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Quote from: tulusikhlas on January 24, 2022, 11:40:14 AM

Quote from: babo on January 24, 2022, 11:32:46 AM

the problem of PSG is not the mentality, it is not lacking the presence of champions
the problem of PSG is the lack of cohesion of the team, a team must work together champions or not, and it is not easy or trivial to fit all the pieces together

I agree with this, they don't lack top players on all sides, which for sure is already feeling the atmosphere in the big games. I don't know if my opinion is right or wrong, but I see this as their weakness. PSG may be underdog with individual quality of players, but for team play they are still lacking. And that has to be fixed if they really want to win the Champions League this season.

PSG management doing things blindly but not as they need to do same happening at Manchester City, but they are some better as Pepe is handling things quite well here first Tuchel and now Pochettino have very long list of stars but these all players trying to give individual performance which never help anyone in these competitions here we need some better team effort which is not available in PSG case we have some better things in many other teams so just because of this no one favoring PSG for this year's title mostly feeling they are not having good time just failing to reach out in last four as well. Liverpool, Real Madrid and Chelsea and Bayern have better squads and capability to win title.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on January 24, 2022, 09:17:19 AM

Chance for PSG and Manchester City win champion league in this season look joke because they not have mentality how to be the winner in champion league competition, City success reach final stage last year but defeat by Chelsea have under position on the table at primer league than Manchester City, although success get primer league trophy is not guarantee with City can defeat Chelsea on final stage of champion league, for PSG I don't see need to be favorite team because inconsistent performance in champion league group we can see how long PSG step on champion league.

I agree about PSG, because they were average in the Champions League group stage and they had a lot of difficult games in the French league. But City seem to be dominant here and there, much like Bayern, but Bayern have had several failed matches this season, which is probably why they are ranked slightly lower than City. Yes, each team can win, but these odds seem reasonable to me.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on January 24, 2022, 02:38:16 PM

There are around only three weeks to go for the last 32 matches to be underway. And it is going to be a big pleasure for me to watch the PSG v Real Madrid match firstly. This is the most waited matchup of this round undoubtedly. This is like a finale and I really wonder what both of these teams will do in Parc des Princes first. Taking the current forms and performances into account, I've started seeing Real Madrid being one step ahead. I still see some minor problems at PSG. And this might cost them this round against Real Madrid, who knows.

Just because both sides have a lot of stars doesnt mean the match is like a final , people just too excited to see a stars clash and especially sergio ramos come back to bernabeu with psg shirt, that would be something and emotional despite ramos has stated that he will do everything to beat his ex club .

worth to wait indeed but it's exaggerrated to call it's like a final . in recent days ... a final doesnt always about the two big clubs though. a fighting spirit club like ajax can also bring you to the final.

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Quote from: RaltcoinsB on January 24, 2022, 08:24:10 AM

I think this rate of the Paris team can be considered a surprise. I was thinking that Manchester City or Paris Saint-Germain would win the UCL this year. However, the ratios are misleading me. Perhaps because of the Real Madrid-PSG match, Paris Saint-Germain's rate is so high. If they can knock out Real Madrid, they can drop their odds and become one of the favourites.

the chances of whether they can become champions or not I think they should be able to beat madrid first because indeed when they can beat madrid the chances of their bets will change I think.
but in this case I will be on the side of Madrid and seeing the bet from PSG is a bit too high but not too much for me

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 21, 2022, 10:30:20 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on January 20, 2022, 12:13:14 PM

Four clubs ahead of PSG as the favorites to win the Champions League?

You will be surprised, but this is Chelsea:

Manchester City FC 3.80
Bayern Munich 4.65
Liverpool 6.05
Chelsea 7.60
Paris Saint Germain 9.95

@joker_josue actually it might surprise you even more to learn that PSG has never been in the top 3, not even pre-season as I recall, because I placed bets on City (the #1 favourite pre-season) and Liverpool, who were around 8/1 but still thought to be likelier winners than PSG. IIRC even Man Utd were ranked higher pre season, thanks to all their supposed literal purchase of champion material.

