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October 31, 2024, 03:49:10 AM
With Bayer Leverkusen's condition this season, then I think even if the match is played in Germany, I will still believe Liverpool will not be defeated by Bayer Leverkusen. I personally basically do not underestimate Bayer Leverkusen but yes, because their conditions this season are at least clearly different, then I personally will remain  confident in Liverpool. But even so, I personally will still say that this is a match that will remain difficult for Liverpool.  Although I am very  confident to choose Liverpool to win in this match, but I believe that Bayer Leverkusen will still be difficult to beat, because Bayer Leverkusen still has a good effort and mentality under Xabi Alonso.

Leverkusen and Liverpool are both strong teams. Leverkusen's performance this season may have been somewhat erratic. But still I would say Leverkusen are fully capable of getting 3 points against Liverpool. So if Liverpool can't play well then the team will fail to get 3 points against Leverkusen.

Liverpool's performance against Arsenal in the last match of the Premier League was not very good. In particular, I would say that the performance of Liverpool's attacking players has been a bit slow this season. So if Leverkusen's defenders can play well against Liverpool then Leverkusen has a big chance of getting points against Liverpool.

The game against Leverkusen will be a difficult one for Liverpool, bearing in mind that the fixture comes at a time when the team is not fully fit due to a very tight schedule. The loss of key players through injury- Diogo Jota among them- has really blunted the attacking edge. It is a major loss as he played a pivotal role in goal-scoring opportunities and kept constant pressure on the back line. Yet another absentee will be Federico Chiesa, who just arrived from Juventus and was poised to replace even that injured player.

This limits the options that Liverpool can pursue for its frontline and striking options too. It feels that without those two important figures there, this is one evaluation that many do, having watched the forward line of play for Liverpool, feeling that it is moving with slightly less speed and sharpness. Leverkusen does not perform well but has very strong defenders. Therefore, it might prove quite challenging for Liverpool to break down the defense and score goals.

Both Liverpool and Leverkusen are strong teams and both have good coaches like Slot and Xabi Alonso. I think for Xabi Alonso that's important to win this match because they recently could get good results in the Bundesliga and they lost many points because of the draws they got but winning this match can decrease the pressure on Xabi Alonso and his team. Also, people expect to see the same good performance from Xabi Alonso as he had in the last season when they were unbeaten.
But Liverpool has good forwards and a strong frontline, as you said, which is enough to score the first goal against Leverkusen. I think Liverpool will score the first goal, and Leverkusen will try to come back like they always do.
  

