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Quote from: Furious 7 on October 14, 2021, 01:36:11 PM

Sheriff is indeed in the first standings in group D but I believe if Real Madrid and Inter Milan will qualify for the next phase, indeed Sheriff is currently showing his best performance against Real Madrid even this is a big achievement, but I will see in the second leg Can the sheriff survive by accumulating points? And this week against Inter will certainly be very tough while Inter need points to secure their position, now with this famous club they can anticipate from now on that the opportunity is running low, meaning victory must happen for Inter Milan with the Sheriff.

This is massive question mark on them can they survive in second phase of this Champions League because they already have some biggest upset of this but now Inter and Real Madrid need some wins, and they will give their best for this otherwise they have to be out of this season which can't afford by these big giants.

In next few days we have inter with both matches at home and away if they are able to have few from these matches then surely they will be in next round otherwise they have to move in Europa League for their end of this historical season and came back again next season with some better quality and luck.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on October 14, 2021, 12:25:21 PM

Before the start of the Champions League I thought Group D was a simple group. It is easy to assume that Real Madrid and Inter Milan will advance to the next round from this group. Because they are big clubs and renowned clubs. But my guess proved wrong Sheriff Traspol is now at the top of the points table after winning 2 matches. Most importantly, they beat Real Madrid at Madrid's home ground. Sheriff's next match is against Inter Milan. If Sharif somehow manages to draw this match, the competition in this group will be tougher.

Sheriff is indeed in the first standings in group D but I believe if Real Madrid and Inter Milan will qualify for the next phase, indeed Sheriff is currently showing his best performance against Real Madrid even this is a big achievement, but I will see in the second leg Can the sheriff survive by accumulating points? And this week against Inter will certainly be very tough while Inter need points to secure their position, now with this famous club they can anticipate from now on that the opportunity is running low, meaning victory must happen for Inter Milan with the Sheriff.

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The Sheriff is an extraordinary team. All the players on the team are very hardworking. And through hard work they are now a team strong enough. I don't think they will win against Inter Milan. Because Inter Milan is an experienced team and at the same time they are very strong. Since Sheriff is in a good position on the points table. So they will want to draw this match and maintain their top spot in the points table

It is very possible for the Sheriff to target a draw because playing at the opponent's home and facing with a strong enough team is not easy to win so a draw is already a good thing for them, but it is not impossible that they will continue the winning trend and get full points, even though Inter are strong team but in UCL they haven't shown good results, only being able to get 1 point from 2 matches. For Inter this is a chance to get 3 point.

I think of course at home you have to be able to get perfect points in order to catch up while Real Madrid vs. Shakhtar will probably be Madrid's victory if Inter Milan misses Sherrif then for me that's a bad sign that Inter will not advance to the next round then it will be a tense match as Sherrif is yet to lose for in the UCL.
Actually, if Inter Milan and Real Madrid are consistent then the chances of other opponents are quite low, but sometimes they don't always perform well in the UCL. And the prestigious competition will all strive to win.

Sheriff is on the middle of the wind at this time because they only need to play safely so as not to get the defeat of at least the series will be very profitable for them because they are currently in a favorable position.
but of course Inter and Madrid will not stay silent considering these two clubs have always been a subscription to qualify for

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Before the start of the Champions League I thought Group D was a simple group. It is easy to assume that Real Madrid and Inter Milan will advance to the next round from this group. Because they are big clubs and renowned clubs. But my guess proved wrong Sheriff Traspol is now at the top of the points table after winning 2 matches. Most importantly, they beat Real Madrid at Madrid's home ground. Sheriff's next match is against Inter Milan. If Sharif somehow manages to draw this match, the competition in this group will be tougher.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on October 14, 2021, 05:28:50 AM

I do agree with all that’s been written here, but someone needs to answer how did Barcelona recruit so many player’s and how did Real Madrid bid so high for Mbappé?. Lastly don’t you’ll think that these big European clubs are lying about their funds, or have some way to spend more despite claiming they have no funds to spend?.

