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Quote from: joker_josue on October 15, 2021, 12:35:24 PM

Quote from: tyz on October 15, 2021, 07:56:27 AM

I would still expect both Real Madrid and Inter Milan to advance in the group. Of course, Sheriff surprised me, too. But they've also had a lot of luck in both games so far, which shouldn't last. Besides, the other teams are now prepared for what awaits them, because I think that especially Real had massively underestimated Sheriff. That won't happen again in the second leg. I think Sheriff will only be third in the group and comes to the Euro League where they could then in any case still provide for some furore.

That's true, but let's not forget that the Sheriff just needs to draw every game to get second in the group. This is because they have 6 points, Real Madrid have 3, and the other clubs only have 1. Of course it is still difficult, but they are very well placed to move forward in the competition.

the unseeded now is inter because when they want to move on to the next round, at least they have to make a win in at least 2 of the 2nd leg matches if indeed the sheriff team loses or madrid loses.
I think now the sheriff just needs to play it safe and not get too carried away with the euphoria because this is what makes the team complacent.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on October 15, 2021, 01:30:52 PM

Quote from: rahmad2nd on October 15, 2021, 12:05:50 AM

Don't ever underestimate the Sheriff from the two matches that have been played they managed to win even in the second match defeating Real Madrid with a score of 1-2 at the Bernabeu

You are right. Never underestimate Sheriff, they have shown to Real Madrid fans that they can take 3 points on Real Madrid home. They can do the same way to Inter Milan fans. Sheriff is unpredictable this season, they can make more surprises in another match. Although we know that Inter Milan has everything to beat Sheriff but it is only in theory. In reality, Sheriff can defeat any team with solid playing.

Even so but I believe Inter Milan can have him above the Sheriff in the next match, but unexpected expectations will definitely occur considering the Sheriff has won twice in the group phase I just want to know how far the sheriff's ability against Inter Milan even though they have been able to win at the bernabeu.

Efforts to win will definitely be carried out by Inter Milan with 70% I believe Inter can win if the result is a draw then a big threat for Inter because they are not able to collect points properly, even draw and losing is a nightmare for him.

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Quote from: joker_josue on October 15, 2021, 12:35:24 PM

Quote from: tyz on October 15, 2021, 07:56:27 AM

I would still expect both Real Madrid and Inter Milan to advance in the group. Of course, Sheriff surprised me, too. But they've also had a lot of luck in both games so far, which shouldn't last. Besides, the other teams are now prepared for what awaits them, because I think that especially Real had massively underestimated Sheriff. That won't happen again in the second leg. I think Sheriff will only be third in the group and comes to the Euro League where they could then in any case still provide for some furore.

That's true, but let's not forget that the Sheriff just needs to draw every game to get second in the group. This is because they have 6 points, Real Madrid have 3, and the other clubs only have 1. Of course it is still difficult, but they are very well placed to move forward in the competition.

they will definitely look for safety when they want to advance to the next round but the draw against real madrid and iter milan is not an easy thing especially after they made a breakthrough in the first leg I think these two big teams will put their full strength and not look easy anymore because when madrid against the sheriff it was clear that they looked down on a team below their level and they lost with their arrogance.

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Quote from: tyz on October 15, 2021, 07:56:27 AM

Quote from: CryptoBuds on October 14, 2021, 01:25:21 PM

Before the start of the Champions League I thought Group D was a simple group. It is easy to assume that Real Madrid and Inter Milan will advance to the next round from this group. Because they are big clubs and renowned clubs. But my guess proved wrong Sheriff Traspol is now at the top of the points table after winning 2 matches. Most importantly, they beat Real Madrid at Madrid's home ground. Sheriff's next match is against Inter Milan. If Sharif somehow manages to draw this match, the competition in this group will be tougher.

