UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread - page 17.

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I'm really curious about one thing especially and it is what manager we are going to see managing PSG as of next season. Pochettino is still rumoured to be sent from the team in this summer but there isn't still any clarification about that. Let's say that he is going to be sent then who will be their next manager? Is it going to be Zinedine Zidane as many people are hoping to see now? Or is it going to be an unexpected one? In my opinion Zidane should be their next manager to help them win the Champions League championship finally.

Zidane would be the best for PSG at this moment. Pochettino hasn't done so well for this team (also considering that isn't so easy to manage PSG). I guess that PSG is in need to be managed from a star that is able to

manage stars. So, Zidane is perfect for them.

Zidane is a good choice, he's good at attacking football but I feel Jose Mourinho has what it takes to get the champions league because of his diverse experience in different leagues, Zidane has only coached Real Madrid and he is still experimental as a manager. If Mourinho is given time he will be able to win the champions league for PSG

Zinedine Zidane and Jose Mourinho are indeed good choices for Paris Saint Germain to be able to compete even stronger in this Champions League. As we know Zinedine Zidane has been successful with Real Madrid in this Champions League. Jose Mourinho is also one of the coaches who can make an underdog team win.

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Despite everything, we shouldn't overlook Lionel Messi's performance last season. I also confirm that he isn't as good as his old times here. Isn't it completely normal? Because he isn't a young player anymore and he is playing for a completely different team after devoting his career to Barcelona for so many years. I'm still confident that he will play better than this next season. Besides I don't expect him to return to Barcelona anytime soon too.

Age is what is telling on Lionel Messi not to show his great skill , we all know how Lionel Messi performed when he was in Barcelona, then he was the world best. I don't think Lionel Messi can do more than the way he is right now , as he is ageing is performing skill is becoming weak.

Apart from the age factor as well as the game scheme, I think Messi's factor is not very visible. But that does not mean that he is not contributing, he is still contributing well but not as well as at the club he played for before. This is a natural thing when players experience a decline, as previously said Messi is also not young anymore.

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Quote from: Gianluca95 on June 11, 2022, 12:00:00 PM

Quote from: emrecemsan on June 11, 2022, 11:31:45 AM

I'm really curious about one thing especially and it is what manager we are going to see managing PSG as of next season. Pochettino is still rumoured to be sent from the team in this summer but there isn't still any clarification about that. Let's say that he is going to be sent then who will be their next manager? Is it going to be Zinedine Zidane as many people are hoping to see now? Or is it going to be an unexpected one? In my opinion Zidane should be their next manager to help them win the Champions League championship finally.

Zidane would be the best for PSG at this moment. Pochettino hasn't done so well for this team (also considering that isn't so easy to manage PSG). I guess that PSG is in need to be managed from a star that is able to

manage stars. So, Zidane is perfect for them.

Zidane is a good choice, he's good at attacking football but I feel Jose Mourinho has what it takes to get the champions league because of his diverse experience in different leagues, Zidane has only coached Real Madrid and he is still experimental as a manager. If Mourinho is given time he will be able to win the champions league for PSG

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on June 12, 2022, 02:54:54 AM

Quote from: lulumiya on June 11, 2022, 05:49:13 PM

Despite everything, we shouldn't overlook Lionel Messi's performance last season. I also confirm that he isn't as good as his old times here. Isn't it completely normal? Because he isn't a young player anymore and he is playing for a completely different team after devoting his career to Barcelona for so many years. I'm still confident that he will play better than this next season. Besides I don't expect him to return to Barcelona anytime soon too.

Yes, it's normal, when a player's performance goes up and down, it applies to all players, not just him. But the decline in form at Paris Saint Germain led many to speculate that he was only good at playing for Barcelona. I also don't blame those who say that, because they too must have their own opinion.

Messi has been too comfortable with barcelona so when he plays at another club like PSG then he will have a bit of difficulty, but despite all that, I think his performance is still quite good even though he is no longer as productive in scoring goals like in barcelona, but we have to admit that if messi continues to make a big contribution to PSG even though it is only in the form of assists, the influence of age may also make messi now no longer what it used to be and PSG certainly understands that they don't expect too much from messi this season, but maybe messi still needs adaptation at PSG so we can't condemn him as a complete failure and let's see what he can do in his second season with PSG later.

