UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread - page 38.

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Quote from: skarais on June 01, 2022, 06:55:55 AM

Quote from: hahay on June 01, 2022, 01:20:13 AM

Well, it seems we are all aware, if the real hero in the match was Courtois who played well and managed to save a lot of shots. Maybe if Courtois plays badly then we'll see Real Madrid concede some goals even though they defend, right? Although I'm not saying Real Madrid's win is luck, we realize that Real Madrid are lucky to have Courtois who is highly motivated so he can play really well in the final. Because even though they play defensively, when their goalkeeper plays badly, the defense they apply will be useless.

Yes, Courtois was the hero of Real Madrid's victory because of his excellent performance that night. Maybe you're right if his form was bad Real Madrid would have conceded a few goals, but he really did his job until the end of the match. It was a great performance that he will remember later in his retirement.

I think it is wrong to say that Courtois was great only in the finals and saved Real that night.
He was actually great all season and saved Real many times, especially in the Champions League.
Just look at his magnificent statistics and you will see that no other goalkeeper is close to him in terms of the number of defenses and direct impact on the result.
Without him, Real would not be even close to the finals this season.
What is amazing is that in many polls he is not even among the top 3 best goalkeepers in Europe and some polls did not even rank him among the top 10. Unbelievable and incomprehensible.

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Quote from: hahay on June 01, 2022, 01:20:13 AM

Well, it seems we are all aware, if the real hero in the match was Courtois who played well and managed to save a lot of shots. Maybe if Courtois plays badly then we'll see Real Madrid concede some goals even though they defend, right? Although I'm not saying Real Madrid's win is luck, we realize that Real Madrid are lucky to have Courtois who is highly motivated so he can play really well in the final. Because even though they play defensively, when their goalkeeper plays badly, the defense they apply will be useless.

Yes, Courtois was the hero of Real Madrid's victory because of his excellent performance that night. Maybe you're right if his form was bad Real Madrid would have conceded a few goals, but he really did his job until the end of the match. It was a great performance that he will remember later in his retirement.

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Quote from: hahay on May 31, 2022, 08:54:43 AM

I personally saw it from a different angle because Real Madrid played like a mediocre team against the favourites, Real Madrid's game play in the final didn't reflect they were a big team. Real Madrid only plays defensively and that gameplay is the usual gameplay used by mediocre teams when playing against top teams and therefore, even though Real Madrid won, I wasn't quite happy with the gameplay like that applied by Real Madrid.

I can understand that people do not like defensive play, as without a doubt it is way more fun to see both teams to try their best to score as many goals as possible, so in that regard I can understand your issues with Real Madrid, however defensive play is an important aspect of any sport and it is as valid as offensive play, and not only that, defensive proficiency is so important that in many sports the one that can defend the best is usually the one that wins.

From my point of view actually both teams play with an incentive to attack even though Liverpool are more in control of the game but when Liverpool players lose the ball then Maddrid players also try to attack both teams want to always attack but Liverpool press with four or five people so they experience a bit difficulty for Maddrid players to build attacks does not mean Maddrid apply defensive play in the match.

Liverpool's players have attacked a lot. Liverpool played attacking from the beginning to the end of the match. As a result, Real Madrid could not create the opportunity to attack too much. From the counter attack though they tried to score. But the number was very low. However, Real Madrid won, Liverpool could not score a single goal despite a lot of attacks. This is their failure.

I think Real Madrid was able to win the Champions League title thanks to Ancelotti's precise strategy. Statistically, Real Madrid has lost to Liverpool. Ancelotti is very smart in reading the opponent's tactics, so he looks for solutions to reduce the pace of Liverpool's game and maximize empty gaps to take advantage of opportunities. But apart from strategy, experience and winning mentality have also greatly influenced Real Madrid's success this season.

