Topic: Two interesting emails I received today... - page 7. (Read 16427 times)

Where do we draw the lines? Poor child molestors molesting people younger than 18 and being labeled a child molestor forever! A bloo bloo bloo

No one cares if he's gay, they care if he is/might be hurting children

So, if I get it right, it all makes little difference to you. If it makes so little difference, then the only reason you are so stubbornly sticking to Pattaya is to spite the people on these forums and/or to rub it in their face that they could not attend your meeting in NY?

Come on Bruce. We know it DOES make a difference to you. We know you have some hidden agenda to stick to Pattaya, and that agenda is actually not so hidden anymore. And you know what, I bet that if you had just said it out straight at the first questions you got, 90% of all people would have understood it. They would still disagree with the location, but at least they'd have understood.

"Why Pattaya? Because I think it is a very nice place, I have been there before and had some holiday trips and I would love to go there again."

I even bet that you could have added: "I had some great times there in the gay sex scene, so I will combine my conference there with some more of that". There's probably like 5% homophobes who would drop the understanding-rate to 85%, but at least it would have been honest.
No one believed your whole "Fancy hotel / financial center / well established conference location crap" from the first time you came up with it.

Also, most of the people here who are arguing that Pattaya is *bad* for bitcoins do not do it to annoy you, or anything like that. They do it because... they think Pattaya is bad for bitcoin. Calling them 13-year olds and whatever names you want to come up with is a very childish way of trying to get your way.

Oh really? Maybe the State Department and the United Nations InterAgency Project on Human Trafficking  are just being silly. They characterize the entire country as being a haven for underage tourism.

http://www.humantrafficking.org/countries/thailand


http://jurist.org/paperchase/2011/08/un-rights-expert-urges-thailand-to-combat-human-trafficking.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_Thailand

http://www.worldvision.org/content.nsf/learn/globalissues-stp

http://www.notforsalecampaign.org/about/slavery/

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/human-trafficking/index.html


You are either willfully ignorant or just plainly spouting bullshit.

OH - and here are some Pattaya specific ones:
http://preventhumantrafficking.org/pattaya/
http://news.change.org/stories/why-is-thailand-a-hub-for-child-sex-tourism
http://www.hhnthailand.org/en/projects/child-protection-and-development-center/the-problem/
http://untilthen.org/the-missing-street-children-of-pattaya-thailand/

Try again, Bruce. We can go all day with this, there's an entire archive at the UN we can go through and plenty of other organizations who will be glad to share their knowledge of this issue on Pattaya.

Finally, you remind me of this guy Bruce with your flat denial of Child Sex Slavery being an issue in Thailand and Pattaya specifically:

I'm quoting this here because it's a lie, and an easily disproved one. You can find Bruce's comment in its original context here. You'll notice three things. Firstly, while the display of quotes is somewhat broken, quotes are consistently terminated by a slightly wider vertical space than normal - which means the quote is actually a single paragraph and "a three pronged attack" is Bruce's words. Secondly, you can see the post he's quoting above his and confirm it is a single paragraph. Thirdly, in that page and all three preceding pages the only mention of a three-pronged attack I can find is Bruce's.

Edit: To be entirely clear, the "virgins and newbies" paragraph was a quote and not written by Bruce, but in my opinion that was already fairly obvious even from the formatting-stripped version originally posted on here.

I want to point out that Nanaimagold and his multinicks did EXACTLY the same they are doing here with Bruce Wagner, but with Praxum. They cite forum posts attributing words that are not theirs to the people they are trying to slander, and when the deception is pointed out they change subject, trying to get people to ignore the fact that they are presenting false proof and trying to keep the pressure in the person they are attacking.

You can check how he did the same here with Praxum: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/tradehill-we-now-support-deposits-and-withdrawals-of-funds-via-paxum-32604 (fun starts at page 3). At the end there are always lots of accusations and noise, but absolutely no proof. Same "modus operandis".

Well, that second email from TheMadhatter only shows that MyBitcoin was a scam from the very beginning.

