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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on October 18, 2021, 01:47:31 PM

Quote from: masulum on October 18, 2021, 12:52:34 PM

Milan vs Porto is an important match for both teams. because the victory in this match will provide an opportunity to qualify for the next round. Milan is a team that is in a terrible position. They haven't got any points yet. Playing well in Serie A seems still not enough for Milan in ucl. If it is said that the Milan players do not have confidence in the UCL, they are still able to score goals against the opponent. and I don't think it's because of the experience of Milan players who are mostly new to the UCL. But their opponents are too strong for them.

Looking at AC Milan's performance in the last two matches, it seems that they want to focus on Serie A now. They may think they don't have a strong squad to win the Champions League. However, despite losing the previous two matches, they should have won against Porto. Porto is a bit weaker than the previous two teams. Although Porto has the ability to beat Milan. The match will be competitive. I think this match will be a 1-1 draw.

The situation with AC Milan is almost similar to Barcelona in UCL this year, lose the 2 first matches and stands in the bottom of the group standing.
Milan is little bit harder as there are two big and experienced team in the group (Liverpool and Atl Madrid).
With this situation, the chance for Milan to go further is low so it is reasonable enough if they will be more focusing on Serie A.
The match against Porto will be the main key IMO, if they can win and on the other match Liverpool can beat Atl Madrid then I think Milan can get a bigger hope to go further.

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I see there is another chance for PSG to win in the Champions League. Their next opponent seems to be Leipzig. It was really surprising to see PSG losing points against Club Brugge first. But against Manchester City, they performed really great and got a deserved 2-0 win. And now, Leipzig is an easier target for them compared to Manchester City. I don't expect PSG to make the same mistake they did against Club Brugge. They should be able to win against Leipzig as they are really terrible so far in the CL.

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Quote from: masulum on October 18, 2021, 12:52:34 PM

Milan vs Porto is an important match for both teams. because the victory in this match will provide an opportunity to qualify for the next round. Milan is a team that is in a terrible position. They haven't got any points yet. Playing well in Serie A seems still not enough for Milan in ucl. If it is said that the Milan players do not have confidence in the UCL, they are still able to score goals against the opponent. and I don't think it's because of the experience of Milan players who are mostly new to the UCL. But their opponents are too strong for them.

Looking at AC Milan's performance in the last two matches, it seems that they want to focus on Serie A now. They may think they don't have a strong squad to win the Champions League. However, despite losing the previous two matches, they should have won against Porto. Porto is a bit weaker than the previous two teams. Although Porto has the ability to beat Milan. The match will be competitive. I think this match will be a 1-1 draw.

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Club Brugge - Manchester City

it seems to me that they are underestimating Club Brugge, this odd of @1.30 in favor of the city seems to me to be too exaggerated considering that Club Brugge is a strong team

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FC Inter Milano - FC Sheriff

inter if play badly like played against lazio then will lose against the sheriff

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Quote from: masulum on October 18, 2021, 12:52:34 PM

Milan vs Porto is an important match for both teams. because the victory in this match will provide an opportunity to qualify for the next round. Milan is a team that is in a terrible position. They haven't got any points yet.

Porto is also in a very unstable phase, with some internal conflicts. Even so, I think they will play well against Milan as they usually have good performances in the Champions League. It will definitely be a well-played game.

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Milan vs Porto is an important match for both teams. because the victory in this match will provide an opportunity to qualify for the next round. Milan is a team that is in a terrible position. They haven't got any points yet. Playing well in Serie A seems still not enough for Milan in ucl. If it is said that the Milan players do not have confidence in the UCL, they are still able to score goals against the opponent. and I don't think it's because of the experience of Milan players who are mostly new to the UCL. But their opponents are too strong for them.

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Quote from: blue Snow on October 17, 2021, 04:38:27 AM

Quote from: kassex on October 16, 2021, 02:13:03 PM

What happened in Madrid is unlikely to happen again. Inter will be as concentrated as possible in this match. I think Inter will take 6 points in the next two matches against the Sheriff.Real Madrid underestimated the opponent, Inter will not make this mistake. Moreover, failure in the matches against the Sheriff will put an end to the team's prospects in the Champions League.

