Twitch gambling problem and Sliker issue - page 4.

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Quote from: aioc on September 21, 2022, 11:04:59 AM

Quote from: edgycorner on September 19, 2022, 06:38:40 PM

Update: Twitch has placed a ban on off shore casinos.
https://i.imgur.com/jTqZTAq.png

That's fast Twitch may have received a lot of bad reports about streamers abusing their followers, I don't see anything wrong on doing stream on sports betting and casinos, you're informing, enlightening people and educating people on the gambling feature of one casino, anyway there are still a lot of streaming platform that these streamers can perform their streaming but they should not abuse their followers, like what Sliker did.

That was indeed fast which it is really normal on having that kind of action whenever the platform or company did received lots of reports in regarding on what Sliker did but they do only limit out into those offshore

and still alow into those platforms who do have US licensed but actually this was just a right actions that they had made but to consider out on how many been affected then there's nothing we can do about it.
Twitch isnt only the streaming platform that we know that there are several ones which those streamers or influencers would just definitely be transferring if ever they cant already
do such stream or genre on twitch.

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Quote from: edgycorner on September 21, 2022, 01:51:40 AM

Update: Twitch has placed a ban on offshore casinos. It's a win in my book. At least we won't see the same amount of shills turning kids into gambling addicts on twitch

https://i.imgur.com/jTqZTAq.png

I have been saying this for months and it finally happened!!

I am really happy today, gonna order some vanilla ice cream lol

I don't know if I should be happy about it. Has gambling from trusted casinos become less dangerous? I strongly doubt it. Rather, Twitch, under public pressure, was forced to imitate some kind of activity, and they chose this path. Next time they will choose another criterion such as the use of cryptocurrencies and ban the casinos that use them.

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Gambling is something you are legally could do after you turn 18, why would it be something that could be viewed by thousands of kids on twitch? I support the idea that it is not something that should be streamed, I mean this sliker dude himself is the proof that it would be a horrible way to continue your life if you are an irresponsible person.

At the end of the day, there would be a lot of people "if I only win once" type of thinking and thousands of people who watch gambling on twitch will see people win and assume they could too and end up losing a lot of money. This is why I support that twitch should ban gambling and remove anyone who continues to do it.

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I'm not a twitch user, so I don't have much information regarding the streamers on this platform. especially regarding every rule that Twitch enforces on its platform, but if I refer to the case of the "Silker" streamer that the OP said.

Basically Twitch won't respond right away, especially if it doesn't have anything to do with the breach as a requirement to suspend the troubled streamer. however, this case seems to have been known by the parties concerned. especially in this case, they will always maintain a reputation as one of the best game streaming platforms.

I think they will monitor the progress. and if there are more similar cases popping up in the future, I'm sure Twitch will make policy updates to tighten the rules and prevent similar things from happening in the future. otherwise, eventually people will no longer have faith in Twitch as the leading platform.

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Quote from: Wexnident on September 20, 2022, 07:57:20 PM

So I just found out that twitch has updated their gambling-related policies today, which seems like an answer to the Sliker issue since it seems like it blew up.
https://twitter.com/twitch/status/1572347129192132611?s=46&t=iEgymbuwfEHY6LTs9dTS6g
https://i.imgur.com/zC1a961.png

It's not the first time that a streamer scammed their subs and friends, hell, there are tons of cases that got more than 10x the attention that the Silker's case got and Twitch didn't do anything

Most likely this change in the TOS and policy was caused by the backlash twitch got from the public after the twitch employees/staff were caught receiving "bribes" from gambling streamers. That could've snowballed out of control for the company and it would've been a really nasty situation for them so they acted quickly and made the appropiate changes. Props to them for that

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Quote from: edgycorner on September 19, 2022, 06:38:40 PM

Update: Twitch has placed a ban on off shore casinos.
https://i.imgur.com/jTqZTAq.png

That's fast Twitch may have received a lot of bad reports about streamers abusing their followers, I don't see anything wrong on doing stream on sports betting and casinos, you're informing, enlightening people and educating people on the gambling feature of one casino, anyway there are still a lot of streaming platform that these streamers can perform their streaming but they should not abuse their followers, like what Sliker did.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 21, 2022, 06:48:22 AM

Quote from: edgycorner on September 21, 2022, 01:51:40 AM

Update: Twitch has placed a ban on offshore casinos. It's a win in my book. At least we won't see the same amount of shills turning kids into gambling addicts on twitch

https://i.imgur.com/jTqZTAq.png

I have been saying this for months and it finally happened!!

I am really happy today, gonna order some vanilla ice cream lol

So only sports betting, fantasy sports, and poker will be allowed to show up on Twitch, while all sites that do not allow to promote on Twitch. But I am sure those sites will have other ways to promote their sites on the other sites.

