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Quote from: AprilioMP on November 20, 2024, 02:14:43 PM

Because the French Ligue 1 competition that is not as strict as the English Premier League and other League is a reason why they have difficulty when competing in the Champions League and for me these factors are very reasonable if it is made into the cause.
Strangely, Bayern Munich competition in the Bundesliga is also not much different from Ligue 1 France but they can appear dominant here. Have we ever thought like that?

Their hope in this season PSG can go far and the reasons we offend must be used as a major factor to answer that what we say is not true. In your opinion, are they able to break it?

Well, the difference in the level of competition between the Premier League, Serie A, Ligue 1 and Bundesliga and other leagues may indeed be quite influential. But I noticed that other teams from Ligue 1 besides PSG performed very well in the UCL this time. For example, Brest is ranked 4th and then Monaco is ranked 3rd. And Lille even has a better ranking in the UCL than PSG. Things are really always difficult to predict when it comes to matches in the UCL. Because even a team that is considered weak can actually be quite good in the UCL. And conversely, a team that is considered strong can actually have difficulties in the UCL. It's just that I'm surprised why PSG, who currently leads Ligue 1, turns out to have results that are no better than other teams that are both from Ligue 1. Brest and Monaco have never even lost. But PSG has already suffered two defeats. It's just that I can understand it because PSG was immediately faced with a tough opponent from the start. Like Arsenal and Atletico Madrid.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on November 20, 2024, 12:59:54 PM

Perhaps one of the difficulties experienced by PSG so far in the Champions League is from the competition factor of the teams in the French Ligue 1. We know that the competition there is not as competitive as in other leagues in Europe. PSG almost every season wins the trophy, even if there is a superior team, the points difference will be tight. But when PSG is dominant in Ligue 1, the points difference will be quite large.
Even with the effort to bring in top world players, they still failed to bring home the Champions League trophy. This season, I think it is much more difficult for PSG.

Because the French Ligue 1 competition that is not as strict as the English Premier League and other League is a reason why they have difficulty when competing in the Champions League and for me these factors are very reasonable if it is made into the cause.
Strangely, Bayern Munich competition in the Bundesliga is also not much different from Ligue 1 France but they can appear dominant here. Have we ever thought like that?

Their hope in this season PSG can go far and the reasons we offend must be used as a major factor to answer that what we say is not true. In your opinion, are they able to break it?

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The match between Bayern vs PSG will indeed be no less exciting than the Liverpool vs Real Madrid match. And actually Bayern and PSG both need points to improve their position and opportunities in the current phase. And PSG's position is actually much worse at the moment. But if Bayern loses to PSG in that match, Bayern and PSG's positions could change. I'm not sure which team to give preference to for this match. This is as difficult as predicting the Liverpool vs Real Madrid match.

Apart from that, I am also curious about the Sporting CP vs Arsenal match. because previously Sporting CP have could beat the giant from the premier league, namely Manchester City. And I'm curious whether Arsenal will have the same fate as Manchester City or not. It's just that there is something different about Sporting CP at the moment because they have lost their coach, Amorim, who preferred to move to Manchester United.

Bayern Munich vs PSG is hard to predict, Bayern Munich has 14 unbeaten record in home and in the upcoming match they will play in their home. But, Bayern Munich recently not score many goals, PSG performance aren't that bad. I think risking to bet under 2.5 seems worthy, usually when a big team vs big team, there will not be many goals.

Sporting CP vs Arsenal, the match will held in Sporting CP's home and Arsenal don't have a good results, Sporting CP will win.

I will choose Bayern Munich to be favorite in this match, because PSG is always struggling to win their UCL matches since the beginning of this tournament but Bayern has found it very easy to win their games with many goals. They surprised me when they won Leverkusen 4-0, and I think winning PSG will be very easy for them. PSG without Mbappe is weak in UCL and I don't expect much from them this season.

