Twitch gambling problem and Sliker issue - page 2.

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Quote from: pawanjain on September 25, 2022, 08:59:56 AM

This should have happened a while ago. Many influencers had already started streaming gambling content on Twitch long time ago.
It was a matter of time before gambling streams got banned on this platform and now that it has happened many people will be saved from these influencers.
So far only a few games in a few gambling platforms are banned but as time goes we might see more games and more sites being added to the list.

I don't understand what's the problem with not watching what you don't like? These modern trends to ban everything are just awful. I remember the times when twitch streaming was fun and you could hear funny jokes on any topic. Now this is all banned and if the streamer did not have time to say "I condemn" in time, he can be banned even for a joke in the chat that has nothing to do with him. We are getting closer to a dystopia, and as I see it, you rejoice in this? Terrible.

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A sudden announcement like this from Twitch doesn't well indication for the gambling company. It is believed that Twitch may have banned this gambling sites due to some kind of restrictions by the government or others. Nowadays gambling has become a big industry. But I hope that such restrictions may be reduce in the near future. Besides, all these companies have to take alternative route for gambling promotion.

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Quote from: edgycorner on September 19, 2022, 06:38:40 PM

Silker is a Twitch streamer and would use his influence & position to ask for money from his viewers, other streamers, friends, etcetra.

Well, it is his right to ask money from his viewers. Many people do this, after all, they are popular and they need to make money.
The bigger the influencers, the more money they can make.

Quote from: edgycorner on September 19, 2022, 06:38:40 PM

Then he would gamble away all of this borrowed money on sports betting. Mostly tennis matches lol

It is his money and he can spend it anywhere. I know he must be losing a lot in gambling but wont tell publically.

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Update: Twitch has placed a ban on off shore casinos.

That's why we need decentralized platforms so that the central body wont ban the gambling and crypto streams.

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Quote from: edgycorner on September 19, 2022, 06:38:40 PM

Do you think it's a responsible content creation & moderation on a platform which is used by teens, kids, and young adults?

For me, gambling contents should really not be permitted to stream on any platform. It encourages all ages of people to gamble and try their luck when they see their idols winning some huge amount. There are also some streamers who just takes advantage by promoting their affiliate link so they can earn some commission.

Quote from: edgycorner on September 19, 2022, 06:38:40 PM

Will this be the straw that will finally break the Camel's back and will force Twitch to ban gambling streams?

They did not totally ban gambling streams. Only some games like slots, roulette, and dice games are prohibited. Poker, sports betting, and fantasy sports are still allowed to stream on their platform.

Interesting. So to Twitch, there is a difference between gambling games like slots, roulette, and dice compare to gambling activities like poker and sports betting? Heck, lootbox is considered as gambling in some countries but I bet there are plenty of streamers who did the lootbox stream. esport like CSGO, Dota2 betting on live there right now, on the casting channel and no one bat an eye.

Very inconsistent treatment from Twitch. Like they did that on a whim and tho I said I don't like gambling advertising near kids, this is very unfair treatment of gambling games.

It is really hard to be sure which one is more gambling and which one isn't with that. I also think its %100 inconsistent. I personally see lootbox dropping as gambling honestly. It can convince to kids open random boxes. Its definitely gambling for expensive item/drop. Slots, roulette, and dice are easy and obvious ones, these are part of physical casinos even. But with poker and sports betting? I mean if these are permitted, that just doesn't make any sense to me. Poker has a strategy but if its played for money its another gambling activity. Sports betting? I won't even argue.

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Quote from: blue_hurricanger on September 25, 2022, 06:43:01 AM

Interesting. So to Twitch, there is a difference between gambling games like slots, roulette, and dice compare to gambling activities like poker and sports betting? Heck, lootbox is considered as gambling in some countries but I bet there are plenty of streamers who did the lootbox stream. esport like CSGO, Dota2 betting on live there right now, on the casting channel and no one bat an eye.

Very inconsistent treatment from Twitch. Like they did that on a whim and tho I said I don't like gambling advertising near kids, this is very unfair treatment of gambling games.

Maybe Twitch think slots, roulette and dice are luck based games where any users can play without thinking any strategy (of course there's no strategy on luck based games). While poker and sports betting are skill based games where you can actually earn money if you're very good analyst.

