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Quote from: Apes on January 25, 2022, 04:43:34 AM

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The number of star players in one club makes the dressing room situation very difficult to overcome and makes conducive a very difficult thing. Currently, it is like the picture in the PSG dressing room, especially with the presence of Messi, making PSG increasingly dominated by star players, but on the one hand, almost every PSG striker from Neymar, Messi to Mbappe tries to impress by relying on individual skills without teamwork. But currently Lionel Messi is still injured and has not performed consistently with PSG in Ligue 1 and only contributed 1 goal. The situation is quite difficult considering Lionel Messi is the best player in the world today.

it is true that many star players the dressing room situation has become unstable especially regarding the sensitive issue of salary differences,
because the difference in salary makes the mentality of players to each other not conducive. the current problem in PSG and other big and rich club is, clubs can buy star players but can't buy or get trophies. However, buying a star player is a short way to give PSG the chance to pursue the CL trophy they have been dreaming of. Regarding PSG vs Real Madrid I think don't underestimate PSG they might give you an unexpected surprise.

Salary differences will always be a problem during this online world we live in. When it was a bit of older generation, even online world wasn't a big problem but these days the younger players were born into technology and they keep seeing these talks. It is not even about checking and seeing who makes how much, people knew this already, even before the online world it was official numbers that you could see, but nowadays we see the news.

You think Mbappe doesn't see news regarding Messi not even properly playing but making more than him? You don't think he sees newspapers making fun of it? You don't think there are many situations like that? The online world changed so much so that people are reacting to it and it is changing the future of the clubs.

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Quote from: Luzin on January 24, 2022, 10:48:18 AM

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I think this rate of the Paris team can be considered a surprise. I was thinking that Manchester City or Paris Saint-Germain would win the UCL this year. However, the ratios are misleading me. Perhaps because of the Real Madrid-PSG match, Paris Saint-Germain's rate is so high. If they can knock out Real Madrid, they can drop their odds and become one of the favourites.

I didn't even want PSG to make the final this season. Although they have a lot of great players, it doesn't seem like they have the UCL winning mentality in every player yet. Moreover, they will play Madrid, of course I will choose Madrid to win. At least all madrid players are more experienced than PSG this year. But I think the opportunity still exists for PSG they could certainly be a surprise and beat Madrid, Madrid must be vigilant.

Paris Saint-Germain and Real Madrid are almost the same teams. In fact, if we look at their squad, I can say that the Paris team is a team made up of better players. So it wouldn't be a surprise if Psg eliminate Real Madrid. I think the favorite team in this matchup is Paris. I think they can make it to the finals this year.

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Quote from: S A KHAIR on January 25, 2022, 04:02:13 AM

It is true that they look really stronger than real Madrid but judging by their performance, well at least this season does not look so promising. They are winning the league and I have no problem with that and no one does but we all can agree that there should have won the league more convincingly and asserted dominance. But in PSG vs Real Madrid, I think it is going to be an even match.

On this I have to agree. The PSG vs Real Madrid match will be very balanced.

PSG have a more valuable squad with better quality. Real Madrid, on the other hand, is working better as a group, despite not having so many stars.

I have a hard time seeing who can win this game, but I think Real Madrid have a slight advantage.

but who wants a balanced challenge !?
We want fun, lots of goals, spectacular saves.
Remember in the end we pay the stadium or television ticket to have fun, not to pay him his salary for no reason!
To me playing defensive to keep the result makes me very angry

It's true that we all want to see matches with lots of goals, full attacking mode from both teams but we also know that this can't happen. Both teams are strong and productive regarding scoring so I'm sure that we will see goals but indeed this "challenge" looks balanced enough. And to be honest, defense is vital to get trophies...

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Quote from: Apes on January 25, 2022, 04:43:34 AM

it is true that many star players the dressing room situation has become unstable especially regarding the sensitive issue of salary differences,
because the difference in salary makes the mentality of players to each other not conducive. the current problem in PSG and other big and rich club is, clubs can buy star players but can't buy or get trophies. However, buying a star player is a short way to give PSG the chance to pursue the CL trophy they have been dreaming of. Regarding PSG vs Real Madrid I think don't underestimate PSG they might give you an unexpected surprise.

