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Quote from: edgycorner on September 19, 2022, 05:38:40 PM

Update: Twitch has placed a ban on off shore casinos.
https://i.imgur.com/jTqZTAq.png

Still they are allowing the sport betting even poker if I am not wrong and that is what mostly gambled and steamed ones then what is the actual reason of the ban?

So its just fornthe sake of showing the platform is being responsible but without actually not really disturbing anything?!... Huh

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Quote from: wxa7115 on September 21, 2022, 09:54:00 PM

This ban was long coming, if the streamers presented gambling in a responsible manner and they were honest about what you could expect out of gambling then I do not think they would have done something like this.

But this is not what happened, streamers began abusing their position and those watching them enabled them, so Twitch has decided to finally take action against them, and while this is a step on the wrong direction when it comes to the popularity of cryptocurrency casinos, I think they did not gave Twitch any other choice.

If I remember correctly, there was already a similar scandal regarding sexualized content and Twitch also took action, but little (if anything) has changed since then. The most popular streamers both did streams in pools and continue to do so, as they licked microphones and continue to do so. In addition, in the channel description they have links to their OF profiles or even to porn sites where they earn the main money. Maybe these restrictions regarding gambling are also exaggerated and will not affect anything?

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Quote from: KTChampions on September 23, 2022, 12:47:39 PM

Quote from: Yogee on September 22, 2022, 05:58:20 PM

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Quote from: Yogee on September 21, 2022, 05:34:17 PM

No but that shouldn't be your focus - the most important part there is "sufficient consumer protection". Twitch is playing it safe and let those licensing agencies do their jobs. Smart move.
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Hmm... I didn't get your point. What exactly will protect me as a consumer? I am 18+ years old and I allow myself to watch a streamer play in a "dangerous" casino. But Twitch bans such broadcasts. In my opinion, this is a limitation, not a protection.

Allowing only casinos licensed in the US or jurisdictions with strict regulations for consumer protection in the case of Twitch just means your rights as a consumer are better upheld since you can easily file complaint against these platforms compared to those licensed offshore. I think it's a good deterrent against casinos and content creators not to mislead their viewers. It's not really meant to protect you from being a gambling addict or whatever.

Hmm... still don't get it. Can you explain to me again? But without simply repeating what you said the very first time? Did you see what I wrote? - I want to watch a stream with adult content (18+) about how a streamer plays in a "dangerous" casino. What is the protection of my rights if I am deprived of the opportunity to watch such a stream?

Errrrr protection is not really on the watching but on the potential consumption of whatever product these streamers are trying to sell to you. Twitch is trying to give viewers more power to go after them and their casino sponsors if they mislead you through their fraudulent claims and practices.

Twitch probably thinks those licensed offshore offers less protection to consumers so they plan to ban them outright.

Yes Twitch limit viewers choices with this move in an attempt to "save" them from not playing in casinos that probably offers less protection to consumers or players.

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And I do not see, but I see a ban that does not suit me completely. I'm trying to understand why it suits you.

It doesn't. It's one of the casinos that I think is reputable despite it being licensed outside of US but that's not what Twitch thinks.

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Quote from: Yogee on September 22, 2022, 05:58:20 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on September 22, 2022, 02:57:32 PM

Quote from: Yogee on September 21, 2022, 05:34:17 PM

No but that shouldn't be your focus - the most important part there is "sufficient consumer protection". Twitch is playing it safe and let those licensing agencies do their jobs. Smart move.
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Hmm... I didn't get your point. What exactly will protect me as a consumer? I am 18+ years old and I allow myself to watch a streamer play in a "dangerous" casino. But Twitch bans such broadcasts. In my opinion, this is a limitation, not a protection.

Allowing only casinos licensed in the US or jurisdictions with strict regulations for consumer protection in the case of Twitch just means your rights as a consumer are better upheld since you can easily file complaint against these platforms compared to those licensed offshore. I think it's a good deterrent against casinos and content creators not to mislead their viewers. It's not really meant to protect you from being a gambling addict or whatever.

Hmm... still don't get it. Can you explain to me again? But without simply repeating what you said the very first time? Did you see what I wrote? - I want to watch a stream with adult content (18+) about how a streamer plays in a "dangerous" casino. What is the protection of my rights if I am deprived of the opportunity to watch such a stream?

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As I heard the Stake casino was also banned because it is associated with cryptocurrencies. It suits you?

Why bring this up? I see no relevance to the consumer protection topic.

And I do not see, but I see a ban that does not suit me completely. I'm trying to understand why it suits you.

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Quote from: Kemarit on September 22, 2022, 06:52:02 PM

Quote from: Pierre 2 on September 22, 2022, 01:30:42 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on September 21, 2022, 09:01:01 PM

Ok, there are still a full month for those gamblers to finish and wrap everything up because the full hands of rule or shall we say the pressure that Twitch has been gotten in the last couple of months force them to ban all streamers that post related gambling content.

