Topic: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season - page 53. (Read 141700 times)

well, from here we should be able to understand that the UCL and the European league are something different, I mean the UCL is a bigger and more prestigious competition while the European league may be one of the big competitions but not bigger than the UCL.
this means that every team that can successfully qualify for the final round of the UCL is the strongest team out of most of the teams that were eliminated and on the one hand experience is also very important in the UCL because this experience makes the players more confident and have a great mentality to beat their opponents and in fact it is the same as Atalanta is much more experienced than Leverkusen in European league competitions.
In yesterday's European League match, I might appreciate what other people said regarding the surprises that would occur, but in this UCL, for me, surprises will not happen and for me, Madrid seems to have guaranteed the UCL title.

the worst thing that Madrid will face is not defeat or in other words the surprise will come only to end in a draw.
we know why I say this and all of that is because Madrid reputation and great desire to win the UCL title is very close and will not be wasted.
one thing we forget is that Madrid has Ancelotti who is very experienced in winning the UCL title.

Just apart from Madrid winning it many times and of course allowing Dortmund who has just alone won the title just once in their life time which is back then since 1997, but if we are to judge from performance Madrid is to win the finals. From what I saw happened between Atalanta Vs Leverkusen in the EUROPA league final, I may have to clear my doubt and hoping that Dortmund still have a chance against Madrid. Finals like this is meant to be tough, so Madrid may find it very difficult to secure the win but even they still remain the favourites with the best possibility of winning.

Reflecting on how Dortmund beat PSG in the semifinals, it is possible that they will also repeat the same thing in the final against Real Madrid. It's true that Dortmund are not favorites in the final, but saying they can't win the game is like forgetting something that could happen.

Real Madrid is superior in many ways, including squad depth and experience, but Dortmund, who have big ambitions to achieve success in the final, will certainly work hard and make their dreams come true. I was impressed by Dortmund's performance as they emerged from a tough group stage as group winners. Dortmund beat PSV in the round of 16, they beat Atletico Madrid in the quarter-finals, then beat PSG in the semifinals, everything was done on the basis of hard work and struggle.

Is there a possibility that a non-seeded team will win the European title this season, looking at the Europa League Final yesterday, Dortmund could have come out as champions, but is there a possibility that this could happen, even though the percentage is very small, but on the other hand, it could happen, because  no one knows the ability of the non-seeded team to hope that Dortmund can become champions this season. If you look at Real Madrid, there is no doubt that with some of their top players who are quite respected, of course that is not necessarily a guarantee that they will win this season.

It is also generally discussed in European leagues that Leverkusen is the favorite candidate before the match starts, but Atalanta is able to make a surprise. Real Madrid does have everything and of course they will be the favorites, but if Dortmund can play neatly and solidly it doesn't require the possibility that they will experience the same thing. I hope Dortmund don't defend completely because if they do that Real Madrid will be very free to play the ball in the central area.

Dortmund must also take the initiative to attack so that Real Madrid's defense becomes busier and this step will make the match run with high tension. Emotional control also needs to be applied because usually Real Madrid will disturb opposing players with tricks like this.

Dortmund was indeed lucky against PSG, where many of PSG's chances did not result in goals because they hit the goal post, but it must be admitted that Dortmund's defense and counter-attacks were also very dangerous, especially in the final match, of course the atmosphere was very different. Those who are not favorites can be winners, as proven by the Europa League final between Atalanta vs Bayer Leverkusen. Even though before the match started, Leverksuen were very favored to win the Europa League trophy, but in fact they lost badly to Atalanta, and I also lost the bet in this match because I bet on Leverkusen to win. A similar thing could also happen to Real Madrid.

However, there is no doubt about Real Madrid's mentality in the UCL, they are very strong.   If they're in the UCL league, it's like their tournament. Dortmund's defeat certainly felt honorable because the opponent was KING UCL. Dortmund can win against Real Madrid as long as they steal a goal first and Madrid players get a red card. Because stealing a goal first is not enough because Madrid is the king of comebacks and the condition is that one Madrid player must receive a red card.

Dortmund may had a chance, but with Kroos retiring as well, and Modric "probably" leaving Madrid too, I feel like we are going to see Real Madrid playing the game of their life because aside from them I think Carvajal could be the only player from the "old" guys, the whole ramos pepe ronaldo type of period that they had which won many titles and cups.

So they will want to have a good farewell to them, which would be nice to be fair and I think it's quite important to realize that we are not going to get Dortmund playing as well as Real Madrid could play. If both teams play their 100% on that game, we are going to see Real destroy Dortmund, the only hope they have would be Real Madrid playing badly compared to their normal level.