That's why I'm generally a fan of salary caps, as they are in the U.S., for example. There are caps in basketball, football, soccer and ice hockey, although almost all clubs are owned by rich people or investors. This makes the competitions much more balanced and exciting than in Europe. In both the leagues and the European cups, you have a handful of clubs that win the titles regularly and it is very rare that an "outsider" club wins.

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Quote from: joker_josue on January 25, 2022, 06:28:02 AM

Quote from: S A KHAIR on January 25, 2022, 04:02:13 AM

It is true that they look really stronger than real Madrid but judging by their performance, well at least this season does not look so promising. They are winning the league and I have no problem with that and no one does but we all can agree that there should have won the league more convincingly and asserted dominance. But in PSG vs Real Madrid, I think it is going to be an even match.

On this I have to agree. The PSG vs Real Madrid match will be very balanced.

PSG have a more valuable squad with better quality. Real Madrid, on the other hand, is working better as a group, despite not having so many stars.

I have a hard time seeing who can win this game, but I think Real Madrid have a slight advantage.

but who wants a balanced challenge !?
We want fun, lots of goals, spectacular saves.
Remember in the end we pay the stadium or television ticket to have fun, not to pay him his salary for no reason!
To me playing defensive to keep the result makes me very angry

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Quote from: Mamun74 on January 25, 2022, 09:58:24 AM

PSG vs Real Madrid for some People It's a match like Final match because both team are favourite and have huge fan Both teams.Two team are Strong i hope this match will be heavy enjoyable. PSG star Messi,Bappi,Neymar they can change single match and they have and Madrid's Vini and Benzema is playing last some match very well.2week reaming round 16 match predict very difficult but i hope PSG will be qualify for next round.

It will be a fantastic match, but I'm sure PSG will go to the next round. I wish Real-Madrid's squad was like Real-Madrid in previous years. I think there will actually be over 2.5 predictable, mutual goals for this match. The forward lines of both teams are really creative and fast, we can see good goals with this quickness. Watching the mbappe, neymar and messi trio play against Real-madrid will make me feel a little different.

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PSG vs Real Madrid for some People It's a match like Final match because both team are favourite and have huge fan Both teams.Two team are Strong i hope this match will be heavy enjoyable. PSG star Messi,Bappi,Neymar they can change single match and they have and Madrid's Vini and Benzema is playing last some match very well.2week reaming round 16 match predict very difficult but i hope PSG will be qualify for next round.

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Quote from: bering on January 25, 2022, 07:55:09 AM

PSG vs Real Madrid for some people it similar just like early final match because while other favourite teams such as Bayern or Man City meet some of mediocre teams but unfortunately they have to met each other in knockout phase and 2 weeks remaining round 16 will begin but to predict who is the winner of this match is very difficult because teams conditions can be change in the next two weeks but PSG has slightly advantages this time because for first leg playing at their home ground

Yes, the situation will always change and I agree for this first leg PSG are the favorites and it can be seen from the odds available at the moment. Even though PSG will benefit from playing at home, I personally still don't believe PSG will win because these two teams look evenly matched. Therefore, a draw I think is something that might happen in this first leg without a goal, although yesterday PSG could win big in Ligue 1. But I believe in the UCL match in this first leg, maybe both teams will play with heart high caution which will result in them being difficult to score.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on January 25, 2022, 08:28:51 AM

I feel that Real Madrid has a slight advantage due to Ancellotti experience, but Poch will also be keen to prove a point and make a name for himself by beating Real Madrid. Lastly the presence of Messi and Ramos working together against Real Madrid will be a treat for the eyes, and if Ramos assists Messi for the goal then I wonder will Real Madrid fans forgive him in case that’s the winning goal?.

The main attractions in this match will be Messi, Ramos and Mbappe. Messi has had a stellar performance against Real Madrid in the past. And in many matches he brought victory to Barcelona. Ramos has long been the captain of Real Madrid. He can be considered as a legendary player of Real Madrid. Will play against Real Madrid. Mbappe, the third player, Real Madrid management is trying to get him in the team. We've heard in the past that Mbappe's dream was to play for Real Madrid.
If PSG wants to win, these three players have to play a major role. Although the forward is good, PSG's defense is weak. Coach Pochettino should keep this in mind. Ramos will have to play a major role in the defense.