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Quote from: lulumiya on June 11, 2022, 05:49:13 PM

Despite everything, we shouldn't overlook Lionel Messi's performance last season. I also confirm that he isn't as good as his old times here. Isn't it completely normal? Because he isn't a young player anymore and he is playing for a completely different team after devoting his career to Barcelona for so many years. I'm still confident that he will play better than this next season. Besides I don't expect him to return to Barcelona anytime soon too.

Age is what is telling on Lionel Messi not to show his great skill , we all know how Lionel Messi performed when he was in Barcelona, then he was the world best. I don't think Lionel Messi can do more than the way he is right now , as he is ageing is performing skill is becoming weak.

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Quote from: lulumiya on June 11, 2022, 05:49:13 PM

Despite everything, we shouldn't overlook Lionel Messi's performance last season. I also confirm that he isn't as good as his old times here. Isn't it completely normal? Because he isn't a young player anymore and he is playing for a completely different team after devoting his career to Barcelona for so many years. I'm still confident that he will play better than this next season. Besides I don't expect him to return to Barcelona anytime soon too.

Yes, it's normal, when a player's performance goes up and down, it applies to all players, not just him. But the decline in form at Paris Saint Germain led many to speculate that he was only good at playing for Barcelona. I also don't blame those who say that, because they too must have their own opinion.

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Quote from: junmisakiro on June 12, 2022, 01:48:57 AM

the mentality on the European stage is needed in the Champions League, and only a few teams have that mentality, Manchester City don't have it. I agree with you even though Manchester City just signed Erling Haaland but Man City can't be favorites just because of that.
maybe my prediction Liverpool is a strong candidate to win the UCL next season besides Real Madrid.

Regardless of any considerations regarding Man City, I still believe City is a candidate from the Premier League who will play in the UCL final next season.
Although City were only satisfied with last season's UCL semifinals, Haland's arrival will provide an opportunity for City to perform better than last season.
I'm more worried about munchen and madrid as man.city barrier in ucl, because liverpool is in the same league with city so maybe the city is used to liverpool, while munchen and madrid they might only meet in this ucl competition and it will be difficult to predict the play of these two teams

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Quote from: Bobrox on June 12, 2022, 01:26:35 AM

Quote from: Pulsar77 on June 11, 2022, 04:25:39 PM

For next season, it is really too hard to predict the winner of the championship here. Because Manchester City have signed Erling Haaland and I think that they are really a complete team now. They can fight much harder for the championship. PSG only need a good coach like quite many people said already. If they manage to sign a coach like that then they would also be very challenging for the championship. Pochettino is a good one but not the one they need now. On the other hand we all know the Real Madrid threat for them again.

Not really interested or favorite with Manchester City as the winner of Champion League next season despite success arrived Erling Haaland, I think keep with mentality and full experience from Real Madrid as the candidate for getting Champion League trophy. The same what happen in this season were Real Madrid as team not really favorite for getting champion league trophy, but at the end Real Madrid success become the winner after impressive performance and success come back every match on 16 round, quarter final until on semifinal before looks easy match against with Liverpool on the final stage.

the mentality on the European stage is needed in the Champions League, and only a few teams have that mentality, Manchester City don't have it. I agree with you even though Manchester City just signed Erling Haaland but Man City can't be favorites just because of that.
maybe my prediction Liverpool is a strong candidate to win the UCL next season besides Real Madrid.

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For next season, it is really too hard to predict the winner of the championship here. Because Manchester City have signed Erling Haaland and I think that they are really a complete team now. They can fight much harder for the championship. PSG only need a good coach like quite many people said already. If they manage to sign a coach like that then they would also be very challenging for the championship. Pochettino is a good one but not the one they need now. On the other hand we all know the Real Madrid threat for them again.

Not really interested or favorite with Manchester City as the winner of Champion League next season despite success arrived Erling Haaland, I think keep with mentality and full experience from Real Madrid as the candidate for getting Champion League trophy. The same what happen in this season were Real Madrid as team not really favorite for getting champion league trophy, but at the end Real Madrid success become the winner after impressive performance and success come back every match on 16 round, quarter final until on semifinal before looks easy match against with Liverpool on the final stage.

