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Quote from: RealMalatesta on December 30, 2022, 12:05:20 PM

The idea is to just disrupt the market by getting what is not allowed in other places. I mean we had erotic cam websites for a long time and they streamed and that caused a little bit of difference. But, when onlyfans started people acted as if that's normal, which I think it's normal but to imagine onlyfans as normal yet some stream websites as not normal? That's weird.

So, I guess there will eventually one website where it is allowed to do ANYTHING as long as it's fine by law, like not "watch me steal money live!" type of deal of course lol, but anything legal will be allowed and it will grow to be much much bigger than twitch one day, I am 100% sure of it.

That's one big truth.

When those activities before we're like the hidden secrets of many users and then a huge company puts up the actual place where everyone who has that darkest secrets meet there and get paid for those fancy activities that they've been wanting to do and monetize.

The same will surely be made for gambling, this type of action from Twitch is just like complying to whatever issue has brought to them.

Viewers won't be gone and they know it but the sudden drop of their activity will push them to modify the ruling or they should look at their own platform every now and then, because many of them are still there, free.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 19, 2022, 05:30:13 PM

^^ It's too early to say that if they are not affected revenue wise. Their decision was just implement last month and so there are no reports as far as their revenue goes.

And with that, give them at least a year to see how it is, if there is a mass exodus of twitch gambling streamers to other platform and bringing with them their followers. And if this is true then definitely it will be felt by Twitch and we will see their official report maybe around April-May where usually companies released to the public their revenues.

Also, we need to know how many gamblers were streaming on twitch and what percentage did it contribute to the overall streaming at twitch.

I do not think it may bring a dent in the twitch revenue if the percentage of gambler streamers were not so high but it will definitely effect the streamers who were making regular income on this platform.

The sad part is that we do not have any decentralized platform where these streamers can continue streaming and keep on making the same amount of money.

We don't know the numbers on how many gamblers were streaming on twitch, but the mere fact that it made a lot noises in the last couple of months made me think that it is that big and it could be one of the top streamers generating revenue for the company in my opinion. And that is why they are somewhat force because of the heat they are taking and agree on all terms to 'stop' it at the meantime.

But as we have seen now, it looks like it is slowly getting back again, they are allowing streamers to their fold because simply the money that this streamers are putting to their business is huge in my opinion.

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on December 30, 2022, 12:05:20 PM

The idea is to just disrupt the market by getting what is not allowed in other places. I mean we had erotic cam websites for a long time and they streamed and that caused a little bit of difference. But, when onlyfans started people acted as if that's normal, which I think it's normal but to imagine onlyfans as normal yet some stream websites as not normal? That's weird.

So, I guess there will eventually one website where it is allowed to do ANYTHING as long as it's fine by law, like not "watch me steal money live!" type of deal of course lol, but anything legal will be allowed and it will grow to be much much bigger than twitch one day, I am 100% sure of it.

Onlyfans is normal because we even have erotic websites and pornsites but it may be prohibited to post links like this in general sites which can be access by underage people. Twitch is mainly built for streaming video games in the first place and not totally for gambling so they have the rights to ban gambling streams on their platform but there must be a streaming site out there that is specifically built for gambling streams.

One example would be dlive because stake casino has been using this streaming platform for a long time now. I am only not sure if there is such site like you said where everything is allowed. If there is then I think it will be too crowded or laggy to use. I am not wishing it for now when we still have some alternatives.

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Quote from: klidex on December 29, 2022, 11:05:19 AM

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Quote from: UserU on December 28, 2022, 12:14:00 AM

Just recently my casino livestreamed their raffle giveaway on Kick.com, which bears some resemblance to Twitch.

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Layout-wise, not a bad alternative I'd say. Might take some time for it to grow.

Thanks for the share up and its true that it isnt really that a bad alternative considering that there are really indeed some elements if we do talk about resemblance but not totally that obvious but for those who

get used to Twitch then you could totally notice it out directly. I dont know about Dlive is really getting some significant numbers after the ban?
There are even people said that there are still streams about gambling after such decision or i had just missed out something?