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Quote from: S A KHAIR on January 25, 2022, 04:02:13 AM

It is true that they look really stronger than real Madrid but judging by their performance, well at least this season does not look so promising. They are winning the league and I have no problem with that and no one does but we all can agree that there should have won the league more convincingly and asserted dominance. But in PSG vs Real Madrid, I think it is going to be an even match.

On this I have to agree. The PSG vs Real Madrid match will be very balanced.

PSG have a more valuable squad with better quality. Real Madrid, on the other hand, is working better as a group, despite not having so many stars.

I have a hard time seeing who can win this game, but I think Real Madrid have a slight advantage.

PSG as the host, I believe will make Real Madrid difficult to take advantage of with a rumble of fans, even though they have a solid squad but PSG knows how to hold them because Ramos is a person who understands inside out how they are playing very well. he was very fit after full playing vs Remis and created 1 goal for PSG and reap threats for ex-club

I feel that Real Madrid has a slight advantage due to Ancellotti experience, but Poch will also be keen to prove a point and make a name for himself by beating Real Madrid. Lastly the presence of Messi and Ramos working together against Real Madrid will be a treat for the eyes, and if Ramos assists Messi for the goal then I wonder will Real Madrid fans forgive him in case that’s the winning goal?.

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PSG vs Real Madrid for some people it similar just like early final match because while other favourite teams such as Bayern or Man City meet some of mediocre teams but unfortunately they have to met each other in knockout phase and 2 weeks remaining round 16 will begin but to predict who is the winner of this match is very difficult because teams conditions can be change in the next two weeks but PSG has slightly advantages this time because for first leg playing at their home ground

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Quote from: joker_josue on January 25, 2022, 06:28:02 AM

Quote from: S A KHAIR on January 25, 2022, 04:02:13 AM

It is true that they look really stronger than real Madrid but judging by their performance, well at least this season does not look so promising. They are winning the league and I have no problem with that and no one does but we all can agree that there should have won the league more convincingly and asserted dominance. But in PSG vs Real Madrid, I think it is going to be an even match.

On this I have to agree. The PSG vs Real Madrid match will be very balanced.

PSG have a more valuable squad with better quality. Real Madrid, on the other hand, is working better as a group, despite not having so many stars.

I have a hard time seeing who can win this game, but I think Real Madrid have a slight advantage.

PSG as the host, I believe will make Real Madrid difficult to take advantage of with a rumble of fans, even though they have a solid squad but PSG knows how to hold them because Ramos is a person who understands inside out how they are playing very well. he was very fit after full playing vs Remis and created 1 goal for PSG and reap threats for ex-club

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Quote from: S A KHAIR on January 25, 2022, 04:02:13 AM

It is true that they look really stronger than real Madrid but judging by their performance, well at least this season does not look so promising. They are winning the league and I have no problem with that and no one does but we all can agree that there should have won the league more convincingly and asserted dominance. But in PSG vs Real Madrid, I think it is going to be an even match.

On this I have to agree. The PSG vs Real Madrid match will be very balanced.

PSG have a more valuable squad with better quality. Real Madrid, on the other hand, is working better as a group, despite not having so many stars.

I have a hard time seeing who can win this game, but I think Real Madrid have a slight advantage.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on January 24, 2022, 08:28:56 PM

The number of star players in one club makes the dressing room situation very difficult to overcome and makes conducive a very difficult thing. Currently, it is like the picture in the PSG dressing room, especially with the presence of Messi, making PSG increasingly dominated by star players, but on the one hand, almost every PSG striker from Neymar, Messi to Mbappe tries to impress by relying on individual skills without teamwork. But currently Lionel Messi is still injured and has not performed consistently with PSG in Ligue 1 and only contributed 1 goal. The situation is quite difficult considering Lionel Messi is the best player in the world today.

it is true that many star players the dressing room situation has become unstable especially regarding the sensitive issue of salary differences,
because the difference in salary makes the mentality of players to each other not conducive. the current problem in PSG and other big and rich club is, clubs can buy star players but can't buy or get trophies. However, buying a star player is a short way to give PSG the chance to pursue the CL trophy they have been dreaming of. Regarding PSG vs Real Madrid I think don't underestimate PSG they might give you an unexpected surprise.

