Topic: Two interesting emails I received today... - page 8. (Read 16449 times)

And holding what is being touted as an "official" Bitcoin conference in a city that is considered to be the international capital of child sex slavery & child sex tourism does nothing more associate it with that stigma. Ignoring the communities input that this is a bad idea and to reconsider is another major issue here. If he wants to do his vacationing there, it's none of my business nor is it any of my business what he does there, but if he's attaching Bitcoin to it and promoting it as an official event, then we should all be concerned that the people behind it might not have the best interests of the community at heart - which is what got us in this mess to begin with. He knew about the reputation of Pattaya yet denied that it was an issue and dismissed the concerns of the community at hand without any acknowledgement of the validity of the concerns. Nor did he reveal that he had a personal interest in holding the conference there when confronted about it. That wouldn't have been a problem if he had just told people that it was more of a personal vacation than it was a conference. I just got back from Shanghai a couple weeks ago and there was a gentleman there from Thailand on business. We were talking in the bar of our hotel and Bitcoin came up in our conversation. I mentioned a conference being held in his country at Pattaya and he was very animated in his response -  "Don't got to Pattaya, it's a very bad place and shameful on our country". Now I know what he meant by that.

Beyond that, I agree with you. The pedophilia accusations are still as of yet unproven and it would be best left out of any discussion regarding Bruce.

I've looked around and seen a lot of personal comments by Bruce about his leisure activities. They are all consistent with his public statements on this subject, and my interactions with Bruce. I don't know the incentives behind this attack, but I hope it blows over with little more said.

Those calling for Bruce to step aside as a leading bitcoin promoter are being ridiculous. We all do things that we wouldn't want tied to our work. It isn't always easy to separate these personas online. None of the paranoid security experts floating around are well suited for PR. Every public figure is open to this sort of digging. It really boils down to the following:

If you don't like Bruce, don't watch The Bitcoin Show.
If you don't think Pattaya is a good fit for the next conference, don't go. Better yet, spend your time and coins (like Bruce is) on organizing an alternative.

Violating people's privacy is exactly the sort of thing causes fear of "hackers". These accusations do nothing more than further associate bitcoin with the "hacking" community, as the media portrays it. Hopefully, the aggressors realize they're causing real harm to both Bruce and bitcoin. Otherwise, I recommend that they quit their day jobs, as their online personas are involved in personal attacks to the detriment of bitcoin.

I would suggest that no, "we don't know what is happening". Low post count users aren't any more or less valuable than any other user, especially in a forum that is still in its formative years like this one. How do you think high post count users are created in the first place?  I assume that if a topic says "The Sky is Blue" and all of the low post count users are agreeing, but high post counter users are saying "No, it's red", you'll automatically believe that it's a trolling effort to convince people that the sky is blue?  This type of elitism is what drives people away (along with some of the ridiculousness that we've seen from actual trolls)

I agree that the pedophilia accusations are a bit much, but there is a lot of other material that people are completely justified in being concerned about regarding Bruce.

Then how about the opposite, with The Madhatter and nanaimogold (both registered in 2009) teaming up against Bruce?

I’d also say that the higher the post count, and especially the longer you have been registered in this forum (suggesting higher BTC net worth), the more prone you are to bias and delusion with regard to Bitcoin.

@JeffK
You only make yourself sound like a christian fundamentalist. There is nothing wrong with consensual sex.

Again, this forum has been under constant attack from trolls and people with clone users. Low count users is very indicative of being a troll or a clone trying to "create opinion" or give the impression that a majority of the opinions go in some directions when it is not the case (although there are some, few, low count users that are valid). Just understand that if a bunch of low count users are all posting in mass in a thread with opinions in the same direction you know what is happening.

Duh. Most of the people with huge postcounts have the most to lose from scandals around bitcoin. Most of them are still trying to cover this whole thing up and praying it will pass over asap without too much negative effect.
Having a high postcount on this board does not make you a superior, smarter or wiser person. In fact, it's more likely to give you a very clouded judgement.