Is it a win for anti-gamblers out there? maybe but we all know that they will continue to do so, regardless of which social media platform they are going to promote.

Yeah. I don't understand why people feel like Twitch is only option out there. I know that Dlive is doing good now and it allows gambling streaming. And it has Blockchain integration which is awesome.
I feel like many anti-gambling people suggest, Twitch is filled with kids so gambling is dangerous for them etc but I think they could just do age limit to those streams. I feel like Twitch can't handle this issue because of publicity.

Dlive is a good options, although is still small, but for sure, as we have said, streamers will have to find a way and this could give Dlive one of the alternatives for now. Or there could be other apps that will born because of this issue Maybe they will just focus on streaming gambling on their platform. So it's not like anti-gamblers have won the game. It just started, so we will see how far this will go. Twitch might be afraid of the 'cancel' culture, a movement that has been going on from hollywood to any sector in the society.

Maybe Twitch just wants to play safe here. You know how popular Twitch is among teenagers in high school or even kids. Would not be good for their image if you can access gambling content with just a few clicks under the main site. Sure, I'm all for gambling but putting it under ads as 'streaming' near kids is something I found distasteful.

Now, you can argue Twitch allow things like girls wearing skimpy outfit and such but I think it's okay. It's not like I was an angel back when I was a kid, sneak a glance at my dad's playboy mag when he wasn't home. That kind of thing is fine for kids, a bit curious about sex. But gambling? Nah. They're too young for that. Welcome any alternative streaming sites that are more open than Twitch. But even Mixer with Microsoft's backing has gone nowhere, what is the chance for Dlive or any streaming site out there?

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on September 22, 2022, 01:30:42 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on September 21, 2022, 09:01:01 PM

Ok, there are still a full month for those gamblers to finish and wrap everything up because the full hands of rule or shall we say the pressure that Twitch has been gotten in the last couple of months force them to ban all streamers that post related gambling content.

Is it a win for anti-gamblers out there? maybe but we all know that they will continue to do so, regardless of which social media platform they are going to promote.

Yeah. I don't understand why people feel like Twitch is only option out there. I know that Dlive is doing good now and it allows gambling streaming. And it has Blockchain integration which is awesome.
I feel like many anti-gambling people suggest, Twitch is filled with kids so gambling is dangerous for them etc but I think they could just do age limit to those streams. I feel like Twitch can't handle this issue because of publicity.

Dlive is a good options, although is still small, but for sure, as we have said, streamers will have to find a way and this could give Dlive one of the alternatives for now. Or there could be other apps that will born because of this issue Maybe they will just focus on streaming gambling on their platform. So it's not like anti-gamblers have won the game. It just started, so we will see how far this will go. Twitch might be afraid of the 'cancel' culture, a movement that has been going on from hollywood to any sector in the society.

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Quote from: KTChampions on September 22, 2022, 02:57:32 PM

Quote from: Yogee on September 21, 2022, 05:34:17 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on September 21, 2022, 02:29:07 PM

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I don't know if I should be happy about it. Has gambling from trusted casinos become less dangerous? I strongly doubt it.

No but that shouldn't be your focus - the most important part there is "sufficient consumer protection". Twitch is playing it safe and let those licensing agencies do their jobs. Smart move.
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Hmm... I didn't get your point. What exactly will protect me as a consumer? I am 18+ years old and I allow myself to watch a streamer play in a "dangerous" casino. But Twitch bans such broadcasts. In my opinion, this is a limitation, not a protection.

Allowing only casinos licensed in the US or jurisdictions with strict regulations for consumer protection in the case of Twitch just means your rights as a consumer are better upheld since you can easily file complaint against these platforms compared to those licensed offshore. I think it's a good deterrent against casinos and content creators not to mislead their viewers. It's not really meant to protect you from being a gambling addict or whatever.

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As I heard the Stake casino was also banned because it is associated with cryptocurrencies. It suits you?

Why bring this up? I see no relevance to the consumer protection topic.

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Quote from: Yogee on September 21, 2022, 05:34:17 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on September 21, 2022, 02:29:07 PM

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I don't know if I should be happy about it. Has gambling from trusted casinos become less dangerous? I strongly doubt it.

No but that shouldn't be your focus - the most important part there is "sufficient consumer protection". Twitch is playing it safe and let those licensing agencies do their jobs. Smart move.
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Hmm... I didn't get your point. What exactly will protect me as a consumer? I am 18+ years old and I allow myself to watch a streamer play in a "dangerous" casino. But Twitch bans such broadcasts. In my opinion, this is a limitation, not a protection. As I heard the Stake casino was also banned because it is associated with cryptocurrencies. It suits you?