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October 31, 2024, 02:11:42 AM
The best performing team in the English Premier League is Liverpool while the best performing team in the Bundesliga last season is Leverkusen so it goes without saying that the competition will be much tougher when it comes to the best teams in two different leagues. Liverpool are currently performing very consistently and they have good quality players in every position and every player has a good understanding with each player, it is expected that Liverpool will do well in this important Champions League match. I would prefer to bet on Liverpool in this match although the result could be different.
It is good and even wonderful when there is mutual understanding between the players. Of course, this is not only the merit of the players themselves, but also of the coaching staff. Not many people manage to achieve such a result. That is why Liverpool is now a favorite and shows excellent results. This season the team is really on fire. If things continue like this, then first place will be in the bag.
After Klop's departure, we were worried that Liverpool's performance would decline, but they managed to deny it all by being able to play well at the beginning of this season. Both in the Premier League and in the Champions League, they were both able to show a satisfying game, which ultimately made our trust in them increase. Now they will face a team that has the status of defending champion in the Bundesliga, of course this will not be easy for them. But I am also one of those who believe that they will be able to overcome this match. Moreover, now Leverkusen is also in a slightly declining condition, maybe it will be a different opinion when Leverkusen still has their appearance like last season.
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October 31, 2024, 12:06:00 AM
AC Milan just recorded a painful defeat yesterday against Napoli. The result they received could be the subject of analysis when Real Madrid vs AC Milan play.
AC Milan will be overwhelmed against Real Madrid according to my initial prediction. This is based on their game against Napoli. If Napoli's game pattern they can't do much, imagine the fast game that Real Madrid will play. Kylan Mbappe will try to make up for his small mistake when his team lost against Barcelona.
For betting, maybe I will lean more towards Real Madrid.
Milan defeat to Napoli can indeed be one of our references to choose Madrid as the favorite in the match, so far Milan has not found its best performance in the league or the Champions League so it is not surprising if the defeat continues to approach them at this time, Madrid who also previously lost to Barcelona actually have a more consistent performance when they play in the Champions League,  with their attacking power, of course Madrid have a greater chance than Milan, although football is always full of surprises, but to be honest, I actually see that Milan does not have a chance to be able to beat Madrid later, because overall, Madrid does seem superior to all aspects compared to Milan today.
Everything you said is completely agreed I don't see AC Milan beating Real Madrid in the next match and of course many are favoring Real Madrid in the Champions League even though lately Real Madrid looks in trouble but against Milan will be a little different no longer full of pressure, Paulo Fonseca's team is in poor form in the UCL and I don't think Milan can go further, I'm sure Real Madrid will give their all in the UCL this season to get at least one of the prestigious titles.
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October 30, 2024, 11:59:31 PM
The best performing team in the English Premier League is Liverpool while the best performing team in the Bundesliga last season is Leverkusen so it goes without saying that the competition will be much tougher when it comes to the best teams in two different leagues. Liverpool are currently performing very consistently and they have good quality players in every position and every player has a good understanding with each player, it is expected that Liverpool will do well in this important Champions League match. I would prefer to bet on Liverpool in this match although the result could be different.
It is good and even wonderful when there is mutual understanding between the players. Of course, this is not only the merit of the players themselves, but also of the coaching staff. Not many people manage to achieve such a result. That is why Liverpool is now a favorite and shows excellent results. This season the team is really on fire. If things continue like this, then first place will be in the bag.
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October 30, 2024, 06:59:08 PM
The performance of the Liverpool team is stable. However, the performance of Liverpool's forward players is not satisfactory. We have never seen a Liverpool team win by a big margin in Premier League matches either. At the same time, the boys of Liverpool have scored 6 goals in 3 matches of the Champions League. Liverpool won all three matches. However, Liverpool cannot win by a large margin.
On the other hand, the performance of Leverkusen's players has also been erratic this season. Xabi Alonso's match strategy is excellent. However, Leverkusen is not able to maintain the winning streak. However, it is expected that Xabi Alonso will try his best to win against Liverpool. This match will undoubtedly be competitive. But there is no way to say for sure which team will win.
Oh, yes, Liverpool looks great despite the departure of such a lump as Jurgen Klopp from the post of head coach. Bayer Leverkusen is entering its second season after the enchanting first, which is almost impossible to repeat. However, Xabi Alonso and the team showed last season that they are able to make the impossible possible and seem to be holding their level for now. However, due to the factor of my field, I would still give Liverpool some advantage and I think that at least the team should not lose. Although, of course, for me personally, this is a match of equal rivals and anything can happen.
Liverpool is not doing badly in all competitions and tonight they just proved again that they mean business this season by winning Brighton 2-3 in their league encounter. I do not think that Bayern Leverkusen will be a difficult nut for them to crack because Leverkusen have not been doing so great this season. Besides, Liverpool have great champions league experience that you cannot compare to that of Leverkusen and if this is something that counts, I will give it to Liverpool to overpower them already.
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October 30, 2024, 06:53:49 PM
With Bayer Leverkusen's condition this season, then I think even if the match is played in Germany, I will still believe Liverpool will not be defeated by Bayer Leverkusen.
You have no strong reason to say this. Leverkusen may perform inconsistently but it doesn't mean they are quite easy to be defeated in UCL. You need to check their stats in UCL, Leverkusen is still unbeaten in UCL matches. So far, they got 2 wins and 1 draw. Even if Liverpool are very strong, it is not impossible that Leverkusen can beat them. I just assume the match will end with a draw result.