I would still expect both Real Madrid and Inter Milan to advance in the group. Of course, Sheriff surprised me, too. But they've also had a lot of luck in both games so far, which shouldn't last. Besides, the other teams are now prepared for what awaits them, because I think that especially Real had massively underestimated Sheriff. That won't happen again in the second leg. I think Sheriff will only be third in the group and comes to the Euro League where they could then in any case still provide for some furore.

this is probably speculation from most people because even though the sheriff can survive this far but I think the 2nd leg will be a little different.
and actually when looking at the current standings the sheriff should just play it safe so that there is no defeat for his team can benefit them at least they still have a chance to advance to the next round.
but inter and madrid I don't think they will be complacent now. and with this maybe especially for real madrid I hope they don't underestimate and it's as if everything

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I wonder what will happen in the game between the Turkish team Besiktas and Sporting. Both of these teams got similar results in their first games but Sporting conceded more goals. Maybe both of them are in a poor condition but I saw that Besiktas' performance against their opponents was more promising than Sporting's. And this game is going to be played in Istanbul too. Besiktas have had some important players missing. If they bounce back, then they will have a big chance to win against Sporting in this game.

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Quote from: joker_josue on October 15, 2021, 12:35:24 PM

Quote from: tyz on October 15, 2021, 07:56:27 AM

I would still expect both Real Madrid and Inter Milan to advance in the group. Of course, Sheriff surprised me, too. But they've also had a lot of luck in both games so far, which shouldn't last. Besides, the other teams are now prepared for what awaits them, because I think that especially Real had massively underestimated Sheriff. That won't happen again in the second leg. I think Sheriff will only be third in the group and comes to the Euro League where they could then in any case still provide for some furore.

That's true, but let's not forget that the Sheriff just needs to draw every game to get second in the group. This is because they have 6 points, Real Madrid have 3, and the other clubs only have 1. Of course it is still difficult, but they are very well placed to move forward in the competition.

Which is practically not impossible provided they don't allow the ball to come into the18 yard box which could easily draw fouls and could lead to free penalties! And knowing that Sheriff isn't much of a strong team if they have calculated their chances of survival this could be their best choice on the table! Could this also me Real Madrid has a possibility of missing out?

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on October 15, 2021, 12:05:50 AM

Don't ever underestimate the Sheriff from the two matches that have been played they managed to win even in the second match defeating Real Madrid with a score of 1-2 at the Bernabeu

You are right. Never underestimate Sheriff, they have shown to Real Madrid fans that they can take 3 points on Real Madrid home. They can do the same way to Inter Milan fans. Sheriff is unpredictable this season, they can make more surprises in another match. Although we know that Inter Milan has everything to beat Sheriff but it is only in theory. In reality, Sheriff can defeat any team with solid playing.

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Quote from: tyz on October 15, 2021, 07:56:27 AM

I would still expect both Real Madrid and Inter Milan to advance in the group. Of course, Sheriff surprised me, too. But they've also had a lot of luck in both games so far, which shouldn't last. Besides, the other teams are now prepared for what awaits them, because I think that especially Real had massively underestimated Sheriff. That won't happen again in the second leg. I think Sheriff will only be third in the group and comes to the Euro League where they could then in any case still provide for some furore.

That's true, but let's not forget that the Sheriff just needs to draw every game to get second in the group. This is because they have 6 points, Real Madrid have 3, and the other clubs only have 1. Of course it is still difficult, but they are very well placed to move forward in the competition.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on October 14, 2021, 01:25:21 PM

Before the start of the Champions League I thought Group D was a simple group. It is easy to assume that Real Madrid and Inter Milan will advance to the next round from this group. Because they are big clubs and renowned clubs. But my guess proved wrong Sheriff Traspol is now at the top of the points table after winning 2 matches. Most importantly, they beat Real Madrid at Madrid's home ground. Sheriff's next match is against Inter Milan. If Sharif somehow manages to draw this match, the competition in this group will be tougher.

I would still expect both Real Madrid and Inter Milan to advance in the group. Of course, Sheriff surprised me, too. But they've also had a lot of luck in both games so far, which shouldn't last. Besides, the other teams are now prepared for what awaits them, because I think that especially Real had massively underestimated Sheriff. That won't happen again in the second leg. I think Sheriff will only be third in the group and comes to the Euro League where they could then in any case still provide for some furore.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on October 14, 2021, 01:25:21 PM

Before the start of the Champions League I thought Group D was a simple group. It is easy to assume that Real Madrid and Inter Milan will advance to the next round from this group. Because they are big clubs and renowned clubs. But my guess proved wrong Sheriff Traspol is now at the top of the points table after winning 2 matches. Most importantly, they beat Real Madrid at Madrid's home ground. Sheriff's next match is against Inter Milan. If Sharif somehow manages to draw this match, the competition in this group will be tougher.