In the matches with Barcelona, especially in the second match, Dortmund was very lucky, the number of chances that PSG created near the Dortmund goal simply miraculously did not convert into goals. It’s probably not worth talking about good defense, because the ball hit the crossbar more than once, and Real Madrid’s attack is much stronger and if they can convert at least part of what they create in the match into goals scored, they will be able to win without big problems. Dortmund is a strong team if it managed to reach the final, it’s hard to argue here, but Real Madrid is stronger now.

Ancelotti is game strategy expert and can really understand what must be done for Real Madrid line-up in the final match, I believe that Real Madrid game will be really very strong and they can have stable performance both on the front line and in the defense.
Maybe Dortmund can also be called strong team because it was able to eliminate other team that were its opponents until Dortmund actually managed to enter the final round, it just that all of Dortmund opponents were very different from Real Madrid.

In the final, I think Dortmund will be much more careful and prioritize being able to focus on their defense because all of Real Madrid attacking players always perform very well with solid cooperation, it will be easy for Real Madrid to get goal advantage if Dortmund defense makes mistake.
Of course Real Madrid is the favorite, and they are the team that is superior, hopefully the UCL final match will not be like the Europa League where an unexpected surprise occurs which makes the favorite team suffer defeat, but the chances are very small for Dortmund to show big surprise like that.

This is the biggest competition in Europe, every club that reaches the final will do their best, the favorites don't always win. We can see the previous UEFA Europa League final match where Leverkusen lost to Atalanta even though Leverkusen was the most favored in the tournament because Leverkusen was able to maintain its consistency towards the end of the season with We haven't experienced a defeat yet, but we didn't expect that it would be Atalanta who won the Europa League title. So we can draw the conclusion that it could be that Dortmund will also win the Champions League final so that the clubs that were initially favorites don't get this important title.

But because the Europa League and the Champions League are different because Atalanta's performance record in the Europa League is also quite good when playing in the Europa League, so it's natural that Atalanta ends up giving a surprise. While Real Madrid always performs well in the Champions League, which is different from Dortmund's record in the Champions League, so Real Madrid is better many are favorites to win but still don't underestimate Dortmund because this club has already won the Champions League title once and wants to add to its collection of big trophies like its arch rival in the league, namely Bayern Munich.

Dortmund don't have a squad with many star players like Real Madrid but they have quality, discipline and ambition that combine together to make their strength as a united team. This helps them to beat many stronger, more valuable squad and go to the final match.

Vinicius and Rodrygo have very good speed but I believe Dortmund already had experience in their semi final matches with PSG. PSG have Mbappe and Dembele who are speedy players too but we can see Dortmund prepared their tactics and players to reduce danger from these attacking players very well. Vinicius and Rodrygo will not have an easy final match to play and to maximize their speed to tear apart Dortmund defense system.

Clubs like Dortmund can have stable good performances in their domestic league and in Champions League but they barely have chance to win titles. This season is one of very scarce chance for Dortmund to win one more Champions League title, the second one in their club history after a first one in 1996 - 1997 season.

The German side don't have that quality we're all looking for but they can cause a lot of damage in that encounter, they shouldn't be underrated and I'm looking forward for that to happen, like the Madrid players are good but their previous achievement will get into their head, they'll feel like the game is all about them. Dortmund may not have the Vinicius Jr, Bellingham or the Rodrygo but you see their (Dortmund) front line, they can cause same problem to Madrid.
Don't get this season's performance of Dortmund as something they have been doing, is only this season we're seeing the best of Dortmund and I hope they won't lose this form next season, first thing first, let the UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE title go with them to Germany before we talk about them and their form.

Real Madrid have the best attacking players in the European football world. Everyone have come to concord that Real Madrid is the best team because winning a treble at this particular time needs more elite performance and back to back excellence in game results. However we should always gives accolades to Carlo Ancelotti for doing the top job to secure good spots for Real Madrid last season and this current season.

I don't think lucky is a right word to say about Real Madrid having those players, because Real Madrid always do assessment when want to sign a player. The players they sign are always the players who have big ambition for their career, and this has a big impact on Real Madrid as a team that has winning culture. That's why it's rare to see a player rejected Real Madrid when the player received an offer from the club.

Bundesliga is not a destination for the players with big ambitions. The league seem more about tactical display and entertainment for their fans. Dortmund is a club that focus on the development of young players with a great academy. Real Madrid and Dortmund seem to oppose each other in this context. The Champions League final will provide a game between ambitious team against talented team. 

