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Quote from: Turbolinea on January 22, 2022, 06:58:34 AM

Atletico Madrid - Manchester United matchup is a really tough one for both clubs. Manchester United seem to be a little closer to advancing to the next round but it is still hard to predict. Because although Atletico Madrid are having a difficult time these days, they are still an unpredictable club. They can surprise everyone by showing a decent performance. But if Manchester United get an advantageous score in Wanda Metropolitano, then they can finish this home.

Both teams are not at their best. While Atletico got off to a great start to the season, they have slowed down considerably in recent games. Manchester United, on the other hand, started the season weakly, but has improved a lot in recent games since Rangnick became coach, especially in defense, and the trend is pointing upward. That's why I would see ManUnited with a slight advantage. But in principle I see the match completely open.

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I would have added PSG but to me PSG aren’t really a team that can compete with Bayern Munich even with all those great players in the team especially the attack, the chemistry isn’t really there when they play and that is why they are having a hard time scoring goals. Domestically PSG have lost just one match with 5 draws and winning 15 games, but we know they are not really in a competitive league. And I don’t think the manager have enough champions league experience to know the right thing to do when the going gets tough. Champions league is very competitive and considered the highest league trophy in football.

PSG is a great team if you look at them on paper but considering the fact that they don't have much competition in their League, and Neymar currently seems to be more concerned about fragging out in counter strike global offensive than to scoring goals,

I don't think PSG is in any situation to beat Bayern Munich in the Champions League.

And I think we can all agree that we have never seen that type of chemistry which we expected from the star players in the team. And I also agree about the manager not being very experienced in the Champions League. So I honestly do not give PSG much of a chance to beat Bayern Munich in the Champions League.

I agree with you, I don't see the chemistry in the trio either, if they did, they would be scoring goals every game. And I think the problem is with Mbappe rather than Neymar. Killian probably wants to move to another club sooner rather than later, but he's scoring goals here too, which is good. I basically expected more from Messi at his new club, not a couple of goals... That's why I don't expect PSG to win the Champions League

If you don't think about it as one player not playing to his best and instead you think of it as the trio not clicking, I think it starts to make more sense.

Messi was the star of Barcelona and when he left he felt like a man out of his home and Neymar always wanted to go back to Barcelona to play with Messi which obviously never happened.
And for Mbappé I don't think he is going to perform his best if he stays in the club and for him, it might be more of a homesick issue than anything else.

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on January 22, 2022, 04:28:56 PM

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Man City is 11 points clear of Liverpool which is in second place so Man City shouldn't really worry about the English Premier League right now.
And they are also in the top position in UEFA Champions League in their group. But they are only one point clear of PSG. So I don't think that this should be any problem for them too.
As @hahay previously mentioned they are used to rotations, these matches should not be a problem for Manchester City to win.
Anyway, Manchester City has a match against Southampton tonight which I think ok Manchester city is going to win easily unless something miracles happen.

Champions league is a different beast, City has been doing as well as hoped and still lost last year. I mean if you asked 100 people, 90+ would say that City would beat Chelsea but we know how it turned out. Champions league is elimination level and just because of that, it becomes a bit of a problem for teams like City. They could be great teams, they could be awesome in a league format, but when it comes to elimination games, they could lose some games.

We have seen this with Liverpool before as well, while becoming champions in their league, they were horrible at champions league and lost. So, it is not really easy to achieve it all at the same time, sometimes it takes a bit of a time. Maybe this is their year and they will be good, or maybe this is once again another year where they will realize being great in the league means nothing.

Well, I wouldn't say that being great in the league means nothing. If you did then the team should not push for first place in their own league. For me, Man City has been dominant in their league and should also do good in the Champions League but all we can do is predict because obviously, we are not sure what's going to happen in the future. They can win they can lose. If you look at it like that then everything is 50/50.

But considering the fact that they are really informed and generally, they should carry this form in the Champions League and also bring good results.

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Quote from: diyetisman on January 22, 2022, 03:53:16 PM

According to the recent odds, PSG are not even one of the biggest three candidates to win the Champions League title now.

Yeah, but at least PSG will be in the next stage because right now, they are the runner-up of the stage. But of course, to be the championship in UEFA will not be easy. Moreover, so far, other clubs like Man City, Real Madrid, Bayern, and Liverpool are also having very good plays. So, it will not be easy at all.

Quote from: baeva on January 22, 2022, 04:20:15 PM

I agree with you, I don't see the chemistry in the trio either, if they did, they would be scoring goals every game.