Not sure Real Madrid will be a title winner candidate for next season, if this season Real Madrid are not considered for the title and end up getting the title. So, the next season if Real Madrid are considered to win the title from the start, then in the end Real Madrid could fail. Because sometimes expectations don't go smoothly, previously Manchester City was predicted to win the title but it fell out. So yes, even though Real Madrid still have a great squad but I personally don't believe Real Madrid will be able to defend its title. His rival teams continue to make major improvements, can't imagine if Zidane really accepts PSG's offer then it can be a real threat to the Champions League next season because it is no longer an empty hope.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on June 11, 2022, 04:25:39 PM

For next season, it is really too hard to predict the winner of the championship here. Because Manchester City have signed Erling Haaland and I think that they are really a complete team now. They can fight much harder for the championship. PSG only need a good coach like quite many people said already. If they manage to sign a coach like that then they would also be very challenging for the championship. Pochettino is a good one but not the one they need now. On the other hand we all know the Real Madrid threat for them again.

Not really interested or favorite with Manchester City as the winner of Champion League next season despite success arrived Erling Haaland, I think keep with mentality and full experience from Real Madrid as the candidate for getting Champion League trophy. The same what happen in this season were Real Madrid as team not really favorite for getting champion league trophy, but at the end Real Madrid success become the winner after impressive performance and success come back every match on 16 round, quarter final until on semifinal before looks easy match against with Liverpool on the final stage.

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Despite everything, we shouldn't overlook Lionel Messi's performance last season. I also confirm that he isn't as good as his old times here. Isn't it completely normal? Because he isn't a young player anymore and he is playing for a completely different team after devoting his career to Barcelona for so many years. I'm still confident that he will play better than this next season. Besides I don't expect him to return to Barcelona anytime soon too.

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We can give all the time of the world to Lionel Messi at PSG but I don't think that he will be as good as his times when he was at Barcelona. I think that we should accept this already. He can still increase his performance level of course but I don't think that he will be as good as Mbappe. PSG would like to see Messi performing near Mbappe actually to reach their goals easier especially in the Champions League. It is up to Messi to work hard and do better than this.

Messi's performance this season has been like that of an average player. Messi should not be expected to perform extraordinarily well now. However, in important matches, experienced players like Messi are very important in the squad. Although Mbappe is very talented, he is not experienced enough. However, although Messi has not performed well this season, he may be able to perform more consistently next season.

I think for a player like Messi this might be a decline but if you look at the adaptations he has made and his current age, we can't really say anything apart from his hard work, he is still quite good.
But indeed there are some problems for Messi at PSG especially when it comes to his country matches because there are times he seems to be pushing to play for the National Team on the other hand he was not in good shape last season and if he really wants to give his best at least he doesn't force things like this again in the coming season.

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Quote from: Minecache on June 11, 2022, 11:27:04 AM

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We can give all the time of the world to Lionel Messi at PSG but I don't think that he will be as good as his times when he was at Barcelona. I think that we should accept this already. He can still increase his performance level of course but I don't think that he will be as good as Mbappe. PSG would like to see Messi performing near Mbappe actually to reach their goals easier especially in the Champions League. It is up to Messi to work hard and do better than this.

Messi's performance this season has been like that of an average player. Messi should not be expected to perform extraordinarily well now. However, in important matches, experienced players like Messi are very important in the squad. Although Mbappe is very talented, he is not experienced enough. However, although Messi has not performed well this season, he may be able to perform more consistently next season.

I've watched quite a few match reviews and at the right moments they just don't give him a pass, as if the team can't hear him or just doesn't want to hear him. It just means that either they don't want him in this team or that he has no chemistry in this team, otherwise I don't know how to explain it... At the right moments when messi stands alone he just doesn't get a pass.

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Quote from: Minecache on June 11, 2022, 11:27:04 AM

Messi's performance this season has been like that of an average player. Messi should not be expected to perform extraordinarily well now.

Maybe this is influenced by his opportunity to perform and also work with other players. What is certain is that his playing points at PSG may not be the same as when he was at Barcelona where Messi became the point of contact for goals. While at PSG not. So he also can not play optimally. Likewise with Ronaldo, his brilliant career at Real Madrid could not be continued when he was at Man United. Indeed this often happens in the world of football to any player.

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Quote from: DU18 on June 11, 2022, 02:43:41 PM

Although still looking pretty good and productive but Benzema age has now reached 34 years and maybe 1 or 2 more seasons he will be able to maintain his performance, but in 2020 Benzema once said that he would not end his career at Madrid and he hinted to return to France and chose to retire there, that's why I think that maybe 2023 will be the end of Benzema career at Madrid and maybe he will return to the club (lyon) that has contributed the most to his career so far, right now his career is at the peak and that's why maybe he will continue to try to get the best before he actually decides to hang up his shoes.

