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Quote from: Dump3er on January 01, 2025, 06:51:52 PM

There are a couple of teams that can rightfully express that the final is their goal. If you take a team like Barcelona and even Manchester City in their current form, it would be weird if they didn't say that they want to reach the final. There is no point for these teams in making themselves smaller than they actually are.

Manchester City? I am not sure if I got your point right, but Man city's current form in the Premier League means that there will be a similar effect in the champion's league at some point. I don't think they will go very far. The same applies to Barcelona. They started off brilliantly, but they have deeped in form.

Quote from: Inwestour on January 02, 2025, 07:39:52 AM

This opinion may be because Liverpool have already beaten Real in this group stage, but I agree that Real is not in optimal form at the moment, and Liverpool, on the contrary, it seems that the team has reached its peak.

Real Madrid met in-form Liverpool twice or thrice, and they smashed them when it mattered most. What makes you think Liverpool now has an upper edge? Grin

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Real Madrid are facing a lot of challenges in the champion league this season, because their performances has been very poorly right from the beginning of this season, I don’t think Real Madrid can able met up in the champions league leagues this season. Because they’ve already loser 5 matches out of the six, that means they still have a lot to do before the league should come to an end.

Losing 5x? Shocked

The reality is that Real Madrid have 3 wins and 3 losses, and to be able to advance to the play off round is enough ranked in the top 24, not shoud in the top 15. But the point is, Real Madrid still has a very good chance of getting a victory in these two remaining matches, with two opposing teams like that then of course Real Madrid has better quality.

Although Brest are in a better position than Real Madrid in the table, but I believe it will not have any influence on Real Madrid, because I believe Real Madrid will also be able to beat Brest. There is nothing to doubt about Real Madrid in the Champions League, although they are not so good in this round, but when it comes to the knockout stages later, ofcourse Real Madrid will always be a team that is included in the title candidates whatever of the process.

Madrid journey in the Champions League this season has not been as smooth as previous seasons, we know that this is due to player injuries. But now, with most of the players back available, Madrid chances of reaching the last 16 have increased again, even though they have to go through the play-off route. Personally, I also assume that Madrid can secure full points in the next two matches, these matches are very crucial and have a lot at stake. RB Salzburg and Brest cannot be underestimated, because they also have the ambition to advance to the next round. If Madrid manage to reach the round of 16, then their journey will most likely be as usual, I mean Madrid will be the favorite team in every match.

Previously many suggested Madrid should recruit new players in the January transfer window, especially in the defensive sector, I think that is indeed a move that must be done to ease Ancelotti work. Dani Carvajal and Eder Militao are still hampered by injuries, both of whom may not return to the squad until August, which means they will miss the season.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on January 02, 2025, 07:09:26 AM

I see people who say Liverpool could beat Real Madrid and that's why Real Madrid is not a strong team anymore or people think Real Madrid cannot have any chance in the Champions League because of their losing game against Liverpool while the fact about Real Madrid is they are still a good team and they just need some time to get the players back in the good form and have better performance because right now they have many key players injured in this team which affected their performance in the games we saw from this team.
Also, Real Madrid losing the game doesn't mean they are a weak team but we should pay attention to the recent good performance from Liverpool they are first place in in the Premier League and this shows Real Madrid didn't the game against a weak team but they lost it against a team like Liverpool.

The issue now is that even if Liverpool could beat Madrid, I don't see how that is affecting them, and we know the kind of capacity that Madrid is carrying so there is no point worrying for Madrid and even if they did not win this period, there is still much confidence for them, which I believe in because their record is something that they do not deserve the mockery because they have tried there best and even if they do not win anything now, they will eventually. And we cannot even predict that Madrid will not do well in the Champions don't be surprised that they might even do well in the Champions Leagues.

And it is just a few things that are affecting Madrid and they just need to adjust and then they are good to go there The injuries also affected them, and they were unable to keep up with the performance, but they are performing, and there is no way that people will not see them as a better club, but along the line, people will understand that it is not always about who is leading because anything can still happen.