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Quote from: Despairo on June 01, 2022, 06:17:31 AM

Quote from: Piesel on June 01, 2022, 05:06:50 AM

I never expected anything different from the final result of the champion league, Liverpool has not created enough history in the championship to be compared to Real Madrid. Going by past analysis and records Real Madrid is known for their ownership of the champions league Crown and haven't taken the trophy multiple times Liverpool only have a few championship trophy on their record, so with records, Real Madrid is more experience in the champions league than Liverpool.

I'd say the club that didn't get many trophy is more motivated and passionated rather than the club that had already got many trophies. This because usually they're already confident and satisfied with their record, so they wouldn't try harder to achieve more trophy. If you have watched the final match, you will see how Liverpool's players is really put a lot effort to make a score, especially Salah.

believe me, this is not all just a matter of trophies they get when they become champions. and how much the teams in Europe can get.
it's all business-related. therefore getting titles and trophies will always be a motivation for all clubs. no matter how much they got. for the smooth running of their business. All clubs want to be champions.

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Quote from: Piesel on June 01, 2022, 05:06:50 AM

I never expected anything different from the final result of the champion league, Liverpool has not created enough history in the championship to be compared to Real Madrid. Going by past analysis and records Real Madrid is known for their ownership of the champions league Crown and haven't taken the trophy multiple times Liverpool only have a few championship trophy on their record, so with records, Real Madrid is more experience in the champions league than Liverpool.

I'd say the club that didn't get many trophy is more motivated and passionated rather than the club that had already got many trophies. This because usually they're already confident and satisfied with their record, so they wouldn't try harder to achieve more trophy. If you have watched the final match, you will see how Liverpool's players is really put a lot effort to make a score, especially Salah.

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I never expected anything different from the final result of the champion league, Liverpool has not created enough history in the championship to be compared to Real Madrid. Going by past analysis and records Real Madrid is known for their ownership of the champions league Crown and haven't taken the trophy multiple times Liverpool only have a few championship trophy on their record, so with records, Real Madrid is more experience in the champions league than Liverpool.

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Quote from: bastisisca on June 01, 2022, 04:17:48 AM

Liverpool all life, Klopp is a great coach and deserves to win another Champions, after the one he lost to Karius and with Ramos knocking down Salah in the first tackle. It will seem strange but Klopp has only coached 3 teams in 21 years of career, not like Ancelotti and many other great coaches who change teams every three years to exploit their players without leaving anything, the German is one who builds and wins over distance. One of a kind of him, always among the greats.

we hope it will succeed next year

It can be seen from Jurgen Klopp's interviews with several media that it turns out that Klopp is still finding it difficult to accept Liverpool's defeat
in the Champions League final. Klopp said Liverpool deserved to win because Liverpool were more dominant and had more chances. Klopp's statement
does make sense if we look at the match statistics Liverpool made 24 shots and 9 of them were on target. While Real Madrid only made 4 shots
and 2 were on target. Then for possession of the ball, Liverpool also slightly dominated. So I can understand why Klopp is very disappointed with
Liverpool's loss in the Champions League final. But Jurgen Klopp is still optimistic that Liverpool will return to the Champions League final next season,
but can Liverpool return to the final, because other big European teams will also want to enter the Champions League final. For me it is very difficult
to predict which team will qualify for the Champions League final, because I think the Champions League next season will be even tougher.

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Quote from: bastisisca on June 01, 2022, 04:17:48 AM

Liverpool all life, Klopp is a great coach and deserves to win another Champions, after the one he lost to Karius and with Ramos knocking down Salah in the first tackle. It will seem strange but Klopp has only coached 3 teams in 21 years of career, not like Ancelotti and many other great coaches who change teams every three years to exploit their players without leaving anything, the German is one who builds and wins over distance. One of a kind of him, always among the greats.

we hope it will succeed next year

no one doubts Klopp is a great coach, he has won a lot with Liverpool and it was a long wait, Klopp's arrival had a very positive impact on Liverpool's progress.
In the last 5 years, Liverpool have been in 3 UCL finals and have won it once. That's a great achievement in my opinion.
And for next year, Klopp is very confident that he will be in Istanbul to play another final, I don't think it's impossible.