D group is a very interesting match, Sheriff makes them be an unexpected club, in the beginning, all eye both to Madrid and Inter Milan, all bet to both be as the top stand, but in the middle way all changed, sheriff as an underdog make a big surprised be superior, they defeated Madrid and Shakhtar and we'll see in the next game, Will they defeat Inter also?. This should be an alert for Inter.

It is undeniable that everyone initially thought the sheriff was a team that only became a source of points for other teams in group D, but from the two matches they have gone through, they actually surprised us all by defeating madrid and shaktar, to be honest in my opinion two wins the sheriff is a win just fortune because madrid is currently in a pretty bad form, and if indeed they manage to beat or at least hold a draw with inter milan in the next match, of course it will prove if the sheriff win because of their prowess and not just luck, if they manage to beat intermil later, of course this will be a warning to other big teams not to underestimate the sheriff if they qualify for the next round.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on October 18, 2021, 08:57:47 AM

^ It's true In the CL or actually in European football in general, comparatively smaller teams are playing very well this season. We have already seen Sheriff upset Real Madrid and Bayern lose to Frankfurt and so on. But overall, EPL teams look quite solid in the Champions League as the mighty Real Madrid and Barcelona have kind of lost their track after the last transfer window. City's loss against PSG was unfortunate, I felt like City dominated on the pitch but PSG was able to convert their chances. City's match against Brugge is hard to predict as you said, but I'll give the edge to city in this one.

It is for these reasons that I believe this journey will be very decisive for almost all the big clubs. Many of them are under great pressure to win. Any slip can compromise the continuity of the race.

I believe it will be a very exciting journey, with these big clubs wanting to give everything to win.

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Quote from: henmark on October 18, 2021, 12:33:27 AM

Quote from: ReiMomo on October 17, 2021, 03:35:54 PM

Quote from: Mimiklinton on October 17, 2021, 04:56:32 AM

English teams are still the team to beat in this year's champions league,iven with man United inconsistencies, they can't be underrated..

Man City has won each of its nine games against Brugge. So hope Man City wins the match tom. Man CIty and Club Brugge have a equal score in Group A. Man City has really played well in their last game on 16th October against Burnley and they seem to be stronger enough to fight Brugge seeing last matches they played with each other. However Brugge has not even lost a match in this league. So, there are chances, they perform well tom. Kevin and Bernardo from Man City are really stronger to defend and score goals. So , lets wait and watch

Statics are well favoring Manchester City, but currently we have some serious difficulties in predicting any result because low rank clubs are performing very good, and we have shocking results as well as Brugge vs PSG was draw and Leipzig vs Brugge won by away team is good performance of this team and recently Manchester City lost against PSG.
Currently, this is very important match for Manchester City if they want to stay in hunt for next round because lost or draw can give them some big problem for future matches as PSG is also hosting Leipzig which is easy win for them, and they will stay at top, so it's not easy for Manchester City, but they have to win.

^ It's true In the CL or actually in European football in general, comparatively smaller teams are playing very well this season. We have already seen Sheriff upset Real Madrid and Bayern lose to Frankfurt and so on. But overall, EPL teams look quite solid in the Champions League as the mighty Real Madrid and Barcelona have kind of lost their track after the last transfer window. City's loss against PSG was unfortunate, I felt like City dominated on the pitch but PSG was able to convert their chances. City's match against Brugge is hard to predict as you said, but I'll give the edge to city in this one.

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Quote from: ReiMomo on October 17, 2021, 03:35:54 PM

Quote from: Mimiklinton on October 17, 2021, 04:56:32 AM

English teams are still the team to beat in this year's champions league,iven with man United inconsistencies, they can't be underrated..