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Quote from: babo on January 24, 2022, 11:32:46 AM

the problem of PSG is not the mentality, it is not lacking the presence of champions
the problem of PSG is the lack of cohesion of the team, a team must work together champions or not, and it is not easy or trivial to fit all the pieces together

Agree. PSG has many top players but they can't play well as a team. Those superstars like Neymar, Mbappe, or Messi can't show their best if there is no good teamwork among the players. I think they need a charismatic captain to solve this problem, but I have no idea who he is. A captain can have a big role to make the squad be solid in playing. He also can advise other players if needed. So far, I don't see any player in PSG who has that capacity. Another problem in PSG is about their midfield line, it doesn't look good enough. They need to buy some top midfielders who can deliver good passes and have the ability both in attacking and defending.

The number of star players in one club makes the dressing room situation very difficult to overcome and makes conducive a very difficult thing. Currently, it is like the picture in the PSG dressing room, especially with the presence of Messi, making PSG increasingly dominated by star players, but on the one hand, almost every PSG striker from Neymar, Messi to Mbappe tries to impress by relying on individual skills without teamwork. But currently Lionel Messi is still injured and has not performed consistently with PSG in Ligue 1 and only contributed 1 goal. The situation is quite difficult considering Lionel Messi is the best player in the world today.

I don't agree with Messi being said to be still the best player in the world, because now there are many other stars who have really had an influence on both their clubs and their respective national teams. The era of Messi seems to be over now, because no matter what kind of opponents PSG face in the League and in the UCL, Messi still struggles to score goals. But indeed, although Messi doesn't have many goals so far at PSG, but at least with Messi being able to create chances and provide assists it is enough for Messi to contribute at his age.

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I think this rate of the Paris team can be considered a surprise. I was thinking that Manchester City or Paris Saint-Germain would win the UCL this year. However, the ratios are misleading me. Perhaps because of the Real Madrid-PSG match, Paris Saint-Germain's rate is so high. If they can knock out Real Madrid, they can drop their odds and become one of the favourites.

I didn't even want PSG to make the final this season. Although they have a lot of great players, it doesn't seem like they have the UCL winning mentality in every player yet. Moreover, they will play Madrid, of course I will choose Madrid to win. At least all madrid players are more experienced than PSG this year. But I think the opportunity still exists for PSG they could certainly be a surprise and beat Madrid, Madrid must be vigilant.

PSG has always had one target. Not really their local league. If not past season, ligue 1 title has been their birth right.
They signed Neymar and Mbappe for this purpose and it didn't work.
They signed arguably the world best player - Messi, I believe they will fight to the end.
If they can escape Real Madrid, they will lift the trophy. Their major problem is Madrid because of experience. Madrid as a team has champions league final experience. Even the individual players has such experiences. So it will be tough.

Actually, let's not forget that Paris Saint-Germain also has the experience of the Champions League final and it was quite recently in 2020. It is not even necessary to talk about the winning experience of such players as Keylor Navas, Lionel Messi, Sergio Ramos. Paris Saint-Germain is really difficult to call the main favorite of the current Champions League draw, given the kind of game the club showed before, but on the other hand, I wouldn't be too surprised if they told me that PSG would win the Champions League. It's just that now the club needs to pass a very difficult barrier in the face of Real Madrid, and in terms of the status of its players, PSG is not lower, and in some ways even higher than Real Madrid.

It is well discussed in this topic that PSG looks really good and often too strong of a team on paper. but we all can agree that their results tell us a different story.

It is true that they look really stronger than real Madrid but judging by their performance, well at least this season does not look so promising. They are winning the league and I have no problem with that and no one does but we all can agree that there should have won the league more convincingly and asserted dominance. But in PSG vs Real Madrid, I think it is going to be an even match.

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Quote from: nurilham on January 24, 2022, 04:40:51 PM

Quote from: babo on January 24, 2022, 11:32:46 AM

the problem of PSG is not the mentality, it is not lacking the presence of champions
the problem of PSG is the lack of cohesion of the team, a team must work together champions or not, and it is not easy or trivial to fit all the pieces together

Agree. PSG has many top players but they can't play well as a team. Those superstars like Neymar, Mbappe, or Messi can't show their best if there is no good teamwork among the players. I think they need a charismatic captain to solve this problem, but I have no idea who he is. A captain can have a big role to make the squad be solid in playing. He also can advise other players if needed. So far, I don't see any player in PSG who has that capacity. Another problem in PSG is about their midfield line, it doesn't look good enough. They need to buy some top midfielders who can deliver good passes and have the ability both in attacking and defending.