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Quote from: Davian144 on June 01, 2022, 01:42:03 AM

Next season Real Madrid will still be a strong candidate in the race for the title of any League because consistency and direction from a very experienced coach has always been the key to the success of the Real Madrid team in every match in the League. So for this season Real Madrid deserve to party to celebrate the victory they have achieved and also for next season, Real Madrid will also try to return for the same.

I think that Real Madrid is not only a strong candidate to win the Champions League trophy next season. I think Liverpool, Manchester City, PSG, Barcelona and AC Milan are also strong candidates to win the Champions League trophy next season. Every competition there is always a surprise team and we cannot decide which team has the strongest candidate to win the Champions League trophy.

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Quote from: tarable on June 01, 2022, 04:05:14 AM

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on May 31, 2022, 10:47:36 PM

This is normal. It is the team with the most Champions Leagues by far the second. Add to this the fact that winning the Champions League has a snowball effect, as it will automatically bring in more revenue than it already had, and Madrid will be favourites in any upcoming season. A lot would have to change for that not to be the case.

Next season Real Madrid will still be a strong candidate in the race for the title of any League because consistency and direction from a very experienced coach has always been the key to the success of the Real Madrid team in every match in the League. So for this season Real Madrid deserve to party to celebrate the victory they have achieved and also for next season, Real Madrid will also try to return for the same.

Real Madrid won the 2021/2022 UEFA Champions League with their hard work starting from the group stage and being able to thwart big teams from France and England who have extraordinary quality so they deserve to lift the UCL trophy.

In La Liga they are a little easier because their toughest rivals such as Barcelona and Atletico Madrid have experienced some obstacles that make it difficult for them to catch Real Madrid points.

Next season in the UCL Real Madrid will experience difficulties because other teams such as Liverpool, AC Milan, PSG, Manchester City and Barcelona will prepare for the need to win the UCL.

Several teams that qualify for the champions league next season are now starting to make improvements to their squad, many teams from various leagues in europe have purchased players to strengthen the skuad in facing domestic competitions and the champions league, chelsea, barcelona, PSG, manchester city, juventus and Munich is unlikely to silent after their failure this season in the Champions League, I think the competition next season will be more competitive than this season, because many of the leagues in Europe have sent their representatives to champions league with majority of whom are big clubs and have more qualified squads.

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Quote from: bounceback on June 01, 2022, 02:16:43 AM

Quote from: Silberman on May 31, 2022, 04:06:30 PM

Quote from: hahay on May 31, 2022, 08:54:43 AM

I personally saw it from a different angle because Real Madrid played like a mediocre team against the favourites, Real Madrid's game play in the final didn't reflect they were a big team. Real Madrid only plays defensively and that gameplay is the usual gameplay used by mediocre teams when playing against top teams and therefore, even though Real Madrid won, I wasn't quite happy with the gameplay like that applied by Real Madrid.

I can understand that people do not like defensive play, as without a doubt it is way more fun to see both teams to try their best to score as many goals as possible, so in that regard I can understand your issues with Real Madrid, however defensive play is an important aspect of any sport and it is as valid as offensive play, and not only that, defensive proficiency is so important that in many sports the one that can defend the best is usually the one that wins.

From my point of view actually both teams play with an incentive to attack even though Liverpool are more in control of the game but when Liverpool players lose the ball then Maddrid players also try to attack both teams want to always attack but Liverpool press with four or five people so they experience a bit difficulty for Maddrid players to build attacks does not mean Maddrid apply defensive play in the match.

Liverpool's players have attacked a lot. Liverpool played attacking from the beginning to the end of the match. As a result, Real Madrid could not create the opportunity to attack too much. From the counter attack though they tried to score. But the number was very low. However, Real Madrid won, Liverpool could not score a single goal despite a lot of attacks. This is their failure.