They actually have their own advantages. But somehow they seem difficult to put together. Maybe because the superiority of each player makes this condition? Or the tactics used so far are still not good and right.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on January 22, 2022, 03:21:42 AM

Man City is 11 points clear of Liverpool which is in second place so Man City shouldn't really worry about the English Premier League right now.

And they are also in the top position in UEFA Champions League in their group. But they are only one point clear of PSG. So I don't think that this should be any problem for them too.

As @hahay previously mentioned they are used to rotations, these matches should not be a problem for Manchester City to win.

Anyway, Manchester City has a match against Southampton tonight which I think ok Manchester city is going to win easily unless something miracles happen.

Champions league is a different beast, City has been doing as well as hoped and still lost last year. I mean if you asked 100 people, 90+ would say that City would beat Chelsea but we know how it turned out. Champions league is elimination level and just because of that, it becomes a bit of a problem for teams like City. They could be great teams, they could be awesome in a league format, but when it comes to elimination games, they could lose some games.

We have seen this with Liverpool before as well, while becoming champions in their league, they were horrible at champions league and lost. So, it is not really easy to achieve it all at the same time, sometimes it takes a bit of a time. Maybe this is their year and they will be good, or maybe this is once again another year where they will realize being great in the league means nothing.

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I would have added PSG but to me PSG aren’t really a team that can compete with Bayern Munich even with all those great players in the team especially the attack, the chemistry isn’t really there when they play and that is why they are having a hard time scoring goals. Domestically PSG have lost just one match with 5 draws and winning 15 games, but we know they are not really in a competitive league. And I don’t think the manager have enough champions league experience to know the right thing to do when the going gets tough. Champions league is very competitive and considered the highest league trophy in football.

PSG is a great team if you look at them on paper but considering the fact that they don't have much competition in their League, and Neymar currently seems to be more concerned about fragging out in counter strike global offensive than to scoring goals,

I don't think PSG is in any situation to beat Bayern Munich in the Champions League.

And I think we can all agree that we have never seen that type of chemistry which we expected from the star players in the team. And I also agree about the manager not being very experienced in the Champions League. So I honestly do not give PSG much of a chance to beat Bayern Munich in the Champions League.

I agree with you, I don't see the chemistry in the trio either, if they did, they would be scoring goals every game. And I think the problem is with Mbappe rather than Neymar. Killian probably wants to move to another club sooner rather than later, but he's scoring goals here too, which is good. I basically expected more from Messi at his new club, not a couple of goals... That's why I don't expect PSG to win the Champions League

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According to the recent odds, PSG are not even one of the biggest three candidates to win the Champions League title now. I wonder why bookmakers are thinking like this now. PSG still don't seem the biggest candidate maybe but they are not much weaker than Manchester City in the end. They should have been given a much lower odd than this. I think that PSG are strong enough to reach the final at least. Maybe it is doubtful if they can win the title but they can reach the final. And they should do so before losing Mbappe.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 21, 2022, 10:30:20 AM

Manchester City FC 3.80
Bayern Munich 4.65
Liverpool 6.05
Chelsea 7.60
Paris Saint Germain 9.95

Is it odd for who will win the title? Where's odd for RMA? I see PSG irrelevant here as they will be eliminated by RMA in next round. Who else believe this is going to happen? RMA is having great performance and I am expecting them to qualify for the next round beating PSG.

The bookies are really make us confused with these odds lol.

just because chelsea makes a huge surprise last season with quite huge odds ... bookies decided to put them on top 5 to win the title no matter how messed up they are in recent weeks.
also chelsea had a weaker opponent in the round of 16 , other factors? idk .
real madrid had a great weeks and sitting on top in the domestic league ... yet they are out of top 5 favorites , it seems the recent games doesnt count for the odds. real madrid for sure should be on the list!

Here I agree with you most of time Bookies create confusion with these odds, and they have good success because many times punters place bets with these odds and lost money like many peoples feeling about these favorite teams can do some good but most of the time they fail in quarter-finals and semi-finals for having good way for teams which were not good in early stages.

Chelsea is currently very poor and this has not impact on their Champions League odds because we all know they can do very good, and they have weak opponent on other side we all know Real Madrid is doing very good, but they have very tough match even we all know they can beat PSG as they fail to do some good with many stars in team. I have my own list of teams those can go through like Liverpool, Real Madrid, Juventus and Chelsea have fair chance to win this year's title.