It is too early to judge any prospects after 2 matches, even if we are talking about groups that are more even in terms of the distribution of forces between the clubs. At the moment, both Real and Inter are favorites to advance to the next round of the tournament. Bets on the fact that the Sheriff does not qualify come with a 1.35 odds - this means that it is a clear underdog, even despite its temporary leadership.

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Quote from: hahay on October 15, 2021, 04:34:56 AM

Quote from: babo on October 15, 2021, 03:57:18 AM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on October 15, 2021, 02:55:11 AM

Quote from: BALIK on October 14, 2021, 09:24:04 AM

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This is very true, although Real Madrid is one of the most solvent teams and under which it has very little crisis, now the case of Barcelona is something worse, since before the pandemic they had talked about their crisis, and this already They had made it known to Messi for his annual payment, however the team continued but there came a time that he could not take it anymore, I do not know if this may have been the cause of selling Messi to PSG, however the way he left Barcelona was not the right one, and even if it was in crisis I would never have left Messi, now I think the crisis is much worse and they are running out of fans, without sales and losing.

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As far as I know Messi himself is basically willing to stay in Barcelona with a reduced salary just like his other teammates, but because Barcelona still can't afford to pay a dependent or something else it makes Messi have to be willing to leave Barcelona. I think the case is similar to what happened to Griezmann, so Barcelona chose to loan him to Atletico. Therefore, I personally always accept the chaos that hit Barcelona and do not blame him with his performance so far. With the Pandemic gradually improving, then I think these big teams will recover slowly and I realize, this year is a recovery year that makes some big teams may not be as good as before.

@LUCKMCFLY, No, it's not like Barca left Messi intentionally. The thing is that Messi's contract had ended and when he wanted to renew his contract, then Barca realized that they cannot afford Messi without violating the rules of the league. I would say that Barca should have been more calculative about this as Messi is the backbone of Barca but it is what it is. Maybe if the pandemic didn't happen, Messi could have stayed at Barcelona.

@hahay, That is true. I don't know the regulations fully, but as far as I know, if a player wants to renew his contract, the club cannot reduce the wage by more than 50% and that is where the caveat was. Barca couldn't even renew Messi without even lowering the wage to 50% - that's how much trouble Barcelona was in. But I'm glad that the pandemic is recovering, people are recovering, we are seeing full crowds in the stadiums and the clubs will eventually recover from this.

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Quote from: hahay on October 15, 2021, 04:34:56 AM

As far as I know Messi himself is basically willing to stay in Barcelona with a reduced salary just like his other teammates, but because Barcelona still can't afford to pay a dependent or something else it makes Messi have to be willing to leave Barcelona. I think the case is similar to what happened to Griezmann, so Barcelona chose to loan him to Atletico. Therefore, I personally always accept the chaos that hit Barcelona and do not blame him with his performance so far. With the Pandemic gradually improving, then I think these big teams will recover slowly and I realize, this year is a recovery year that makes some big teams may not be as good as before.

unfortunately football has not always been well (economically) the pandemic was a big blow to their balance sheet
I understand very well, but the teams don't understand that we need to change
no more stellar engagements
you have to go back to engagements from human people, special .. but human

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Quote from: babo on October 15, 2021, 03:57:18 AM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on October 15, 2021, 02:55:11 AM

Quote from: BALIK on October 14, 2021, 09:24:04 AM

Not sure, if the clubs are lying about their funds or not but it is true that Spanish teams were highly affected because of the pandemic. Laporta said that Barcelona has a debt of about $1-billion which is an insanely huge amount. And we know that Real Madrid and Barca tend to buy a start player every other transfer window with a huge transfer fee so it was inevitable that they will face the debt and the effect of the pandemic. On the other hand, English clubs maintain their budget well enough compared to them and they don't seem to have been effected that much as the Spanish clubs.