I won't say Bayern Munich's chance is high enough, but still, we can't forget that PSG is using a new coach, and they can have much higher and better chances with Enrique in this team. We can't forget that PSG always fails to have good performances in the Champions League, and that's the main reason for them to make huge changes, hire new coaches, and spend huge amounts of money on their team.
But I think this time PSG can be a strong competitor for Bayern Munich in this match.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on November 20, 2024, 12:59:54 PM

Perhaps one of the difficulties experienced by PSG so far in the Champions League is from the competition factor of the teams in the French Ligue 1. We know that the competition there is not as competitive as in other leagues in Europe. PSG almost every season wins the trophy, even if there is a superior team, the points difference will be tight. But when PSG is dominant in Ligue 1, the points difference will be quite large.
Even with the effort to bring in top world players, they still failed to bring home the Champions League trophy. This season, I think it is much more difficult for PSG.

PSG has not been able to find the right coach, even though they have brought in some top players, like last season where they had Neymar, Messi, Mbappe did not make PSG strong in the Champion League they still failed because the team's mentality is still bad in this competition.

Competition in the Champion League is very tight if a team experiences poor performance then the team will not be strong to advance to the next round.
Maybe it makes sense what you say PSG only dominates in the domestic league only this is not much equal, so still this will win every season for the domestic league.

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Yes, Munich will definitely dominate. The previous bad results were obtained when they played away, and later when facing PSG, Munich will play at home. It will not be easy for PSG to get points.
Even if they do not win by a large goal difference, I am sure that Munich will be superior to PSG even though it is a narrow victory because PSG could do a strategy that Munich would not expect.

Basically, based on the odds that are currently available, it also shows that Bayern Munich is more favored to win than PSG. Also, if we consider about the head to head results that they have too, the reality is that when Bayern Munich plays against PSG, that Bayern Munich has a good dominance of victory. Moreover, so far PSG is still very weak to compete in the Champion League if we compare with other top teams from different leagues. Thus, it makes sense that Bayern Munich is basically more favored because after all, their position in the current Champion League standings still proves that Bayern Munich is still better than PSG.

Perhaps one of the difficulties experienced by PSG so far in the Champions League is from the competition factor of the teams in the French Ligue 1. We know that the competition there is not as competitive as in other leagues in Europe. PSG almost every season wins the trophy, even if there is a superior team, the points difference will be tight. But when PSG is dominant in Ligue 1, the points difference will be quite large.
Even with the effort to bring in top world players, they still failed to bring home the Champions League trophy. This season, I think it is much more difficult for PSG.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on November 20, 2024, 10:44:25 AM

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Even if Bayern Munich couldn't get good results from their previous matches, it doesn't mean that they will repeat the same poor performance against PSG in Allianz Arena. If PSG wants to make the match dull, it means that they accepted defeat whole heartedly and that will give Bayern room to score as many goals as possible.

On the one hand Bayern will never dull the match because Kompany wants to use this match to start back his winning streak and end the recent poor performances.

Yes, Munich will definitely dominate. The previous bad results were obtained when they played away, and later when facing PSG, Munich will play at home. It will not be easy for PSG to get points.
Even if they do not win by a large goal difference, I am sure that Munich will be superior to PSG even though it is a narrow victory because PSG could do a strategy that Munich would not expect.

Both teams are under pressure after a series of poor results in previous matches and it seems that they will play all out in this match to improve their position in the standings and increase their chances of qualifying for the next phase. Bayern Munich is at an advantage because playing in front of their own supporters is a plus and will also increase the confidence of the players but on the one hand PSG also cannot be underestimated they are an elite club I still think the chances for both of them are 50/50, anyone can win this match.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on November 20, 2024, 10:44:25 AM

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Even if Bayern Munich couldn't get good results from their previous matches, it doesn't mean that they will repeat the same poor performance against PSG in Allianz Arena. If PSG wants to make the match dull, it means that they accepted defeat whole heartedly and that will give Bayern room to score as many goals as possible.