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Quote from: Pffrt on January 22, 2022, 07:52:47 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on January 21, 2022, 10:30:20 AM

Manchester City FC 3.80
Bayern Munich 4.65
Liverpool 6.05
Chelsea 7.60
Paris Saint Germain 9.95

Is it odd for who will win the title? Where's odd for RMA? I see PSG irrelevant here as they will be eliminated by RMA in next round. Who else believe this is going to happen? RMA is having great performance and I am expecting them to qualify for the next round beating PSG.

The bookies are really make us confused with these odds lol.

just because chelsea makes a huge surprise last season with quite huge odds ... bookies decided to put them on top 5 to win the title no matter how messed up they are in recent weeks.
also chelsea had a weaker opponent in the round of 16 , other factors? idk .
real madrid had a great weeks and sitting on top in the domestic league ... yet they are out of top 5 favorites , it seems the recent games doesnt count for the odds. real madrid for sure should be on the list!

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You will be surprised, but this is Chelsea:

Manchester City FC 3.80
Bayern Munich 4.65
Liverpool 6.05
Chelsea 7.60
Paris Saint Germain 9.95

Chelsea's recent games put the relevance of these quotes into question, but on the other hand, such a coefficient means that their chances are about 12%, which seems quite adequate knowing the history of Chelsea. Chelsea are experienced cup fighters and can beat any team in a head-to-head match.

Every year we have some hard talks about this but sadly most of the time no can give correct predictions about this all because it's not easy for anyone on his day any team can perform good and able to lift trophy right now we have three hot favorites, but I have my own view about this all because so now I am feeling about this season we have Real Madrid, Liverpool, Juventus and Bayern Munich to win title but still it's my own predictions without any strong logic.

Many believed that PSG and Manchester City both having good chance to win this year's title, but I have no interest because I am feeling you can create great team with money but can't win against talented teams on this level.

First of all, I want to say that Chelsea, Bayern, and even more so Real Madrid ( Grin

) were also created with money. But I am also rooting against the "new" moneybags City and PSG, I hope that they will not be able to reach the main trophy for a long time.
As for the potential champion, there is no point in arguing - each of the teams (maybe with the exception of Lille and Salzburg) that has reached this stage is able to lift the cup over its head.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on January 21, 2022, 03:08:06 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on January 21, 2022, 10:30:20 AM

You will be surprised, but this is Chelsea:
Manchester City FC 3.80
Bayern Munich 4.65
Liverpool 6.05
Chelsea 7.60
Paris Saint Germain 9.95
Chelsea's recent games put the relevance of these quotes into question, but on the other hand, such a coefficient means that their chances are about 12%, which seems quite adequate knowing the history of Chelsea. Chelsea are experienced cup fighters and can beat any team in a head-to-head match.

Every year we have some hard talks about this but sadly most of the time no can give correct predictions about this all because it's not easy for anyone on his day any team can perform good and able to lift trophy right now we have three hot favorites, but I have my own view about this all because so now I am feeling about this season we have Real Madrid, Liverpool, Juventus and Bayern Munich to win title but still it's my own predictions without any strong logic.
Many believed that PSG and Manchester City both having good chance to win this year's title, but I have no interest because I am feeling you can create great team with money but can't win against talented teams on this level.

Even though a lot of people think that PSG is a really good team, in my opinion, I don't think that they are going to lift the Champions League trophy.
They have not shown any performance which suggests that they can do such a thing.

Manchester City is a strong contender for the trophy in my opinion.
But I cannot honestly shake the feeling that Bayern Munich is the strongest team here and they can beat any team regardless of their form and the players that are playing in the opening 11, by a scoreline of a tennis match. They can beat any team at any given time.

Sorry cutlass of what others say and what the stats suggest, I think Bayern Munich might lift the trophy.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 21, 2022, 10:30:20 AM

Manchester City FC 3.80
Bayern Munich 4.65
Liverpool 6.05
Chelsea 7.60
Paris Saint Germain 9.95

Is it odd for who will win the title? Where's odd for RMA? I see PSG irrelevant here as they will be eliminated by RMA in next round. Who else believe this is going to happen? RMA is having great performance and I am expecting them to qualify for the next round beating PSG.

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Atletico Madrid - Manchester United matchup is a really tough one for both clubs. Manchester United seem to be a little closer to advancing to the next round but it is still hard to predict. Because although Atletico Madrid are having a difficult time these days, they are still an unpredictable club. They can surprise everyone by showing a decent performance. But if Manchester United get an advantageous score in Wanda Metropolitano, then they can finish this home.