But yes, it will help kids from watching gambling content and hopefully, this can prevent someone from becoming addicted to gambling. Hopefully, it will not reduce the income for Twitch a lot since gambling contributes a big income for them.

Several gambling websites will be banned by Twitch as part of its updated gambling policy. Slots, roulette, and dice are no longer allowed to be streamed from unlicensed gambling sites. An ongoing gambling controversy prompted the announcement of the change. Though the gambling streams and the skimpy streamers make them far too much money.

The act of gambling itself is not harmful, but once it becomes excessive, it becomes insane. Is gambling something I agree with? I don't. However, that is how they make their money, so let it be.

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Quote from: edgycorner on September 19, 2022, 06:38:40 PM

Silker is a Twitch streamer and would use his influence & position to ask for money from his viewers, other streamers, friends, etcetra. Then he would gamble away all of this borrowed money on sports betting. Mostly tennis matches lol

Here's a tweet by Jake Lucky on this https://twitter.com/JakeSucky/status/1571309473402355712

Twitch has turned into a cesspool of gambling addicts and gambling pushers. Do you think it's a responsible content creation & moderation on a platform which is used by teens, kids, and young adults?

Will this be the straw that will finally break the Camel's back and will force Twitch to ban gambling streams?
I hope it does.

Update: Twitch has placed a ban on off shore casinos.
https://i.imgur.com/jTqZTAq.png

I always see to it that my kids won't access this website. It's not for kids at all, most streamers are gamers and gamblers and most are an adult types of games. I'd rather subscribe them on streamers in youtube with contents that don't curse, or adults that makes kids contents. i.e. Blippi Grin

About what they do making a pool of donated funds to be gambled, it's all up to who will send them the money.
If you think it's a waste then don't. It's not like they are forcing you to send the money. In fact, they are almost begging for funds to come in.
It's also a battle of popularity, if you are not known at all, you might end up not receiving even a penny.

Quote from: edgycorner on September 21, 2022, 01:51:40 AM

Update: Twitch has placed a ban on offshore casinos. It's a win in my book. At least we won't see the same amount of shills turning kids into gambling addicts on twitch

Cool!

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Quote from: edgycorner on September 21, 2022, 01:51:40 AM

Update: Twitch has placed a ban on offshore casinos. It's a win in my book. At least we won't see the same amount of shills turning kids into gambling addicts on twitch

https://i.imgur.com/jTqZTAq.png

I have been saying this for months and it finally happened!!

I am really happy today, gonna order some vanilla ice cream lol

So only sports betting, fantasy sports, and poker will be allowed to show up on Twitch, while all sites that do not allow to promote on Twitch. But I am sure those sites will have other ways to promote their sites on the other sites.

But yes, it will help kids from watching gambling content and hopefully, this can prevent someone from becoming addicted to gambling. Hopefully, it will not reduce the income for Twitch a lot since gambling contributes a big income for them.

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Update: Twitch has placed a ban on offshore casinos. It's a win in my book. At least we won't see the same amount of shills turning kids into gambling addicts on twitch

https://i.imgur.com/jTqZTAq.png

I have been saying this for months and it finally happened!!

I am really happy today, gonna order some vanilla ice cream lol

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I first watched about this from Turkish streamer called Jahrein, as he mostly mentioned what was going on. I think I feel like total ban on gambling ads or gambling sponsored streams were exeggarated move from Twitch side. I feel like mainly corrupt Twitch staff abused a guy and got some Bitcoin in returns. Twitch could just ask streamer to stop sending Bitcoin and terminate contracts of corrupt stuff they have. Its weird obviously.
Source for this: https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/twitch-staff-slammed-for-taking-80000-trainwreck-payment-live-on-stream-1936895/

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Quote from: famososMuertos on September 20, 2022, 09:45:10 PM

The issue does not lie in censoring the influencer or the social network, it is necessary to parameterize what content can be seen without warnings.

Any form of alert is useful, since censorship is not the way to go since that only serves to create other alternatives, which exist and are not as popular as Twitch but are worse.

It is a question of the will of the platform to create this type of alerts in the same way as they do to block audio and video due to copyright or advertising embedding.

It is possible not unless the site would pay the platform so they could run their stream freely without being blocked. I think it will be more effective if we will avoid such streams like this or as much as possible try not to fall into their trap. Gambling addiction is still our personal choice and the decision still depends on us.

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I saw the announcement from Twitch.tv on Twitter started to circulate and didn't realize that an Amazon subsidiary would single out websites in their blanket gambling ban from platforms outside of the U.S. in their official announcement. But hey, free advertising. Seems unfairly targeted, but I digress.

This character "Sliker" seems to be a big part of why this discussion is even happening. I'm for adults having the liberty of what type of entertainment they choose to consume, and if a disclaimer on gambling related live streamers might waive liability from children watching the shows, then put a disclaimer on the channel. Because one live streamer decides to swindle money from viewers, everyone else has to suffer?