We actually discussed their odds 2 months ago in French Ligue 1 thread and it hasn't changed much then, except to oddly switch Chelsea above PSG after pretty bad performances from the Blues:

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Manchester City FC 3.95
Bayern Munich 4.90
Liverpool 6.15
Paris Saint-Germain 6.85
Chelsea 6.95
Manchester United 16.20
Real Madrid 17.40
Ajax 20.20

Pure fourth place and their quotes are even higher than Chelsea's (how?). In my opinion, these are adequate odds, except maybe Real Madrid's underestimation.
By the way, there is a possibility that after yesterday's 7th Ballon d'Or for Messi, a tense situation will arise in the team due to this obvious injustice and ambitions of Mbappe and Neymar. At least I hope so Grin

Don't ask me how Chelsea, the defending champions and EPL leaders, are below PSG. Don't remember early season but Ajax deserve better quotes and Real are Real... they love UCL and UCL love them.

And don't get me started on Messi. Love the guy but he must be embarrassed to be there on stage but as I said before, awards are popularity contests and this one's voted by journalists for a French awardee haha Wink

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There are around only three weeks to go for the last 32 matches to be underway. And it is going to be a big pleasure for me to watch the PSG v Real Madrid match firstly. This is the most waited matchup of this round undoubtedly. This is like a finale and I really wonder what both of these teams will do in Parc des Princes first. Taking the current forms and performances into account, I've started seeing Real Madrid being one step ahead. I still see some minor problems at PSG. And this might cost them this round against Real Madrid, who knows.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on January 22, 2022, 04:35:28 PM

They actually have their own advantages. But somehow they seem difficult to put together. Maybe because the superiority of each player makes this condition? Or the tactics used so far are still not good and right.

You may be right, and that is indeed the case. But let's remember how the trio of Suarez - Neymar - Messi played. Each of them was scoring, giving away goals, everything was good, they were the best trio. There is the same player, a young star - Mbappe. Why does everyone at PSG want to score?) I don't know, but Neymar and Messi play very well but for some reason they don't score all the time, I look for the problem in Mbappe, maybe he has caught a star.

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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on January 24, 2022, 01:21:46 PM

This is a problem that always exists in a team that has a lot of great players PSG won't be able to solve it in a short time they need more time to play together
Here PSG will play Madrid, we know Madrid are an experienced team and we'll see what PSG do with some of its great players. without cohesiveness they can be defeated again like Man city did last November.

Problems with PSG are their dependence and belief on some players who are not professional like Neymar. Chelsea in the past had many professional players, Cech, Terry, Drogba, Lampard, etc. but they only won their first Champions League when those players were more than 30 years old.

Neymar after his record transfer from Barcelona to PSG are not very professional with his life before and after matches or when he has vacation from injury. It is not a player you can rely on for important match. I believe Neymar will end his career like many Brazilian players with shorter career time than European players. Players of PSG now look to have worse ambition than players of Chelsea in the past. Partially because Chelsea were managed by Mourinho who is a very ambitious coach. He shaped career for many Chelsea players from Terry, Lampard to Drogba.

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on January 24, 2022, 11:40:14 AM

Quote from: babo on January 24, 2022, 11:32:46 AM

Quote from: Luzin on January 24, 2022, 10:48:18 AM

I didn't even want PSG to make the final this season. Although they have a lot of great players, it doesn't seem like they have the UCL winning mentality in every player yet. Moreover, they will play Madrid, of course I will choose Madrid to win. At least all madrid players are more experienced than PSG this year. But I think the opportunity still exists for PSG they could certainly be a surprise and beat Madrid, Madrid must be vigilant.

the problem of PSG is not the mentality, it is not lacking the presence of champions
the problem of PSG is the lack of cohesion of the team, a team must work together champions or not, and it is not easy or trivial to fit all the pieces together

I agree with this, they don't lack top players on all sides, which for sure is already feeling the atmosphere in the big games. I don't know if my opinion is right or wrong, but I see this as their weakness. PSG may be underdog with individual quality of players, but for team play they are still lacking. And that has to be fixed if they really want to win the Champions League this season.

This is a problem that always exists in a team that has a lot of great players PSG won't be able to solve it in a short time they need more time to play together
Here PSG will play Madrid, we know Madrid are an experienced team and we'll see what PSG do with some of its great players. without cohesiveness they can be defeated again like Man city did last November.

