and someone follows on that report then a ban can be issued without having to give any explanation to the offending account, as they knew what they we are doing.

So while this is not going to stop people from creating that content and using Twitch to promote it, at least we should see a reduction on that content appearing on their platform.

18 years old is the legal age for most countries but for some it can be lower than that. We know kids, they are curious so they can view these things but I think many of them won't engage with it because they can find it boring.

Video games are still the main thing that can make a kid addicted especially if they are famous e.g Roblox and Fortnite or any other kid games out there. Many people viewed gambling as a negative thing but yet there are still there so why would twitch ban it? Doing so would only make their income less. The problem is not by the gambling or the platform itself but it was the person who are irresponsible on doing that thing.

Few days after the issue about Sliker went out, many streamers expressed their disappointment of Twitch's policies regarding streaming gambling content because many streamers are bypassing the terms set already and the platform don't really make necessary actions about it. Hence, they started to make a noise to be noticed by Twitch stating that they will discontinue using the platform if they won't update their terms of service and ban other gambling content which the platform adhere in their request.

Twitch stated that they will ban streaming content about gambling related to unlicensed casinos in US for the greater good of many. Twitch also said that they will review and update their policy and the changes will take effect on 18th of October. They mentioned several casinos that has made big reputation already and said that they will name the others as they go along the process of making Twitch safer for the viewers and streamers. Hopefully, they will really strictly impose all their rules and policies to each and everyone because currently, they have many loopholes which they still don't attend to such as the all over referral codes and links about gambling sites that cater games which are supposedly prohibited, but it seems it is not because you can see it all over their platform.

They have a month to figure out the details. We can only speculate its nature for now. But twitch definitely doesn't want its name to be associated with such dramas, they will come down hard on it. Their reputation amongst big brand(Intel, acer, nvidia, etc) matters more to them, compared to whatever stake or roobet is paying them or slot streams rakes in.

All offshore casinos.



Age restriction would never work on a platform with majority of its audience under 18


Those social medias are massive. And you will always get content tailored according to your interest.
I use Twitter and reddit on a daily basis, my feeds are full of wholesome content usually.

This matter will highly depend on what kind of rules and policies does Twitch have on their platform. If they impose strictly that no solicitation should be done in their platforms by the streamers to avoid abuse and scamming, then it is clear as day that Sliker violated their TOS and therefore deserves a punishment so that the others won't follow his steps. However, it isn't outright stated that Twitch is against such act, so perhaps that's the reason why there are still streamers that continuously to do such act.

Since like you said, their TOS isn't clearly implementing what needs to be done, they somehow play a part and have a shortcoming on this issue. Hopefully, they will implement strictly their policies and make those people who won't abide to be accountable to their actions.

Trainwrecks will be fine, he was big streamer long before doing the gambling.   The amount he gambles I wonder if its better for him overall to have a reason to lower his time spent, either way he is fine and his viewers will watch him doing alot of games.   It would be quite interesting if Poker suddenly popped up on Twitch in replacement and became as big as Chess did a while back.   We had gambling for years probably as long as the site existed because of esports and betting on games was always a thing, would be surprising if that didnt continue on some streams just a question of how much and if it trends.

Only stake, duelbits and roobet? But, what about other gambling sites? Because I heard the ban is only selected but gambling streams are still there and will continue. I don't think the gambling sites that I mentioned are illegal but I believe all of them already have their own licenses.

The ban has also nothing to do with country restrictions because it was only a streaming service. Given that the gambling industry is growing, we can expect that more bans and restrictions like this are going to happen in the future because there are people who use gambling in a wrong way and there are concerned people or institutions that are taking an action to help combat the issue.

By the way, many streamers run so-called 24-hour marathons when they stream 24 hours without a break to sleep or rest. Obviously, this is no less dangerous and unhealthy nonsense (if you do it regularly or even once). So what? Now when someone complains about such a stream, will we see a new ban on such marathons?  In my opinion, this is a false direction of development - as if people are morons and cannot decide for themselves what to do or not to do.

I think everything depends on the TOS of Twitch, like you mentioned. If they prohibit any form of solicitation whether express or implied, then they can rule that this Twitch streamer violated their TOS. Given the widespread of online gambling among the youth, I do expect that Twitch will soon amend their TOS or implement it more strictly this time.