This is such a shame, and embarrassing.

I can't help but feel bad for Bruce. I recently had dinner with Jered of TradeHill and Bruce in NY where BitInstant is based, and I could only say good things.

Bruce is one of Bitcoins largest allies and advocators, it would be a big blow to the community of these allegations are true.

Let's try and remain objective until the facts come to light

Charlie

All the accusations against you are still valid.  Like was said, these guys trying to take advantage of your current situation are scumbags, but you still have things to answer for.  I won't bother listing them (they are pretty well documented and have been sent to the FBI) but you should be careful of trying to bring a libel suit.  Last thing a prostitute wants is a lawyer and his team digging into his background.  

This is gonna go back and forth, back and forth, there aren't any hard evidence in either direction. Even if there was hard evidence to prove, no one could post it but only submit it to the FBI. Could this be like a Micheal Jackson case or Kasey Anthony or OJ Simpson, sure. These are sick accusations, whether true or not, plain out sick.

The real judge will be his maker, that's how I see it.

Can you at least explain these?








so sometimes men = boys, and sometime it refers to two different groups?


For those who don't know, punlman is Bruce (you can check his blog, or this screenie:

+1

Madhatter and nanaimogold are obviously scumbags.  That doesn't really help your case though, Bruce.

I think it'd be best for Bitcoin if you stepped out of the spotlight for now, and gave others a chance to step up.  We need a chance to diversify and decentralize the Bitcoin "PR department".  Just take a break from your promotional activities for a little while and wait for the air to clear.

Just to clarify; Bruce's referrence to "fugitives" couldn't possibly include me.

My real name, address and telephone number are in the whois record. I might be the easist man to locate in all of the bitcoin realm.

Nanaimo Gold is now the world's oldest running exchanger of digital currencies, the first exchanger of bitcoin and the only exchanger to run through the entire lifespan of bitcoin without a hack or more than a brief downtime.

A fugitve could not accomplish that.

And YOU might want to check into the things that Bruce has posted all over the 'net previously. Don't give him a 'free ride' just because he is a Bitcoin celebrity.

I'm not sure this is the case here. There are plenty of people who have been here for ages that are disturbed by all of this and have voiced as much.

I'm completely against the accusations of pedophilia and find them sickening, but I really think the issue of Pattaya was one that could have been handled better had Bruce not had some personal crusade to get back there without any input from anyone - even the people who live IN Thailand!

I Don't care much about any of the personal crapflinging that will abviously go on around this thread....Instead i draw your collective attention to the following excerpt from "The Mad Hatter"s email:


All that Bruce did, as far as I am aware was to report the details of the suspects related to the MyBitcoin scam to the appropriate authorities.

The above statement by TheMadHatter only further implicates his own personal involvement in MyBitcoin by confirming that he is (one of) or knows the identities of the perpetrators of a suspected scam.

?? did i just miss something ??

MrTiggr
#bitcoin-police

The Pattaya suggestion could have been written off as ignorance on your part, but that doesn't seem very likely now.

I would recommend to anyone checking the number of posts of the people answering here. Usually the "users" with low post count go in one direction and the user with high post count go in another direction.

I just want to know why you were so persistent to the point of becoming unhinged about the destination of Pattaya even after the community (rightfully) backlashed against it. People started getting curious and found one of the reasons why you love Pattaya (erotic entertainment, I don't want to address or get involved in the allegations beyond that). You should have just come out and said that you loved the male prostitutes in the city and got it out of the way, people probably would have accepted that as your explanation even if it is still a very bad idea to hold a conference in Pattaya. There were even Bitcoin advocates that live in Thailand that were telling you this was a very bad idea due to the issues that the city currently faces, yet you were still insistent.

I don't agree with anyone calling you an out-and-out pedo, but I really think that you could have handled this issue of Bitcoin conferences a hell of a lot better and actually gotten some sound advice from better-informed people on where to hold this conference and how to conduct yourself while doing it. Pattaya isn't a place to hold a world-wide financial conference and you really should have known better.