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Quote from: KTChampions on June 12, 2022, 11:41:58 AM

Quote from: Daniel91 on June 12, 2022, 07:34:25 AM

Honestly, it seems to me that Mourinho’s time has passed and that he is no longer a top coach with new ideas, as he was 10 years ago at his peak.
I think there are a lot better coaches than him right now, more innovative and modern, like Guardiola or Klopp.
There is another problem with Zidane. While coaching Real Madrid he achieved great results in the Champions League, but not so much because of the system or the game plan, but more based on the individual quality of the players.
That’s why he was much worse with Real in the Spanish football league and doesn’t have a lot of Spanish league titles.
I’m not sure they’re a good choice for PSG.

I wonder how Klopp's innovativeness manifests itself in your opinion? His team plays the same football as 5 and 10 years ago.
As for Guardiola, I can't think of anything about him that would make him stand out among hundreds of other coaches. His only "innovation" is to get a top team and take titles with it - Barcelona then Bayern with which he could not win the Champions League and now City which spend space money on football players but again he cannot win the Champions League.

I don't think that only winning the Champions League should suggest the quality of a coach. But in this case, exceptions can be made because Pep Guardiola has a very good team playing under him.
I really think that he should have won the Champions League this time with Manchester City. But they have lost to Real Madrid which absolutely can be said did not have a very good squad, hope they will be able to do better in the next season.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 12, 2022, 07:34:25 AM

Honestly, it seems to me that Mourinho’s time has passed and that he is no longer a top coach with new ideas, as he was 10 years ago at his peak.
I think there are a lot better coaches than him right now, more innovative and modern, like Guardiola or Klopp.
There is another problem with Zidane. While coaching Real Madrid he achieved great results in the Champions League, but not so much because of the system or the game plan, but more based on the individual quality of the players.
That’s why he was much worse with Real in the Spanish football league and doesn’t have a lot of Spanish league titles.
I’m not sure they’re a good choice for PSG.

I wonder how Klopp's innovativeness manifests itself in your opinion? His team plays the same football as 5 and 10 years ago.
As for Guardiola, I can't think of anything about him that would make him stand out among hundreds of other coaches. His only "innovation" is to get a top team and take titles with it - Barcelona then Bayern with which he could not win the Champions League and now City which spend space money on football players but again he cannot win the Champions League.

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Quote from: suryana on June 12, 2022, 07:40:55 AM

Manchester city has always been the favorite to win in the European Champions league in recent seasons, especially with the arrival of Erling Haaland to the Etihad stadium, which will add ammunition as strong as Manchester city, especially as Haaland is such a prolific player, but problems arose for Manchester city when they reached the semifinals and also their finals are often difficult against teams from Spain and also Germany such as the defeat to real Madrid in the semifinals a few months ago shows that Manchester city is not a team with a winning mentality in Europe despite appearing so extraordinary from the preliminary phase to the semifinals, let alone they grab the trouble when facing Real Madrid

Yes, it is funny City are always strong contenders/favorites to win the CL, but they just let us down time and again, last season was no different, after a brilliant display/performance against Real Madrid, they still surprisingly failed to qualify for the final, and yet again let everyone supporting them, inclusing myself, down. I think i have to agree with City having a 'mentality' problem in the CL, they play brilliant football, dominate the games, but just when they should compose themselves and get over the line, they disappoint, it is crazy to say the least.

Haaland has arrived at the Etihad, further increasing their chances and making them top favorites for the crown yet again this season, he could actually be very pivotal, especially in the 18 yard box, there are times when City need someone loitering there, someone to finish off a good move, someone clinical, but is is most times lacking, Haaland could solve that issue, and who knows they could be champions of Europe this season, and break the mentality barrier holding them back.

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They are great, it's time we start thinking them honestly.

the world has seen both of them are the best players now. Both players received many awards. now they may not be able to perform as well as they used to. maybe even after 1 or 2 more seasons, they will retire as professional players. but they have been in the history of world football. and each of the world's top players carves out their own story.