I certainly wouldn't say that this match, with any of the lineups for the match, will be easy for Real Madrid. This is the Champions League, especially the final - unpredictability is the key word that should be used here. Dortmund may well win this match, yes, it will be incredibly difficult, but theoretically it is possible. I will be rooting for them in the final, Real are boring to watch in this tournament, they have won it a bunch of times

Real Madrid are lucky just lucky with hungry football players, I don't know what Perez do whisper to their ears anytime they come to the club but they play like their life depend on it and the PR that comes along with it is extraordinary, this is what I don't see happen in Germany leagues and for that, I'm not sure Dortmund will be delivering the way Real Madrid players are going to but we shouldn't underestimate football though, things like yellow card in box 18 and red card are still part of the unexpected we don't discuss often in this time of prematch.


There is two things I'm expecting to see in this match, it's either Real Madrid score first and maintain the defensive for the rest of the game if Dortmund are super active or they continue to score more goals and pressure them until the end but if Dortmund are to scored first, they will not give Real Madrid a single shot on target and I believe that's what any smart coach will do. It was same strategy Real Madrid use against Liverpool in 21/22 season to win their last Champions League.

Yeah it was a surprise for all of us watching the game yesterday where Atalanta were much more dominant with their 3 goals, we didn't see this as Leverkusen because looking at the back to back games between Roma vs Leverkusen where they were two goals down but Leverkusen were still able to come back but for the final it changed for Leverkusen.

What else is there for Real Madrid to consider? All of the above for Dortmund but it's true we never know what will happen so most people will still choose Real Madrid despite the example of the Europa League final.

Again Real Madrid have a lot of experience I don't care about Leverkusen anymore because it's their first final after decades of maybe not reaching it.
Seeing how Real Madrid react in this final is what we are waiting for. Win or lose.

I expected this though that after yesterday’s match, there will be lots of talk on the unpredictability of football. Well it’s allowed as to an extent I saw Atalanta being able to give Leverkusen some tough battle and they did and they got the prize which is the trophy. It is surprising how many relate this to the UCL. ⁠yes because the UCL is so different as it has to do majorly with experience first and the team performance. Yes your team performance must be above excellent to be able to win the Ucl. And when you look at this Real Madrid squad, they’re a full definition of a UCL winning team.

  Real Madrid's squad have the experience and they have also got very talented players who have been able to partner and blend with the experienced players over time. With this blend, you expect nothing leas than a master class performance from Real Madrid in the finals. Also, I think the departure of Kroos will be one that the Madrid team will take so serious and will want to give a perfect goodbye gift, the UCL trophy.

 ⁠Kroos himself will take this match so seriously as he will aim to make sure he delivers his team and give the fans one fond memory to remember when he leaves because sincerely most of the fans are still surprised he’s leaving before Modric. For this reason, I think Real Madrid will sure get the victory and claim the trophy at the end of the day and I can’t wait.

What people still don’t understand is that games don’t work like that. There are two different leagues and completely different teams, and that fact needs to be accepted. Is that this Bayer leverkusen has only one Europe Cup, which was in 1988, while Atalanta has none, but just gotten one this year. So if we are to bring the same assessment to the Champions League, Real Madrid has a total of 14 trophies, while Dortmund has only one, which was in 1997, so if you compare those teams together, you will also know that it can’t be possible. 

Furthermore, Real Madrid are not here to play, and we all know they are the best winners of this trophy, but anything can happen, so we look forward and see how the game will end in the next nine days, but I know that Real Madrid's performance is better than Dortmund's.

The Atalanta Versus Laverkusen match is very relevant as an example that in football there is always an unexpected possibility, the favorite team could lose. Speaking of reputation, Madrid is certainly much better than Dortmund, and in many other aspects the two teams are also very different, but the surprises that occurred in the Europa League could also happen in the Champions League. On paper, there is no doubt that Madrid can be assumed to win the Champions League trophy this season, but once again sometimes all predictions can be wrong, therefore a lot of consideration is needed if you want to bet on one of them.

In general, the game will most likely be dominated by Madrid, Dortmund will likely play by relying on counter attacks, and I think both teams will play very carefully. In terms of preparation, Dortmund has more time, while Madrid must first play the final La Liga match versus Real Betis, in this case Dortmund is a little lucky. Ancelotti will clearly save a number of important players, and will be more focused on looking towards the Champions League final.