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Quote from: Jasad on January 19, 2022, 05:05:27 AM

Quote from: dataispower on January 17, 2022, 02:24:05 PM

Paris saint Germans Haven't been more of a consistent team this season, we have seen that several occasions in the Ligue.
How did the arrival of Messi and Ramos improve the team ? I find the incorrect,null and invalid.
They haven't done much, likewise the arrival of Pochetino, Thomas Tuchel seems to be much of a better coach than he's been for the Ligue 1 champions.

psg has become king in their own league, by having great star players and having expensive players, but all of that is not affected at all in the european league, even though psg is surrounded by star players, but they are very difficult to play in the champions league, if this year psg can't get the champion title, maybe they will sell messi to another club.

To only dominate ligue 1 of course PSG don't need Messi all this time, because even before messi arrival PSG had become a dominating club in the League, PSG desire to win their first champions league trophy this season, made PSG collect many star players in their squad and I think the experience of these players will certainly provide many advantages for PSG to try to become champions, I think if this season PSG also failed to win the champions trophy, it would be very painful in my opinion.

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Quote from: dataispower on January 17, 2022, 02:24:05 PM

Paris saint Germans Haven't been more of a consistent team this season, we have seen that several occasions in the Ligue.
How did the arrival of Messi and Ramos improve the team ? I find the incorrect,null and invalid.
They haven't done much, likewise the arrival of Pochetino, Thomas Tuchel seems to be much of a better coach than he's been for the Ligue 1 champions.

psg has become king in their own league, by having great star players and having expensive players, but all of that is not affected at all in the european league, even though psg is surrounded by star players, but they are very difficult to play in the champions league, if this year psg can't get the champion title, maybe they will sell messi to another club.

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Quote from: babo on January 19, 2022, 02:25:37 AM

if you have a lot of champions, well, but you also have to be able to make them play together, and this is not easy

This is perhaps the most important aspect. Getting all the great players on the squad to play well as a group.

Doing this is not always easy, it takes a coach (who most of the time has a much lower salary than the players) to be able to unite the group, in order to obtain a good performance from these excellent players.

Finding such a trainer is not always easy. There are few, and usually the best are already in big clubs.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 18, 2022, 10:55:54 AM

Quote from: bering on January 18, 2022, 09:55:41 AM

From season to season actually PSG have good players to be the winner of this competition so before Messi and Ramos arrived they have good players to compete with other big teams and it showing to their latest achievement that they can able go to final match on 2020 and last season went to semifinal but for me the problem why PSG didn't get champion trophy until this season not because the players and it more likely they don't have good mentality to be the winner

At the moment, three of the most expensive players in the world are playing in PSG - Neymar, Mbappe + Messi (in the past, but nonetheless). Thank god money isn't everything in football and PSG still haven't been able to win the Champions League, I always cheer against them in this competition (plus against City) Grin

That's why I love football - you can't buy the most expensive players and win everything you want. Very often there will be more simple but evil and motivated clubs that will be stronger.

Having money does not mean you will have many titles. PSG from season to season have never been absent from the names of the stars, in fact they almost never had trouble signing top players, for example Lionel Messi and Sergio Ramos. But to be able to compete for the title, they are a little difficult for it.
In my opinion, when a team has a lot of big names, it becomes a problem for the team. Because usually, they will also compete with each other (selfish).

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Quote from: Oneandpure on January 19, 2022, 01:36:58 AM

Event have much money you can buy what player do you want almost have crazy value, first when PSG success got Neymar from Barcelona with fantastic record transfer and later get Mbappe from Monaco have crazy value transfer. Now they have get Lionel Messi as many collector Ballon D'or and success get Ramos from Real Madrid as free transfer beside PSG get Donnarumma as best goal keeper on EURO 2020. I think its still not enough how to make PSG can get first champion league trophy because the crazy why get many star player only try how to be champion league winner.

yes, but to win you don't need a team of champions
I'll explain
if you have a lot of champions, well, but you also have to be able to make them play together, and this is not easy
moreover, all this money is an insult to the world
it is no coincidence that most of the teams are heavily indebted
I don't like the way PSG is doing

it is the complete opposite of Atalanta's philosophy for example
without spending these crazy figures, she arrived STRONG in the Champions League