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Quote from: Luzin on January 24, 2022, 10:48:18 AM

I didn't even want PSG to make the final this season. Although they have a lot of great players, it doesn't seem like they have the UCL winning mentality in every player yet. Moreover, they will play Madrid, of course I will choose Madrid to win. At least all madrid players are more experienced than PSG this year. But I think the opportunity still exists for PSG they could certainly be a surprise and beat Madrid, Madrid must be vigilant.

Real Madrid are like AC Milan with DNA to succeed in Champions League. However in football, you can not beat all opponents and all times with history and your tradition. So in this clash, Real Madrid have more experience, more advantage but PSG have their own diligent chance to beat Real Madrid. They don't have to fear Real Madrid because of history, tradition, whatever. They have enough world-class players to beat Real Madrid.

Quote from: babo on January 24, 2022, 11:32:46 AM

the problem of PSG is not the mentality, it is not lacking the presence of champions
the problem of PSG is the lack of cohesion of the team, a team must work together champions or not, and it is not easy or trivial to fit all the pieces together

They can change it with time. Like Chelsea, Manchester City, Barcelona. Do you recall that Barcelona were almost nothing in Champions League before they had a golden era with Pep, Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Alves, etc.?

Chelsea were nothing before they won 2 Champions League. Manchester City and PSG are moving more closely to Champions League title and they are keep improving their squads. I am sure they will win Champions League but to achieve what Chelsea have now, they might need one more decade.

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Quote from: babo on January 24, 2022, 11:32:46 AM

Quote from: Luzin on January 24, 2022, 10:48:18 AM

I didn't even want PSG to make the final this season. Although they have a lot of great players, it doesn't seem like they have the UCL winning mentality in every player yet. Moreover, they will play Madrid, of course I will choose Madrid to win. At least all madrid players are more experienced than PSG this year. But I think the opportunity still exists for PSG they could certainly be a surprise and beat Madrid, Madrid must be vigilant.

the problem of PSG is not the mentality, it is not lacking the presence of champions
the problem of PSG is the lack of cohesion of the team, a team must work together champions or not, and it is not easy or trivial to fit all the pieces together

I agree with this, they don't lack top players on all sides, which for sure is already feeling the atmosphere in the big games. I don't know if my opinion is right or wrong, but I see this as their weakness. PSG may be underdog with individual quality of players, but for team play they are still lacking. And that has to be fixed if they really want to win the Champions League this season.

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Quote from: Luzin on January 24, 2022, 10:48:18 AM

I didn't even want PSG to make the final this season. Although they have a lot of great players, it doesn't seem like they have the UCL winning mentality in every player yet. Moreover, they will play Madrid, of course I will choose Madrid to win. At least all madrid players are more experienced than PSG this year. But I think the opportunity still exists for PSG they could certainly be a surprise and beat Madrid, Madrid must be vigilant.

the problem of PSG is not the mentality, it is not lacking the presence of champions
the problem of PSG is the lack of cohesion of the team, a team must work together champions or not, and it is not easy or trivial to fit all the pieces together

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Quote from: RaltcoinsB on January 24, 2022, 08:24:10 AM

I think this rate of the Paris team can be considered a surprise. I was thinking that Manchester City or Paris Saint-Germain would win the UCL this year. However, the ratios are misleading me. Perhaps because of the Real Madrid-PSG match, Paris Saint-Germain's rate is so high. If they can knock out Real Madrid, they can drop their odds and become one of the favourites.

I didn't even want PSG to make the final this season. Although they have a lot of great players, it doesn't seem like they have the UCL winning mentality in every player yet. Moreover, they will play Madrid, of course I will choose Madrid to win. At least all madrid players are more experienced than PSG this year. But I think the opportunity still exists for PSG they could certainly be a surprise and beat Madrid, Madrid must be vigilant.

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If you are so sure of this, then you should bet on this event - you can easily increase your money by 9 times. Paris Saint-Germain 9.95 - such odds are offered by bookmakers now. Just note that at the moment PSG is not a favorite according to the bookmakers - there are already 4 clubs ahead, so such a bet will be very risky.

Four clubs ahead of PSG as the favorites to win the Champions League?
That means he's fifth.

Who are the other clubs?
I would say Man City, Bayern, Liverpool, who was the other?
Juventus? I don't think so.