It doesn't matter if Benzema will finally end his retirement at a club that has made his name known. However, performance and age will affect his productivity in playing. He is now at the pinnacle of proud achievement. So when he plans to end his retirement at Lyon, it means he will also give his best at Madrid for the last time.

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For next season, it is really too hard to predict the winner of the championship here. Because Manchester City have signed Erling Haaland and I think that they are really a complete team now. They can fight much harder for the championship. PSG only need a good coach like quite many people said already. If they manage to sign a coach like that then they would also be very challenging for the championship. Pochettino is a good one but not the one they need now. On the other hand we all know the Real Madrid threat for them again.

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Quote from: judas on June 11, 2022, 03:16:46 PM

PSG have no problem with the squad quality now that's for certain. The main problem of their not being able to win a Champions League title yet is that they need to be under the control of a right manager for them. If they do bring the right one then their chance of doing this would increase incredibly much. I believe PSG deserve to make it as much as Manchester City. I hope to see both of them as the champions here. They are teams that have the most qualified squads.

When it comes to the line-up, it is clear that Paris Saint Germain has a luxurious squad. But in the competition they are still difficult and lost to a team that does not have a squad as luxurious as theirs. Indeed, sometimes if a team is strengthened with many famous players it can't maximize it, and this happened to PSG. It should be with the squad they have now, they can compete even further.

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PSG have no problem with the squad quality now that's for certain. The main problem of their not being able to win a Champions League title yet is that they need to be under the control of a right manager for them. If they do bring the right one then their chance of doing this would increase incredibly much. I believe PSG deserve to make it as much as Manchester City. I hope to see both of them as the champions here. They are teams that have the most qualified squads.

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Quote from: mamesso on June 11, 2022, 12:53:33 AM

All of PSG players have no doubt of quality, the PSG squad is already filled with top players on all fronts, the biggest problem facing PSG because it has not been able to win the Champions League even though it already has the best squad. The role of the coach is very vital in a club, the coach also determines the tactics that will be used by his team when competing. The coach must be good at concocting players who will compete, so that his tactics become effective and efficient. PSG need a coach who is mature at European level and able to think to succeed the team he leads in every match, I think Zidane is very suitable to be in PSG coaching chair to be successful in the Champions League.

I guess it is not just about having the great players on your squad neither, but they do not have the best players or something like that on each position. Think about it this way, if it wasn't for Mbappe and Neymar and maybe now Messi, would we really see nunomendes or ramos at this age, or hakimietcetc as the best defensive line of ligue 1? They would be high up there for sure, or maybe even the best, but the front line makes sure that the other lines looks better as well.

I am guessing that without Mbappe alone, they would have been much worse. However, I agree that Zidane is much needed, there is no guarantee that he will win them UCL, but he will have a higher chance for sure.

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Quote from: Sterbens on June 11, 2022, 01:42:54 PM

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There has been a lot of rumours when it comes to Benzema future, the performance he put in the just concluded season both in champions league and la liga has brought him nomination of balloon d'or, his greatness didn't start today even with the presence of the best player in the world in the person of Christiano Ronaldo in the same team with him it didn't stop him from scoring goals, and as seen he doesn't have any intentions whatever to leave Real Madrid in the nearest future, the french man also takes his good performance to the national level as the as he doesn't stop scoring goals for the France team.

From what I've read, if I'm not mistaken Benzema will stay until 2023 at Real Madrid and after that, we will see him retire. But even that is not entirely certain and officially confirmed by Benzema. However, if you look at his productivity at Real Madrid, he is already very optimal, therefore he will present his last performance for Real Madrid. He is a loyal character to this team.

Although still looking pretty good and productive but Benzema age has now reached 34 years and maybe 1 or 2 more seasons he will be able to maintain his performance, but in 2020 Benzema once said that he would not end his career at Madrid and he hinted to return to France and chose to retire there, that's why I think that maybe 2023 will be the end of Benzema career at Madrid and maybe he will return to the club (lyon) that has contributed the most to his career so far, right now his career is at the peak and that's why maybe he will continue to try to get the best before he actually decides to hang up his shoes.

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