Firstly, as I understand it, no one spoke about the lack of funds. Debt and no funds are completely different things. In the 20-21 season, Barcelona's budget was one billion euros, and as I understand by that time they had already accumulated a huge debt (which is now 1.2 billion euros or a little more). But as you know, the presence of debt does not mean that you have to pay it off in full immediately tomorrow - there is a schedule of payments on debt obligations and I think that for Barcelona, as a super-reliable borrower, the interest on the loan is low. If we assume that this is 5% per annum, then Barcelona spends only 60 million euros on servicing its debt. Even taking into account the fact that it reduced its budget due to the pandemic, this is less than 10% of the club's total budget.

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Quote from: AndySt on October 13, 2021, 06:34:52 PM

By the way, if the pandemic story has hit the leading European leagues very hard financially, then in England it has manifested itself much less, which allows the English clubs to take an even better approach to strengthening their squads.

European clubs were more economically affected, because of the pandemic, because in recent years they have been buying players at extra high prices, for normal standards and profitability. The English clubs, on the other hand, were much more consistent and did not enter into this shopping madness. They may have made one or two purchases with extremely high values, but most of them didn't.
Now because of the pandemic, and the financial fairplay, as well as new tax rules in several European countries, many of the clubs that used to spend money can't do it.

I do agree with all that’s been written here, but someone needs to answer how did Barcelona recruit so many player’s and how did Real Madrid bid so high for Mbappé?. Lastly don’t you’ll think that these big European clubs are lying about their funds, or have some way to spend more despite claiming they have no funds to spend?.

Not sure, if the clubs are lying about their funds or not but it is true that Spanish teams were highly affected because of the pandemic. Laporta said that Barcelona has a debt of about $1-billion which is an insanely huge amount. And we know that Real Madrid and Barca tend to buy a start player every other transfer window with a huge transfer fee so it was inevitable that they will face the debt and the effect of the pandemic. On the other hand, English clubs maintain their budget well enough compared to them and they don't seem to have been effected that much as the Spanish clubs.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on October 13, 2021, 12:15:11 AM

The Sheriff is an extraordinary team. All the players on the team are very hardworking. And through hard work they are now a team strong enough.
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It is very possible for the Sheriff to target a draw because playing at the opponent's home and facing with a strong enough team is not easy to win so a draw is already a good thing for them, but it is not impossible that they will continue the winning trend and get full points, even though Inter are strong team but in UCL they haven't shown good results, only being able to get 1 point from 2 matches. For Inter this is a chance to get 3 point.

What we used to think is the underdog of this group showed an exceptional performance and made surprises twice. I am not sure whether Sheriff will be able to win vs Inter but Inter doesn't seem to be convincing so far in CL. Ironically if Sheriff managed to win then lucky winners will multiply their money x14

The sheriff currently leads the standings with 6 points while intermilan only has 1 point, in the champions league inter milan have not been able to show their best performance as happened in the league, but I personally believe that inter milan will rise against the sheriff later on, let alone they will play at home and of course that will motivate the intermilan squad to get full points so that their potential to qualify for the next round is still wide open.

Yes they won against shakhtar and real madrid but they did not show a dominance in either game they only shot 3 on target against real madrid and scored two goals they were lucky but it will be different against inter they need the points and there is a difference in strength between them.

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Quote from: snipie on October 13, 2021, 10:40:48 AM

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on October 13, 2021, 12:15:11 AM

The Sheriff is an extraordinary team. All the players on the team are very hardworking. And through hard work they are now a team strong enough.
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It is very possible for the Sheriff to target a draw because playing at the opponent's home and facing with a strong enough team is not easy to win so a draw is already a good thing for them, but it is not impossible that they will continue the winning trend and get full points, even though Inter are strong team but in UCL they haven't shown good results, only being able to get 1 point from 2 matches. For Inter this is a chance to get 3 point.

What we used to think is the underdog of this group showed an exceptional performance and made surprises twice. I am not sure whether Sheriff will be able to win vs Inter but Inter doesn't seem to be convincing so far in CL. Ironically if Sheriff managed to win then lucky winners will multiply their money x14

The sheriff currently leads the standings with 6 points while intermilan only has 1 point, in the champions league inter milan have not been able to show their best performance as happened in the league, but I personally believe that inter milan will rise against the sheriff later on, let alone they will play at home and of course that will motivate the intermilan squad to get full points so that their potential to qualify for the next round is still wide open.