It is very difficult to prohibit gambling activities. Moreover, the developers and owners of the casino business are people who have a lot of money.
So it was very easy for him to find a way to keep running his business, even if he had to fight against the government.
The number of greedy government officials can also be taken advantage of by continuing to run a gambling by giving some money to these elements to shut up and help the gambling activities.
So do not be surprised if there is still a flow of gambling after the ban was imposed.

You do actually have a point but if it turns out that Twitch is still allowing these gambling streams despite of the ban then it would really be totally be raising up some questioning on whats been happening? Therefore it
would really be creating some issue which would make out some bad impression towards the platform or those gambling streamers wouldnt really just care and would flock again to make streams knowing that majority
of streaming fellas would really be going back since they do know that the ban isnt really that fully in effect since there are people who could still able to make through.
When it comes to bribe and corruption then i wont really be surprised with that probability.

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Quote from: beerlover on December 29, 2022, 07:44:22 AM

I am entirely sure that it would be something that is more and more popular overtime. Twitch has done so many bad things over course of many months now, maybe even over a year. People realize that they are a monopoly, and they go there when they want to first start out, but when they grow big enough there are other places, such as youtube for example, and you could always be there.

Doesn't mean you will make the same money, but if you make a lot already then you could say no to excess amount and switch for bigger potential. Which one would you prefer? Making 250k a year on twitch forever, or making 150k on Kick.com with a chance to make 500k+ one day if you consistently stream?

The idea is to just disrupt the market by getting what is not allowed in other places. I mean we had erotic cam websites for a long time and they streamed and that caused a little bit of difference. But, when onlyfans started people acted as if that's normal, which I think it's normal but to imagine onlyfans as normal yet some stream websites as not normal? That's weird.

So, I guess there will eventually one website where it is allowed to do ANYTHING as long as it's fine by law, like not "watch me steal money live!" type of deal of course lol, but anything legal will be allowed and it will grow to be much much bigger than twitch one day, I am 100% sure of it.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on December 28, 2022, 04:53:51 PM

Quote from: UserU on December 28, 2022, 12:14:00 AM

Just recently my casino livestreamed their raffle giveaway on Kick.com, which bears some resemblance to Twitch.

~

Layout-wise, not a bad alternative I'd say. Might take some time for it to grow.

Thanks for the share up and its true that it isnt really that a bad alternative considering that there are really indeed some elements if we do talk about resemblance but not totally that obvious but for those who

get used to Twitch then you could totally notice it out directly. I dont know about Dlive is really getting some significant numbers after the ban?
There are even people said that there are still streams about gambling after such decision or i had just missed out something?

It is very difficult to prohibit gambling activities. Moreover, the developers and owners of the casino business are people who have a lot of money.
So it was very easy for him to find a way to keep running his business, even if he had to fight against the government.
The number of greedy government officials can also be taken advantage of by continuing to run a gambling by giving some money to these elements to shut up and help the gambling activities.
So do not be surprised if there is still a flow of gambling after the ban was imposed.

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Quote from: UserU on December 28, 2022, 12:14:00 AM

Just recently my casino livestreamed their raffle giveaway on Kick.com, which bears some resemblance to Twitch.

Layout-wise, not a bad alternative I'd say. Might take some time for it to grow.

It's equally nice getting to know gambling live streamers now have a better alternative to Twitch since after it's ban few months ago, because with the features I read "Kick" has, it seems more better compared to "Twitch", as It has a subscriber button where steamers get to receive 95% of subscription revenue, and it also has a tipping system whereby streamers will be able to withdraw funds on the same day:

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Quote from: UserU on December 28, 2022, 12:14:00 AM

Just recently my casino livestreamed their raffle giveaway on Kick.com, which bears some resemblance to Twitch.

Layout-wise, not a bad alternative I'd say. Might take some time for it to grow.

I am entirely sure that it would be something that is more and more popular overtime. Twitch has done so many bad things over course of many months now, maybe even over a year. People realize that they are a monopoly, and they go there when they want to first start out, but when they grow big enough there are other places, such as youtube for example, and you could always be there.

Doesn't mean you will make the same money, but if you make a lot already then you could say no to excess amount and switch for bigger potential. Which one would you prefer? Making 250k a year on twitch forever, or making 150k on Kick.com with a chance to make 500k+ one day if you consistently stream?