Notice how he uses the words "we" and after say that "people he knows are in harms way" and he's even afraid that the real Police shows at his doorstep.

I would say that the #bitcoin-police made a fantastic job and TheMadHatter is really Tom Williams or knows who he is. NanaimoGold started this to protect his beloved son...

They are attacking Bruce because he was just the more vocal about the MyBitcoin scam and in the hopes that everybody will focus on the Bruce Wagner pedo-soap-opera and forget about MyBitcoin.

Good for Bruce that he accepts his sexuality and who he is.

I also find it funny that the goons from SA pay to register in a forum, post there(and here) everyday and can't recognize a quote in a forum post when they see it. I guess they are too busy trolling other forums that are free to register. LOL

Disclaimer: I don't like Bruce Wagner, in fact I find him terribly annoying.

Both of these statements are lies.... or terribly misinformed....  as I have pointed out before.

The brand new world-class Bangkok International Airport is CLOSER to Pattaya (the resort beach community), than it is to Bangkok itself (the dirty urban city).

Also, there is no city in Thailand known for underage tourism.   Thailand has very strict laws against it... which are strictly enforced with extremely harsh punishments.

Thailand is also notoriously strict on illegal drugs.     The smallest infraction can get you the death penalty there.

What I will do is this:   

I will take a survey of the ACTUAL REAL adults who attended this past Conference.... ( not the endless personas here belonging to 13-year-old bitcoin and libertarian haters )  and I will ask them if they would prefer Pattaya, or some other destination.   It makes little difference to me.

He also noted having 'fun with the boys' there, wink wink nudge nudge, and wrote the forementioned blog post so he KNOWS it isn't enforced

We are going round in circles.

You still defend Pattaya steadfastly and you still do not address the concerns of the community that you were thinking with your dick (with of-age prostitutes in Pataya) rather than with the best interests of the community at all. You see no reason why Bitcoin might not need to be connected with this place, that is more internationally known for their illicit sex trade than for their Four Seasons or Ritz Carleton. This is just beyond rational thought that you see no problem with this and continue promoting this as an "official" Bitcoin event.

You are also aware that prostitution, like the child sex trade, is illegal in Pattaya. There goes your argument that the child sex trade is strictly enforced by the authorities, when it's clear they don't even enforce their prostitution laws.

Why not choose a city with an airport? Why not some other major financial hub in Thailand? Why a city specifically known for underage sex tourism?

I'd rather have bitcoin associated with christian fundamentalists, than have it mentioned in the same breath with a region that is well-known to be a tourist destination for pedophiles and others who pay strangers for sexual favors.

What Bruce Wagner does in his spare time is his business, lets keep it that way.

There are 1 billion Muslims in the world and 2 billion Christians. That's 50% of the earth's population. Alienating those groups in bitcoin PR, is exceedingly foolish, if the goal is to spread bitcoin to as many people as possible. Unless the goal is to limit bitcoin to a fringe curiosity.



 

By the way, for a little more clarification...

In that excerpt from 2006, in that forum... which is being attributed to me...    The FACT is....   My post was the one at the top.     The message I was REPLYING TO was the one at the bottom...

In other words, my words were at the top --- before the word "QUOTE(tdperhs..." etc.

The words after  "QUOTE(tdperhs..."   ....is the other guy's post.....   the post to which I was replying.

Those words about a "virgins and newbies" and "a three pronged attack"....   were NOT my words.    

You can see clearly that I was quoting that other guy.

In my reply, I was defending the guys who work there in that business....  Saying that it's great that people tip them well, but the problem is one of economics.   They are so poor, they cannot refuse even the scumbags who mistreat them.... and then underpay them.    It's a very sad thing.    THAT is what I was saying.

If you re-read it in that light, it will make sense to you.

I have never been to any place called "Atom Bomb" and none of those words are in character for me.