These two players have big names in football, almost no one does not know ronaldo and messi. To date, the two players are ranked 1st and 2nd as the all-time top scorer of the UEFA Champions League. This proves that these two players are part of history in the course of the UCL competition, but that glory may soon be over and age is one of the factors in the decline of Messi and Ronaldo's achievements in football.

I think the two players you mentioned earlier have ended their era. We are very lucky to be able to watch them play football, it is very difficult if not impossible there will be another era like they did. But if you look at the top scorers in the history of the Champions League, maybe there are several young players who have a chance to compete with Ronaldo and Messi, namely Mbappe and Halaand. now maybe they have a great opportunity to make a new history because they are both still young.

I disagree with you that Ronaldo and Mess's era has ended. This two great players have been consistent in the game for more than ten years now winning trophies and scoring notable goals and because they are a bit aged you say their era has ended no, Mbappe and Halaand may be younger like now but they can only try to compete with them but they can't overshadow Ronaldo and Messi till they retire. Ronaldo was affected last season because Man United was in poor form yet his performance was good and he was rewarded as the Manchester United player of the season, Messi moved from Barcelona to PSG, he scored goals, helped the team to win the French League so I think both players are still in the game.

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Quote from: Luzin on June 12, 2022, 10:54:31 AM

Then the young players in spain at the moment only Vini are starting to look better. Aubameyang is already 32 years old, maybe he will start to decline. Hoping the appeal of the league is indeed since the departure of Ronaldo and Messi the Spanish league looks deserted. Seeing a new star might be there but I don't know when. There hasn't been a stable young player like the two of them until old age.

I admit that the presence of Ronaldo and Messi in La Liga has had a huge impact on the League itself, they are the best players of the last decade. Especially for the team they both played for, it was a great time in my opinion. But with the presence of these potential young players, it also gives a new color to the current La Liga.

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Quote from: Sterbens on June 12, 2022, 10:17:03 AM

I don't think I see that potential in Mbappe right now before he actually left PSG and pursued a career that gave more valuable lessons about an uphill battle, but for a Haaland, his career is definitely quite potential in the future. It's just a matter of waiting for the race between Mbappe and Haaland. On the other hand, we have Vini Jr, Mane, Aubameyang, and many more Spanish League players who can give a new color to the future era.

What do you mean Mane is Sadio mane?
Where did it go? is it to spain? I only heard the news that Bayern Munich had made his offer. Besides, it seems that there is no official news yet where he is going.
Then the young players in spain at the moment only Vini are starting to look better. Aubameyang is already 32 years old, maybe he will start to decline. Hoping the appeal of the league is indeed since the departure of Ronaldo and Messi the Spanish league looks deserted. Seeing a new star might be there but I don't know when. There hasn't been a stable young player like the two of them until old age.

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Quote from: lulumiya on June 11, 2022, 05:49:13 PM

Despite everything, we shouldn't overlook Lionel Messi's performance last season. I also confirm that he isn't as good as his old times here. Isn't it completely normal? Because he isn't a young player anymore and he is playing for a completely different team after devoting his career to Barcelona for so many years. I'm still confident that he will play better than this next season. Besides I don't expect him to return to Barcelona anytime soon too.

I don't really think Messi will go back to Barcelona. We all knew why he left the club. Barcelona wasn't financially capable of paying him again because of the financial difficulties they were encountering. And up til now Barcelona is still financial unbalanced. Although, Messi performance last season was not bad. But, hopefully he will surely perform more better next season. He indeed play in Barcelona for so many years, and will need some quality time to adapt to PSG pattern of playing.

I think Messi was not very well last year. We all know that he has a very good bond with Barcelona, but to be realistic, we couldn't watch Messi in Barcelona after he transferred to Paris SG. Therefore, if he returns to Barcelona, he will have to sacrifice his salary and play as before. To be honest, I think Messi will retire from Paris SG now.

