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September 02, 2011, 01:55:07 PM
Ya know what seems to me to be a bit on the 'tard side though?  Giving your CC info out to a lot of organizations.  SA not the least of them.
Yeah. God forbid you use your credit card for what it's intended for. Talk about the 'tard side...

Three times in the last year, my roommate and I have both found our ATM/debit cards locked out, and a few days later we get new ones in the mail, along with a letter basically saying that the cards were compromised, some hacker stole them from a merchant we shop at, and advising us to be careful about where we spend, and in particular most internet stores have very poor security.

My roommate and I do a shared budget and the way we shuffle things is kinda specific. First day of the month the full amount of the rent comes out of his bank account. All of the bills are paid in full out of mine as they come over the month, along with all the food.

The only two places my roommate's card had ever been used in two out of the three cases where the bank found his card was among a list of stolen numbers were...

The bank, and the largest chain of gas stations in the state.
sr. member
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September 02, 2011, 01:48:12 PM

Ya know what seems to me to be a bit on the 'tard side though?  Giving your CC info out to a lot of organizations.  SA not the least of them.


Yeah. God forbid you use your credit card for what it's intended for. Talk about the 'tard side...
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September 02, 2011, 12:12:46 AM
Major corporations have things like "PCI compliance"

at least one exchange seems to:

  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/tradehill-security-update-round-1-pci-compliance-business-verification-etc-24802

Maybe SA can dig at it a little to see if they are lying.  (Should be my job, but I'm lazy.)

As I recall the PCI compliance rules change very, very wildly by the type of organization and its size. At one of my former jobs we were PCI compliant, supposedly, but when there are only 3 employees a "self-audit" is considered acceptable and they state that, basically, that either the IT people can self-audit, or the owner of the company can.

Our owner walks into my office, and asks if we run a mail server. I say no. He sticks the "We are PCI compliant" text in a Word document and tells me to put that on the website.

He didn't even know what operating system our web server ran or what company we were buying our internet access from, and he declared us PCI compliant with one question.

I checked. At least at the time that was 100% acceptable for a company with only 3 employees.

So Tradehill could easily be PCI compliant. I just don't think the fact they are means much of anything at all. :/
legendary
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September 02, 2011, 12:08:42 AM
Major corporations have things like "PCI compliance"

at least one exchange seems to:

  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/tradehill-security-update-round-1-pci-compliance-business-verification-etc-24802

Maybe SA can dig at it a little to see if they are lying.  (Should be my job, but I'm lazy.)

and "hardware firewalls".

Highly important...to people who don't know much about firewalls that is.

How am I supposed to trust that mtgox or Tradehill won't have another break-in and just run with the money?

You're not.  If you cannot figure out how to mitigate the risk to your level of tolerance, I would advise you not to play.

Seriously, the operations are all pretty much 'two guys in an apartment'.

Bitcoin offers no incentive for businesses right now, and with the risk and hassle it is hardly 'free money'

If someone wanted to give me BTC or $$$, I would take either.  I could deal with either even without the convenience of the copy/paste operation reportedly available to bit-pay users.

Ya know what seems to me to be a bit on the 'tard side though?  Giving your CC info out to a lot of organizations.  SA not the least of them.
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I never hashed for this...
September 01, 2011, 11:49:13 PM
A business or merchant? Sure I would trust them. Another untrusted exchange? Hell no, given the acceptance of scams and history of exchange problems and scams as made apparent by these forums, it is easy to see that there are no 'trustworthy' exchanges, especially given the anonymous nature of many of them.

I'm not clear on why exchanges such as mtgox and tradehill are not considered reasonably trustworthy.
I had a small amount on deposit with mtgox during their major security issue - and from my perspective it was resolved pretty well.  Security breaches and information disclosures from major corporations happen all the time - and yet perhaps because of their sheer scale, their reputation doesn't seem to suffer as much as mtgox's has.

Mtgox were not only reasonably communicative about what was going on - but provided compensation in the form of temporary reduced fees + free yubikeys for those affected. 

My problem with mtgox at the moment is that they don't appear to be engineered for high volume trading.
It's apparent that during higher volume trading both mtgoxlive and the manual trading interface become unresponsive. 
I suspect that this is a lack of concurrency in the programming - and may even be contributing to the overall price instability. People can't get in to execute their desired trades at the times they most want to! 