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Quote from: UserU on December 28, 2022, 12:14:00 AM

Just recently my casino livestreamed their raffle giveaway on Kick.com, which bears some resemblance to Twitch.

~

Layout-wise, not a bad alternative I'd say. Might take some time for it to grow.

Thanks for the share up and its true that it isnt really that a bad alternative considering that there are really indeed some elements if we do talk about resemblance but not totally that obvious but for those who

get used to Twitch then you could totally notice it out directly. I dont know about Dlive is really getting some significant numbers after the ban?
There are even people said that there are still streams about gambling after such decision or i had just missed out something?

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Just recently my casino livestreamed their raffle giveaway on Kick.com, which bears some resemblance to Twitch.

Layout-wise, not a bad alternative I'd say. Might take some time for it to grow.

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Quote from: Cling18 on December 23, 2022, 01:02:55 PM

Maybe Twitch has a basis to follow before banning a gambling stream. We can't blame those streamers who are still trying to earn through gambling streaming on the said platform because it's still an opportunity to earn. Maybe Twitch is observant yet they are still fair and not banning accounts without complete basis and evidence so things won't backfire them.

Some of the users have already pointed out. Twitch is a subsidiary of Amazon (acquisition was done in 2014) and therefore they need to follow the directives from their parent organization. I am not sure, but this maybe the reason why they are going for the ban now. In case Amazon allows an exception for Twitch then they can continue with the live gambling streams. I don't have much of an idea how much of Twitch's revenue comes from these live streams. In case it is less than 10%, then they are probably not going to care.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on December 23, 2022, 11:41:03 AM

Quote from: Plaguedeath on December 22, 2022, 10:19:07 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on December 12, 2022, 08:09:17 AM

If it's only about the affiliate links, then indeed you can just stop showing them and keep streaming. And maybe they did just that, because this guy is steaming slots right now

and not only him, I'm sure. So, after all, streaming gambling wasn't banned on twitch, as we can see. Or maybe I'm wrong and he's streaming against the twitch current rules?

Lol, having 200 active viewers isn't bad at all, I don't think there's no any single person didn't report his account since he's playing slots. I think Twitch's team isn't really professional about their rules, maybe it's really affect their site if they're ban the whole casino streamers? so it's depends on Twitch for ban or not ban those streamers, if they didn't ban it, then the streamers are just lucky, but if they got banned, they can't blame and make a complaint to Twitch.

Twitch will only make an action if their algorithm sees a not included in their whitelist with the possible keyword of gambling so they can immediately terminate those lives happens, else they don't have this kind of thing they will wait for the report of the people keep streaming, also most likely is they regulated with the videos only but the caption I guess they don't care regarding with this because some of them still keep making a promotion with their partnered gambling casinos.

Maybe Twitch has a basis to follow before banning a gambling stream. We can't blame those streamers who are still trying to earn through gambling streaming on the said platform because it's still an opportunity to earn. Maybe Twitch is observant yet they are still fair and not banning accounts without complete basis and evidence so things won't backfire them.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on December 22, 2022, 10:19:07 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on December 12, 2022, 08:09:17 AM

If it's only about the affiliate links, then indeed you can just stop showing them and keep streaming. And maybe they did just that, because this guy is steaming slots right now

and not only him, I'm sure. So, after all, streaming gambling wasn't banned on twitch, as we can see. Or maybe I'm wrong and he's streaming against the twitch current rules?

Lol, having 200 active viewers isn't bad at all, I don't think there's no any single person didn't report his account since he's playing slots. I think Twitch's team isn't really professional about their rules, maybe it's really affect their site if they're ban the whole casino streamers? so it's depends on Twitch for ban or not ban those streamers, if they didn't ban it, then the streamers are just lucky, but if they got banned, they can't blame and make a complaint to Twitch.

Twitch will only make an action if their algorithm sees a not included to their whitelist with the possible keyword of gambling so they can immediately terminate those lives happens, else they don't have this kind of thing they will wait for the report of the people keep streaming, also most likely is they regulated with the videos only but the caption I guess they don't care regarding with this because some of them are still keep making a promotion with their partnered gambling casinos.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on December 22, 2022, 10:19:07 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on December 12, 2022, 08:09:17 AM

If it's only about the affiliate links, then indeed you can just stop showing them and keep streaming. And maybe they did just that, because this guy is steaming slots right now

and not only him, I'm sure. So, after all, streaming gambling wasn't banned on twitch, as we can see. Or maybe I'm wrong and he's streaming against the twitch current rules?