Anyway, the next match will be held in Anfield, Liverpool home. Sure, this makes the chance of Liverpool to be higher. However, Leverkusen isn't a team that can be easy to defeat by Liverpool.

I personally basically do not underestimate Bayer Leverkusen but yes, because their conditions this season are at least clearly different, then I personally will remain  confident in Liverpool.
If you don't underestimate Leverkusen, you won't claim Leverkusen can be defeated by Liverpool in their home. Leverkusen may be no longer performing as strong as the last season. But we must admit Leverkusen still has a power to challenge any big team in UCL.
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October 30, 2024, 06:28:32 PM
The performance of the Liverpool team is stable. However, the performance of Liverpool's forward players is not satisfactory. We have never seen a Liverpool team win by a big margin in Premier League matches either. At the same time, the boys of Liverpool have scored 6 goals in 3 matches of the Champions League. Liverpool won all three matches. However, Liverpool cannot win by a large margin.
On the other hand, the performance of Leverkusen's players has also been erratic this season. Xabi Alonso's match strategy is excellent. However, Leverkusen is not able to maintain the winning streak. However, it is expected that Xabi Alonso will try his best to win against Liverpool. This match will undoubtedly be competitive. But there is no way to say for sure which team will win.
Oh, yes, Liverpool looks great despite the departure of such a lump as Jurgen Klopp from the post of head coach. Bayer Leverkusen is entering its second season after the enchanting first, which is almost impossible to repeat. However, Xabi Alonso and the team showed last season that they are able to make the impossible possible and seem to be holding their level for now. However, due to the factor of my field, I would still give Liverpool some advantage and I think that at least the team should not lose. Although, of course, for me personally, this is a match of equal rivals and anything can happen.
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October 30, 2024, 05:52:10 PM
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This limits the options that Liverpool can pursue for its frontline and striking options too. It feels that without those two important figures there, this is one evaluation that many do, having watched the forward line of play for Liverpool, feeling that it is moving with slightly less speed and sharpness. Leverkusen does not perform well but has very strong defenders. Therefore, it might prove quite challenging for Liverpool to break down the defense and score goals.

The performance of the Liverpool team is stable. However, the performance of Liverpool's forward players is not satisfactory. We have never seen a Liverpool team win by a big margin in Premier League matches either. At the same time, the boys of Liverpool have scored 6 goals in 3 matches of the Champions League. Liverpool won all three matches. However, Liverpool cannot win by a large margin.

On the other hand, the performance of Leverkusen's players has also been erratic this season. Xabi Alonso's match strategy is excellent. However, Leverkusen is not able to maintain the winning streak. However, it is expected that Xabi Alonso will try his best to win against Liverpool. This match will undoubtedly be competitive. But there is no way to say for sure which team will win.
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October 30, 2024, 05:12:22 PM
I don’t know what Liverpool performance will be like this season in the Champions League, so I’m still finding it difficult to predict how they will perform in this match. I have seen Bayer Leverkusen performance in the Champions League, and they are doing well. Liverpool performance in the Premier League is great; they are doing well, but sometimes a team cannot be good in all competitions they participate in.
This two teams are doing well, especially Bayern Leverkusen if not be this season that there some how relax their performances know any teams have power to challenge they them last season in the Bundesliga, because they remain unbeaten last season: But this season there performance is not powerful like last season; but still we can’t compare their performance with Liverpool, is it know this season that Liverpool have great performances in both the champions leagues and the premier leagues. Currently now Liverpool are in the 2nd place in the both competitions but that doesn’t mean they can able to defeat Bayer Leverkusen.
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October 30, 2024, 05:07:39 PM
If the game were played in Germany, I might say Bayer Leverkusen would have a chance, but I don’t see Liverpool dropping points against them at Anfield. I thought Liverpool would struggle after Klopp left, but Arne Slot has done an outstanding job so far, and I think he’ll continue to do so for a long time.
I also thought the same thing if their match was not at Anfield, but because Liverpool are always stronger at Anfield, it is clear that Liverpool will get points in that match and maybe even get it in full. Because this season Liverpool is still quite strong even though they are no longer coached by Klopp and if this season Liverpool are able to win their domestic league, of course Arne Slot will get more praise from anyone because he can make the team get back to getting what they have always wanted.
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October 30, 2024, 05:07:16 PM
Yes, there will be 4 top confrontations in this round and Liverpool - Bayer is one of them. Bookmakers see it like this at the moment:

1.67 - 4.30 - 4.60

Liverpool are the clear favourites, but I wouldn't say that the odds for their victory are attractive, considering the character of Bayer and the fact that this game doesn't have much tournament significance, I wouldn't risk betting on the favourite here.
I am pretty sure that is because Bayer Leverkusen didn't start the season as great as last season and not doing that great, whereas Liverpool started amazingly and that is why they are seeing it a lot better.

I give them some right, I mean 4.60 is unfair though, I believe they are going to do better than 4.60 gap, that shows Liverpool should be dominating like crazy and I do not think that they will dominate that much, we are going to see Leverkusen play decently as well. I am going to bet on Leverkusen, while I still think they are going to lose, I also believe 4.60 on them is not something I can miss, that is a huge return, I can bet something small, like 10 bucks, and get a great weekends worth of betting out of the way with a win, so it worths it.

This is a good choice to bet if you find value. Bayer is undervalued here most likely. I will probably bet on this game but since I prefer huge odds (multi-bets with "sure" outcomes) I will choose Bayer Double Chance.
Liverpool have lost their lead in the Premier League and the Champions League group stage is clearly not something they care about in this situation.
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October 30, 2024, 04:58:30 PM
Kylan Mbappe will try to make up for his small mistake when his team lost against Barcelona.
For betting, maybe I will lean more towards Real Madrid.
The defeat against Barcelona was also not entirely Mbappe's fault. Mbappe has incredible speed but Barca's defense played very, very well. They had the right coordination and timing that made Mbappe fall into an offside trap. That's not something every team can do. Using a high defensive line will make the opposing striker get into a 1vs1 situation if the defense doesn't have the right timing in forming an offside trap. I also favor Real Madrid to win the match. As I said before the defeat against Barcelona is not the end for Real Madrid. They will find their best form again. Hopefully!
I mean we can't say it was all his fault of course, but at the same time we can't say he had no part in it neither. He was the one that got caught offside all the time and he should have realized his speed and the offside tactic they would use against him. This is why we could say this isn't really that clear and can't say he has no guilt. Mbappe was seen as a huge signing for Real Madrid, so we need to consider him as very important key figure on that team and when his team loses 4-0 then he has a role in this as well, he has to do better to not lose like this.

Obviously all 11 were guilty, including the staff as well. But in this case, when a player gets paid as much as he does, maybe he needs to do better as well. But, I can see why need to say he is not the only responsible one, because while he is responsible, he is not the only one so I can understand why you would say that, it makes sense. Mbappe wasn't alone when he was playing that game.
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October 30, 2024, 04:44:45 PM
Just because Real Madrid was defeated by Barcelona in an embarrassing way does not nean that you should underestimate them.
Why will anyone even underestimate Real Madrid just because they lost a match? We all know the kind of club that Real Madrid are, and losing to Barcelona doesn’t mean they will lose their next match. I am sure they will want to pour their anger on the club that they will be playing against next, so I am expecting a win from Real Madrid in their next match. We all saw how Real Madrid performed in their match against Barcelona, they played well, but they couldn’t score, and Barcelona is a strong and experienced team also, so they utilized the chances they had in the match well.
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October 30, 2024, 04:08:01 PM
I hope this match will be interesting even though AC Milan's predictions will not be as good as Real Madrid even though Real Madrid deserves to be the favorite team to win the match.

For performance in the Champions League, I am a little doubtful that AC Milan can perform differently even though they perform poorly in the domestic league. The reason is clear as I said in my previous post. AC Milan now is no longer the same as AC Milan in the past when their opponents got a draw to face AC Milan, then they had thought far ahead.
Unlike Real Madrid, until now in the Champions League they are still respected even though in the domestic league.
If somehow Milan ends up winning against Real Madrid, that could be start of a huge downward spiral for Real Madrid. They already lost a game in UCL, to Lille, and they lost to Barcelona, a terrible loss, and if they also lose to Milan, that would be a terrible sight for them and they would be in huge trouble.