On the one hand Bayern will never dull the match because Kompany wants to use this match to start back his winning streak and end the recent poor performances.

Yes, Munich will definitely dominate. The previous bad results were obtained when they played away, and later when facing PSG, Munich will play at home. It will not be easy for PSG to get points.
Even if they do not win by a large goal difference, I am sure that Munich will be superior to PSG even though it is a narrow victory because PSG could do a strategy that Munich would not expect.

You can be wrong about this. Although Munich is a good team, we all know how strong PSG is. PSG is a difficult team. We can more or less guess what kind of competition there will be between the two in this match. Both teams have very good performances in the league. They will want to show a similar performance in the Champions League. They have had unsuccessful results and they want to forget them. In my opinion, it will be a match where both can win.

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Liverpool have a more consistent performance than Real Madrid. And if it is a big match I think the chances are 50:50 because both teams are often favorites. But with their current form I think Liverpool are more favored to win this match. Arne Slot can really maintain Liverpool's performance which is even better than the previous season.
But if we talk about UCL I still favor Real Madrid to be the champion this season. Just like the previous season where City were favored to win the UCL but in the end Real Madrid won.

If we put in context the performances of Liverpool and Real Madrid this season, it's obvious that the English club have had a better season and have been more consistent than the Spanish club but since this is a UEFA Champions League game, I think Real Madrid have a good chance of getting a result against Liverpool in their game next week.
Real Madrid is the reigning Spanish and European champions and as the most successful club in the competition, I'm very optimistic they can go to Anfield and get win. That being said, I expect a very strong performance from both teams which at the end, the home team might take all three points.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on November 20, 2024, 10:44:25 AM

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Even if Bayern Munich couldn't get good results from their previous matches, it doesn't mean that they will repeat the same poor performance against PSG in Allianz Arena. If PSG wants to make the match dull, it means that they accepted defeat whole heartedly and that will give Bayern room to score as many goals as possible.

On the one hand Bayern will never dull the match because Kompany wants to use this match to start back his winning streak and end the recent poor performances.

Yes, Munich will definitely dominate. The previous bad results were obtained when they played away, and later when facing PSG, Munich will play at home. It will not be easy for PSG to get points.
Even if they do not win by a large goal difference, I am sure that Munich will be superior to PSG even though it is a narrow victory because PSG could do a strategy that Munich would not expect.

Basically, based on the odds that are currently available, it also shows that Bayern Munich is more favored to win than PSG. Also, if we consider about the head to head results that they have too, the reality is that when Bayern Munich plays against PSG, that Bayern Munich has a good dominance of victory. Moreover, so far PSG is still very weak to compete in the Champion League if we compare with other top teams from different leagues. Thus, it makes sense that Bayern Munich is basically more favored because after all, their position in the current Champion League standings still proves that Bayern Munich is still better than PSG.

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I still think Real Madrid is quite serious in building their team this season because their less than optimal performance lately does not mean that they should judge them as not serious in playing in every match. But it is more about the performance of their players who are a bit chaotic because there are old players who have retired and also there are new players who may not be used to the tactics in Real Madrid. So I will not judge them for seriousness or not because in reality they are really serious in every match even though the results may look different for this season.

More precisely because some of the players they have are injured so that Real Madrid's strength is much less consistent. They have lost twice in the Champions League so far and the defeats were against teams that were not too strong so there are many things that Ancelotti needs to fix and that is not talking about the draws they have gotten. Real Madrid remains the favorite in the Champions League because they do have a very good mentality in the league.

But if their strength is not much better and they do not play more solidly then I doubt they will be able to maintain consistency and it will be much more difficult to defend the title because currently there are many other teams that may have changed with much stronger and more solid strength.