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Quote from: Kemarit on September 21, 2022, 09:01:01 PM

Ok, there are still a full month for those gamblers to finish and wrap everything up because the full hands of rule or shall we say the pressure that Twitch has been gotten in the last couple of months force them to ban all streamers that post related gambling content.

Is it a win for anti-gamblers out there? maybe but we all know that they will continue to do so, regardless of which social media platform they are going to promote.

Yeah. I don't understand why people feel like Twitch is only option out there. I know that Dlive is doing good now and it allows gambling streaming. And it has Blockchain integration which is awesome.
I feel like many anti-gambling people suggest, Twitch is filled with kids so gambling is dangerous for them etc but I think they could just do age limit to those streams. I feel like Twitch can't handle this issue because of publicity.

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Quote from: edgycorner on September 19, 2022, 05:38:40 PM

Silker is a Twitch streamer and would use his influence & position to ask for money from his viewers, other streamers, friends, etcetra. Then he would gamble away all of this borrowed money on sports betting. Mostly tennis matches lol

Here's a tweet by Jake Lucky on this https://twitter.com/JakeSucky/status/1571309473402355712

Twitch has turned into a cesspool of gambling addicts and gambling pushers. Do you think it's a responsible content creation & moderation on a platform which is used by teens, kids, and young adults?

Will this be the straw that will finally break the Camel's back and will force Twitch to ban gambling streams?
I hope it does.

Update: Twitch has placed a ban on off shore casinos.
https://i.imgur.com/jTqZTAq.png

This ban was long coming, if the streamers presented gambling in a responsible manner and they were honest about what you could expect out of gambling then I do not think they would have done something like this.

But this is not what happened, streamers began abusing their position and those watching them enabled them, so Twitch has decided to finally take action against them, and while this is a step on the wrong direction when it comes to the popularity of cryptocurrency casinos, I think they did not gave Twitch any other choice.

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maybe this is one of the reason why twitch had this decision to ban gambling sites from their site and streaming

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/twitch-to-ban-gambling-streaming-by-october-18th-5414408

full respect for this decision though this will surely affect their popularity as gambling online is one of the most visited and contributing factor for their business.

Hope that Twitch did a best action for the future of their business .

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Quote from: onecall123 on September 21, 2022, 09:18:49 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 21, 2022, 05:48:22 AM

Quote from: edgycorner on September 21, 2022, 12:51:40 AM

Update: Twitch has placed a ban on offshore casinos. It's a win in my book. At least we won't see the same amount of shills turning kids into gambling addicts on twitch

https://i.imgur.com/jTqZTAq.png

I have been saying this for months and it finally happened!!

I am really happy today, gonna order some vanilla ice cream lol

So only sports betting, fantasy sports, and poker will be allowed to show up on Twitch, while all sites that do not allow to promote on Twitch. But I am sure those sites will have other ways to promote their sites on the other sites.

But yes, it will help kids from watching gambling content and hopefully, this can prevent someone from becoming addicted to gambling. Hopefully, it will not reduce the income for Twitch a lot since gambling contributes a big income for them.

Several gambling websites will be banned by Twitch as part of its updated gambling policy. Slots, roulette, and dice are no longer allowed to be streamed from unlicensed gambling sites. An ongoing gambling controversy prompted the announcement of the change. Though the gambling streams and the skimpy streamers make them far too much money.

The act of gambling itself is not harmful, but once it becomes excessive, it becomes insane. Is gambling something I agree with? I don't. However, that is how they make their money, so let it be.

There will always be a controversy between those who approve of gambling and those who don't because we see gambling as harmless as long as we can control ourselves. But most people will lose control of themselves when playing gambling, which is what some worry about. They don't want to see more and more victims of gambling addiction so that people can enjoy life better without gambling. But people who are still curious about gambling will always look for ways to keep playing gambling; some of them do have a desire to keep gambling forever.

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Ok, there are still a full month for those gamblers to finish and wrap everything up because the full hands of rule or shall we say the pressure that Twitch has been gotten in the last couple of months force them to ban all streamers that post related gambling content.

Is it a win for anti-gamblers out there? maybe but we all know that they will continue to do so, regardless of which social media platform they are going to promote.

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Quote from: edgycorner on September 19, 2022, 05:38:40 PM

Will this be the straw that will finally break the Camel's back and will force Twitch to ban gambling streams?

Twitch has long been the favorite streaming channel for addicted gamblers.
And Twitch does very little to combat this because this is one of the few sectors that still attract people and consequently keep the platform active, otherwise they would lose much more space to Youtube.
Obviously Twitch needs to fight this in a more energetic way, but rest assured that when this happens the betting streams will simply migrate to another less moderate platform.