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I know both team not faced difficulty on 16 phase round because Bayern Munich looks easy how to defeat FC Red Bull Salzburg as Austrian team and become easy to win for first and second leg. For Manchester City I think the same chance to pass on quarter final because his against on 16 round only Sporting Lisbon. Easy for Manchester City defeat Sporting and not really worry to predict Bayern and Manchester City lead to quarter final of champion league in this season.

It will also be very interesting if Bayern Munich and Manchester City can compete in the quarter-finals of the champions league this season.
But if you look at several other clubs who will also enliven great matches this season, I also believe in PSG and Real Madrid to be in the quarter-finals although a little less sure of getting into the champions league final this season.

It your opinion, i know another person will also drop his own analysis of the league, it is not club, what is really interesting is players because i can see that some of the club that does not have good player, Chelsea players can not be use to compare to bayern players, from the rate of players, but from the analysis Manchester city players is some thing we can compare their players, but i believe that bayern will stand to win from this two teams

This is the Champions League so if a team wants to win here everything has to come and work together for that win. The players the coaches everyone should do their job correctly to lead their team to victory. And players' form is of real importance here. I also believe that Bayern Munich and Manchester City should face off in the quarter-finals. And also on the other hand PSG vs Real Madrid.
About the championship winners, I think Bayern Munich has a real good chance of winning this if they don't choke under pressure.
And if we do get to see a PSG vs Real Madrid match it will be really interesting from a viewer's point of view.

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You will be surprised, but this is Chelsea:

Manchester City FC 3.80
Bayern Munich 4.65
Liverpool 6.05
Chelsea 7.60
Paris Saint Germain 9.95

I see.
But Chelsea earned that position in the Champions League win favorites because they won the competition last year. And they were expected to perform better this time. Honestly, just like last year I had some doubts about Chelsea's victory, this year I have the same ones.

Last year was wrong, this year could be the same. But looking at Chelsea's recent performances, I have some doubts that things will go as well as last year.

Chelsea was a big surprise last season but this season there have obviously been big problems for the team.
It started with Lukaku and his unfortunate interview and now there are obviously serious problems in the relationship of other players with the coach.
Chelsea were not the best team in the Champions League last year, but in key matches they were compact, a real team with team spirit and managed to win the Champions League.
This year they are not at that level and it is not realistic to expect them to repeat the success from last year.
The obvious favorites are Manchester City, Bayern, PSG and Real.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on January 21, 2022, 10:27:32 AM

I would have added PSG but to me PSG aren’t really a team that can compete with Bayern Munich even with all those great players in the team especially the attack, the chemistry isn’t really there when they play and that is why they are having a hard time scoring goals. Domestically PSG have lost just one match with 5 draws and winning 15 games, but we know they are not really in a competitive league. And I don’t think the manager have enough champions league experience to know the right thing to do when the going gets tough. Champions league is very competitive and considered the highest league trophy in football.

PSG is a great team if you look at them on paper but considering the fact that they don't have much competition in their League, and Neymar currently seems to be more concerned about fragging out in counter strike global offensive than to scoring goals,

I don't think PSG is in any situation to beat Bayern Munich in the Champions League.

And I think we can all agree that we have never seen that type of chemistry which we expected from the star players in the team. And I also agree about the manager not being very experienced in the Champions League. So I honestly do not give PSG much of a chance to beat Bayern Munich in the Champions League.

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But at least in terms of teams that can appear more consistent in their respective leagues, it looks like a possible result for them to advance to the final match or maybe get the UCL title this season. Therefore, if we associate the teams that are at least more consistent in their respective leagues so far, then we will get a team with big names. But tougher competition is of course the main thing and it is Manchester City who can beat Chelsea and Liverpool who are both in their best form, in contrast to the competition in other teams and leagues such as Bayern Munich, PSG and Real Madrid. Their rival teams are not strong enough there but indeed, it does not promise a definite victory but at least, their morale has been formed from the intense competition from their respective leagues.

This is the point. At the moment the most balanced championship is the Premier League. Where there are several candidates for first place. Despite this, Man City are comfortably in first.
In the other championships - French, German and Spanish, there is not so much balance. And so the advantages of these teams are not surprising. Strange would be Real, Bayern or PSG not to be first. If Man City weren't in first, I wouldn't be surprised.