The number of star players in one club makes the dressing room situation very difficult to overcome and makes conducive a very difficult thing. Currently, it is like the picture in the PSG dressing room, especially with the presence of Messi, making PSG increasingly dominated by star players, but on the one hand, almost every PSG striker from Neymar, Messi to Mbappe tries to impress by relying on individual skills without teamwork. But currently Lionel Messi is still injured and has not performed consistently with PSG in Ligue 1 and only contributed 1 goal. The situation is quite difficult considering Lionel Messi is the best player in the world today.

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Quote from: Luzin on January 24, 2022, 10:48:18 AM

Quote from: RaltcoinsB on January 24, 2022, 08:24:10 AM

I think this rate of the Paris team can be considered a surprise. I was thinking that Manchester City or Paris Saint-Germain would win the UCL this year. However, the ratios are misleading me. Perhaps because of the Real Madrid-PSG match, Paris Saint-Germain's rate is so high. If they can knock out Real Madrid, they can drop their odds and become one of the favourites.

I didn't even want PSG to make the final this season. Although they have a lot of great players, it doesn't seem like they have the UCL winning mentality in every player yet. Moreover, they will play Madrid, of course I will choose Madrid to win. At least all madrid players are more experienced than PSG this year. But I think the opportunity still exists for PSG they could certainly be a surprise and beat Madrid, Madrid must be vigilant.

PSG has always had one target. Not really their local league. If not past season, ligue 1 title has been their birth right.
They signed Neymar and Mbappe for this purpose and it didn't work.
They signed arguably the world best player - Messi, I believe they will fight to the end.
If they can escape Real Madrid, they will lift the trophy. Their major problem is Madrid because of experience. Madrid as a team has champions league final experience. Even the individual players has such experiences. So it will be tough.

Actually, let's not forget that Paris Saint-Germain also has the experience of the Champions League final and it was quite recently in 2020. It is not even necessary to talk about the winning experience of such players as Keylor Navas, Lionel Messi, Sergio Ramos. Paris Saint-Germain is really difficult to call the main favorite of the current Champions League draw, given the kind of game the club showed before, but on the other hand, I wouldn't be too surprised if they told me that PSG would win the Champions League. It's just that now the club needs to pass a very difficult barrier in the face of Real Madrid, and in terms of the status of its players, PSG is not lower, and in some ways even higher than Real Madrid.

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Quote from: RaltcoinsB on January 24, 2022, 08:24:10 AM

I think this rate of the Paris team can be considered a surprise. I was thinking that Manchester City or Paris Saint-Germain would win the UCL this year. However, the ratios are misleading me. Perhaps because of the Real Madrid-PSG match, Paris Saint-Germain's rate is so high. If they can knock out Real Madrid, they can drop their odds and become one of the favourites.

I didn't even want PSG to make the final this season. Although they have a lot of great players, it doesn't seem like they have the UCL winning mentality in every player yet. Moreover, they will play Madrid, of course I will choose Madrid to win. At least all madrid players are more experienced than PSG this year. But I think the opportunity still exists for PSG they could certainly be a surprise and beat Madrid, Madrid must be vigilant.

PSG has always had one target. Not really their local league. If not past season, ligue 1 title has been their birth right.
They signed Neymar and Mbappe for this purpose and it didn't work.
They signed arguably the world best player - Messi, I believe they will fight to the end.
If they can escape Real Madrid, they will lift the trophy. Their major problem is Madrid because of experience. Madrid as a team has champions league final experience. Even the individual players has such experiences. So it will be tough.

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Quote from: babo on January 24, 2022, 11:32:46 AM

the problem of PSG is not the mentality, it is not lacking the presence of champions
the problem of PSG is the lack of cohesion of the team, a team must work together champions or not, and it is not easy or trivial to fit all the pieces together

Agree. PSG has many top players but they can't play well as a team. Those superstars like Neymar, Mbappe, or Messi can't show their best if there is no good teamwork among the players. I think they need a charismatic captain to solve this problem, but I have no idea who he is. A captain can have a big role to make the squad be solid in playing. He also can advise other players if needed. So far, I don't see any player in PSG who has that capacity. Another problem in PSG is about their midfield line, it doesn't look good enough. They need to buy some top midfielders who can deliver good passes and have the ability both in attacking and defending.

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