However I tend to agree lootbox stream or gacha should be considered as lucky based games since it works similar like slots, roulette and dice. Actually there's many cases where a kids borrow their parents credit card only for lootbox stream or gacha.

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Quote from: slaman29 on September 25, 2022, 09:20:35 AM

Twitch has not turned into a cesspool, I think it kinda always was lol. Influencers have always been a big problem for social media, kids are wasting their entire time with them and even adults, especially in crypto, paying way too much attention to them, paying them money and fooling others into thinking they can also become rich by "influencing".

It's not about gambling per se, it's about this mentality of distracting people and making poor choices for role models.

In that case, you must think that Twitter and Instagram are hell on earth because those social media are all about influencing. I have seen some cases in Instagram about people who basically fake being rich or photoshop themselves beyond recognition for the sake of getting followers and clout; Twitter is also the home of all kind of sick people. You probably you have also listened to some cases yourself.

At least, on Twitch one can get entertainment and have fun watching some actually authentic and humble streamers and not only throwing money at girls streaming themselves in a jacuzzi.

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Twitch has not turned into a cesspool, I think it kinda always was lol. Influencers have always been a big problem for social media, kids are wasting their entire time with them and even adults, especially in crypto, paying way too much attention to them, paying them money and fooling others into thinking they can also become rich by "influencing".

It's not about gambling per se, it's about this mentality of distracting people and making poor choices for role models.

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This should have happened a while ago. Many influencers had already started streaming gambling content on Twitch long time ago.
It was a matter of time before gambling streams got banned on this platform and now that it has happened many people will be saved from these influencers.
So far only a few games in a few gambling platforms are banned but as time goes we might see more games and more sites being added to the list.

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Quote from: OgNasty on September 24, 2022, 09:59:31 PM

I didn’t realize that twitch gambling was such a problem that it needed them to take action. My understanding was that a lot of people got caught in a scam and that’s why this is happening, but I probably haven’t looked into this enough. It does mean that gambling sites will be looking for new ways to advertise as social media sites seem to be cracking down.

This is good news for BTT - the fewer external platforms for advertising crypto gambling, the more signature campaigns will be here Grin

But in general, this approach remains incomprehensible to me. What will Twitch do when some other streamer runs into debt and spends all the money on CS skins? Ban CS?

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Quote from: xSkylarx on September 25, 2022, 04:11:32 AM

Quote from: edgycorner on September 19, 2022, 06:38:40 PM

Do you think it's a responsible content creation & moderation on a platform which is used by teens, kids, and young adults?

For me, gambling contents should really not be permitted to stream on any platform. It encourages all ages of people to gamble and try their luck when they see their idols winning some huge amount. There are also some streamers who just takes advantage by promoting their affiliate link so they can earn some commission.

Quote from: edgycorner on September 19, 2022, 06:38:40 PM

Will this be the straw that will finally break the Camel's back and will force Twitch to ban gambling streams?

They did not totally ban gambling streams. Only some games like slots, roulette, and dice games are prohibited. Poker, sports betting, and fantasy sports are still allowed to stream on their platform.

Interesting. So to Twitch, there is a difference between gambling games like slots, roulette, and dice compare to gambling activities like poker and sports betting? Heck, lootbox is considered as gambling in some countries but I bet there are plenty of streamers who did the lootbox stream. esport like CSGO, Dota2 betting on live there right now, on the casting channel and no one bat an eye.

Very inconsistent treatment from Twitch. Like they did that on a whim and tho I said I don't like gambling advertising near kids, this is very unfair treatment of gambling games.

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Quote from: edgycorner on September 19, 2022, 06:38:40 PM

Do you think it's a responsible content creation & moderation on a platform which is used by teens, kids, and young adults?

For me, gambling contents should really not be permitted to stream on any platform. It encourages all ages of people to gamble and try their luck when they see their idols winning some huge amount. There are also some streamers who just takes advantage by promoting their affiliate link so they can earn some commission.

Quote from: edgycorner on September 19, 2022, 06:38:40 PM

Will this be the straw that will finally break the Camel's back and will force Twitch to ban gambling streams?