I don't think that will be possible for Messi to return to Barcelona like w-jr rightly said the player will retire from his present contract since his time in football is almost up and age is no longer on Messi's side so whatever it is Paris SG fills Messi is under performing in their club that can make his retirement faster.

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Quote from: suryana on June 12, 2022, 07:40:55 AM

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the mentality on the European stage is needed in the Champions League, and only a few teams have that mentality, Manchester City don't have it. I agree with you even though Manchester City just signed Erling Haaland but Man City can't be favorites just because of that.
maybe my prediction Liverpool is a strong candidate to win the UCL next season besides Real Madrid.

Regardless of any considerations regarding Man City, I still believe City is a candidate from the Premier League who will play in the UCL final next season.
Although City were only satisfied with last season's UCL semifinals, Haland's arrival will provide an opportunity for City to perform better than last season.
I'm more worried about munchen and madrid as man.city barrier in ucl, because liverpool is in the same league with city so maybe the city is used to liverpool, while munchen and madrid they might only meet in this ucl competition and it will be difficult to predict the play of these two teams

Manchester city has always been the favorite to win in the European Champions league in recent seasons, especially with the arrival of Erling Haaland to the Etihad stadium, which will add ammunition as strong as Manchester city, especially as Haaland is such a prolific player, but problems arose for Manchester city when they reached the semifinals and also their finals are often difficult against teams from Spain and also Germany such as the defeat to real Madrid in the semifinals a few months ago shows that Manchester city is not a team with a winning mentality in Europe despite appearing so extraordinary from the preliminary phase to the semifinals, let alone they grab the trouble when facing Real Madrid

The influx of excessive money into the club attracted quality players to Manchester City. Manchester City has one of the best teams in Europe. They dominate their domestic league as champions. I think the reason they brought in Pep Guardiola was to win the champions league, they were close to winning the champions league this year. They started brilliantly. I believe they will get the next one.

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Quote from: blackened515 on June 12, 2022, 09:21:03 AM

Quote from: lulumiya on June 11, 2022, 05:49:13 PM

Despite everything, we shouldn't overlook Lionel Messi's performance last season. I also confirm that he isn't as good as his old times here. Isn't it completely normal? Because he isn't a young player anymore and he is playing for a completely different team after devoting his career to Barcelona for so many years. I'm still confident that he will play better than this next season. Besides I don't expect him to return to Barcelona anytime soon too.

I don't really think Messi will go back to Barcelona. We all knew why he left the club. Barcelona wasn't financially capable of paying him again because of the financial difficulties they were encountering. And up til now Barcelona is still financial unbalanced. Although, Messi performance last season was not bad. But, hopefully he will surely perform more better next season. He indeed play in Barcelona for so many years, and will need some quality time to adapt to PSG pattern of playing.

I think Messi was not very good last year. We all know that he has a very good bond with Barcelona, but to be realistic, we couldn't watch Messi in Barcelona after he transferred to Paris SG. Therefore, if he returns to Barcelona, he will have to sacrifice his salary and play as before. To be honest, I think Messi will retire from Paris SG now.

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Quote from: suryana on June 12, 2022, 07:40:55 AM

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the mentality on the European stage is needed in the Champions League, and only a few teams have that mentality, Manchester City don't have it. I agree with you even though Manchester City just signed Erling Haaland but Man City can't be favorites just because of that.
maybe my prediction Liverpool is a strong candidate to win the UCL next season besides Real Madrid.