Lol, having 200 active viewers isn't bad at all, I don't think there's no any single person didn't report his account since he's playing slots. I think Twitch's team isn't really professional about their rules, maybe it's really affect their site if they're ban the whole casino streamers? so it's depends on Twitch for ban or not ban those streamers, if they didn't ban it, then the streamers are just lucky, but if they got banned, they can't blame and make a complaint to Twitch.

It will definitely affect their site, especially in terms of incoming revenue because so far I think the gambling industry provides a large income for Twitch. And now that they ban gambling on their site it can really make their site lose the popularity they have built so far. Those streamers might not be coming back to Twitch again because of a bad experience but if Twitch wants to entice them with some conveniences, maybe they'll come back to Twitch.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on December 22, 2022, 10:19:07 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on December 12, 2022, 08:09:17 AM

If it's only about the affiliate links, then indeed you can just stop showing them and keep streaming. And maybe they did just that, because this guy is steaming slots right now

and not only him, I'm sure. So, after all, streaming gambling wasn't banned on twitch, as we can see. Or maybe I'm wrong and he's streaming against the twitch current rules?

Lol, having 200 active viewers isn't bad at all, I don't think there's no any single person didn't report his account since he's playing slots. I think Twitch's team isn't really professional about their rules, maybe it's really affect their site if they're ban the whole casino streamers? so it's depends on Twitch for ban or not ban those streamers, if they didn't ban it, then the streamers are just lucky, but if they got banned, they can't blame and make a complaint to Twitch.

Or maybe Twitch just show that they wanted to stop gambling in their platform because there were heat and under the microscope that time. And now since everything has settled down, and it seems the issue is quiet now, they are slowly allowing the players getting back at their platform to stream gambling again, so who knows.

Yeah, it could be 200 active viewers now, but soon it will balloon to 2000 and then 20000 and it's all over again.

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Quote from: Betwrong on December 12, 2022, 08:09:17 AM

If it's only about the affiliate links, then indeed you can just stop showing them and keep streaming. And maybe they did just that, because this guy is steaming slots right now

and not only him, I'm sure. So, after all, streaming gambling wasn't banned on twitch, as we can see. Or maybe I'm wrong and he's streaming against the twitch current rules?

Lol, having 200 active viewers isn't bad at all, I don't think there's no any single person didn't report his account since he's playing slots. I think Twitch's team isn't really professional about their rules, maybe it's really affect their site if they're ban the whole casino streamers? so it's depends on Twitch for ban or not ban those streamers, if they didn't ban it, then the streamers are just lucky, but if they got banned, they can't blame and make a complaint to Twitch.

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Quote from: traderethereum on November 17, 2022, 04:03:29 AM

It's fine that Twitch wants to protect its reputation because streamers know why, too.
Streamers will look for other places that can still receive their content so they can still invite their followers to move places too.
Followers will follow wherever the streamer moves because they like the content of that streamer

Yes, i totally agree with this very statement of yours, because in as much as there are many streamers, there are some who does it in a unique way with style that fans wont mind following him or her to any other platforms just to stream his or her content live. And I'm sure if Twitch do not have a rethink about this, they may end up losing more people using their social media, as gambling casinos use to have the most sponsorship on twitch

Well without going too far, in the case of stake.com, with Drake he is an influencer who can go to any platform and I am sure that any of his followers will not mind going where he says, because they are people who already have many followers, fans and twitch is just a platform, it doesn't mean that ´for the platform all the fun and things should continue, it's a shame because I personally like that platform a lot, it's also comfortable and when the internet connection it was slow there was a special buffer function, that's something very comfortable, I'm not the only one who sometimes has a slow internet, so all those functions are what one misses.

Does DLive doesnt have this kind of feature? I havent used Dlive or other streaming platforms other than Twitch which it is really indeed that great but since they do make out such decision then there's nothing we can

do.To those who are solid fans of those streamers then if they do tend to switch up into other platforms then it would really be normal that they would really be following along.In speaking with those competitors of

Twitch which its really that impossible that they wont really be applying other platforms feature and would tend to hook up those previous users specially now
that Twitch had really ban or prohibit gambling streams.