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Quote from: AYOBA on January 02, 2025, 10:06:15 AM

Quote from: Publictalk792 on January 02, 2025, 03:25:40 AM

This game seems good for Real Madrid. Salzburg is not doing well right now having only won one game out of six which makes it hard for them to be in top 24. If Real Madrid wins they might move into top 15 which would help them get spot in playoffs for next round. At same time Brest is doing better than expected this season and is currently in top 8. Their next game against Shakhtar Donetsk another team that not doing well is chance for Brest to keep doing well. But Real Madrid has a lot of experience and skill which will probably help them win and move on to next round.

Real Madrid are facing a lot of challenges in the champion league this season, because their performances has been very poorly right from the beginning of this season, I don’t think Real Madrid can able met up in the champions league leagues this season. Because they’ve already loser 5 matches out of the six, that means they still have a lot to do before the league should come to an end.

Losing 5x? Shocked

The reality is that Real Madrid have 3 wins and 3 losses, and to be able to advance to the play off round is enough ranked in the top 24, not shoud in the top 15. But the point is, Real Madrid still has a very good chance of getting a victory in these two remaining matches, with two opposing teams like that then of course Real Madrid has better quality.

Although Brest are in a better position than Real Madrid in the table, but I believe it will not have any influence on Real Madrid, because I believe Real Madrid will also be able to beat Brest. There is nothing to doubt about Real Madrid in the Champions League, although they are not so good in this round, but when it comes to the knockout stages later, ofcourse Real Madrid will always be a team that is included in the title candidates whatever of the process.

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Quote from: hahay on December 31, 2024, 02:10:48 PM

On paper, Real Madrid are clearly the better team from all angles but in a match there will be results that may differ from any prediction. Thus, although Real Madrid is the team that will certainly be favored to win, but Real Madrid will also not get an easy victory. When Real Madrid played away against Atalanta, the score was 2-3, and it really shows that the seeded team cannot always win easily. However, considering that is the Champions League where Real Madrid are the best team, then of course Real Madrid will always have a very good chance of beating Brest and advancing to the next round, no doubt I guess.

On paper i agree with you too.
Real Madrid is the real winner of the match. For many reasons, value of the players, experience on the pitch, of the players and of the coach.
Let's remember what he won in recent years, a lot and everything.
Now we are in crisis, many injured, a striker who doesn't integrate.

I am convinced that they will solve them.

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Quote from: shogun47 on December 28, 2024, 10:26:29 PM

They are still in the competition though and while I don't think they are still a favorite, I would not count them out entirely just yet.

What you said is very true, this team is very strange how they have done in these last few games, and that is despite the fact that they have one of the greatest coaches in the league , Pep What surprises me about all this is that they don't react, and everything is so difficult for them To tell the truth, having won a UCL, has that taken away their desire to play? Or has it taken away that way of being hungry like they did before, so in this sense if they don't recover they will have a very serious relegation , I really thought that at this point they would be leading the table, and certainly Haaland is not doing anything, he is very lost on the pitch.

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This opinion may be because Liverpool have already beaten Real in this group stage, but I agree that Real is not in optimal form at the moment, and Liverpool, on the contrary, it seems that the team has reached its peak. What will happen next is difficult to predict, maybe Real will strengthen its defense in the off-season and become even more vigorous, while Liverpool will begin to lose its form and at the end of the season everything will change and Real will win this tournament again.

When the two met in the 5th match, Real Madrid were not in their best form, while Liverpool were the opposite. The difference in performance between the two makes it difficult for Real Madrid to face Liverpool who have performed very aggressively this season. Now Real Madrid is starting to show its quality as a team to be wary of, they are also struggling to qualify for the last 16 through the Play-off route.
I am sure, Real Madrid will show something different if they manage to qualify for the knock-out stages.