They did not totally ban gambling streams. Only some games like slots, roulette, and dice games are prohibited. Poker, sports betting, and fantasy sports are still allowed to stream on their platform.

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I didn’t realize that twitch gambling was such a problem that it needed them to take action. My understanding was that a lot of people got caught in a scam and that’s why this is happening, but I probably haven’t looked into this enough. It does mean that gambling sites will be looking for new ways to advertise as social media sites seem to be cracking down.

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Quote from: PX-Z on September 24, 2022, 07:53:20 PM

Yeah, i just recently read a mews regarding the banning of gambling streams in twitch. This is bad news to all streamers who use twitch as their platform although not that huge to affect gambling community.
But since it still next month, creating another account to other alternative platform and start building its influence as streamers.

The way this panned out is honestly sad. Sliker just showed how problematic gambling can be, and the fact that he messaged lots of his followers and some streamers for money in order to continue his gambling content is just the last straw that Twitch needs to see before they call the decision. I mean, if this didn't happen, we still probably would see gambling streamers but oh well, Twitch is involved and they have to do what they need to do.

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Yeah, i just recently read a mews regarding the banning of gambling streams in twitch. This is bad news to all streamers who use twitch as their platform although not that huge to affect gambling community.
But since it still next month, creating another account to other alternative platform and start building its influence as streamers.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on September 21, 2022, 11:39:10 AM

Most likely this change in the TOS and policy was caused by the backlash twitch got from the public after the twitch employees/staff were caught receiving "bribes" from gambling streamers. That could've snowballed out of control for the company and it would've been a really nasty situation for them so they acted quickly and made the appropiate changes. Props to them for that

Interesting, I don't think I've ever heard of it (not that I've heard much of twitch in the first place tbf). It's also odd since, well, why were the streamers hit instead of the staff? That's kind of more of an internal issue after all imo.

Quote from: uneng on September 24, 2022, 07:23:18 PM

The platform could add a warning message on gambling lives and channels without completely banning it. There is no reason to ban gambling content just because there are kids accessing the website, otherwise youtube and every social medias would have to remove this content as well. Moreover, to educate people regards the dangers of gambling you can't completely remove gambling content from the internet. They must understand gambling exists, it's part of daily life, many people around them can be gamblers and their only option is to deal with this situation in a way they don't prejudice themselves.

Honestly, one idea I've always had for people to know that it's a gambling stream (and be irritating as well) is just to put it in a big red banner in the front saying "GAMBLING STREAM, WARNING!" kind of like those kinds of obnoxious adds. Directly warns people and also irritates usual gamblers to the point of leaving. Damages the streamer yes, but I think that's the cost for streaming gambling in the first place.

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Quote from: edgycorner on September 19, 2022, 06:38:40 PM

Twitch has turned into a cesspool of gambling addicts and gambling pushers. Do you think it's a responsible content creation & moderation on a platform which is used by teens, kids, and young adults?

The platform could add a warning message on gambling lives and channels without completely banning it. There is no reason to ban gambling content just because there are kids accessing the website, otherwise youtube and every social medias would have to remove this content as well. Moreover, to educate people regards the dangers of gambling you can't completely remove gambling content from the internet. They must understand gambling exists, it's part of daily life, many people around them can be gamblers and their only option is to deal with this situation in a way they don't prejudice themselves.

If you pretend gambling doesn't exist by removing it from platforms like Twitch, people will have an illusion they are safe from its risks, while the reality is that they will not be able to deal with a gambling situation when they face it for real.

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Quote from: edgycorner on September 19, 2022, 06:38:40 PM

Silker is a Twitch streamer and would use his influence & position to ask for money from his viewers, other streamers, friends, etcetra. Then he would gamble away all of this borrowed money on sports betting. Mostly tennis matches lol

I don't know the guy, if its a donation and he explained that he wants to use it to explore casinos and their consent from his followers is acceptable but if he is lying and he ask for money directly then its abuse, it's ok to ask for support by posting your receiving address but not going directly or specifically to people by messaging them its abuse.

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Twitch has turned into a cesspool of gambling addicts and gambling pushers. Do you think it's a responsible content creation & moderation on a platform which is used by teens, kids, and young adults?