Manchester City which really has a better performance in the EPL with more intense competition there, of course Manchester City will be better prepared to play further in this UCL. Because they are used to doing rotations and the opponents they face are also difficult in the EPL as we know. Therefore, I personally believe Manchester City will continue their trend of getting to the final like the previous season, but to become the holder of the UCL title this season I think it will still be open to the big teams who are in this phase.

Keep consistent on EPL and gap ten points above from Liverpool and Chelsea not really big problem for Manchester City with champion league and they can use second composition player trough match EPP when closing with champion league 16 round match. But sporting Lisbon should easy for Manchester City and waiting for which one team as against on quarter final. If Manchester City keep consistent on EPP before champion league 16 round begin they will easy how to get composition player because not really worry with EPL and gap many points from second and third position team.

Man City is 11 points clear of Liverpool which is in second place so Man City shouldn't really worry about the English Premier League right now.

And they are also in the top position in UEFA Champions League in their group. But they are only one point clear of PSG. So I don't think that this should be any problem for them too.

As @hahay previously mentioned they are used to rotations, these matches should not be a problem for Manchester City to win.

Anyway, Manchester City has a match against Southampton tonight which I think ok Manchester city is going to win easily unless something miracles happen.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 21, 2022, 10:30:20 AM

You will be surprised, but this is Chelsea:

Manchester City FC 3.80
Bayern Munich 4.65
Liverpool 6.05
Chelsea 7.60
Paris Saint Germain 9.95

I see.
But Chelsea earned that position in the Champions League win favorites because they won the competition last year. And they were expected to perform better this time. Honestly, just like last year I had some doubts about Chelsea's victory, this year I have the same ones.

Last year was wrong, this year could be the same. But looking at Chelsea's recent performances, I have some doubts that things will go as well as last year.

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I know both team not faced difficulty on 16 phase round because Bayern Munich looks easy how to defeat FC Red Bull Salzburg as Austrian team and become easy to win for first and second leg. For Manchester City I think the same chance to pass on quarter final because his against on 16 round only Sporting Lisbon. Easy for Manchester City defeat Sporting and not really worry to predict Bayern and Manchester City lead to quarter final of champion league in this season.

It will also be very interesting if Bayern Munich and Manchester City can compete in the quarter-finals of the champions league this season.
But if you look at several other clubs who will also enliven great matches this season, I also believe in PSG and Real Madrid to be in the quarter-finals although a little less sure of getting into the champions league final this season.

It your opinion, i know another person will also drop his own analysis of the league, it is not club, what is really interesting is players because i can see that some of the club that does not have good player, Chelsea players can not be use to compare to bayern players, from the rate of players, but from the analysis Manchester city players is some thing we can compare their players, but i believe that bayern will stand to win from this two teams

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Quote from: hahay on January 21, 2022, 10:23:20 AM

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But at least in terms of teams that can appear more consistent in their respective leagues, it looks like a possible result for them to advance to the final match or maybe get the UCL title this season. Therefore, if we associate the teams that are at least more consistent in their respective leagues so far, then we will get a team with big names. But tougher competition is of course the main thing and it is Manchester City who can beat Chelsea and Liverpool who are both in their best form, in contrast to the competition in other teams and leagues such as Bayern Munich, PSG and Real Madrid. Their rival teams are not strong enough there but indeed, it does not promise a definite victory but at least, their morale has been formed from the intense competition from their respective leagues.

This is the point. At the moment the most balanced championship is the Premier League. Where there are several candidates for first place. Despite this, Man City are comfortably in first.

In the other championships - French, German and Spanish, there is not so much balance. And so the advantages of these teams are not surprising. Strange would be Real, Bayern or PSG not to be first. If Man City weren't in first, I wouldn't be surprised.

Manchester City which really has a better performance in the EPL with more intense competition there, of course Manchester City will be better prepared to play further in this UCL. Because they are used to doing rotations and the opponents they face are also difficult in the EPL as we know. Therefore, I personally believe Manchester City will continue their trend of getting to the final like the previous season, but to become the holder of the UCL title this season I think it will still be open to the big teams who are in this phase.

Keep consistent on EPL and gap ten points above from Liverpool and Chelsea not really big problem for Manchester City with champion league and they can use second composition player trough match EPP when closing with champion league 16 round match. But sporting Lisbon should easy for Manchester City and waiting for which one team as against on quarter final. If Manchester City keep consistent on EPP before champion league 16 round begin they will easy how to get composition player because not really worry with EPL and gap many points from second and third position team.

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