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Quote from: AndySt on October 13, 2021, 06:34:52 PM

By the way, if the pandemic story has hit the leading European leagues very hard financially, then in England it has manifested itself much less, which allows the English clubs to take an even better approach to strengthening their squads.

European clubs were more economically affected, because of the pandemic, because in recent years they have been buying players at extra high prices, for normal standards and profitability. The English clubs, on the other hand, were much more consistent and did not enter into this shopping madness. They may have made one or two purchases with extremely high values, but most of them didn't.

Now because of the pandemic, and the financial fairplay, as well as new tax rules in several European countries, many of the clubs that used to spend money can't do it.

I do agree with all that’s been written here, but someone needs to answer how did Barcelona recruit so many player’s and how did Real Madrid bid so high for Mbappé?. Lastly don’t you’ll think that these big European clubs are lying about their funds, or have some way to spend more despite claiming they have no funds to spend?.

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Quote from: AndySt on October 13, 2021, 06:34:52 PM

By the way, if the pandemic story has hit the leading European leagues very hard financially, then in England it has manifested itself much less, which allows the English clubs to take an even better approach to strengthening their squads.

European clubs were more economically affected, because of the pandemic, because in recent years they have been buying players at extra high prices, for normal standards and profitability. The English clubs, on the other hand, were much more consistent and did not enter into this shopping madness. They may have made one or two purchases with extremely high values, but most of them didn't.

Now because of the pandemic, and the financial fairplay, as well as new tax rules in several European countries, many of the clubs that used to spend money can't do it.

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Currently, English Premier League is world's most soccer league and just because of this they have good income from media right and after this there are some good investors now involved in which are putting Billions of USD for their own sack just because of this they have some good income, but one thing is sure Europe's top 5 leagues have not big difference because I was checking few statics it is showing England, Italy, Germany.

Premier League is shilled as the best league in the world, is it true? I don't know. It can be the league with biggest income from television right. Clubs there use income from television rights and from rich owners like Chelsea with Abramovich to buy best players in the world. However, they can not dominate Champions League so you can not conclude that Premier League is the best league.

Before now, Premier league has dominated the champions league. Do not forget when the 4 finalists used to be English teams. How about last season's champions league the two England teams were finalists.

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Spain and France are currently top ranked, but England is going with good advantage mostly just because of English way but Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munch are also not bad at all they have some good income as well.

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You are misunderstand between national leagues and national teams. Premier League attract best players but players of England don't have good positions in clubs. International players take most of important and key positions in big clubs and they are barriers for growth of young England players.

Spain or Germany are stronger than England, in national teams because they use the frame with players from Real Madrid or Barcelona (Spain) or from Bayern Munich (Germany). Their national teams don't have to spend too much time to build up good tactic to play together. England team have players from different clubs and they have troubles to combine in a national team.

The England troubles we always see are coaching related. In the end we still see England put up a nice game. Even if no team feeds England national team as Barca, Madrid, Bayern does to thier nations. You will agree with me that almost all the England team players plays in EPL. The ideology is therefore preserved, as England club games is just similar.

This season that Barcelona and Madrid are not doing really well, I'll wait to see the effects on Spanish national team.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on October 13, 2021, 06:30:45 PM

Quote from: hahay on October 12, 2021, 08:45:36 PM

I'm just curious what the final standings of this group will be

I expect that Sheriffs will be qualified for the next stage as the winner of Group D. While the second team to qualify is Real Madrid. Wink

I hope Madrid also. but, the games still have enough chance to Inter going to the next round. Edin Dzeko is still on fire, he created 6 goals from 7 matches in Serie A same as Ronaldo Luiz did. it's just that Dzeko hasn't shown it in the champions league yet, maybe versus Sherif next, Dzeko create a goal and make the winning for Inter and makes the sheriff going to first time lost.

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Premier league has a great success because they are viewed in a lot more nations, and they get a lot more money involved as well. I do not know where all this billions of dollars come from aside from selling your club to some rich person, but they do have a lot of money. When you have a lot of money that means your income is good and when your income is good then you can pay for high salaries and when you can pay for high salaries then you can get any player you want.
Look at United, they had zero interest on Ronaldo when the season started because they believed he wasn't available, he would be in Juventus but the moment he got available they just paid whatever and then gave him whatever salary and moved on, they had literally extra money aside to make that move, 99.99% of the teams on the world wouldn't even have been able to do that financially let alone convince Ronaldo to come.