Man City has won each of its nine games against Brugge. So hope Man City wins the match tom. Man CIty and Club Brugge have a equal score in Group A. Man City has really played well in their last game on 16th October against Burnley and they seem to be stronger enough to fight Brugge seeing last matches they played with each other. However Brugge has not even lost a match in this league. So, there are chances, they perform well tom. Kevin and Bernardo from Man City are really stronger to defend and score goals. So , lets wait and watch

Statics are well favoring Manchester City, but currently we have some serious difficulties in predicting any result because low rank clubs are performing very good, and we have shocking results as well as Brugge vs PSG was draw and Leipzig vs Brugge won by away team is good performance of this team and recently Manchester City lost against PSG.

Currently, this is very important match for Manchester City if they want to stay in hunt for next round because lost or draw can give them some big problem for future matches as PSG is also hosting Leipzig which is easy win for them, and they will stay at top, so it's not easy for Manchester City, but they have to win.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on October 17, 2021, 07:39:22 AM

Once upon a time, when there was much less money available in football, the differences between clubs were much smaller, and many more clubs had the opportunity to win some European club trophy.
At the time, even clubs like Steaua or Crvena Zvezda could become European football champions.
Now is a completely different time, and football clubs that can't adapt to new market conditions will fail and will no longer be competitive in European competitions.
It’s like the story of Nokia mobile phones, which used to be the strongest in the market, but then made some wrong strategic decisions and disappeared from the market.
Barcelona is now at a crossroads, so either the club will now recover and reach the top of European football again, or it will collapse completely financially and become a football irrelevant club.
The football market is very cruel and whoever doesn't adapt quickly enough falls into oblivion. Because of the many sincere football fans, I hope this doesn’t happen to Barcelona.
I think Zidane is tired of club football and now wants to lead the French national team.
I think we will see a few more cases like Newcastle now in the next few years and the football map of Europe will change a lot soon.

Football has turned into a business for a long time and every year it is only growing and it is even more difficult for clubs like Steaua and Crvena Zvezda to appear, including because of the rules of financial fair play, which in this case work in favor of clubs from richer championships and simply will not allow a team from not the wealthiest championship to spend as much as a team from a rich championship can spend. Therefore, the rules of financial fair play, which seem to contribute to leveling the level of clubs, actually only further strengthen the difference, turning the hypothetical victory of clubs from Eastern Europe in the Champions League in general into an area of unscientific fiction.

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Quote from: kassex on October 16, 2021, 02:13:03 PM

What happened in Madrid is unlikely to happen again. Inter will be as concentrated as possible in this match.

Many people believe Inter will take full points against Sheriff because it will be a crucial match. Take 3 points will make a chance to be qualified, while losing points to lead them to be not qualified to the next stage. I can understand if Inter Milan will fight all out in the upcoming match. I don't deny that the chance for Inter to win should be higher, but it is not impossible to see the next surprise made by Sheriff.

Quote from: kassex on October 16, 2021, 02:13:03 PM

Real Madrid underestimated the opponent, Inter will not make this mistake.

I don't think so. They released the best players to play against Sheriff in that match.
You must check the stats on the match, Real Madrid players actually performed quite well. But they were unlucky to win.

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Quote from: Mimiklinton on October 17, 2021, 04:56:32 AM

English teams are still the team to beat in this year's champions league,iven with man United inconsistencies, they can't be underrated..

Man City has won each of its nine games against Brugge. So hope Man City wins the match tom. Man CIty and Club Brugge have a equal score in Group A. Man City has really played well in their last game on 16th October against Burnley and they seem to be stronger enough to fight Brugge seeing last matches they played with each other. However Brugge has not even lost a match in this league. So, there are chances, they perform well tom. Kevin and Bernardo from Man City are really stronger to defend and score goals. So , lets wait and watch

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Quote from: blue Snow on October 17, 2021, 04:38:27 AM

Quote from: kassex on October 16, 2021, 02:13:03 PM

What happened in Madrid is unlikely to happen again. Inter will be as concentrated as possible in this match. I think Inter will take 6 points in the next two matches against the Sheriff.Real Madrid underestimated the opponent, Inter will not make this mistake. Moreover, failure in the matches against the Sheriff will put an end to the team's prospects in the Champions League.