Also, Pattaya is very well know for its Four Seasons and Ritz Carleton and Marriott Resort Hotels on the beaches.... and which are used for conventions, as well as it's Pattaya Exhibition and Convention Hall.     Just look at some of these pictures:   http://www.peachthailand.com/exhibition-convention/

Millions of people, and families, go there from all over the world for conventions and expos every year.   But if you don't like Pattaya or Thailand, please just don't go.     It's just that simple.

By the way, in case anyone is curious....   PUNLman stands for what I believe in.   PUNL.    Pure Unconditional Non-judgmental Love.   .....which is what I am all about.   .....and which always wins in the end.   

When all the dust settles, whoever dose the research and writes a novel based upon these
events has the prospective of making a lot of BTC.

We have lots of accusations with no evidence.  To me that is disgusting and says lots for the characters of those making the accusations.

I personally believe people should be treated an innocent until proven guilty.   From what is presented, we don’t even have the beginnings of proof.

With children? Because that is how it sounds. Sorry if I don't think children are in the right mind to make those kinds of decisions

edit: I really couldn't give less of a shit about his history as a rentboy, that's his business. If he is doing other things that may be harming defenseless minors, that's different though

I agree with you and I appreciate your input.

Beyond all that I mentioned, I think it's revealing that Bruce would act the way he acted in response to the community reasonably questioning Pattaya as a choice for a conference. He wouldn't address it, considered everyone to be 13 year old trolls, got mad and left the forums, started his own and then shut it down, told everyone he wasn't coming back to the boards, proposed using e-mail groups to communicate, and then came back to the forum yet still answers nothing about how this all got started.

I'm voting with my feet. The Prague Conference looks great and the guys behind it are true professionals. I may be giving that one a shot just because of how above board it's being handled.

Am I the only one to find these emails more incriminating than exonarating?
I don't give a shit about all this drama starring perverts versus bullies.
But wtf does this have to do with MyBitcoin?

This whole story is suspicious to the extreme.
Bruce's own business is funded by paid advertisement, from sponsors that he knows.
I find it very strange that, in spite of being a professional of paid advertising, he could zealously recommand MyBitcoin while not knowing the person behind, and not having any affiliation.
I find even more strange his story in The Bitcoin Show about how he told to his *friends* one evening that he wanted to withdraw his funds, only to find out the next day that MyBitcoin had gone offline without any explanation (and the coming back of Tom Williams a few weeks later with only half of the money and no decent explanation).

And now, these emails published and commented (and therefore legitimated) by Bruce himself...
If they are legit and Bruce tells the truth, they prove that there exist some unspoken relation between Bruce, Tom Williams, and MadHatter...
Is Bruce a victim of blackmail of s.o. threatening to reveal his "secret"? Then why would Bruce jump in the trap by coming up with this Pattaya proposal? And what was the trade off of the blackmail?
Is MadHatter telling complete bullshit and he found out Bruce's "secret" at the same time as everybody? Then why does he speak as if that was not their first exchange of mail, and why does Bruce relay that crap as an "interesting email" supposed to discharge him somehow?
Why does it feel like Bruce broke some kind of deal? What was the deal?
And if MadHatter is really a fugitive, why is he still posting on this forum, optimizing his chances to get doxed.

The most paradoxical of all is that the second email would be totally lacking purpose if it was not transactional.
MadHatter seems to imply that he has incriminating evidence against Bruce, and that he is ready to use it if he gets bust because of him (which implies that Bruce knows much more than he admits regarding this MyBitcoin story).
Bruce affirms that he has nothing to hide, and that indeed MadHatter is terrified.

So if this email is legit, that means that Bruce knows something important about MyBitcoin and has nothing to loose telling it.
So why don't you just tell it Bruce?
That would help eliminating the doubt that this email is a smoke screen, and the whole story a big and complex theater play.

Again; don't go. Already we're seeing alternatives pop up. (See Prague Convention) This isn't some official event sanctioned by the community. If the community doesn't back it, it is nothing more than a vacation for a bitcoin-holding social group.

Bruce is pushing us all forward, at his own expense and time. I'm not sure Pattaya is the best choice either, but the simple solution is to vote with your feet.