Topic: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season - page 50. (Read 141700 times)

Technically you’re right and the prolong debate about this is the probability of unforeseen outcomes in some matches when we don’t least expect them, if not, no one will blindly argue that Borussia Dortmund will win the match against Real Madrid in the finals. We have both seen their strength as a team and how they farewell throughout this season, with respect to that; it is clear that Real Madrid will be winners in that match and not Borrusia Dortmund which luck can only shine on to prevail in this final. Let us not deliberate much about this, Real Madrid remains the best team to win and if they don’t, it would just be an unlucky day for them and the luckiest day for Borrussia Dortmund.

Of course there is a chance for Dortmund because we know both teams have the chance to become champions. But in terms of mentality, of course Real Madrid will be very superior in the final match because they are a team full of experience and also one of the teams with the most trophies in the Champions League. Dortmund can try and maximize their strengths and that is what they can do. Apart from that, a neat strategy can also make them perform well, which is the expertise that Terzic must provide for the final match.

Real Madrid is certainly a favorite, especially since they have many young players who have quite good qualities like Vini. Bellingham is also very good this season because this season is his first season with Real Madrid but he has been able to have a big influence on Real Madrid progress. Dortmund certainly has to play extra carefully because Real Madrid front line is very aggressive this season. I hope the two teams can play better and show fierce competition.

Nowadays many of us talk about possibilities that are not necessarily true, but the opportunities are like that. Real Madrid has a superior probability of victory because of squad depth, recent performance and also experience, but victory will not be guaranteed for them because Dortmund also has players who can hurt Real Madrid to fail.

There are many cases where the favorite team loses a match, this happened to PSG this season and Manchester City. I won't be a guarantee about who will win, it means both teams can win even if one of them is the king of the Champions League.

I never thought betting on Real Madrid winning was 100% safe in 90 minutes against Dortmund. Dortmund's low probability should be considered as a risk, it is to prevent greed and minimize the risk of losing due to overconfidence.

It's worth noting that making such analogies is like pointing a finger in the sky, because there don't necessarily have to be consistencies in such things. I believe that Real are unstoppable this season and they will probably win the Champions League, they are very experienced in this tournament. However, I believe that Dortmund will try to do something and will not just leave this pitch, at least they can score a goal for sure

What is in favour of Dortmund? You didn't mention anything tangible, and again, the final won’t be the worst day for Real Madrid, we all know that. Or did you think if Dortmund were able to knock out PSG, then they would have the chance to win the finals? Bro, this is not any other domestic league, this is the Champions League, and it is well known that Real Madrid has the highest record for the trophy in the season. Anyone who knows football will likely have hope in Real Madrid.

But it is not good to underestimate a team like Dortmund, because it has been a long since they won that trophy, so they will put in an endless effort to see if they will be able to achieve that trophy this season since they made it to the finals. To me, this is something that might be hard to happen, but on the other hand, anything is possible in football. 

Surely Borussia Dortmund struggled much more than Real Madrid to qualify for this Champions League final, I don't think anyone would have expected Borussia Dortmund to fight so hard and get access to the final, for me it was a real surprise, I hope the fairytale continues, because it is true that Real Madrid is strong and has many Champions Leagues, but it is also true that it is getting tired of seeing them win always and only them. 

I tend to see a tougher struggle from Dortmund compared to Real Madrid since the quarter-finals. Real Madrid was lucky to qualify for the semifinals against Bayern Munich after Manchester City failed in the penalty shootout. Real Madrid was also lucky to qualify for the final because the referee who led the semifinals was considered to have made a controversial decision. I wouldn't say Dortmund has a high chance of winning, but I think Dortmund is a team that got to the final with struggle and hard work.

Real Madrid is not bad at all in my book, but I saw two lucky ones in the quarter-finals and semi-finals. Of course, Real Madrid is very much the favorite in the final, regardless of how Dortmund struggles against it, that is normal considering that the two teams are at different levels of play.

Even though I know that everything can be possible in football, I still have high hopes for Real Madrid because they are far better than Dortmund in any aspect of this league, and they are the favourite team in this game. Although I know and believe that what happened to Bayern Leverkusen can happen in this game, to me, Real Madrid is different, and their performances are still different and can’t be compared to each other. So let's see how both teams turn out in this game, because I have seen too much hype for this game.