Regardless of any considerations regarding Man City, I still believe City is a candidate from the Premier League who will play in the UCL final next season.
Although City were only satisfied with last season's UCL semifinals, Haland's arrival will provide an opportunity for City to perform better than last season.
I'm more worried about munchen and madrid as man.city barrier in ucl, because liverpool is in the same league with city so maybe the city is used to liverpool, while munchen and madrid they might only meet in this ucl competition and it will be difficult to predict the play of these two teams

Manchester city has always been the favorite to win in the European Champions league in recent seasons, especially with the arrival of Erling Haaland to the Etihad stadium, which will add ammunition as strong as Manchester city, especially as Haaland is such a prolific player, but problems arose for Manchester city when they reached the semifinals and also their finals are often difficult against teams from Spain and also Germany such as the defeat to real Madrid in the semifinals a few months ago shows that Manchester city is not a team with a winning mentality in Europe despite appearing so extraordinary from the preliminary phase to the semifinals, let alone they grab the trouble when facing Real Madrid

The influx of excessive money into the club attracted quality players to Manchester City. Manchester City has one of the best teams in Europe. They dominate their domestic league as champions. I think the reason they brought in Pep Guardiola was to win the champions league, they were close this year. I believe they will get the next one.

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Quote from: superman184 on June 12, 2022, 10:03:17 AM

maybe there are several young players who have a chance to compete with Ronaldo and Messi, namely Mbappe and Halaand. now maybe they have a great opportunity to make a new history because they are both still young.

I don't think I see that potential in Mbappe right now before he actually left PSG and pursued a career that gave more valuable lessons about an uphill battle, but for a Haaland, his career is definitely quite potential in the future. It's just a matter of waiting for the race between Mbappe and Haaland. On the other hand, we have Vini Jr, Mane, Aubameyang, and many more Spanish League players who can give a new color to the future era.

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Quote from: udidrone on June 12, 2022, 09:26:33 AM

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Quote from: rby on June 12, 2022, 09:02:34 AM

They are great, it's time we start thinking them honestly.

the world has seen both of them are the best players now. Both players received many awards. now they may not be able to perform as well as they used to. maybe even after 1 or 2 more seasons, they will retire as professional players. but they have been in the history of world football. and each of the world's top players carves out their own story.

These two players have big names in football, almost no one does not know ronaldo and messi. To date, the two players are ranked 1st and 2nd as the all-time top scorer of the UEFA Champions League. This proves that these two players are part of history in the course of the UCL competition, but that glory may soon be over and age is one of the factors in the decline of Messi and Ronaldo's achievements in football.

I think the two players you mentioned earlier have ended their era. We are very lucky to be able to watch them play football, it is very difficult if not impossible there will be another era like they did. But if you look at the top scorers in the history of the Champions League, maybe there are several young players who have a chance to compete with Ronaldo and Messi, namely Mbappe and Halaand. now maybe they have a great opportunity to make a new history because they are both still young.

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Quote from: rozak on June 12, 2022, 09:11:37 AM

Quote from: rby on June 12, 2022, 09:02:34 AM

They are great, it's time we start thinking them honestly.

the world has seen both of them are the best players now. Both players received many awards. now they may not be able to perform as well as they used to. maybe even after 1 or 2 more seasons, they will retire as professional players. but they have been in the history of world football. and each of the world's top players carves out their own story.

These two players have big names in football, almost no one does not know ronaldo and messi. To date, the two players are ranked 1st and 2nd as the all-time top scorer of the UEFA Champions League. This proves that these two players are part of history in the course of the UCL competition, but that glory may soon be over and age is one of the factors in the decline of Messi and Ronaldo's achievements in football.

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Quote from: lulumiya on June 11, 2022, 05:49:13 PM

Despite everything, we shouldn't overlook Lionel Messi's performance last season. I also confirm that he isn't as good as his old times here. Isn't it completely normal? Because he isn't a young player anymore and he is playing for a completely different team after devoting his career to Barcelona for so many years. I'm still confident that he will play better than this next season. Besides I don't expect him to return to Barcelona anytime soon too.