You will be surprised, but this is Chelsea:

Manchester City FC 3.80
Bayern Munich 4.65
Liverpool 6.05
Chelsea 7.60
Paris Saint Germain 9.95

Chelsea's recent games put the relevance of these quotes into question, but on the other hand, such a coefficient means that their chances are about 12%, which seems quite adequate knowing the history of Chelsea. Chelsea are experienced cup fighters and can beat any team in a head-to-head match.

I think this rate of the Paris team can be considered a surprise. I was thinking that Manchester City or Paris Saint-Germain would win the UCL this year. However, the ratios are misleading me. Perhaps because of the Real Madrid-PSG match, Paris Saint-Germain's rate is so high. If they can knock out Real Madrid, they can drop their odds and become one of the favourites.

Chance for PSG and Manchester City win champion league in this season look joke because they not have mentality how to be the winner in champion league competition, City success reach final stage last year but defeat by Chelsea have under position on the table at primer league than Manchester City, although success get primer league trophy is not guarantee with City can defeat Chelsea on final stage of champion league, for PSG I don't see need to be favorite team because inconsistent performance in champion league group we can see how long PSG step on champion league.

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If you are so sure of this, then you should bet on this event - you can easily increase your money by 9 times. Paris Saint-Germain 9.95 - such odds are offered by bookmakers now. Just note that at the moment PSG is not a favorite according to the bookmakers - there are already 4 clubs ahead, so such a bet will be very risky.

Four clubs ahead of PSG as the favorites to win the Champions League?
That means he's fifth.

Who are the other clubs?
I would say Man City, Bayern, Liverpool, who was the other?
Juventus? I don't think so.

You will be surprised, but this is Chelsea:

Manchester City FC 3.80
Bayern Munich 4.65
Liverpool 6.05
Chelsea 7.60
Paris Saint Germain 9.95

Chelsea's recent games put the relevance of these quotes into question, but on the other hand, such a coefficient means that their chances are about 12%, which seems quite adequate knowing the history of Chelsea. Chelsea are experienced cup fighters and can beat any team in a head-to-head match.

I think this rate of the Paris team can be considered a surprise. I was thinking that Manchester City or Paris Saint-Germain would win the UCL this year. However, the ratios are misleading me. Perhaps because of the Real Madrid-PSG match, Paris Saint-Germain's rate is so high. If they can knock out Real Madrid, they can drop their odds and become one of the favourites.

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on January 23, 2022, 01:22:12 PM

I didn't mean it doesn't worth anything, I am sorry for my wrong wording of the situation. I just meant that just because they are dominating in the league, doesn't mean they will dominate UCL as well. That is why I gave Chelsea example, because last season City dominated the league and then lost to Chelsea, which is why I feel like that's the type of situation City "may" find themselves in all over again.

In that case, I agree with you because there is always a chance of a good team losing doesn't matter how well they are performing right at that moment and it is absolutely true that even though they are performing really well right now in the league, UCL might be a different ball game. But if Manchester City loses it will be a disappointing result for them and also for the fans it will be unexpected.

Quote from: RealMalatesta on January 23, 2022, 01:22:12 PM

Obviously it may not be like that, they may end up winning as well, what I am trying to say is not that they will lose, all I wanted to say is that there is a chance they may lose. I mean how many teams are leading a big league? Bayern with Bundesliga, PSG with ligue 1, Real Madrid with La Liga, City with EPL. We all know that eventually one of them will be eliminated, and maybe some team who doesn't even lead their league may end up winning as well.

I also agree with you on the fact that at least one of these four teams are going to be eliminated and it obviously can be Manchester City. But if I have to predict that one team which looks more likely to be out of the UCL has to be e PSG. I am sorry to say but PSG looks worse than the other three.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on January 23, 2022, 03:39:39 AM

Well, I wouldn't say that being great in the league means nothing. If you did then the team should not push for first place in their own league. For me, Man City has been dominant in their league and should also do good in the Champions League but all we can do is predict because obviously, we are not sure what's going to happen in the future. They can win they can lose. If you look at it like that then everything is 50/50.

But considering the fact that they are really informed and generally, they should carry this form in the Champions League and also bring good results.