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 18, 2022, 10:55:54 AM

Quote from: bering on January 18, 2022, 09:55:41 AM

From season to season actually PSG have good players to be the winner of this competition so before Messi and Ramos arrived they have good players to compete with other big teams and it showing to their latest achievement that they can able go to final match on 2020 and last season went to semifinal but for me the problem why PSG didn't get champion trophy until this season not because the players and it more likely they don't have good mentality to be the winner

At the moment, three of the most expensive players in the world are playing in PSG - Neymar, Mbappe + Messi (in the past, but nonetheless). Thank god money isn't everything in football and PSG still haven't been able to win the Champions League, I always cheer against them in this competition (plus against City) Grin

That's why I love football - you can't buy the most expensive players and win everything you want. Very often there will be more simple but evil and motivated clubs that will be stronger.

Event have much money you can buy what player do you want almost have crazy value, first when PSG success got Neymar from Barcelona with fantastic record transfer and later get Mbappe from Monaco have crazy value transfer. Now they have get Lionel Messi as many collector Ballon D'or and success get Ramos from Real Madrid as free transfer beside PSG get Donnarumma as best goal keeper on EURO 2020. I think its still not enough how to make PSG can get first champion league trophy because the crazy why get many star player only try how to be champion league winner.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 18, 2022, 10:55:54 AM

Quote from: bering on January 18, 2022, 09:55:41 AM

From season to season actually PSG have good players to be the winner of this competition so before Messi and Ramos arrived they have good players to compete with other big teams and it showing to their latest achievement that they can able go to final match on 2020 and last season went to semifinal but for me the problem why PSG didn't get champion trophy until this season not because the players and it more likely they don't have good mentality to be the winner

At the moment, three of the most expensive players in the world are playing in PSG - Neymar, Mbappe + Messi (in the past, but nonetheless). Thank god money isn't everything in football and PSG still haven't been able to win the Champions League, I always cheer against them in this competition (plus against City) Grin

That's why I love football - you can't buy the most expensive players and win everything you want. Very often there will be more simple but evil and motivated clubs that will be stronger.

all this money
I'm a little bit against all this money
such high expenses caused the teams to collapse, one of the reasons they tried to create the super league
we should go back to more humane and not so high salaries

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Quote from: bering on January 18, 2022, 09:55:41 AM

From season to season actually PSG have good players to be the winner of this competition so before Messi and Ramos arrived they have good players to compete with other big teams and it showing to their latest achievement that they can able go to final match on 2020 and last season went to semifinal but for me the problem why PSG didn't get champion trophy until this season not because the players and it more likely they don't have good mentality to be the winner

At the moment, three of the most expensive players in the world are playing in PSG - Neymar, Mbappe + Messi (in the past, but nonetheless). Thank god money isn't everything in football and PSG still haven't been able to win the Champions League, I always cheer against them in this competition (plus against City) Grin

That's why I love football - you can't buy the most expensive players and win everything you want. Very often there will be more simple but evil and motivated clubs that will be stronger.

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Quote from: bering on January 18, 2022, 09:55:41 AM

Quote from: laurenB7742 on January 18, 2022, 07:48:38 AM

In order to win the CL trophy, two things need to happen.
Firstly, every player in the team has to perform in every game.
Secondly, they will also need a bit of luck
as the trophy can be lost within a matter of 90 minutes and only that team wins whoever plays well in that specific 90 minutes. Also PSG this season have been an unstable team with injuries, off-forms, and whatnot. In fact, the front trio still haven't figured out their chemistry.

From season to season actually PSG have good players to be the winner of this competition so before Messi and Ramos arrived they have good players to compete with other big teams and it showing to their latest achievement that they can able go to final match on 2020 and last season went to semifinal but for me the problem why PSG didn't get champion trophy until this season not because the players and it more likely they don't have good mentality to be the winner

Maybe relying too much on individuals keeps them from developing further, it's like competition between players that makes the game less solid. Although indeed, individual skills are needed but it will be better when they can play with teamwork, because football is not only about a few players but about the whole including a coach who can increase the morale of players. At least it's proven when Tuchel was still PSG coach, a great coach can take his team to the final even though they lose but at least a great coach can give the best for the team even though their squad is not all star players.

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I would say it did shake them up a bit. They are not suddenly a bad team, they still have the offense very well and they are doing fine but I would not say that they weren't shaken even a slight bit. In the end they are such a great offensive team that most teams do not end up attacking all that much, if you play offensive against them then you would be getting scored a lot and that is a risk most teams do not take against them.