Yeah. Things can change. Seriously, we can’t say that because they won Manchester City, they will still beat Dortmund in the final. This is true in football; many things are happening that we are not expecting, but still, I’m very sure that in this game we cannot compare Dortmund to Manchester City, and since they still manage to win them, you can see that winning Dortmund is going to be something we should not be surprised by.

Did you remembered how Barcelona was eliminated in the Quarter when they met with PSG? they were down 1 goal aggregate and in the second leg, they conceded the first goal in the early beginning of the match until they later bagged a red card and PSG came hard for them with 4 goals and end the match with 2 goals difference in aggregate. What does this teach you? That's football and it can happen to any team no matter how good your are in a tournament.

I just think we are having another last season of final between Manchester City and Inter, we knew it was obvious that Manchester City will be ready to win the match which they did but Inter did their best until the last moment, that's what is expected of this match between Real Madrid and Borussia Dortmund. So far, Dortmund are silent and that can only mean one thing, they are cooking all possibilities to win this match while Real Madrid are busy discussing about Tony Kroos exit from the club.

Actually most of the odds is in favour of Real Madrid to the point it appears the only thing that can get Dortmund the trophy would be a luck or miracle because asides the fact that Madrid appears to be the favourite of most persons, they still have the obvious strength and form that is very much unmatched with that of Dortmund in the history of football and even the champions league which they are about playing.

Over the years Madrid have been known for their strength across all the leagues they have participated in  across Europe, rhey have the most champions league experience a d have aswell won the trophy the most amongst Al European teams since ever the inception of the champions league and many more records that Madrid have been able to set both in the champions league and their domestic league, so putting all this together it most definitely pushes the odds in favor of Madrid against Dortmund because it's looking most clear that Dortmund has got lesser experience.

Real Madrid having been able to repeat the champions league title victory severally and successfully won it they are considered to not just winning the trophy based on luck but have been able to master the champions league and people can now be sure for a while that they can win the champions league especially when they happen to meet teams such as this and it wouldn't come as a surprise if they eventually get to win this team.

Any Champions League final is always a tough and interesting match, so even this upcoming final is not going to be an easy match. I don't really know why people are underestimating Dortmund towards Real Madrid. Dortmund is not bad team, and that is the reason why they have the opportunity to reach the final. I know from the statistics and records that Real Madrid is in great form compared to Dortmund, and they may have a good chance of winning the match, if have to follow full records form, but the truth is that a final is not something we can easily predict.this reminds me of season when Chelsea won their last Champions League. Many people predicted that Manchester City would win because Manchester City was in better form than Chelsea that season, but at the end of the game, Chelsea won. So, even in this coming final, I can't underestimate Dortmund.

Considering the current situation in Dortmund and Real Madrid the only thing that can help Dortmund against Real Madrid is a miracle unless they don't have any chance and Real Madrid can easily beat Dortmund in this match and win the Champions League title for another time while they were always the most successful team in this tournament. I think Dortmund is going to play wisely and defensively and focus on counterattacks otherwise they are going to lose this game because of the strong forwards they have in Real Madrid.
 

Every team, including Real Madrid, will consider the worst possible outcome of a match, let alone the Champions League final.
Real Madrid is still very likely to lose even though many of us think they can beat Dortmund easily. Everything is not impossible even though Real Madrid is a better team in every way than Dortmund, but Leverkusen's defeat in the Europa League will open many eyes that nothing is impossible to win even when you are underestimated.

Real Madrid have also proven that this season, especially when they visited the Etihad Stadium in the second leg against Manchester City in the quarter-finals. Real Madrid, who came full of hope, finally managed to qualify for the semifinals through a penalty shootout, even when Manchester City was really the favorite to win at home. The same could be reversed, Real Madrid losing the final is a possibility.

Are your different feelings influenced by the Europa League final between Atalanta and Leverkusen? If it's true, we agree that in the final the ambition of the team that is not seeded can be more surprising than that which was seeded from the start.