I can see why people could feel fine about it, but there is no way this could be okay, we are talking about Ancelotti having trouble after that, he would be on thin ice. Sure he made that team win so much, but this is Real Madrid we are talking about and if they start to lose, they won't care about previous achievements, they always look for the future and this could end up causing him his job if he loses to Milan and then start being bad.
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October 30, 2024, 04:05:20 PM
With Bayer Leverkusen's condition this season, then I think even if the match is played in Germany, I will still believe Liverpool will not be defeated by Bayer Leverkusen. I personally basically do not underestimate Bayer Leverkusen but yes, because their conditions this season are at least clearly different, then I personally will remain  confident in Liverpool. But even so, I personally will still say that this is a match that will remain difficult for Liverpool.  Although I am very  confident to choose Liverpool to win in this match, but I believe that Bayer Leverkusen will still be difficult to beat, because Bayer Leverkusen still has a good effort and mentality under Xabi Alonso.

Leverkusen and Liverpool are both strong teams. Leverkusen's performance this season may have been somewhat erratic. But still I would say Leverkusen are fully capable of getting 3 points against Liverpool. So if Liverpool can't play well then the team will fail to get 3 points against Leverkusen.

Liverpool's performance against Arsenal in the last match of the Premier League was not very good. In particular, I would say that the performance of Liverpool's attacking players has been a bit slow this season. So if Leverkusen's defenders can play well against Liverpool then Leverkusen has a big chance of getting points against Liverpool.

The game against Leverkusen will be a difficult one for Liverpool, bearing in mind that the fixture comes at a time when the team is not fully fit due to a very tight schedule. The loss of key players through injury- Diogo Jota among them- has really blunted the attacking edge. It is a major loss as he played a pivotal role in goal-scoring opportunities and kept constant pressure on the back line. Yet another absentee will be Federico Chiesa, who just arrived from Juventus and was poised to replace even that injured player.

This limits the options that Liverpool can pursue for its frontline and striking options too. It feels that without those two important figures there, this is one evaluation that many do, having watched the forward line of play for Liverpool, feeling that it is moving with slightly less speed and sharpness. Leverkusen does not perform well but has very strong defenders. Therefore, it might prove quite challenging for Liverpool to break down the defense and score goals.
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October 30, 2024, 03:52:03 PM

If the game were played in Germany, I might say Bayer Leverkusen would have a chance, but I don’t see Liverpool dropping points against them at Anfield. I thought Liverpool would struggle after Klopp left, but Arne Slot has done an outstanding job so far, and I think he’ll continue to do so for a long time.
Regardless of where the game is been played, I don’t think Bayer Leverkusen’s team of this season based on their performance so far can easily defeat Liverpool. Their performance dropped drastically this season, they hardly win matches and even in the Bundesliga they are not among the title contenders based on their form and performance this season. However I don’t say that Liverpool will also have an easy win, but their chances of winning Bayer Leverkusen is very high because Arne Slot is ready for every team this season, he started very well as Liverpool head coach and his performances so far in all competitions are commendable; therefore, I am betting on Liverpool to win the game, and again playing at Anfield is another added advantage for Liverpool.
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October 30, 2024, 03:45:55 PM
The match between Bayer Leverkusen and Liverpool will be one of the best matches of the Champions League. So I think it will not be a waste to watch that match. Liverpool is really effective and playing well in the Premier League. We hope Bayer Leverkusen was as good as last year. Leverkusen, who will play at Anfield this year, wants to surprise them. If they can do that, it will be very exciting.