I don't really think Messi will go back to Barcelona. We all knew why he left the club. Barcelona wasn't financially capable of paying him again because of the financial difficulties they were encountering. And up til now Barcelona is still financial unbalanced. Although, Messi performance last season was not bad. But, hopefully he will surely perform more better next season. He indeed play in Barcelona for so many years, and will need some quality time to adapt to PSG pattern of playing.

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Quote from: rby on June 12, 2022, 09:02:34 AM

They are great, it's time we start thinking them honestly.

the world has seen both of them are the best players now. Both players received many awards. now they may not be able to perform as well as they used to. maybe even after 1 or 2 more seasons, they will retire as professional players. but they have been in the history of world football. and each of the world's top players carves out their own story.

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Quote from: Gosgosking on June 12, 2022, 03:54:05 AM

Quote from: lulumiya on June 11, 2022, 05:49:13 PM

Despite everything, we shouldn't overlook Lionel Messi's performance last season. I also confirm that he isn't as good as his old times here. Isn't it completely normal? Because he isn't a young player anymore and he is playing for a completely different team after devoting his career to Barcelona for so many years. I'm still confident that he will play better than this next season. Besides I don't expect him to return to Barcelona anytime soon too.

Age is what is telling on Lionel Messi not to show his great skill , we all know how Lionel Messi performed when he was in Barcelona, then he was the world best. I don't think Lionel Messi can do more than the way he is right now , as he is ageing is performing skill is becoming weak.

Nature is something anyone should not overlook. The nature can't be cheated. Messi and Ronaldo have played the most amazing football in history of football but they can't perform as it was in 3 seasons ago.
But at their old age, they are still better than many players. Messi is younger than Ronaldo and he is expected to be performing more than Ronaldo by now but I do not understand why it didn't happen so.
Well, let us see how this coming season will be for both great players. I doubt they have anything else new or special to give to football lovers.

They are great, it's time we start thinking them honestly.

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Quote from: lulumiya on June 11, 2022, 05:49:13 PM

Despite everything, we shouldn't overlook Lionel Messi's performance last season. I also confirm that he isn't as good as his old times here. Isn't it completely normal? Because he isn't a young player anymore and he is playing for a completely different team after devoting his career to Barcelona for so many years. I'm still confident that he will play better than this next season. Besides I don't expect him to return to Barcelona anytime soon too.

Age is what is telling on Lionel Messi not to show his great skill , we all know how Lionel Messi performed when he was in Barcelona, then he was the world best. I don't think Lionel Messi can do more than the way he is right now , as he is ageing is performing skill is becoming weak.

Apart from the age factor as well as the game scheme, I think Messi's factor is not very visible. But that does not mean that he is not contributing, he is still contributing well but not as well as at the club he played for before. This is a natural thing when players experience a decline, as previously said Messi is also not young anymore.

The fans have lots of expectation from Messi and Ronaldo - they think that in every match they have to perform wonderful. The expectations are always high, and ofcourse they both tries to come upto the expectation but if in match they are unable to perform then the fans are so much disappointed.

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Quote from: zuzie on June 12, 2022, 02:36:33 AM

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the mentality on the European stage is needed in the Champions League, and only a few teams have that mentality, Manchester City don't have it. I agree with you even though Manchester City just signed Erling Haaland but Man City can't be favorites just because of that.
maybe my prediction Liverpool is a strong candidate to win the UCL next season besides Real Madrid.

Regardless of any considerations regarding Man City, I still believe City is a candidate from the Premier League who will play in the UCL final next season.
Although City were only satisfied with last season's UCL semifinals, Haland's arrival will provide an opportunity for City to perform better than last season.
I'm more worried about munchen and madrid as man.city barrier in ucl, because liverpool is in the same league with city so maybe the city is used to liverpool, while munchen and madrid they might only meet in this ucl competition and it will be difficult to predict the play of these two teams