A manager pre-sets the squad thinking that one or two players from the starting XI for the full time may be the maximum injury-prone players in their squad, and he places players on the bench. But something has been different for Real Madrid this season. Several players in the regular XI have been injured this season as well as the new striker not getting along well with the rest of the players but Real Madrid have failed so far. However, Real Madrid will not give up so easily, they will compete hard with the opposing teams with the players they have. They may have won the Champions League trophy last season but this season will be a tough journey for them but Real Madrid will still be among the favorite teams in the Champions League.

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Quote from: lizarder on November 20, 2024, 06:25:21 AM

More precisely because some of the players they have are injured so that Real Madrid's strength is much less consistent. They have lost twice in the Champions League so far and the defeats were against teams that were not too strong so there are many things that Ancelotti needs to fix and that is not talking about the draws they have gotten. Real Madrid remains the favorite in the Champions League because they do have a very good mentality in the league.

But if their strength is not much better and they do not play more solidly then I doubt they will be able to maintain consistency and it will be much more difficult to defend the title because currently there are many other teams that may have changed with much stronger and more solid strength.

Well, in the end, Real Madrid's strength is still very much taken into account even though it is in a fairly unstable condition at the moment. Because we never know when Real Madrid will surprise us again with the stunning performances they usually show on the pitch. The lack of quality second line players in the back line has led to Real Madrid not being optimal at the back at the moment. So they didn't have a solid defense after their main player was injured. But I'm starting to think that it's only a matter of time until the current players can adapt and start becoming solid defenders too. For now, Real Madrid's main focus is to secure their position and at least they must qualify for the play-offs. Because if Real Madrid fails too quickly in the UCL then it will really destroy their reputation in the UCL.

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on November 20, 2024, 11:44:52 AM

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Liverpool have a more consistent performance than Real Madrid. And if it is a big match I think the chances are 50:50 because both teams are often favorites. But with their current form I think Liverpool are more favored to win this match. Arne Slot can really maintain Liverpool's performance which is even better than the previous season.
But if we talk about UCL I still favor Real Madrid to be the champion this season. Just like the previous season where City were favored to win the UCL but in the end Real Madrid won.

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Liverpool being better favoured ones should show the world that Real Madrid isn't looking as good as they usually do. I am not entirely sure when was the last time I saw Real Madrid not be the favourites in any game at all, normally they are the ones that are favourites in every single game they play, against anyone ever. But this time around they are seen as worse.

Because, Real Madrid has injury problems and Mbappe problems and not doing that great this season so far because of these two reasons, whereas when we talk about Liverpool they have been doing better than ever, Arne Slott was really the fresh breath of air they needed and they are leading both premier league and UEFA champions league both at the same time. When you look at it on paper it's clear that Liverpool is much better this season and that's why they are the favourites. But, this is Real Madrid we are talking about and I am sure that they are going to be fine no matter whatever happens, there is a chance they could still win.

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Quote from: Ruttoshi on November 20, 2024, 10:33:09 AM

Even if Bayern Munich couldn't get good results from their previous matches, it doesn't mean that they will repeat the same poor performance against PSG in Allianz Arena. If PSG wants to make the match dull, it means that they accepted defeat whole heartedly and that will give Bayern room to score as many goals as possible.

On the one hand Bayern will never dull the match because Kompany wants to use this match to start back his winning streak and end the recent poor performances.

Yes, Munich will definitely dominate. The previous bad results were obtained when they played away, and later when facing PSG, Munich will play at home. It will not be easy for PSG to get points.
Even if they do not win by a large goal difference, I am sure that Munich will be superior to PSG even though it is a narrow victory because PSG could do a strategy that Munich would not expect.

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Both team have the chance and something to fight for, Bayern willl be fighting to stay in Knockout stage (don't know if they could make it out though) while PSG will be fighting to get to the Knockout stage ... yet we know who is capable more than the other atleast Bayern still has win in their last three matches unlike PSG with only draw and lose in their last 3 matches... yet they both still have good stats and chance , it's really going to be an interesting game for sure... next week would be a nice week I hope I don't sleep off Grin

Well, you won't fall asleep, but I'm afraid Bayern and PSG will play a game that will make you sleepy Grin

. even though Bayern Munich and PSG are firmly in the lead in the domestic league. But with the Champions League, they have a completely different face.