Will this be the straw that will finally break the Camel's back and will force Twitch to ban gambling streams?
I hope it does.

Update: Twitch has placed a ban on off shore casinos.
https://i.imgur.com/jTqZTAq.png

They should just ban the guy there are good streamers too who just want to share their experiences so people will have ideas about what it's like playing on those casinos, they just need to take out bad actors and retain good actors and monitor these streamers.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 24, 2022, 04:50:40 PM

Quote from: Findingnemo on September 24, 2022, 01:31:17 PM

Quote from: edgycorner on September 19, 2022, 06:38:40 PM

Update: Twitch has placed a ban on off shore casinos.
https://i.imgur.com/jTqZTAq.png

Still they are allowing the sport betting even poker if I am not wrong and that is what mostly gambled and steamed ones then what is the actual reason of the ban?

So its just fornthe sake of showing the platform is being responsible but without actually not really disturbing anything?!... Huh

Oh well, maybe they just want to show everyone that they are really doing something as far as streaming gambling in their platform. Nevertheless, they know that they are going to lose big revenues if they allowed it to happen. So probably there could be loopholes that can be exploited based on their bans and so in months maybe they will be back to normal when everyone forgets about the issue. Again, it's all about the business, because it they continue with the blanket ban, streamers will break away and look for other platforms to continue.

If ever they would really make out some exemptions when they have totally announce for that ban then people would turn out or having those impressions that they cant really be trusted basing up on the behavior that they have done.I wont really be that surprised if this ban would be ineffective for some time or they would revert it back.For now the issue is still hot which it would really be that normal that they would really
be needing on at least showing off some action in regarding to this incident because if they wont then it would really be affecting heavily their company which would really be a bad thing to create some bad
image which would really something that they dont really like or want to happen.So actions are just typical ones for a company to do so.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on September 24, 2022, 01:31:17 PM

Quote from: edgycorner on September 19, 2022, 06:38:40 PM

Update: Twitch has placed a ban on off shore casinos.
https://i.imgur.com/jTqZTAq.png

Still they are allowing the sport betting even poker if I am not wrong and that is what mostly gambled and steamed ones then what is the actual reason of the ban?

So its just fornthe sake of showing the platform is being responsible but without actually not really disturbing anything?!... Huh

Oh well, maybe they just want to show everyone that they are really doing something as far as streaming gambling in their platform. Nevertheless, they know that they are going to lose big revenues if they allowed it to happen. So probably there could be loopholes that can be exploited based on their bans and so in months maybe they will be back to normal when everyone forgets about the issue. Again, it's all about the business, because it they continue with the blanket ban, streamers will break away and look for other platforms to continue.

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Quote from: Yogee on September 23, 2022, 06:58:10 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on September 23, 2022, 01:47:39 PM

Hmm... still don't get it. Can you explain to me again? But without simply repeating what you said the very first time? Did you see what I wrote? - I want to watch a stream with adult content (18+) about how a streamer plays in a "dangerous" casino. What is the protection of my rights if I am deprived of the opportunity to watch such a stream?

Errrrr protection is not really on the watching but on the potential consumption of whatever product these streamers are trying to sell to you. Twitch is trying to give viewers more power to go after them and their casino sponsors if they mislead you through their fraudulent claims and practices.

Twitch probably thinks those licensed offshore offers less protection to consumers so they plan to ban them outright.

Yes Twitch limit viewers choices with this move in an attempt to "save" them from not playing in casinos that probably offers less protection to consumers or players.

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And I do not see, but I see a ban that does not suit me completely. I'm trying to understand why it suits you.

It doesn't. It's one of the casinos that I think is reputable despite it being licensed outside of US but that's not what Twitch thinks.

Ok, there is a way to explain Twitch's motivation. But I do not see any reason for such totalitarian motivations to be tolerated in this forum. It's a pity that few people think about it. Does Twitch think that a licensed casino will be more reliable than a reputable casino with a provewable fair system? Ok, but why impose (by banning) your backward point of view on all users of your platform? I hope this will lead to the fact that crypto casinos (and other services) will gradually create the rest of the infrastructure (including streaming platforms) with less censorship and arbitrariness.

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