Currently, English Premier League is world's most soccer league and just because of this they have good income from media right and after this there are some good investors now involved in which are putting Billions of USD for their own sack just because of this they have some good income, but one thing is sure Europe's top 5 leagues have not big difference because I was checking few statics it is showing England, Italy, Germany.
Spain and France are currently top ranked, but England is going with good advantage mostly just because of English way but Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munch are also not bad at all they have some good income as well.

As they say, money attracts money. Thanks to several vain club owners who do not spare money for the object of their vanity, some of the money and attention of advertisers falls to other clubs Wink

And the case of Newcastle shows that it also attracts the attention of new super-rich people who want to compete in this championship. And if in other championships there are such super clubs for one or a maximum of two for the entire league, then the English Premier League is a completely different matter. By the way, if the pandemic story has hit the leading European leagues very hard financially, then in England it has manifested itself much less, which allows the English clubs to take an even better approach to strengthening their squads.

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Quote from: hahay on October 12, 2021, 08:45:36 PM

But if the Sheriffs can still win against Inter, then maybe I'd say it's a miracle created by their own hard work.

Let's see if Sheriffs can continue their surprise in UCL this season. I expect that Sheriffs can get 3 points or 1 point in the match against Inter Milan. Although it won't be easy for Sheriffs because they will play away, in Inter Milan home. Well, seems like the result will be a draw, but no one knows what really will happen.

Quote from: hahay on October 12, 2021, 08:45:36 PM

I'm just curious what the final standings of this group will be

I expect that Sheriffs will be qualified for the next stage as the winner of Group D. While the second team to qualify is Real Madrid. Wink

Quote from: DU18 on October 13, 2021, 08:30:51 AM

especially since Madrid are clearly very weak in their defense this season

You can assume Real Madrid defense is weak, but surely not very weak. Sheriffs won't win against Real Madrid if they just rely on luck. Whatever your perception, I believe they won it because they did hard work.

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Quote from: snipie on October 13, 2021, 10:40:48 AM

What we used to think is the underdog of this group showed an exceptional performance and made surprises twice. I am not sure whether Sheriff will be able to win vs Inter but Inter doesn't seem to be convincing so far in CL. Ironically if Sheriff managed to win then lucky winners will multiply their money x14

Unfortunately, the Sheriff's successes practically did not affect his perception by the bookmakers - they give the following odds for the match with Inter:
1,19 - 7,80 - 14,00
I think this odds for Inter's win are too low to bet, in my opinion 1.35 odds would look more reasonable. Maybe a bet on a draw looks interesting here, or even a bet on the fact that Sheriff will not lose (odds 4.9).

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They become angels of death. They managed to kill Madrid and Shaktar. I don't think it's luck, but thanks to hard work. But it could also be because Madrid and Shaktar underestimate him too much.

I don't think Real Madrid and Shakhtar got loses because they underestimate Sheriff. Sheriff won because they played well and be confident without any pressure. Sometimes, once you play nothing to lose, you can optimize the chance to win. While those teams that play with too high expectation, can be defeated since losing focus and control during the match. That's probably happening to Real Madrid and Shakhtar.

Correct, it is completely different to play with the expectation that you will win than to play with no expectations put in you, on the first scenario you have an obligation to win and even if you do some fans may see it with bad eyes if you do not dominate your opponent, and if you happen to lose then it does not matter what happened this is viewed as a failure, however those that are playing with a nothing to lose mentality can play to their best of their abilities since there is no pressure on them, and while it is a small advantage sometimes this is just enough to produce results that otherwise are impossible to explain.

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Quote from: Strongkored on October 13, 2021, 01:19:00 AM

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The Sheriff is an extraordinary team. All the players on the team are very hardworking. And through hard work they are now a team strong enough. I don't think they will win against Inter Milan. Because Inter Milan is an experienced team and at the same time they are very strong. Since Sheriff is in a good position on the points table. So they will want to draw this match and maintain their top spot in the points table

It is very possible for the Sheriff to target a draw because playing at the opponent's home and facing with a strong enough team is not easy to win so a draw is already a good thing for them, but it is not impossible that they will continue the winning trend and get full points, even though Inter are strong team but in UCL they haven't shown good results, only being able to get 1 point from 2 matches. For Inter this is a chance to get 3 point.