Regarding Kroos decision to retire based on the search I did, Kroos is the person who is the most vocal about rejecting busy player schedules, I mean next season there will be many changes in the world of football regarding the increasing number of competitions being held and Kroos does not agree with this, especially in this case UEFA policy the new one. But that's only a small part of the reason Kroos retired, because in terms of age, fitness and productivity on the pitch Kroos is still very good. Moreover, he wants to end his career with Madrid by taking advantage of the important moment after the UCL final.
On the other hand, Dortmund also wants to dedicate the UCL final to its legendary player Marco Reus, who has been part of the club for a long time. For this reason, Dortmund is motivated to win trophies by trying to conquer Real Madrid.

The curse of the last match for Dortmund can still happen just like last season they were in the Bundesliga so indeed this is the last chance but it is very difficult too because their probability is definitely smaller when compared to Madrid, especially we know that Madrid is currently one of the clubs that does have the most contribution in the Champions League especially for the problem of champions so that Dortmund's chances are clearly very small but it is still possible because nothing is impossible in football only depends on 90 minutes of their match.

Madrid are currently in good form and I'm actually confused about who I want to be determined to win because on the one hand this is Reus' last match at Dortmund but on the other hand this is also the most beautiful gift for Kroos before really deciding not to play football as a professional athlete so this dilemma clearly makes me unable to choose even though it is most likely that Madrid will win this match.

I think we can say that Real Madrid has proved themselves in the past numerous times. Especially in the Champions League. They are definitely a better team when it comes to them compared to Dortmund. And that’s a difference we can find with Real Madrid and Leverkusen. Dortmund has not shown this kind of performance in the past. So even though they were actually really good throughout the whole season, we did not have the performance from the past to judge them. We only had the performance of this season. So when I saw that they had lost in the Europa League final, I started to think that we had expected a little too much from them.

But I don't think that should happen in the case of Real Madrid They are a proven team in the Champions League competition. So I think it is not going to be a problem for Real Madrid to win the Champions League final. And we are not going to have any kind of surprise. So i'm happy to place my bet with ~1.6+ odds on Real Madrid.

Good Luck

Duke

I would probably agree that it's because of the coach, but I don't agree if you just bring the coach's origin, although indeed in the current era Ancelotti, Gesperini, and Vincezo have had extraordinary interference in the 3 prestigious matches, especially Atalanta led by Geseperini has brought the Europa League Trophy. Maybe it can be claimed right but I don't think it's that simple, because this goes back to the intelligence of the coach himself and the time they have genius thoughts with his character, not all coaches from Italy also have the same thing as those three now, meaning geniuses can come anywhere, we don't judge where the person is from as a coach but I admire the intelligence he has in building the rhythm of football he leads.

Indeed, Dortmund main factor is about luck and at the same time Real Madrid had some bad luck. But of course, I also believe that Real Madrid will dominate the match of course by continuing to attack but anyway, if for example Real Madrid experiences bad luck it will certainly make Real Madrid get a deadlock even though Real Madrid continues to attack. Therefore, although Real Madrid is certainly a team that will be highly favored but indeed, at least any  results still occur about surprises that might also occur. But if we talk about the results on paper then ofcourse, Real Madrid will certainly win and that is no longer in doubt because Real Madrid also has a better level compared to Dortmund.

Yeah, the results of the Europa League should have an impact on the match in the Champions League moreover Dortmund has almost the same criteria as Atalanta play defensively and rely on counter attacks. Indeed, Leverkusen and Real Madrid cannot be compared because Real Madrid has more experience but the scheme can be the same so as you said Real Madrid must be more careful. For the betting market so far I don't see any drastic changes the odds are still the same as last week 1.63 for Real Madrid to win and 5 for Dortmund, but for me personally betting on 1x2 is not interesting I'm more interested in both teams to score Yes and the main reason is that Dortmund and Real Madrid actively score goals in every match.

Seems you are too confident on Madrid winning even with a higher goal margin, I had same confidence not untill I experienced what happened in the EUROPA final like I earlier made mention. Madrid has the upper hand in this final to secure the title, same did goes for Leverkusen but it all took an unexpected turn, who knows what might transpire in the coming UCL final. Dortmund is currently motivated and the drag for the title would be a tight one, and if Madrid should with much confidence underestimate Dortmund then we tend to see what happened earlier reoccur again. Once Dortmund has the lead in games like this which determines breaking the long years of not being able to win the UCL they often close up the defence not to concede goals. Bellingham might aswell be a threat, same way they also know how to tackle him from changing the game.