D group is a very interesting match, Sheriff makes them be an unexpected club, in the beginning, all eye both to Madrid and Inter Milan, all bet to both be as the top stand, but in the middle way all changed, sheriff as an underdog make a big surprised be superior, they defeated Madrid and Shakhtar and we'll see in the next game, Will they defeat Inter also?. This should be an alert for Inter.

Think back to last season. Real Madrid lost two matches to Shakhtar and then took first place in the group. Inter finished last season. I think this year they made work on the mistakes and this will not happen again. Of course, it's great when teams like the Sheriff make a splash. Such teams make the Champions League spectacular and interesting.

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^ That is true @Daniel91. In recent times, Barcelona might be the club suffering the most in this case. But I'm also happy that football is no longer a sport of 3 or 4 clubs like it was before. Maybe even 5 years back, it was all about Real Madrid and Barcelona. But now, even in the premier league, teams like Utd are also suffering and we have also seen the Italian league to be a one-horse show - Juventus. But look at the table this season. Every team in the top 4 or 5 are contenders of the league title. So it can be said that football is changing and teams are now more dependent on a "team-oriented play" rather than only some star players carrying the team.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on October 16, 2021, 06:50:54 PM

Quote from: Daniel91 on October 16, 2021, 10:09:00 AM

I think that very big changes are starting to happen at the top of European football, and that the football map of Europe will change a lot.
In short, some former football greats like Barcelona, Liverpool, Arsenal, Inter, Milan ... could disappear and some new football greats like Newcastle and Leipzig could appear.
Barcelona is in a very difficult situation and has to sell off the best footballers in order to survive at all.
It could easily happen that they end up as former football greats like HSV, Torino, Nottingham Forest etc.
I think that's why they wanted the Super League so desperately in Barcelona, it was their last chance to save the club.
Today, football history means almost nothing, it all comes down to money and power, and currently Arab investors have money in abundance and where they invest money, new football greats, like PSG or Manchester City, are born.

I agree with your position on how you see the current situation of football, the one that surprises me the most is Barcelona, which is a team that despite all the bad things, due to the many crisis that it has had in my case, I never had in my life. left Messi, in fact he would have preferred to play with all the substitutes formed from the quarry than to leave Messi, and less in the way he came out. Now, now those who dominate are those who continue to have good acquisition of money, such as PSG, Real Madrid even if it is in crisis, I think they never show it, because they always aim at the most expensive players they have, for me it is a team that takes many risks at an economic level, and with respect to Newcastle it is seen that they want the best, unfortunately Zinedine Zidane cannot be their coach, because they looked for him and he wants to coach the French team, it is understandable, but it shows that many teams that were not so popular before can shine at any time.

Once upon a time, when there was much less money available in football, the differences between clubs were much smaller, and many more clubs had the opportunity to win some European club trophy.
At the time, even clubs like Steaua or Crvena Zvezda could become European football champions.
Now is a completely different time, and football clubs that can't adapt to new market conditions will fail and will no longer be competitive in European competitions.
It’s like the story of Nokia mobile phones, which used to be the strongest in the market, but then made some wrong strategic decisions and disappeared from the market.
Barcelona is now at a crossroads, so either the club will now recover and reach the top of European football again, or it will collapse completely financially and become a football irrelevant club.
The football market is very cruel and whoever doesn't adapt quickly enough falls into oblivion. Because of the many sincere football fans, I hope this doesn’t happen to Barcelona.
I think Zidane is tired of club football and now wants to lead the French national team.
I think we will see a few more cases like Newcastle now in the next few years and the football map of Europe will change a lot soon.

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Quote from: alpamar99 on October 16, 2021, 02:56:46 PM

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You write complete nonsense. In the upcoming match, if I remember correctly, Inter is the undisputed favorite with odds of 1.19. The odds of the Sheriff not reaching the next stage of the competition are estimated by the bookmakers as 1.35. And by the way, I think this is easy money, since it is very naive to seriously think that the Sheriff will be able to jump over its head in the decisive matches. Group stage matches are not so important because there is at least some distance here and you can always correct a mistake, so sometimes the top clubs relax and such intermediate results take place.