Don't be surprised if at the beginning of the Champions League season Madrid looks so weak in several matches. Because no matter how bad their performance is, they can always advance to the next phase. Madrid has a strategy to reach the highest point, we don't need to be surprised if later in the competition towards the top 8 or 4, clubs like Madrid are much more prepared and have additional energy among other teams that step on the gas earlier.

The defeat from Liverpool became their second defeat in the UCL but fortunately they immediately bounced back by beating Atalanta and making them still have a chance to qualify for the last 16 play-offs at this time, Madrid journey this season in the UCL is not as easy as usual, but with the experience and quality they have so far their always find a way to rise, I saw, this season is their toughest season in the UCL so they have to rely heavily on the remaining two matches.

Madrid mission at the moment is to qualify for the last 16 play-offs and if that happens then I'm pretty sure they will be difficult to can stop in the knockout stages, because indeed they have the unique ability to appear stronger in the knockout phases in the UCL competition so far like @bitleap said.

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Quote from: AYOBA on January 02, 2025, 10:06:15 AM

Real Madrid are facing a lot of challenges in the champion league this season, because their performances has been very poorly right from the beginning of this season, I don’t think Real Madrid can able met up in the champions league leagues this season. Because they’ve already loser 5 matches out of the six, that means they still have a lot to do before the league should come to an end.

If Real Madrid doesn't quickly restore their squad's performance to the way it should be or to their usual performance which is quite extraordinary. So yeah, Real Madrid will have difficulties even if they qualify for the next stage after passing the play-offs. But one thing I believe is that Real Madrid will win the 7th match and they will be sure to get a ticket to the play-off round and maybe the real challenge will start in the play-off round. Because Real Madrid could face another strong team again. Because we know that almost all of those currently in the play-off zone are very strong clubs. What I never even expected was everyone having to fight in that zone. But thinking about Real Madrid going further in the UCL I think it will indeed be difficult if it has to get to the final. Maybe they will only be able to get through to the next stage and then lose. But since what we are talking about is Real Madrid, don't be surprised if they get up and make it seem like the UCL is in their hands again.

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I don't see Liverpool as the favorite to win UCL despite their current form amd their position in the table. This is not EPL and we have several cluba in their various leagues that are performing pretty good. It's from the semifinals that one can predict the club that might win the league this season. It is too early to predict due to some factors that we affect the teams performance in future.

At least if you look at their performance so far, Liverpool deserves to be considered a consistent team so far and thanks to all that they deserve to be said to be one of the tough contenders in the Champions League. regarding how they will perform in the next phase, we will find out later after the qualifying phase is over. it is natural if some say that Liverpool is not the favorite team even though their performance has been good in their 6 matches, even only conceding 1 goal so far. however, Liverpool is a team that is on a positive trend whether it is in the Champions League or the Domestic League, and they will definitely advance to the next round. this is not the EPL, but at least we have seen them play their matches well. it seems like we all have a favorite team, although nothing is certain. well, let's just see which team qualifies for the next phase and fights in a tougher phase.

For now they deserve to be called a team that has a great chance of becoming champions of the Champions League, but that does not mean that it is a guarantee that they will be able to become champions, because we know that in the Champions League there are many surprises that will thwart a team from becoming champions. In the knockout rounds later, there may be many teams that can perform better, including Real Madrid. Yes, Real Madrid may not be able to perform optimally at this time. However, after the break and when the transfer window opens, it is possible that they can improve significantly. So now it would be better not to rush into this, because it is still in the league round.

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Quote from: Frankolala on January 02, 2025, 07:50:05 AM

I don't see Liverpool as the favorite to win UCL despite their current form amd their position in the table. This is not EPL and we have several cluba in their various leagues that are performing pretty good. It's from the semifinals that one can predict the club that might win the league this season. It is too early to predict due to some factors that we affect the teams performance in future.