PSG, under coach Luis Enrique, is in the process of transforming from an all-star squad to a young and talented generation. Bayern Munich, meanwhile, have few excuses for their recent failures. This would have been a great match if it were the two giants of old, but now I think this match will look bland. PSG will be a guest at Bayern Munich
This will certainly be an advantage for Bayern Munich in the race for a ticket to the knockout round.

Even if Bayern Munich couldn't get good results from their previous matches, it doesn't mean that they will repeat the same poor performance against PSG in Allianz Arena. If PSG wants to make the match dull, it means that they accepted defeat whole heartedly and that will give Bayern room to score as many goals as possible.

On the one hand Bayern will never dull the match because Kompany wants to use this match to start back his winning streak and end the recent poor performances.

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I still think Real Madrid is quite serious in building their team this season because their less than optimal performance lately does not mean that they should judge them as not serious in playing in every match. But it is more about the performance of their players who are a bit chaotic because there are old players who have retired and also there are new players who may not be used to the tactics in Real Madrid. So I will not judge them for seriousness or not because in reality they are really serious in every match even though the results may look different for this season.

More precisely because some of the players they have are injured so that Real Madrid's strength is much less consistent. They have lost twice in the Champions League so far and the defeats were against teams that were not too strong so there are many things that Ancelotti needs to fix and that is not talking about the draws they have gotten. Real Madrid remains the favorite in the Champions League because they do have a very good mentality in the league.

But if their strength is not much better and they do not play more solidly then I doubt they will be able to maintain consistency and it will be much more difficult to defend the title because currently there are many other teams that may have changed with much stronger and more solid strength.

The injuries of players that continue to befall the Madrid squad at the moment, greatly affect their performance and game, the injuries of some key players have made them lose their consistency and strength, what you say I think is quite true, the 2 defeats they got in the UCL this season have shown their performance has declined drastically, let alone the defeat they got was from a team weaker than them, So Ancelotti should start trying to find the solution from weaknesses of his current team, because if not then it seems that we have to exclude them this season as the favorite teams in the UCL this season

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We just need to see if in the end Liverpool are able to carry out a revenge mission or not because indeed for now Liverpool's condition is more stable but when talking about the h2h of the two clubs then Madrid is still very superior for now and that cannot be denied.

I personally feel that this will be a good match to wait for but when talking about the results and expectations of who will win in this match then I will remain in Madrid as the choice to be the winner.

Even though this seems imposing but I'm still not too sure if Liverpool can end their phase that has never been able to win against Madrid in the last few matches. Although currently Slot is a new coach but the majority of players remain the same so I still have high hopes for Madrid.

Liverpool have the advantage of being the host, apart from their slightly more consistent performance than Real Madrid at this time. Player injuries have affected Real Madrid chances of getting full points, and perhaps Liverpool will take advantage of this to get revenge and improve their previous meeting record. Regardless, beating Real Madrid is not an easy job, Arne Slot needs to work hard to do it. The match feels very important for Real Madrid, losing points will make their steps towards the last 16 even more difficult.

No one expected Arne Slott to be able to do his job very well, he managed to lead Liverpool to the top of the Premier League and Champions League standings. Real Madrid will be a tough test for them, and it can be said that the match is basically difficult to predict.

But on some occasions sometimes some problems like this do not have a bigger impact and do not even mean anything to Madrid and for consideration that Liverpool's home matches in the past few seasons when facing Madrid ended with a score that was quite striking so in the end even though it cannot be denied that there will be some problems that occur and Liverpool's advantage in terms of probability is there, Madrid cannot be underestimated because they have strengths that cannot even be predicted.