Well, so far I think that it does, but since on some occasions they are still using Twitch, but despite all this, I don't think that Twitch has benefited from all this problem, I don't see that they have done anything relevant to get out winning or have taken advantage of the situation to get a good tajkada or a good amount of money, on the contrary, I think that Twtich made a very bad move, if they ban on the one hand, another platform like Dlive or another will find the way to do it better and without prohibitions, people like freedom and that is something that can be found on the web, now that there are so many ways to do it.

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Quote from: virasog on December 09, 2022, 05:39:28 PM

Quote from: seoincorporation on November 29, 2022, 09:57:37 AM

This was a tricky move because gambling streams weren't really banned at all as you can see in the next link:

https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Slots

People keep streaming slots, and the question here is, Then what does really change?

People can't promote casinos or use their affiliate links, and that was the main reason why the main gambling streamers decide to quit twitch.

So you are telling a completely different point of view of this ban. Initially, I thought that gambling streamers were banned from Twitch but as you said that Twitch only stops the usage of affiliate links and streamers themselves quit the streams because they don't find it useful to live stream gambling without mentioning their affiliate links.

Is this the real reason and it also means that for those streamers who do not want to go live on twitch, it's their personal decision and twitch never banned them?

Well, if affiliate links is the only concern here, the streamers can share their telegram handle and on telegram they may share their affiliate links ? I mean there are a lot of indirect ways to capture and direct the audience to the affiliate links so why quit streaming?

If it's only about the affiliate links, then indeed you can just stop showing them and keep streaming. And maybe they did just that, because this guy is steaming slots right now

and not only him, I'm sure. So, after all, streaming gambling wasn't banned on twitch, as we can see. Or maybe I'm wrong and he's streaming against the twitch current rules?

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Quote from: virasog on December 09, 2022, 05:39:28 PM

Quote from: seoincorporation on November 29, 2022, 09:57:37 AM

This was a tricky move because gambling streams weren't really banned at all as you can see in the next link:

https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Slots

People keep streaming slots, and the question here is, Then what does really change?

People can't promote casinos or use their affiliate links, and that was the main reason why the main gambling streamers decide to quit twitch.

So you are telling a completely different point of view of this ban. Initially, I thought that gambling streamers were banned from Twitch but as you said that Twitch only stops the usage of affiliate links and streamers themselves quit the streams because they don't find it useful to live stream gambling without mentioning their affiliate links.

Is this the real reason and it also means that for those streamers who do not want to go live on twitch, it's their personal decision and twitch never banned them?

Well, if affiliate links is the only concern here, the streamers can share their telegram handle and on telegram they may share their affiliate links ? I mean there are a lot of indirect ways to capture and direct the audience to the affiliate links so why quit streaming?

With the exception of those that rage quit Twitch after the ban I suppose that those that left due to the inability of using their referral links probably did so because they are not achieving the same conversion rate as they did in the past, after all you need a really driven person to click several links to reach your referral, now this does not mean they quit streaming and they are probably doing so in a different platform which allows them to do this, so even if the number of people watching them went down if their conversion rate is higher then they could be earning more money than what they could earn on Twitch.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on November 29, 2022, 09:57:37 AM

This was a tricky move because gambling streams weren't really banned at all as you can see in the next link:

https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Slots

People keep streaming slots, and the question here is, Then what does really change?

People can't promote casinos or use their affiliate links, and that was the main reason why the main gambling streamers decide to quit twitch.

So you are telling a completely different point of view of this ban. Initially, I thought that gambling streamers were banned from Twitch but as you said that Twitch only stops the usage of affiliate links and streamers themselves quit the streams because they don't find it useful to live stream gambling without mentioning their affiliate links.

Is this the real reason and it also means that for those streamers who do not want to go live on twitch, it's their personal decision and twitch never banned them?

Well, if affiliate links is the only concern here, the streamers can share their telegram handle and on telegram they may share their affiliate links ? I mean there are a lot of indirect ways to capture and direct the audience to the affiliate links so why quit streaming?

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