I do however trust that they have a (belatedly) strong security focus, and a profitable business model as evidenced by their ability to take on the books of bitomat.pl and compensate their users.



Major corporations have things like "PCI compliance" and "hardware firewalls". How am I supposed to trust that mtgox or Tradehill won't have another break-in and just run with the money? Seriously, the operations are all pretty much 'two guys in an apartment'.

Bitcoin offers no incentive for businesses right now, and with the risk and hassle it is hardly 'free money'
legendary
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September 01, 2011, 11:40:43 PM
I'd join SA if they took Bitcoin. That's at least 3 people I've seen offer to join. $30 SA could make right now if they took Bitcoin. Though I am curious if they'd rook us for more lulz instead of seeing an opportunity to gain more users (and money). I can see a segment of the userbase preferring to point and laugh like Nelson (from the Simpsons). "HA HA!" That would be unfortunate because I found their site pretty fun and helpful during the time of my disagreement with Bitmole.
SA makes more off of IWC in a week than all the members here could put in.  Also, I don't think we're all that interested in recruiting off the 3rd most retarded forum on the internet.

Lest you get to full of yourselves, I would suggest that from what I've seen the bell curve has some not insignificant overlap.
legendary
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September 01, 2011, 10:51:25 PM
 Also, I don't think we're all that interested in recruiting off the 3rd most retarded forum on the internet.

wait...  creationists,bronies,troofers,tea partiers...  argh!?? How did we get to number 3?
oh - that's right, we've probably got them all   Shocked
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September 01, 2011, 10:45:51 PM
SA makes more off of IWC in a week than all the members here could put in.  Also, I don't think we're all that interested in recruiting off the 3rd most retarded forum on the internet.

OK, shucks. I guess I will continue to use the SA bandwidth for free, and just be satisfied I made it up to the 3rd most retarded site. If you have a list somewhere I'd like to work my way up to the 4th most retarded, and then on UP, UP UP, with the hope one day I'll be recruited to the Big Leagues.
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September 01, 2011, 10:41:34 PM
Also, I don't think we're all that interested in recruiting off the 3rd most retarded forum on the internet.

Hey, if bitrebel keeps up his threads, we'll be the #1 most retarded within days.
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September 01, 2011, 10:39:58 PM
I'd join SA if they took Bitcoin. That's at least 3 people I've seen offer to join. $30 SA could make right now if they took Bitcoin. Though I am curious if they'd rook us for more lulz instead of seeing an opportunity to gain more users (and money). I can see a segment of the userbase preferring to point and laugh like Nelson (from the Simpsons). "HA HA!" That would be unfortunate because I found their site pretty fun and helpful during the time of my disagreement with Bitmole.
SA makes more off of IWC in a week than all the members here could put in.  Also, I don't think we're all that interested in recruiting off the 3rd most retarded forum on the internet.
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September 01, 2011, 10:36:39 PM
But go ahead and throw away free money if you like.  I would have expect that the SA'ers who run the show, at least, would be smarter than that though.

I'd join SA if they took Bitcoin. That's at least 3 people I've seen offer to join. $30 SA could make right now if they took Bitcoin. Though I am curious if they'd rook us for more lulz instead of seeing an opportunity to gain more users (and money). I can see a segment of the userbase preferring to point and laugh like Nelson (from the Simpsons). "HA HA!" That would be unfortunate because I found their site pretty fun and helpful during the time of my disagreement with Bitmole.
legendary
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September 01, 2011, 09:32:40 PM
A business or merchant? Sure I would trust them. Another untrusted exchange? Hell no, given the acceptance of scams and history of exchange problems and scams as made apparent by these forums, it is easy to see that there are no 'trustworthy' exchanges, especially given the anonymous nature of many of them.

I'm not clear on why exchanges such as mtgox and tradehill are not considered reasonably trustworthy.
I had a small amount on deposit with mtgox during their major security issue - and from my perspective it was resolved pretty well.  Security breaches and information disclosures from major corporations happen all the time - and yet perhaps because of their sheer scale, their reputation doesn't seem to suffer as much as mtgox's has.

Mtgox were not only reasonably communicative about what was going on - but provided compensation in the form of temporary reduced fees + free yubikeys for those affected. 

My problem with mtgox at the moment is that they don't appear to be engineered for high volume trading.
It's apparent that during higher volume trading both mtgoxlive and the manual trading interface become unresponsive. 
I suspect that this is a lack of concurrency in the programming - and may even be contributing to the overall price instability. People can't get in to execute their desired trades at the times they most want to! 