At least if you look at their performance so far, Liverpool deserves to be considered a consistent team so far and thanks to all that they deserve to be said to be one of the tough contenders in the Champions League. regarding how they will perform in the next phase, we will find out later after the qualifying phase is over. it is natural if some say that Liverpool is not the favorite team even though their performance has been good in their 6 matches, even only conceding 1 goal so far. however, Liverpool is a team that is on a positive trend whether it is in the Champions League or the Domestic League, and they will definitely advance to the next round. this is not the EPL, but at least we have seen them play their matches well. it seems like we all have a favorite team, although nothing is certain. well, let's just see which team qualifies for the next phase and fights in a tougher phase.

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Quote from: Lidger on January 01, 2025, 11:35:00 PM

Every season Real Madrid are more aggressive in Champions League matches but I didn't notice that this season especially at the beginning. Real Madrid have dropped points in several matches in the beginning so now they are failing to stay at the top of the points table.

You are right that every season we see Real Madrid team playing more aggressively in Champions League matches but this year we haven't seen them play as aggressively as before. At present, Real Madrid is not able to perform as before. Real Madrid lost a few matches in the beginning of this UEFA Champions League season which resulted in them not getting points in those matches i.e. they lost points. If they could have won those matches then they would have got points and at the moment they would be at the top of the points table.

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However, if Real Madrid cannot secure the second round from the top position, we can certainly expect that they will perform much better in the second round.

Real Madrid may not be able to secure the second round from the top position as Liverpool are currently at the top of the UEFA Champions League. Liverpool's current points are very high but Real Madrid's current points are very low so it can be said for sure that Real Madrid will not be able to go to the top position.

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Quote from: Publictalk792 on January 02, 2025, 03:25:40 AM

This game seems good for Real Madrid. Salzburg is not doing well right now having only won one game out of six which makes it hard for them to be in top 24. If Real Madrid wins they might move into top 15 which would help them get spot in playoffs for next round. At same time Brest is doing better than expected this season and is currently in top 8. Their next game against Shakhtar Donetsk another team that not doing well is chance for Brest to keep doing well. But Real Madrid has a lot of experience and skill which will probably help them win and move on to next round.

Real Madrid are facing a lot of challenges in the champion league this season, because their performances has been very poorly right from the beginning of this season, I don’t think Real Madrid can able met up in the champions league leagues this season. Because they’ve already loser 5 matches out of the six, that means they still have a lot to do before the league should come to an end.

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Quote from: hyudien on January 02, 2025, 06:59:22 AM

But it also still has to see the results of other matches, such as the team that is currently below them can win, including Paris Saint Germain and Stuttgart can win, then in terms of points they will have the same points. It is indeed a bit complicated to explain all this, but to be clearer maybe we can see from the results of the 7th match of the Champions League this season. After the 7th match, most likely we can see more accurately how Real Madrid's scenario is to be able to advance to the next round. But I myself hope they can do well, hopefully they can quickly get out of their internal problems.

Currently, without us realizing it, we have been discussing more about the teams fighting to win tickets to the play-off round. And most of the teams currently in the play-off zone are strong teams. It's quite ironic and that makes this season difficult to understand. And the definite answer will begin to appear after the seventh match. And PSG they have to really win the match if they want to enter the play-off zone. Because if they lose, PSG will remain outside the play-off zone and it could even make PSG fail more quickly if all the teams currently in the play-off zone manage to win. About Real Madrid, actually the result of the 7th match will still make them safe in the play-off zone whether they lose or win. It's just that if they win, Real Madrid will be certain to qualify for the play-offs and will fight for the next stage.

PSG seems unlucky because in their 7th match they have to face Man City. And I think PSG could even lose even though Man City is not at their best either.

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This opinion may be because Liverpool have already beaten Real in this group stage, but I agree that Real is not in optimal form at the moment, and Liverpool, on the contrary, it seems that the team has reached its peak. What will happen next is difficult to predict, maybe Real will strengthen its defense in the off-season and become even more vigorous, while Liverpool will begin to lose its form and at the end of the season everything will change and Real will win this tournament again.