Arne is beyond the prediction of most people in his first season this time and there is indeed great hope for Liverpool to be able to change their fate when facing Madrid so as not to always lose but the possibility in the end is still 50/50 for me considering Madrid although currently not in good form but that does not mean they will lose easily.

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Quote from: Fara Chan on November 20, 2024, 03:55:13 AM

I still think Real Madrid is quite serious in building their team this season because their less than optimal performance lately does not mean that they should judge them as not serious in playing in every match. But it is more about the performance of their players who are a bit chaotic because there are old players who have retired and also there are new players who may not be used to the tactics in Real Madrid. So I will not judge them for seriousness or not because in reality they are really serious in every match even though the results may look different for this season.

More precisely because some of the players they have are injured so that Real Madrid's strength is much less consistent. They have lost twice in the Champions League so far and the defeats were against teams that were not too strong so there are many things that Ancelotti needs to fix and that is not talking about the draws they have gotten. Real Madrid remains the favorite in the Champions League because they do have a very good mentality in the league.

But if their strength is not much better and they do not play more solidly then I doubt they will be able to maintain consistency and it will be much more difficult to defend the title because currently there are many other teams that may have changed with much stronger and more solid strength.

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This season Real Madrid faced quite tough opponents in 8 matches and different while for previous seasons in the group stage Madrid faced weaker opponents than them that made Real Madrid undefeated in the group stage and always came out as champions in the group. However, this season is where Real Madrid's performance is tested whether they can defend the UCL title if they face tough clubs at the beginning to continue to advance to the next round.

The new format implemented in the Champions League makes it a little difficult for Real Madrid to achieve maximum results because most of the teams they face are very difficult to beat. Previously they had lost two matches, this number may increase because in the remaining four matches they will face Liverpool and Atalanta. I am very skeptical that they can retain the title because their performance this season is very different from last season. After losing to Milan, they now have to fight hard to improve their position in the standings, but I am also very pessimistic that Real Madrid can win at Liverpool's headquarters.

I understand why UEFA provides a new format with tougher opponents for top clubs so that the Champions League is not only dominated by clubs that are usually strong candidates in the Champions League as well as to test the ability of strong candidates whether they can face increasingly fierce competition. But with this new regulation it becomes very interesting because we will see teams like Man City, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich looking difficult in the UCL only Liverpool who has performed consistently in the last 4 matches will he come out as the first champion to enter the last 16?

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Quote from: AYOBA on November 19, 2024, 03:52:24 PM

This season Real Madrid are facing a lot of challenges when ever they meet with their opponents, they look very unserious this season, but according to people’s that is due their some of players that are injuries that’s why their performances always look down in every of their match. And with the way Real Madrid end last season with good performance; nobody expects that there performances will very unserious this season.

Madrid are struggling to get out of their predicament at the moment and I think as a big team and favourites in La Liga of course it is impossible for them not to be serious in facing this season, because after all they are always aiming to be the team that wins the trophy every time the season ends, I think after the performance they have shown has been very impressive in the last few seasons,of course it is natural that this season they are stuck in a slump, especially since player injuries are the main factor that disturbs Madrid current stability.

Quote from: Fara Chan on November 20, 2024, 03:55:13 AM

I still think Real Madrid is quite serious in building their team this season because their less than optimal performance lately does not mean that they should judge them as not serious in playing in every match. But it is more about the performance of their players who are a bit chaotic because there are old players who have retired and also there are new players who may not be used to the tactics in Real Madrid. So I will not judge them for seriousness or not because in reality they are really serious in every match even though the results may look different for this season.

Madrid only brought in two players this season, namely Mbappe and Endrick, so adaptation should not be the reason for Madrid slump, especially since the league has entered week 13, what does it take that long for a star player to adapt to the game of his new team?
Meanwhile, the retirement of kroos and the absence of players who can cover the hole left by kroos in the midfield in my opinion is a slightly better reason than players adapt.

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