I do however trust that they have a (belatedly) strong security focus, and a profitable business model as evidenced by their ability to take on the books of bitomat.pl and compensate their users.

legendary
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September 01, 2011, 09:04:28 PM

A business or merchant? Sure I would trust them. Another untrusted exchange? Hell no, given the acceptance of scams and history of exchange problems and scams as made apparent by these forums, it is easy to see that there are no 'trustworthy' exchanges, especially given the anonymous nature of many of them.

I see pretty little risk.  Get paid right away in $$$ with those bit-pay like things (as I understand it.)

Unless they do some charge-back thing, you'd lose at most a couple of $10 bills even if they were a scam.  It seems unlikely that they would screw you with chargebacks...or at least that they would get away with it if they were Bruce-ish caliber scammers.

But go ahead and throw away free money if you like.  I would have expect that the SA'ers who run the show, at least, would be smarter than that though.
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I never hashed for this...
September 01, 2011, 08:51:10 PM

I'd happily pay the somethingawful fee if I could use BTC.  In fact, I would happily donate to them as a token of my appreciation if I could do so in BTC.  I'm damn sure not going to give them a link to my PayPal or credit card info for free.

Hey SA Goons (and I mean that as a good thing...) check out that bitpay plugable payment app or whatever it is called would ya?


Before I saw this - I too mentioned I'd happily pay if they accepted in bitcoins.  I don't have a CC - and paypal is a complete pain in the arse for me.
Somehow I think they would get quite an influx of funding if they accepted bitcoin - but perhaps they wouldn't be so pleased with the type of people joining? Wink



What are they supposed to do with Bitcoins once they acquire them? Try to flip them for the USD needed to run the forums on the untrustworthy sites mtgox or TradeHill? How, in that sense, is accepting Bitcoin for fund a service that needs US dollars actually 'funding'?

Flipping them on an exchange is one option - but they don't have to 'acquire' them.  There are at least 2 merchant service providers which do immediate conversion.
Are you saying you wouldn't trust any new business in the bitcoin world? It's not like you're using them as a bank and holding large amounts of funds with them for an extended period.

Ideally - yes you'd acquire them and flip them on an exchange - but unless you also want to be a bitcoin speculator (which quite rightly most merchants wouldn't), then the price instability is currently a problem.

In the mean time - services such as btcinch and bit-pay make this unnecessary.

I have no problem with SA or other merchants deciding the infrastructure and various bitcoin businesses aren't yet proven enough for them to feel comfortable with - but I see this as an argument against 'bitcoin right now', not bitcoin itself - and this would similarly have been the case for things such as paypal in the beginning.



A business or merchant? Sure I would trust them. Another untrusted exchange? Hell no, given the acceptance of scams and history of exchange problems and scams as made apparent by these forums, it is easy to see that there are no 'trustworthy' exchanges, especially given the anonymous nature of many of them.
legendary
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September 01, 2011, 08:48:57 PM

I'd happily pay the somethingawful fee if I could use BTC.  In fact, I would happily donate to them as a token of my appreciation if I could do so in BTC.  I'm damn sure not going to give them a link to my PayPal or credit card info for free.

Hey SA Goons (and I mean that as a good thing...) check out that bitpay plugable payment app or whatever it is called would ya?


Before I saw this - I too mentioned I'd happily pay if they accepted in bitcoins.  I don't have a CC - and paypal is a complete pain in the arse for me.
Somehow I think they would get quite an influx of funding if they accepted bitcoin - but perhaps they wouldn't be so pleased with the type of people joining? Wink



What are they supposed to do with Bitcoins once they acquire them? Try to flip them for the USD needed to run the forums on the untrustworthy sites mtgox or TradeHill? How, in that sense, is accepting Bitcoin for fund a service that needs US dollars actually 'funding'?

Flipping them on an exchange is one option - but they don't have to 'acquire' them.  There are at least 2 merchant service providers which do immediate conversion.
Are you saying you wouldn't trust any new business in the bitcoin world? It's not like you're using them as a bank and holding large amounts of funds with them for an extended period.

Ideally - yes you'd acquire them and flip them on an exchange - but unless you also want to be a bitcoin speculator (which quite rightly most merchants wouldn't), then the price instability is currently a problem.