When the two met in the 5th match, Real Madrid were not in their best form, while Liverpool were the opposite. The difference in performance between the two makes it difficult for Real Madrid to face Liverpool who have performed very aggressively this season. Now Real Madrid is starting to show its quality as a team to be wary of, they are also struggling to qualify for the last 16 through the Play-off route.
I am sure, Real Madrid will show something different if they manage to qualify for the knock-out stages.

Don't be surprised if at the beginning of the Champions League season Madrid looks so weak in several matches. Because no matter how bad their performance is, they can always advance to the next phase. Madrid has a strategy to reach the highest point, we don't need to be surprised if later in the competition towards the top 8 or 4, clubs like Madrid are much more prepared and have additional energy among other teams that step on the gas earlier.

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I see people who say Liverpool could beat Real Madrid and that's why Real Madrid is not a strong team anymore or people think Real Madrid cannot have any chance in the Champions League because of their losing game against Liverpool while the fact about Real Madrid is they are still a good team and they just need some time to get the players back in the good form and have better performance because right now they have many key players injured in this team which affected their performance in the games we saw from this team.
Also, Real Madrid losing the game doesn't mean they are a weak team but we should pay attention to the recent good performance from Liverpool they are first place in in the Premier League and this shows Real Madrid didn't the game against a weak team but they lost it against a team like Liverpool.

This opinion may be because Liverpool have already beaten Real in this group stage, but I agree that Real is not in optimal form at the moment, and Liverpool, on the contrary, it seems that the team has reached its peak. What will happen next is difficult to predict, maybe Real will strengthen its defense in the off-season and become even more vigorous, while Liverpool will begin to lose its form and at the end of the season everything will change and Real will win this tournament again.

Real Madrid lacks defense when they play against Liverpool, and some of its players are unavailable, thus Liverpool only has the possibility to win Madrid due to a shortage of players in the team at the time. I am confident that if Liverpool meets Real Madrid right now, they will not have the opportunity to defeat Madrid in the game Real Madrid is better than they were at the start of the season, so after the group stages, Madrid will be in good shape because they do not play in the knockout stages, and Ancelotti will make a promise that he will do his best to qualify for the Champions League final this season. I am just praying that Real Madrid will meet Liverpool again this season. Let see how the competition will goes and see who will be the favorite of winning the trophy this season.

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There are a couple of teams that can rightfully express that the final is their goal. If you take a team like Barcelona and even Manchester City in their current form, it would be weird if they didn't say that they want to reach the final. There is no point for these teams in making themselves smaller than they actually are.

Well that's right. Although basically all teams have the same goal, namely reaching the final and winning the title. But Real Madrid is the team that has always been the boldest in declaring their goal of playing in the final from the start. Even though their performance has been inconsistent this season in the UCL. But to be honest, this season Manchester City is no longer expected to be able to compete closely in the UCL. But I think Barcelona and Liverpool are two strong candidates this season. But I wouldn't be surprised if Real Madrid made it to the final again. because they are the kings here. No one has been able to break their winning record in the UCL.

Yeah that's right, Real Madrid feels like they are literally built to win the UCL, not that other teams don't care about it, but other teams care about their own league and their own domestic cup as well, they know winning UCL isn't a common thing, they do not build a team for that purposes, and ğits not just about talent when you do that, talent is of course important but even the most talented teams may fail to get UCL, it's more about depth and salary costs as well.

Because you need to get multiple great players, and for that purpose you need to get not only the best players in their position, but you need to get multiple players for the same position, to have good depth, so you can be great at UCL, and you also need to play most of them together for many years to make them get used to each other as well. All of this all together is a very difficult thing and that's why it causes some problems for other teams, hence they just make a team that's top heavy instead.

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Quote from: Inwestour on January 02, 2025, 07:39:52 AM

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This opinion may be because Liverpool have already beaten Real in this group stage, but I agree that Real is not in optimal form at the moment, and Liverpool, on the contrary, it seems that the team has reached its peak. What will happen next is difficult to predict, maybe Real will strengthen its defense in the off-season and become even more vigorous, while Liverpool will begin to lose its form and at the end of the season everything will change and Real will win this tournament again.