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Liverpool all life, Klopp is a great coach and deserves to win another Champions, after the one he lost to Karius and with Ramos knocking down Salah in the first tackle. It will seem strange but Klopp has only coached 3 teams in 21 years of career, not like Ancelotti and many other great coaches who change teams every three years to exploit their players without leaving anything, the German is one who builds and wins over distance. One of a kind of him, always among the greats.

we hope it will succeed next year

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Quote from: Davian144 on June 01, 2022, 01:42:03 AM

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on May 31, 2022, 10:47:36 PM

This is normal. It is the team with the most Champions Leagues by far the second. Add to this the fact that winning the Champions League has a snowball effect, as it will automatically bring in more revenue than it already had, and Madrid will be favourites in any upcoming season. A lot would have to change for that not to be the case.

Next season Real Madrid will still be a strong candidate in the race for the title of any League because consistency and direction from a very experienced coach has always been the key to the success of the Real Madrid team in every match in the League. So for this season Real Madrid deserve to party to celebrate the victory they have achieved and also for next season, Real Madrid will also try to return for the same.

Real Madrid won the 2021/2022 UEFA Champions League with their hard work starting from the group stage and being able to thwart big teams from France and England who have extraordinary quality so they deserve to lift the UCL trophy.

In La Liga they are a little easier because their toughest rivals such as Barcelona and Atletico Madrid have experienced some obstacles that make it difficult for them to catch Real Madrid points.

Next season in the UCL Real Madrid will experience difficulties because other teams such as Liverpool, AC Milan, PSG, Manchester City and Barcelona will prepare for the need to win the UCL.

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Real Madrid were definitely not the favorites to win the World Cup at the start of the season. I think the odds for Real Madrid were around 12 at the start. They have now won the Champions League 4 times in the last 6/7 years. That's a great achievement. Barcelona hasn't done that once in the last 10 years. They won't be the favorite next year either, but we shouldn't be surprised if they just become champions again next season.

Obviously, they were not the favorites and they knew it but at the end, they won. Coutinho should actually be the man of the match as he was able to save shots from Mane, Salah and the others. At some point in the game, I noticed Mane wanted to cry out in frustrated anger.
Ancelotti really deserved this win tho. Looking at how they struggled to come this far, it's only expedient they carry the cup.

It would be wrong to say Real Madrid did not deserve their final victory. Much of what they did in slowing the pace of the game from the outset and in denying Liverpool the width they so often create through the overlaps of their full backs was testimony to Ancelotti’s wisdom and experience. They also prevented Liverpool from scoring, only the second team to do that this calendar year. Honestly being favorite or best doesn't mean you deserve it. If that was the case Pep Guardiola's Barcelona could have been winning it every year. This all come down to who wants it the most on the pitch, that is why it is a competition between the champions from various leagues.

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Quote from: Davian144 on June 01, 2022, 01:42:03 AM

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on May 31, 2022, 10:47:36 PM

This is normal. It is the team with the most Champions Leagues by far the second. Add to this the fact that winning the Champions League has a snowball effect, as it will automatically bring in more revenue than it already had, and Madrid will be favourites in any upcoming season. A lot would have to change for that not to be the case.

Next season Real Madrid will still be a strong candidate in the race for the title of any League because consistency and direction from a very experienced coach has always been the key to the success of the Real Madrid team in every match in the League. So for this season Real Madrid deserve to party to celebrate the victory they have achieved and also for next season, Real Madrid will also try to return for the same.

exact
it's a team that also has a right mentality
this year they have had excellent management of fatigue and stress
they managed the turnover in an optimal way, players always rested and fresh
they managed their emotions well (game won in the last minutes)

well done

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Quote from: BitcoinAccepted on May 31, 2022, 03:21:31 PM

Real Madrid were definitely not the favorites to win the World Cup at the start of the season. I think the odds for Real Madrid were around 12 at the start. They have now won the Champions League 4 times in the last 6/7 years. That's a great achievement. Barcelona hasn't done that once in the last 10 years. They won't be the favorite next year either, but we shouldn't be surprised if they just become champions again next season.