If the game were played in Germany, I might say Bayer Leverkusen would have a chance, but I don’t see Liverpool dropping points against them at Anfield. I thought Liverpool would struggle after Klopp left, but Arne Slot has done an outstanding job so far, and I think he’ll continue to do so for a long time.
Yes, if we talk about opportunities, some people here will assume that Liverpool has it, the reason is none other than their appearance under the guidance of coach Arne Slot which is very impressive even though this is his first season but in fact he has no problems, even so to win this match is not easy they have to be serious in playing this match because Leverkusen also does not want to lose points or at least they can bring home one point at Anfield later.
And of course this match will be tight, it's a shame to miss it.

Apart from this match, I highlight another match, namely PSG vs Atletico, both of which are equally unstable in the UCL, but because they are big clubs I am sure this match will also be interesting to watch.
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October 30, 2024, 03:32:59 PM
With Bayer Leverkusen's condition this season, then I think even if the match is played in Germany, I will still believe Liverpool will not be defeated by Bayer Leverkusen. I personally basically do not underestimate Bayer Leverkusen but yes, because their conditions this season are at least clearly different, then I personally will remain  confident in Liverpool. But even so, I personally will still say that this is a match that will remain difficult for Liverpool.  Although I am very  confident to choose Liverpool to win in this match, but I believe that Bayer Leverkusen will still be difficult to beat, because Bayer Leverkusen still has a good effort and mentality under Xabi Alonso.

Leverkusen and Liverpool are both strong teams. Leverkusen's performance this season may have been somewhat erratic. But still I would say Leverkusen are fully capable of getting 3 points against Liverpool. So if Liverpool can't play well then the team will fail to get 3 points against Leverkusen.

Liverpool's performance against Arsenal in the last match of the Premier League was not very good. In particular, I would say that the performance of Liverpool's attacking players has been a bit slow this season. So if Leverkusen's defenders can play well against Liverpool then Leverkusen has a big chance of getting points against Liverpool.
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October 30, 2024, 03:28:23 PM
The match between Bayer Leverkusen and Liverpool will be one of the best matches of the Champions League. So I think it will not be a waste to watch that match. Liverpool is really effective and playing well in the Premier League. We hope Bayer Leverkusen was as good as last year. Leverkusen, who will play at Anfield this year, wants to surprise them. If they can do that, it will be very exciting.

If the game were played in Germany, I might say Bayer Leverkusen would have a chance, but I don’t see Liverpool dropping points against them at Anfield. I thought Liverpool would struggle after Klopp left, but Arne Slot has done an outstanding job so far, and I think he’ll continue to do so for a long time.

With Bayer Leverkusen's condition this season, then I think even if the match is played in Germany, I will still believe Liverpool will not be defeated by Bayer Leverkusen. I personally basically do not underestimate Bayer Leverkusen but yes, because their conditions this season are at least clearly different, then I personally will remain  confident in Liverpool. But even so, I personally will still say that this is a match that will remain difficult for Liverpool.  Although I am very  confident to choose Liverpool to win in this match, but I believe that Bayer Leverkusen will still be difficult to beat, because Bayer Leverkusen still has a good effort and mentality under Xabi Alonso.
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October 30, 2024, 03:27:28 PM
The best performing team in the English Premier League is Liverpool while the best performing team in the Bundesliga last season is Leverkusen so it goes without saying that the competition will be much tougher when it comes to the best teams in two different leagues. Liverpool are currently performing very consistently and they have good quality players in every position and every player has a good understanding with each player, it is expected that Liverpool will do well in this important Champions League match. I would prefer to bet on Liverpool in this match although the result could be different.

Excuse me! You said best performing team in Premier League is Liverpool? Are you using September month to make conclusions or you are using October because only Manchester City are at the top of the table and hasn't lost any match and they are doing well and similar to Bundesliga, Leverkusen tried last season to be at the top but are week now. Even though Bayern isn't doing well here yet but it's not over yet, two win isn't to send them among to 10

As much as I think there is going to be some changes later because we still have like 5 matches round for every team, that should be 15 additional potential points every team can look for to get a better place before the knockout stage but I'm not sure Leverkusen is like that last season team. They don't have much power to repeat what they did last season. They were already tired right from when they loss to Atlanta in Europa final due to multiple reported injuries of players.
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