Sevilla for example has like 5 goals less scored on them, even Barcelona which we have seen as a "bad" team this year got only 5 goals more scored on them. So I am assuming that they are not doing as well as they hoped for. Champions league however is a different area and Real Madrid is a team that knows this all too well. They won it more than any other team and they are just a great tournament team that ends up winning when it's elimination game.

If it was at the end of the season, It would be much easier to put up the defensive stats in games the Varane and Ramos played vs this season when they were away to get a clear picture.

The positive things that I recall Ramos brought in were team leadership and being a record goal scoring defender. But he would also often get booked, sent off sometimes. Real Madrid would also rarely get clean sheets.

Sergio Ramos is more than just a defender. I can say that he is a legend for Real Madrid. Even after He retires football, I can say for sure that the legend card will appear in the fifa ultimate team. Every team would like to have such a defender. A huge advantage for psg is to have it.

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Quote from: joker_josue on January 18, 2022, 06:59:41 AM

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on January 18, 2022, 04:48:36 AM

These two teams are regular, very strong. But the Manchester United and PSG teams are strong enough though irregular. The PSG team has a lot of star players. Although their performance is irregular, they are not weak. Their main weakness is their match-strategy. If Zidane takes over as PSG coach, the PSG team will become stronger.

Really Zidane would be a great asset for PSG. But I have some doubts that he will accept to join the project in the middle of the season.

What makes Man City and Bayern, is the consistency they have. They have almost the same players for 2 or 3 years, with no major changes in the squad. This helps players get to know each other well, and in turn have incredible regularity.

It's definitely true that Zidane would probably be a good option for Paris as he is a frenchman and already won some big titles. That being said, i am still not so sure yet if Zidane is really that great of a coach. Yes he was extremely successful with Real Madrid but at that time Real still had Cristiano Ronaldo at his best age and i would guess that back then Zidane did not have much coaching to do in terms of tactics and stuff but he only needed to keep his stars happy. I think other coaches like Pep Guardiola or Thomas Tuchel for example have already proven that they can make any team better by introducing new tactics and formations and stuff. Zidane still has to prove that.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on January 18, 2022, 07:48:38 AM

In order to win the CL trophy, two things need to happen.
Firstly, every player in the team has to perform in every game.
Secondly, they will also need a bit of luck
as the trophy can be lost within a matter of 90 minutes and only that team wins whoever plays well in that specific 90 minutes. Also PSG this season have been an unstable team with injuries, off-forms, and whatnot. In fact, the front trio still haven't figured out their chemistry.

From season to season actually PSG have good players to be the winner of this competition so before Messi and Ramos arrived they have good players to compete with other big teams and it showing to their latest achievement that they can able go to final match on 2020 and last season went to semifinal but for me the problem why PSG didn't get champion trophy until this season not because the players and it more likely they don't have good mentality to be the winner

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The lack of chemistry I think is because they haven't had that much serious games to play at,in the Ligue 1 they are the absolute winners and in Champions League things start to heat up right this February where I think we will see the true PSG,can't wait for that to happen and I am going to bet little money on them to win the Champions at near 10 of an odd.

PSG will face a strong and experienced team in the round sixteen of ucl. Of course I want Madrid to win because I'm a fan of them. But if I look objectively I keep betting for Madrid's victory. Maybe I could be wrong but my instincts say that. PSG are a great team they have a lot of good players, but they haven't come together yet. They're trying to make history that's still hard to do. They've just become a big team and they still lack experience as a team. I think they still need a long process.

It's difficult when there are many good players in a team, sometimes they are not solid, it means that there is still a lot of selfishness among those who want to play alone, but if PSG can do this solidly, then of course they will become a formidable European team more than Real Madrid before.
Imagine if PSG didn't make it to the last 16, would the plan in the champions league fail with lots of buying good players like Messi and other players?
So this is a fixed price for PSG to conquer Madrid who are on fire.

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Quote from: swogerino on January 18, 2022, 07:37:21 AM

The lack of chemistry I think is because they haven't had that much serious games to play at,in the Ligue 1 they are the absolute winners and in Champions League things start to heat up right this February where I think we will see the true PSG,can't wait for that to happen and I am going to bet little money on them to win the Champions at near 10 of an odd.