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Twitch has taken some measures to limit what kind of gambling can be streamed on their platform. I don't think they could outright ban gambling in it's entirety. A lot of free to play video games contain gambling elements with loot boxes and gacha mechanics. These types of games are very popular on Twitch and so are other types of streams which can be considered morally questionable. The banning of certain content will only serve to calm down some of the outrage but it won't have any real effect on gambling addiction.

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The issue does not lie in censoring the influencer or the social network, it is necessary to parameterize what content can be seen without warnings.

Any form of alert is useful, since censorship is not the way to go since that only serves to create other alternatives, which exist and are not as popular as Twitch but are worse.

It is a question of the will of the platform to create this type of alerts in the same way as they do to block audio and video due to copyright or advertising embedding.

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Quote from: Wexnident on September 20, 2022, 07:57:20 PM

So I just found out that twitch has updated their gambling-related policies today, which seems like an answer to the Sliker issue since it seems like it blew up.
https://twitter.com/twitch/status/1572347129192132611?s=46&t=iEgymbuwfEHY6LTs9dTS6g

Seems like instead of removing it all, they've limited it to a few ones that are the most famous ones. I'm all in for letting sports betting alone since that's kind of a sports-related watch along sometimes, but I doubt poker being left alone was good.

Basically like youtube. There have been lots of it on youtube as well. Probably the retain ones that are paying them up to 6 figures as stated above which Twitch receives from them. It's a business after all. Eventually, the victims will learn anyway, and some of them will comment more on the video to warn others.

What Twitch can do is tag streamers to add disclaimers to thier video description.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 20, 2022, 11:45:51 AM

I think it's because the supervision from Twitch isn't tight enough that we can still watch content that smells of gambling so that it will attract people who use Twitch to try gambling. Maybe they are responsible for all their users. The real responsibility remains with the users because they should use the content available on the internet properly and not become addicted to gambling. We see today that people can find many things on the internet and if we don't filter it, then there is a possibility that we will be dissolved into it. Maybe later, Twitch will try to filter content for 18 years and over so people under 18 can't access the content.

It'd be great if Twitch decides to ban gambling in the future but at the same time I think it's still not enough when gambling content still exists on other platforms like Youtube. I agree with you though instead of relying on the platform to make changes it's better if we take the initiative so that we don't fall into these gambling addiction since it can still escalate even if it's not within a casino. Afaik twitch already has a warning message for streams that aren't recommended for younger audiences but it's not enough to stop them from watching any stream.

Quote from: Wexnident on September 20, 2022, 07:57:20 PM

So I just found out that twitch has updated their gambling-related policies today, which seems like an answer to the Sliker issue since it seems like it blew up.

Even though it's not the entire gambling content that at least should stop most of the gambling streams on Twitch since the bigger streamers usually play slots and other casino games.

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So I just found out that twitch has updated their gambling-related policies today, which seems like an answer to the Sliker issue since it seems like it blew up.
https://twitter.com/twitch/status/1572347129192132611?s=46&t=iEgymbuwfEHY6LTs9dTS6g

Seems like instead of removing it all, they've limited it to a few ones that are the most famous ones. I'm all in for letting sports betting alone since that's kind of a sports-related watch along sometimes, but I doubt poker being left alone was good.

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Quote from: Quidat on September 20, 2022, 06:33:56 PM

Quote from: Yogee on September 20, 2022, 06:26:41 PM

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I'm really not in favor of banning. I would rather have them enforce a strict regulation on age limit.

How to enforce age limit?....

Yes I understand it's going to be tough to implement that. The whole point there is to find other ways to minimize involvement of the underage viewers than a straight out ban of content. I mean it would seem unfair to block them when gambling isn't even prohibited by law - only regulated.

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Quote from: Yogee on September 20, 2022, 06:26:41 PM

Quote from: edgycorner on September 19, 2022, 06:38:40 PM

....Will this be the straw that will finally break the Camel's back and will force Twitch to ban gambling streams?

I was wondering why people blame Twitch and so I had to check other video platforms as well. It turns out that Youtube also suspended accounts whose contents are mostly related to gambling "by mistake" but were later reinstated.

I'm really not in favor of banning. I would rather have them enforce a strict regulation on age limit.

How to enforce age limit? Considering that you could sign up on various or all of platforms with having those age checkboxes that you are above age 18+ or something like that and we know that
even youngsters would just simply check it out and proceed which make things even more harder to control on unless if there would be some sort of KYC verification?
It would really be a huge turn down if ever one of these platforms would be applying it in terms of registration or just simply using up on the site.
They do have set of rules and regulations and if they dont prohibit gambling then its their choice.

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