Manchester city has always been the favorite to win in the European Champions league in recent seasons, especially with the arrival of Erling Haaland to the Etihad stadium, which will add ammunition as strong as Manchester city, especially as Haaland is such a prolific player, but problems arose for Manchester city when they reached the semifinals and also their finals are often difficult against teams from Spain and also Germany such as the defeat to real Madrid in the semifinals a few months ago shows that Manchester city is not a team with a winning mentality in Europe despite appearing so extraordinary from the preliminary phase to the semifinals, let alone they grab the trouble when facing Real Madrid

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I'm really curious about one thing especially and it is what manager we are going to see managing PSG as of next season. Pochettino is still rumoured to be sent from the team in this summer but there isn't still any clarification about that. Let's say that he is going to be sent then who will be their next manager? Is it going to be Zinedine Zidane as many people are hoping to see now? Or is it going to be an unexpected one? In my opinion Zidane should be their next manager to help them win the Champions League championship finally.

Zidane would be the best for PSG at this moment. Pochettino hasn't done so well for this team (also considering that isn't so easy to manage PSG). I guess that PSG is in need to be managed from a star that is able to

manage stars. So, Zidane is perfect for them.

Zidane is a good choice, he's good at attacking football but I feel Jose Mourinho has what it takes to get the champions league because of his diverse experience in different leagues, Zidane has only coached Real Madrid and he is still experimental as a manager. If Mourinho is given time he will be able to win the champions league for PSG

Zinedine Zidane and Jose Mourinho are indeed good choices for Paris Saint Germain to be able to compete even stronger in this Champions League. As we know Zinedine Zidane has been successful with Real Madrid in this Champions League. Jose Mourinho is also one of the coaches who can make an underdog team win.

Right, Jose Mourinho won the champions league with an underdog Porto team. I think PSG have to decide what kind of club they want to be and who's going to manage the team. Mourinho is the type of manager they need, PSG locker room needs a manager that's not afraid to discipline the players, Mourinho is known for his temper, he wouldn't tolerate laziness from the players no matter their stats

Honestly, it seems to me that Mourinho’s time has passed and that he is no longer a top coach with new ideas, as he was 10 years ago at his peak.
I think there are a lot better coaches than him right now, more innovative and modern, like Guardiola or Klopp.
There is another problem with Zidane. While coaching Real Madrid he achieved great results in the Champions League, but not so much because of the system or the game plan, but more based on the individual quality of the players.
That’s why he was much worse with Real in the Spanish football league and doesn’t have a lot of Spanish league titles.
I’m not sure they’re a good choice for PSG.

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I'm really curious about one thing especially and it is what manager we are going to see managing PSG as of next season. Pochettino is still rumoured to be sent from the team in this summer but there isn't still any clarification about that. Let's say that he is going to be sent then who will be their next manager? Is it going to be Zinedine Zidane as many people are hoping to see now? Or is it going to be an unexpected one? In my opinion Zidane should be their next manager to help them win the Champions League championship finally.

Zidane would be the best for PSG at this moment. Pochettino hasn't done so well for this team (also considering that isn't so easy to manage PSG). I guess that PSG is in need to be managed from a star that is able to

manage stars. So, Zidane is perfect for them.

Zidane is a good choice, he's good at attacking football but I feel Jose Mourinho has what it takes to get the champions league because of his diverse experience in different leagues, Zidane has only coached Real Madrid and he is still experimental as a manager. If Mourinho is given time he will be able to win the champions league for PSG

Zinedine Zidane and Jose Mourinho are indeed good choices for Paris Saint Germain to be able to compete even stronger in this Champions League. As we know Zinedine Zidane has been successful with Real Madrid in this Champions League. Jose Mourinho is also one of the coaches who can make an underdog team win.

Right, Jose Mourinho won the champions league with an underdog Porto team. I think PSG have to decide what kind of club they want to be and who's going to manage the team. Mourinho is the type of manager they need, PSG locker room needs a manager that's not afraid to discipline the players, Mourinho is known for his temper, he wouldn't tolerate laziness from the players no matter their stats

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