In the mean time - services such as btcinch and bit-pay make this unnecessary.

I have no problem with SA or other merchants deciding the infrastructure and various bitcoin businesses aren't yet proven enough for them to feel comfortable with - but I see this as an argument against 'bitcoin right now', not bitcoin itself - and this would similarly have been the case for things such as paypal in the beginning.

legendary
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September 01, 2011, 08:26:41 PM

I'd happily pay the somethingawful fee if I could use BTC.  In fact, I would happily donate to them as a token of my appreciation if I could do so in BTC.  I'm damn sure not going to give them a link to my PayPal or credit card info for free.

Hey SA Goons (and I mean that as a good thing...) check out that bitpay plugable payment app or whatever it is called would ya?


Before I saw this - I too mentioned I'd happily pay if they accepted in bitcoins.  I don't have a CC - and paypal is a complete pain in the arse for me.
Somehow I think they would get quite an influx of funding if they accepted bitcoin - but perhaps they wouldn't be so pleased with the type of people joining? Wink


I dunno...they seem like a fairly diverse group to me.  And if anyone could see the value in being able to pay for something without giving away a lot of semi-personal info, it would the the goons.
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I never hashed for this...
September 01, 2011, 08:24:49 PM

I'd happily pay the somethingawful fee if I could use BTC.  In fact, I would happily donate to them as a token of my appreciation if I could do so in BTC.  I'm damn sure not going to give them a link to my PayPal or credit card info for free.

Hey SA Goons (and I mean that as a good thing...) check out that bitpay plugable payment app or whatever it is called would ya?


Before I saw this - I too mentioned I'd happily pay if they accepted in bitcoins.  I don't have a CC - and paypal is a complete pain in the arse for me.
Somehow I think they would get quite an influx of funding if they accepted bitcoin - but perhaps they wouldn't be so pleased with the type of people joining? Wink



What are they supposed to do with Bitcoins once they acquire them? Try to flip them for the USD needed to run the forums on the untrustworthy sites mtgox or TradeHill? How, in that sense, is accepting Bitcoin for fund a service that needs US dollars actually 'funding'?
legendary
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September 01, 2011, 08:16:50 PM

I'd happily pay the somethingawful fee if I could use BTC.  In fact, I would happily donate to them as a token of my appreciation if I could do so in BTC.  I'm damn sure not going to give them a link to my PayPal or credit card info for free.

Hey SA Goons (and I mean that as a good thing...) check out that bitpay plugable payment app or whatever it is called would ya?


Before I saw this - I too mentioned I'd happily pay if they accepted in bitcoins.  I don't have a CC - and paypal is a complete pain in the arse for me.
Somehow I think they would get quite an influx of funding if they accepted bitcoin - but perhaps they wouldn't be so pleased with the type of people joining? Wink

sr. member
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September 01, 2011, 06:59:34 PM
Bruce, you posted the email addresses publically without any obfuscation.  They now have been scraped and will be spammed to death.

fair game, anytime you email anyone, always expect they will reveal it.


Common decency?

please understand the internet has not line to cross in the area of morality. "decency" is mostly non existent here on the internet.
legendary
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September 01, 2011, 06:36:02 PM

uhhh, no. If you all had brains you would be profusely thanking the SA folks for doing the due diligence this forum never did. Exposing scammers and removing their influence from the community is a good thing, not a bad thing. (Even if the SA folks think it's hilarious to call bitcoin itself a scam).

As far as my other point, you are right, there is no desire on their part to understand the difference between a pyramid scam - that involves deception, and a pyramid /game/ which involves transparency where everyone involved knows where they are on the list and the fact that the vast majority of players never get paid. Personnaly, I generally go to the casino if I want to gamble, but they are two very different things. But whatever, haters gonna hate - still grateful for their work around exposing Bruce and I hope they can help get to the bottom of the mybitcoin fiasco.

Those SA bastards seem to have cut me off.  Now they want me to sign on to see the thread updates.  I must have hit the refresh button to many times Sad  I guess I'll have to get back to my real work.

I'd happily pay the somethingawful fee if I could use BTC.  In fact, I would happily donate to them as a token of my appreciation if I could do so in BTC.  I'm damn sure not going to give them a link to my PayPal or credit card info for free.

Hey SA Goons (and I mean that as a good thing...) check out that bitpay plugable payment app or whatever it is called would ya?
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