I didn't mean it doesn't worth anything, I am sorry for my wrong wording of the situation. I just meant that just because they are dominating in the league, doesn't mean they will dominate UCL as well. That is why I gave Chelsea example, because last season City dominated the league and then lost to Chelsea, which is why I feel like that's the type of situation City "may" find themselves in all over again.

Obviously it may not be like that, they may end up winning as well, what I am trying to say is not that they will lose, all I wanted to say is that there is a chance they may lose. I mean how many teams are leading a big league? Bayern with Bundesliga, PSG with ligue 1, Real Madrid with La Liga, City with EPL. We all know that eventually one of them will be eliminated, and maybe some team who doesn't even lead their league may end up winning as well.

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Atletico Madrid - Manchester United matchup is a really tough one for both clubs. Manchester United seem to be a little closer to advancing to the next round but it is still hard to predict. Because although Atletico Madrid are having a difficult time these days, they are still an unpredictable club. They can surprise everyone by showing a decent performance. But if Manchester United get an advantageous score in Wanda Metropolitano, then they can finish this home.

Both teams are not at their best. While Atletico got off to a great start to the season, they have slowed down considerably in recent games. Manchester United, on the other hand, started the season weakly, but has improved a lot in recent games since Rangnick became coach, especially in defense, and the trend is pointing upward. That's why I would see ManUnited with a slight advantage. But in principle I see the match completely open.

It's almost equal when viewed in their respective leagues and indeed Manchester United has sped up a bit after the update from the new coach to Rangnick and it's a good change where Manchester United started the game competing in their domestic league.
In the Champions League it will be more surprising that both clubs will try to win but we know Atletico are better than unexpected attacks even though they are on a decline but this match is indeed equal.

Yes, I have to agree and this is absolutely true that both the teams, Atletico Madrid and Manchester United are not in top shape right now. They have been facing a lot of problems but at present, they seem to be starting to solve these one by one. But some things that I have to say is Manchester United seems to steam the show at the last minute of the match. The event scored a 93-minute goal in their last match.

So they are obviously determined and passionate about their game. And Atletico Madrid can be really unpredictable. So it is really hard to predict any one of these teams and I also certainly think that the match is going to be equal.

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Quote from: diyetisman on January 22, 2022, 03:53:16 PM

According to the recent odds, PSG are not even one of the biggest three candidates to win the Champions League title now. I wonder why bookmakers are thinking like this now. PSG still don't seem the biggest candidate maybe but they are not much weaker than Manchester City in the end. They should have been given a much lower odd than this. I think that PSG are strong enough to reach the final at least. Maybe it is doubtful if they can win the title but they can reach the final. And they should do so before losing Mbappe.

Personally I wouldn't consider them amongst my favorite three candidates, but the thing is if you look at their individual quality, anything is possible and things can change quickly, but as for now I can understand why the bookmakers have the odds fixed that way, if you look at PSG during the group stage, they weren't as good as people thought they would, they were not too bad idea, but City were by far the better team in the group, and even in their domestic league, they lead the standings, but they aren't in scintillating form.

Having said that, it's still very much possible that PSG would make it to the final, but for now, I can't tip them for that, except Pochettino is able to gather his boys effectively and unleash them, but for now they are not really great as a team. City, Bayern, Real Madrid are better candidates to lift the trophy if you ask me.

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Quote from: Turbolinea on January 22, 2022, 06:58:34 AM

Atletico Madrid - Manchester United matchup is a really tough one for both clubs. Manchester United seem to be a little closer to advancing to the next round but it is still hard to predict. Because although Atletico Madrid are having a difficult time these days, they are still an unpredictable club. They can surprise everyone by showing a decent performance. But if Manchester United get an advantageous score in Wanda Metropolitano, then they can finish this home.

Both teams are not at their best. While Atletico got off to a great start to the season, they have slowed down considerably in recent games. Manchester United, on the other hand, started the season weakly, but has improved a lot in recent games since Rangnick became coach, especially in defense, and the trend is pointing upward. That's why I would see ManUnited with a slight advantage. But in principle I see the match completely open.

It's almost equal when viewed in their respective leagues and indeed Manchester United has sped up a bit after the update from the new coach to Rangnick and it's a good change where Manchester United started the game competing in their domestic league.
In the Champions League it will be more surprising that both clubs will try to win but we know Atletico are better than unexpected attacks even though they are on a decline but this match is indeed equal.

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