PSG will face a strong and experienced team in the round sixteen of ucl. Of course I want Madrid to win because I'm a fan of them. But if I look objectively I keep betting for Madrid's victory. Maybe I could be wrong but my instincts say that. PSG are a great team they have a lot of good players, but they haven't come together yet. They're trying to make history that's still hard to do. They've just become a big team and they still lack experience as a team. I think they still need a long process.

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Paris saint Germans Haven't been more of a consistent team this season, we have seen that several occasions in the Ligue.
How did the arrival of Messi and Ramos improve the team ? I find the incorrect,null and invalid.
They haven't done much, likewise the arrival of Pochetino, Thomas Tuchel seems to be much of a better coach than he's been for the Ligue 1 champions.

Some teams might be good generally but will be unable to lift the champions league. Infact it can be correct to say that individuals win champions league than team. That was why Juventus went for Ronaldo but they couldn't scale to the finals.
The season that Liverpool was all set to lift the champions league, Ramos and Ronaldo denied them the opportunity.
So, if psg meets the final, Ramos and Messi can give them the trophy.

In order to win the CL trophy, two things need to happen.
Firstly, every player in the team has to perform in every game.
Secondly, they will also need a bit of luck
as the trophy can be lost within a matter of 90 minutes and only that team wins whoever plays well in that specific 90 minutes. Also PSG this season have been an unstable team with injuries, off-forms, and whatnot. In fact, the front trio still haven't figured out their chemistry.

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You are not wrong I have to say. PSG were always like the team who always had the potential to win the trophy for the past few years but they were not able to. Maybe this season they have more probability to win but in order to win the CL, the stars have to align right and the team also needs to play well on the specific matchday. But so far what worries me is that the Messi, Neymar, mballe trio is still not gaining the needed chemistry, right?

I'm not sure PSG are currently capable of winning UCL. The arrival of Messi and Ramos was not enough to make them strong. PSG need the mentality to win, relying on their coolness will not be successful enough. They need the mentality of all the players to be with the champions. In two seasons, they reached the quarter-finals. But they always fail at the end. This season they have spent a lot of money, but in the knockout phase they will play with Real Madrid. It was a tough test, I still wanted Real Madrid to win during the match.

To begin with, it would be desirable for the trio of Messi, Neymar and Mbappe to appear together on the football field, because due to a number of medical reasons this does not happen, so to say that this bundle does not give the necessary effect is a sin against the truth Wink

The current Paris Saint-Germain is really difficult to call an unambiguous favorite of the current Champions League draw, especially since the club got such an opponent as Real Madrid, which has gained good form in the national championship and is its leader. And there are still at least English clubs and Bayern Munich, which also have a good chance of winning the title. Therefore, if before the start of the season everyone called PSG the favorite of the tournament because of the transfer company and the presence of superstars, now the alignment has changed a little and everything does not look so unambiguous.

^ I think Mbappe, Neymar & Mess alone cannot win them the trophy, they need better midfielders in my opinion.
Because for a good attack trio to work well, they need better support from the midfield. Marco Verratti is good but they need another quality midfielder like Kevin De Bruyne or Toni Kroos, who can assist them well. But so far they are lacking a lot of team chemistry and I still don't know how they will fix it.

I think the forwarding in PSG is the greatest of all time they had and I think one of the best in the whole world having three great players like Mbappe,Neymar and Messi.I don't think they need that much of an help here,pretty much Messy and Mbappe can also play very well in the midfield if necessary while Neymar can only play as an attacker.

The lack of chemistry I think is because they haven't had that much serious games to play at,in the Ligue 1 they are the absolute winners and in Champions League things start to heat up right this February where I think we will see the true PSG,can't wait for that to happen and I am going to bet little money on them to win the Champions at near 10 of an odd.

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You are not wrong I have to say. PSG were always like the team who always had the potential to win the trophy for the past few years but they were not able to. Maybe this season they have more probability to win but in order to win the CL, the stars have to align right and the team also needs to play well on the specific matchday. But so far what worries me is that the Messi, Neymar, mballe trio is still not gaining the needed chemistry, right?