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Quote from: Yogee on September 21, 2022, 05:34:17 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on September 21, 2022, 02:29:07 PM

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I don't know if I should be happy about it. Has gambling from trusted casinos become less dangerous? I strongly doubt it.

No but that shouldn't be your focus - the most important part there is "sufficient consumer protection". Twitch is playing it safe and let those licensing agencies do their jobs. Smart move.

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Can anyone clarify if spors betting platforms licensed by Curacao or other countries would still be allowed in their new policy? or is it strictly from US or maybe UK?

If you look at their official blog post:

https://twitter.com/Twitch/status/1572347129192132611

So it's blanket ban on those top tier crypto gambling platform. They have their Curacao licenses, but it doesn't matter.

As of now, I will say that sports betting will be included. But according to them, they will clear out everyone in the next coming days before it take effect on Oct 18.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 21, 2022, 11:08:33 AM

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I think they will monitor the progress. and if there are more similar cases popping up in the future, I'm sure Twitch will make policy updates to tighten the rules and prevent similar things from happening in the future. otherwise, eventually people will no longer have faith in Twitch as the leading platform.

^ Or it becomes worst instead we are waiting for progress many users of Twitch will switch to another platform because of this and I hope this will not happen to them. I don't have enough knowledge too on this platform but it seems they think that promoting gambling casinos that are based on house edge (unlike sportsbook and poker) can ruin their reputation. But let us wait for the result and we hope they are not ended up with a negative result.

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Quote from: KTChampions on September 21, 2022, 02:29:07 PM

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I don't know if I should be happy about it. Has gambling from trusted casinos become less dangerous? I strongly doubt it.

No but that shouldn't be your focus - the most important part there is "sufficient consumer protection". Twitch is playing it safe and let those licensing agencies do their jobs. Smart move.

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Can anyone clarify if spors betting platforms licensed by Curacao or other countries would still be allowed in their new policy? or is it strictly from US or maybe UK?

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Quote from: dunfida on September 21, 2022, 03:36:31 PM

Quote from: aioc on September 21, 2022, 10:04:59 AM

Quote from: edgycorner on September 19, 2022, 05:38:40 PM

Update: Twitch has placed a ban on off shore casinos.
https://i.imgur.com/jTqZTAq.png

That's fast Twitch may have received a lot of bad reports about streamers abusing their followers, I don't see anything wrong on doing stream on sports betting and casinos, you're informing, enlightening people and educating people on the gambling feature of one casino, anyway there are still a lot of streaming platform that these streamers can perform their streaming but they should not abuse their followers, like what Sliker did.

That was indeed fast which it is really normal on having that kind of action whenever the platform or company did received lots of reports in regarding on what Sliker did but they do only limit out into those offshore

and still alow into those platforms who do have US licensed but actually this was just a right actions that they had made but to consider out on how many been affected then there's nothing we can do about it.
Twitch isnt only the streaming platform that we know that there are several ones which those streamers or influencers would just definitely be transferring if ever they cant already
do such stream or genre on twitch.

Casino streaming has a vast market, and Twitch seems ready to lose that market, they could just ban or limit one guy guilty of abuse of its followers but unfortunately, they prefer to ban the majority of casinos for streaming, We'll never know if Youtube will follow if they see similar abuse, but streaming is a growing market and platform can make a revenue out of this followers so I say other big followers will not that kind of action.

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Quote from: edgycorner on September 21, 2022, 12:51:40 AM

Update: Twitch has placed a ban on offshore casinos. It's a win in my book. At least we won't see the same amount of shills turning kids into gambling addicts on twitch

https://i.imgur.com/jTqZTAq.png

I have been saying this for months and it finally happened!!

I am really happy today, gonna order some vanilla ice cream lol

Wow, they've made a statement and those special mentions are all in the forum as well. That's how huge these casinos are and Duelbits is on it. Well, they're now targeting a specific niche and still allow those that have been mentioned and I guess these gambling content creators/streamers will now focus on sports betting and poker then. They shouldn't put the burden to the streamers but make a feature on the platform that filters the viewers of these streamers that would allow/disallow based on the age bracket of their viewers.

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I just heard the news today about the partial ban on foreign casinos, It was a surprise Twitch/Amazon would tackle this issue this fast, I assume it started to make into mainstream news or became a tendency to talk about this on social media?

Regardless of what happened for amazon to do this, It is quite a blow for offshore Casinos and a huge opportunities for American online casinos, this may be the last measure Amazon could take before a complete ban on gambling in case things do not improve in the eyes of Amazon.

Also, I dont want to sound like a conspiracy theorist but this sounds like something which benefits much to USA casinos as I said, is there a possibility Amazon was in private conversations with representatives of the gambling industry in USA?

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