When the two met in the 5th match, Real Madrid were not in their best form, while Liverpool were the opposite. The difference in performance between the two makes it difficult for Real Madrid to face Liverpool who have performed very aggressively this season. Now Real Madrid is starting to show its quality as a team to be wary of, they are also struggling to qualify for the last 16 through the Play-off route.
I am sure, Real Madrid will show something different if they manage to qualify for the knock-out stages.

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Quote from: reagansimms on January 01, 2025, 10:05:28 PM

In general, all teams want to play in the final and win the trophy at the end of the competition, but the problem is their ability that can determine whether they are able to advance to the final or not. Ancelotti is very optimistic about his team's abilities, especially since they are also the defending champions. Real Madrid success in reaching the final depends on how they maintain their performance. I don't think Man City or Barcelona are capable of reaching the final, but I agree if someone says Liverpool will be a tough opponent for Real Madrid in defending the title they won last season.

Wining is usually and always the very first reason every team do come to the champions league to even start with, they don't go to the champions league to jut play but then everybody cannot win and that is why they all have to compete and when they do, the winner geos with the trophy and the other probably gets to try again another year. one thing i have always considered to matter a whole lot in the champions league is experience and Ancelotti has got it in abundance in that he's got the experience at almost every level of the UCL and this is always his edge he's got as at every stage he knows what to do to get passed that stage even if it at this point it does feels like he's having some challenge, they are such that he's very likely to solve such that it will not affect his champions league performance.

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Quote from: Inwestour on January 02, 2025, 07:39:52 AM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on January 02, 2025, 07:09:26 AM

I see people who say Liverpool could beat Real Madrid and that's why Real Madrid is not a strong team anymore or people think Real Madrid cannot have any chance in the Champions League because of their losing game against Liverpool while the fact about Real Madrid is they are still a good team and they just need some time to get the players back in the good form and have better performance because right now they have many key players injured in this team which affected their performance in the games we saw from this team.
Also, Real Madrid losing the game doesn't mean they are a weak team but we should pay attention to the recent good performance from Liverpool they are first place in in the Premier League and this shows Real Madrid didn't the game against a weak team but they lost it against a team like Liverpool.

This opinion may be because Liverpool have already beaten Real in this group stage, but I agree that Real is not in optimal form at the moment, and Liverpool, on the contrary, it seems that the team has reached its peak. What will happen next is difficult to predict, maybe Real will strengthen its defense in the off-season and become even more vigorous, while Liverpool will begin to lose its form and at the end of the season everything will change and Real will win this tournament again.

I don't see Liverpool as the favorite to win UCL despite their current form amd their position in the table. This is not EPL and we have several cluba in their various leagues that are performing pretty good. It's from the semifinals that one can predict the club that might win the league this season. It is too early to predict due to some factors that we affect the teams performance in future.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on January 02, 2025, 07:09:26 AM

I see people who say Liverpool could beat Real Madrid and that's why Real Madrid is not a strong team anymore or people think Real Madrid cannot have any chance in the Champions League because of their losing game against Liverpool while the fact about Real Madrid is they are still a good team and they just need some time to get the players back in the good form and have better performance because right now they have many key players injured in this team which affected their performance in the games we saw from this team.
Also, Real Madrid losing the game doesn't mean they are a weak team but we should pay attention to the recent good performance from Liverpool they are first place in in the Premier League and this shows Real Madrid didn't the game against a weak team but they lost it against a team like Liverpool.

This opinion may be because Liverpool have already beaten Real in this group stage, but I agree that Real is not in optimal form at the moment, and Liverpool, on the contrary, it seems that the team has reached its peak. What will happen next is difficult to predict, maybe Real will strengthen its defense in the off-season and become even more vigorous, while Liverpool will begin to lose its form and at the end of the season everything will change and Real will win this tournament again.

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