I'm not sure PSG are currently capable of winning UCL. The arrival of Messi and Ramos was not enough to make them strong. PSG need the mentality to win, relying on their coolness will not be successful enough. They need the mentality of all the players to be with the champions. In two seasons, they reached the quarter-finals. But they always fail at the end. This season they have spent a lot of money, but in the knockout phase they will play with Real Madrid. It was a tough test, I still wanted Real Madrid to win during the match.

To begin with, it would be desirable for the trio of Messi, Neymar and Mbappe to appear together on the football field, because due to a number of medical reasons this does not happen, so to say that this bundle does not give the necessary effect is a sin against the truth Wink

The current Paris Saint-Germain is really difficult to call an unambiguous favorite of the current Champions League draw, especially since the club got such an opponent as Real Madrid, which has gained good form in the national championship and is its leader. And there are still at least English clubs and Bayern Munich, which also have a good chance of winning the title. Therefore, if before the start of the season everyone called PSG the favorite of the tournament because of the transfer company and the presence of superstars, now the alignment has changed a little and everything does not look so unambiguous.

^ I think Mbappe, Neymar & Mess alone cannot win them the trophy, they need better midfielders in my opinion.
Because for a good attack trio to work well, they need better support from the midfield. Marco Verratti is good but they need another quality midfielder like Kevin De Bruyne or Toni Kroos, who can assist them well. But so far they are lacking a lot of team chemistry and I still don't know how they will fix it.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on January 18, 2022, 04:48:36 AM

These two teams are regular, very strong. But the Manchester United and PSG teams are strong enough though irregular. The PSG team has a lot of star players. Although their performance is irregular, they are not weak. Their main weakness is their match-strategy. If Zidane takes over as PSG coach, the PSG team will become stronger.

Really Zidane would be a great asset for PSG. But I have some doubts that he will accept to join the project in the middle of the season.

What makes Man City and Bayern, is the consistency they have. They have almost the same players for 2 or 3 years, with no major changes in the squad. This helps players get to know each other well, and in turn have incredible regularity.

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Quote from: joker_josue on January 18, 2022, 03:03:19 AM

It's true that the strongest team doesn't always win in football. Proof of this was last year Man City lost to Chelsea. But at the time Chelsea were going through a period of results, which left them very motivated and with little pressure, and that helped.

Chelsea's players were much more confident the previous season. So they easily overcame all the obstacles. Chelsea had won all three of their matches against Manchester City last season. I would say that Chelsea's performance in the previous season was so strong because of the confidence of the players.

Quote from: joker_josue on January 18, 2022, 03:03:19 AM

Either way, no two games are the same or two seasons are the same. This season Man City and Bayer are simply dominating, it seems that nobody can stop them.
Of course things can change from one moment to the next, but the only reason I see these two clubs not reaching the final is if they meet before the final.

These two teams are regular, very strong. But the Manchester United and PSG teams are strong enough though irregular. The PSG team has a lot of star players. Although their performance is irregular, they are not weak. Their main weakness is their match-strategy. If Zidane takes over as PSG coach, the PSG team will become stronger.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on January 18, 2022, 01:13:44 AM

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The team that looks more consistent in almost all competitions is probably Manchester City which of course, it seems we will not doubt Pep Guardiola's proven strategy. Now it seems like big players like Messi and Ronaldo have finished their golden era, because now is the era where other players who will become stars or even teams that can be said to be mediocre can make a surprise in the UCL event this season. Nothing is certain there even though they have Messi and Ronaldo, because this season only Lewandowski has been the most consistent player and continues to shine with his team.

Not only Manchester City, Bayern Munich is also the most stable team. But I don't think either of these two teams can win the title. This is my personal opinion. Manchester City also played great in the Champions League last season. But in the final they lost to Chelsea.

PSG and Man United are not the winners of this season at least, in my opinion. PSG front trio still doesn't have the chemistry needed. Mess_Neymar_mbappe are still not clicking with one another this saddens me.

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on January 18, 2022, 01:13:44 AM

Messi and Ronaldo's team PSG and Manchester United, respectively, can not be said to be strong. They are not stable as a team. However, Ronaldo has scored 6 goals in 5 matches and Messi has scored 5 goals in 5 matches. If these two star players can maintain the continuity, then they also have a chance to win the title.

Both Man City and Bayern seem like very good contenders for the title in my opinion. Bayern have Lewandowski who is scoring every game and Man City are playing so well as a 'team'. I won't be surprised if any of these two win the trophy.

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