It is really a fine line between a violation or a loophole. I hope that Twitch creates or releases a statement from prohibiting "express" forms of gambling since they cannot totally remove and prohibit crate unboxing from their platform.

Yep, if they want to segment between luck-based and skill-based gambling. They open a paradox of people (or gamblers) arguing whether this game is luck-based or skill-based. Then we would also discussion about gambling/betting that have both of these. Shit is really stupid and Twitch clearly doesn't know what they're doing, ban things on a whim like that.

Agree with you two here, lootbox is 100% luck based but hey, it'll stay on Twitch cause pretty much every game nowadays has it in their games. Mobile games with their gacha shits are also a variant of lootbox, luck-based too. As I said, Twitch really doesn't know what they're doing. Seems like if something already become too big, Twitch doesn't dare to ban it even with the pretext of 'for the kids!' So maybe once slots, roulette and dice become big enough, plenty of people play it, Twitch might include it back.

Twitch has placed a ban on offshore casinos but not on gambling. With this, it is obvious that this is not the last straw, the one that would break the camel's back. Twitch does not put a stop to gambling streaming. So it did not stop gamblers from continuously showing to their audience, young and old, their gambling experience live. So whether gambling is a responsible content or not, Twitch did not take a side. It has banned certain platforms but not gambling in general. 

Hehe you couldn't be more correct about this and, I could not say it enough. You might dig back into my post history to discover I used to have both Twitter and Instagram in the ICO days, and I ended up deleting them all because it got so terrible thanks to my crypto links. Before crypto it was great, I had accounts of artists and news I followed, wonderful until I ruined it with crypto.

Social media and authentic... hard to find. Authentic guys have private spaces anyway

However, gambling companies have to follow Twitch's rules and I'm sure they will be able to find other ways to help them keep promoting. The restriction may be temporary but it will not stop gambling sites from promoting because they have already benefited a lot from the promotion. So even if Twitch has banned the promotion of gambling, the casino can still do promotion elsewhere and that's not a big problem for the casino.

I wouldn't say that they are late, it's just the backlash that they got recently that they to make actions on it otherwise it will grow and could be out of hand for them.

Yes, it could be harmful to many, but then again, you can't please everyone as they say. There are a lot of social media platforms such as youtube who inadvertently advertised gambling, but they are very fast to react and take down that challenge. Twitch do is very different, it's a live stream so they have a team to watch which streamers are posting gambling and what not, so it's a infrastructure nightmare.

They allow Poker they got some sense, it doesnt really add up overall to suddenly change policy over one guy.   Theres always one guy for every example of why, we can find the news story for one guy who played games too much, over exhausted and literally died from it.   Clearly dont do that but its hardly the reasoning to ban all games and yes seriously people have tried that level of reasoning and we've had many court cases over the idea of people will copy everything they see in a game so we must ban all games.   Gambling is with risk but Twitch cant easily quantify that risk apparently, their response is probably formulated by lawyers more then any other kind of reasoning.
  It does underline once again free speech and freedom in general is a rare commodity long term.

Twitch came so late to take such initiative which became a big obstacle in the gaming promotion. However, they have certainly tried to raise some complaints behind their decision. Where they mentioned. The links and referral codes of the gambling sites are variously becoming harmful to their communities. Which are broken their rules. Here they have also mentioned some gambling sites. But I agree with you that minors should be restricted.

Firstly, I would like to say that I mostly agree with you when you talk about how Terms of services of social media have become so strict that people can easily get banned by using some words or expressing their honest opinion. I recall, back in the day when Twitch and Youtube did not mind if users stuck to political correctness, it was a good to be part of that era, that being said, gambling is something different from those things, we are talking about a platform that is frequented by a lot of children and teens which could start gambling because their favorite influencer does it and they believe it to be "cool", and while they are kids and teens who understand they should not gamble, there are others who could start a gambling career too early in their lifes.

If Twitch wants to keep those gambling streams then it would be fine, but they should also restrict that content to people over 18 or 16 years old, somehow.

We do have own perspective on things on which some do appreciate on someone's action as long it does oppose those things which arent that ethical on the first place.Anything which is really not really good looking
or something that could be pertain as a bad habit or actions will really be banned by those platforms because they do know that there would be supporters on the actions that they had made and tells that
it was just a right decision for them to make.