In the Real Madrid match against the Sheriff, it was very clear that Real Madrid was superior.
but again what determines the outcome is the game that lasts for 90 minutes not from odds and bets.
Technically, Inter is very superior when you look at the squad and the strength of Inter, which incidentally is a subscription to UCL and a giant club in Serie A, but this will not guarantee that they will become winners when their game is bad on the field and underestimates the opponent.
I think you remember the previous madrid and sheriff games don't you.
This should be a lesson for Inter Milan not to make the same mistakes as Real Madrid did because they are superior in every way and of course in betting they are underdogs but because they underestimate their opponents they are blunders with the mistakes they made.

There is a place for randomness in football. But the higher the distance, the less the influence of chance. In one match, the Sheriff can beat Real (especially if it is not a very important match), in two matches it is extremely unlikely, and it is even less likely to beat Real in a round-robin tournament of 6 matches (by the way, this is a rather small number of matches). Do you understand how small the Sheriff's chances are in comparison with Real Madrid and Inter that even with 3 and 5 points of handicap at such a short distance the bookmakers give 1.35 odds that the Sheriff will not qualify for the next round?

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Quote from: kassex on October 16, 2021, 02:13:03 PM

What happened in Madrid is unlikely to happen again. Inter will be as concentrated as possible in this match. I think Inter will take 6 points in the next two matches against the Sheriff.Real Madrid underestimated the opponent, Inter will not make this mistake. Moreover, failure in the matches against the Sheriff will put an end to the team's prospects in the Champions League.

D group is a very interesting match, Sheriff makes them be an unexpected club, in the beginning, all eye both to Madrid and Inter Milan, all bet to both be as the top stand, but in the middle way all changed, sheriff as an underdog make a big surprised be superior, they defeated Madrid and Shakhtar and we'll see in the next game, Will they defeat Inter also?. This should be an alert for Inter.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on October 16, 2021, 06:50:54 PM

Quote from: Daniel91 on October 16, 2021, 10:09:00 AM

I think that very big changes are starting to happen at the top of European football, and that the football map of Europe will change a lot.
In short, some former football greats like Barcelona, Liverpool, Arsenal, Inter, Milan ... could disappear and some new football greats like Newcastle and Leipzig could appear.
Barcelona is in a very difficult situation and has to sell off the best footballers in order to survive at all.
It could easily happen that they end up as former football greats like HSV, Torino, Nottingham Forest etc.
I think that's why they wanted the Super League so desperately in Barcelona, it was their last chance to save the club.
Today, football history means almost nothing, it all comes down to money and power, and currently Arab investors have money in abundance and where they invest money, new football greats, like PSG or Manchester City, are born.

I agree with your position on how you see the current situation of football, the one that surprises me the most is Barcelona, which is a team that despite all the bad things, due to the many crisis that it has had in my case, I never had in my life. left Messi, in fact he would have preferred to play with all the substitutes formed from the quarry than to leave Messi, and less in the way he came out. Now, now those who dominate are those who continue to have good acquisition of money, such as PSG, Real Madrid even if it is in crisis, I think they never show it, because they always aim at the most expensive players they have, for me it is a team that takes many risks at an economic level, and with respect to Newcastle it is seen that they want the best, unfortunately Zinedine Zidane cannot be their coach, because they looked for him and he wants to coach the French team, it is understandable, but it shows that many teams that were not so popular before can shine at any time.

I don't think Zidane would be the most optimal option for Newcastle in the current state of things, I think that leading the national team is a much more suitable option for Zidane and much more in line with his style of team management. By the way, the names of too many famous coaches can be mentioned in connection with Newcastle and in most cases this may have nothing to do with reality, for example, Brendan Rodgers has already had to officially disown such rumors. From the latest rumors, the mention of Jose Mourinho in the context of considering his candidacy for the post is indicative, but there is no certainty that the "Special One" himself is aware of this Wink

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