If it was some other smaller team I would say it would be near impossible for them to do anything, but Sherrif has proved that they are not a regular small team and they are built differently. I believe after this season not only they will be able to earn so much from champions league to cover all the costs of the club, but they will sell some of their players to bigger clubs, potentially somewhere in the big 5 leagues, and make probably 3 years worth of cost covered instantly, and build a team accordingly as well.

This is why I believe we are talking about a team that is fighting for changing their whole future and not just for this season, they may get a draw or even a win and I would not be shocked at this point.

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Quote from: Strongkored on October 13, 2021, 01:19:00 AM

Quote from: laurenB7742 on October 13, 2021, 12:15:11 AM

The Sheriff is an extraordinary team. All the players on the team are very hardworking. And through hard work they are now a team strong enough. I don't think they will win against Inter Milan. Because Inter Milan is an experienced team and at the same time they are very strong. Since Sheriff is in a good position on the points table. So they will want to draw this match and maintain their top spot in the points table

It is very possible for the Sheriff to target a draw because playing at the opponent's home and facing with a strong enough team is not easy to win so a draw is already a good thing for them, but it is not impossible that they will continue the winning trend and get full points, even though Inter are strong team but in UCL they haven't shown good results, only being able to get 1 point from 2 matches. For Inter this is a chance to get 3 point.

I think of course at home you have to be able to get perfect points in order to catch up while Real Madrid vs. Shakhtar will probably be Madrid's victory if Inter Milan misses Sherrif then for me that's a bad sign that Inter will not advance to the next round then it will be a tense match as Sherrif is yet to lose for in the UCL.
Actually, if Inter Milan and Real Madrid are consistent then the chances of other opponents are quite low, but sometimes they don't always perform well in the UCL. And the prestigious competition will all strive to win.

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Quote from: Strongkored on October 13, 2021, 01:19:00 AM

Quote from: laurenB7742 on October 13, 2021, 12:15:11 AM

The Sheriff is an extraordinary team. All the players on the team are very hardworking. And through hard work they are now a team strong enough.
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It is very possible for the Sheriff to target a draw because playing at the opponent's home and facing with a strong enough team is not easy to win so a draw is already a good thing for them, but it is not impossible that they will continue the winning trend and get full points, even though Inter are strong team but in UCL they haven't shown good results, only being able to get 1 point from 2 matches. For Inter this is a chance to get 3 point.

What we used to think is the underdog of this group showed an exceptional performance and made surprises twice. I am not sure whether Sheriff will be able to win vs Inter but Inter doesn't seem to be convincing so far in CL. Ironically if Sheriff managed to win then lucky winners will multiply their money x14

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Quote from: perfect999 on October 13, 2021, 09:29:27 AM

Currently, English Premier League is world's most soccer league and just because of this they have good income from media right and after this there are some good investors now involved in which are putting Billions of USD for their own sack just because of this they have some good income, but one thing is sure Europe's top 5 leagues have not big difference because I was checking few statics it is showing England, Italy, Germany.

Premier League is shilled as the best league in the world, is it true? I don't know. It can be the league with biggest income from television right. Clubs there use income from television rights and from rich owners like Chelsea with Abramovich to buy best players in the world. However, they can not dominate Champions League so you can not conclude that Premier League is the best league.

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Spain and France are currently top ranked, but England is going with good advantage mostly just because of English way but Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munch are also not bad at all they have some good income as well.

You are misunderstand between national leagues and national teams. Premier League attract best players but players of England don't have good positions in clubs. International players take most of important and key positions in big clubs and they are barriers for growth of young England players.

Spain or Germany are stronger than England, in national teams because they use the frame with players from Real Madrid or Barcelona (Spain) or from Bayern Munich (Germany). Their national teams don't have to spend too much time to build up good tactic to play together. England team have players from different clubs and they have troubles to combine in a national team.

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