Obviously, they were not the favorites and they knew it but at the end, they won. Coutinho should actually be the man of the match as he was able to save shots from Mane, Salah and the others. At some point in the game, I noticed Mane wanted to cry out in frustrated anger.
Ancelotti really deserved this win tho. Looking at how they struggled to come this far, it's only expedient they carry the cup.

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Quote from: Silberman on May 31, 2022, 04:06:30 PM

Quote from: hahay on May 31, 2022, 08:54:43 AM

I personally saw it from a different angle because Real Madrid played like a mediocre team against the favourites, Real Madrid's game play in the final didn't reflect they were a big team. Real Madrid only plays defensively and that gameplay is the usual gameplay used by mediocre teams when playing against top teams and therefore, even though Real Madrid won, I wasn't quite happy with the gameplay like that applied by Real Madrid.

I can understand that people do not like defensive play, as without a doubt it is way more fun to see both teams to try their best to score as many goals as possible, so in that regard I can understand your issues with Real Madrid, however defensive play is an important aspect of any sport and it is as valid as offensive play, and not only that, defensive proficiency is so important that in many sports the one that can defend the best is usually the one that wins.

From my point of view actually both teams play with an incentive to attack even though Liverpool are more in control of the game but when Liverpool players lose the ball then Maddrid players also try to attack both teams want to always attack but Liverpool press with four or five people so they experience a bit difficulty for Maddrid players to build attacks does not mean Maddrid apply defensive play in the match.

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UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE TEAM OF THE SEASON 2021/2022

•Courtois - Real Madrid
•Alexander Arnold - Liverpool
•Rudiger - Chelsea
• van Dijk - Liverpool
•Robertson - Liverpool
•Fabinho - Liverpool
•Modric - Real Madrid
•De Bruyne - Manchester City
•Mbappe - P S G
• Vinicius junior - Real Madrid
•Karim Benzema - Real Madrid

Wouldn't been happy too see the lineup with Rudiger and Kelvin De Bruyne, they had a great season despite not going to a far extent.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on May 31, 2022, 10:47:36 PM

This is normal. It is the team with the most Champions Leagues by far the second. Add to this the fact that winning the Champions League has a snowball effect, as it will automatically bring in more revenue than it already had, and Madrid will be favourites in any upcoming season. A lot would have to change for that not to be the case.

Next season Real Madrid will still be a strong candidate in the race for the title of any League because consistency and direction from a very experienced coach has always been the key to the success of the Real Madrid team in every match in the League. So for this season Real Madrid deserve to party to celebrate the victory they have achieved and also for next season, Real Madrid will also try to return for the same.

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Quote from: skarais on May 31, 2022, 03:09:12 PM

You are right, the gameplay we are witnessing from Real Madrid is not like a big team with a long history in the Champions League. I may agree that it is part of the strategy to win the game, but I can think of how much risk Real Madrid will lose with that strategy after scoring 1 goal. Luckily Courtois was able to save his goal from conceding, because if not then I think 2 to 3 goals might have gone into the net.

Real Madrid's best effort in that match was to maximize the few chances they created into goals and defend well from Liverpool's attacks. Although a bit boring, but Real Madrid is the winner. But don't say Real Madrid's win was luck, maybe someone will be angry. Lol

Quote from: Silberman on May 31, 2022, 04:06:30 PM

I can understand that people do not like defensive play, as without a doubt it is way more fun to see both teams to try their best to score as many goals as possible, so in that regard I can understand your issues with Real Madrid, however defensive play is an important aspect of any sport and it is as valid as offensive play, and not only that, defensive proficiency is so important that in many sports the one that can defend the best is usually the one that wins.

Well, it seems we are all aware, if the real hero in the match was Courtois who played well and managed to save a lot of shots. Maybe if Courtois plays badly then we'll see Real Madrid concede some goals even though they defend, right? Although I'm not saying Real Madrid's win is luck, we realize that Real Madrid are lucky to have Courtois who is highly motivated so he can play really well in the final. Because even though they play defensively, when their goalkeeper plays badly, the defense they apply will be useless.

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