This is very true, although Real Madrid is one of the most solvent teams and under which it has very little crisis, now the case of Barcelona is something worse, since before the pandemic they had talked about their crisis, and this already They had made it known to Messi for his annual payment, however the team continued but there came a time that he could not take it anymore, I do not know if this may have been the cause of selling Messi to PSG, however the way he left Barcelona was not the right one, and even if it was in crisis I would never have left Messi, now I think the crisis is much worse and they are running out of fans, without sales and losing.

all football is in crisis, maybe we don't realize it but that's the way it is
the percentage of young people who watch football is negligible
the percentage of good matches is always lower

Teams think about profit rather than the fun of the fans, excessive defense and stances are bad for football, football is beautiful because goals and game actions
i see esports too, and a percentage of beautiful game is high compared to football

As far as I know Messi himself is basically willing to stay in Barcelona with a reduced salary just like his other teammates, but because Barcelona still can't afford to pay a dependent or something else it makes Messi have to be willing to leave Barcelona. I think the case is similar to what happened to Griezmann, so Barcelona chose to loan him to Atletico. Therefore, I personally always accept the chaos that hit Barcelona and do not blame him with his performance so far. With the Pandemic gradually improving, then I think these big teams will recover slowly and I realize, this year is a recovery year that makes some big teams may not be as good as before.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on October 14, 2021, 02:36:11 PM

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Before the start of the Champions League I thought Group D was a simple group. It is easy to assume that Real Madrid and Inter Milan will advance to the next round from this group. Because they are big clubs and renowned clubs. But my guess proved wrong Sheriff Traspol is now at the top of the points table after winning 2 matches. Most importantly, they beat Real Madrid at Madrid's home ground. Sheriff's next match is against Inter Milan. If Sharif somehow manages to draw this match, the competition in this group will be tougher.

Sheriff is indeed in the first standings in group D but I believe if Real Madrid and Inter Milan will qualify for the next phase, indeed Sheriff is currently showing his best performance against Real Madrid even this is a big achievement, but I will see in the second leg Can the sheriff survive by accumulating points? And this week against Inter will certainly be very tough while Inter need points to secure their position, now with this famous club they can anticipate from now on that the opportunity is running low, meaning victory must happen for Inter Milan with the Sheriff.

If Sheriff could survive against Inter Milan today and draw the match. Then they will play the second leg matches only for the purpose of drawing. And looking at The Sheriff's performance, it seemed like they could draw if they only got on the field for the purpose of draw the match. They have abilities. They are not a renowned team but a good enough team. Their future will depend on the next match against Inter Milan.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on October 15, 2021, 02:55:11 AM

Quote from: BALIK on October 14, 2021, 09:24:04 AM

Not sure, if the clubs are lying about their funds or not but it is true that Spanish teams were highly affected because of the pandemic. Laporta said that Barcelona has a debt of about $1-billion which is an insanely huge amount. And we know that Real Madrid and Barca tend to buy a start player every other transfer window with a huge transfer fee so it was inevitable that they will face the debt and the effect of the pandemic. On the other hand, English clubs maintain their budget well enough compared to them and they don't seem to have been effected that much as the Spanish clubs.

This is very true, although Real Madrid is one of the most solvent teams and under which it has very little crisis, now the case of Barcelona is something worse, since before the pandemic they had talked about their crisis, and this already They had made it known to Messi for his annual payment, however the team continued but there came a time that he could not take it anymore, I do not know if this may have been the cause of selling Messi to PSG, however the way he left Barcelona was not the right one, and even if it was in crisis I would never have left Messi, now I think the crisis is much worse and they are running out of fans, without sales and losing.

all football is in crisis, maybe we don't realize it but that's the way it is
the percentage of young people who watch football is negligible
the percentage of good matches is always lower

Teams think about profit rather than the fun of the fans, excessive defense and stances are bad for football, football is beautiful because goals and game actions
i see esports too, and a percentage of beautiful game is high compared to football

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Quote from: BALIK on October 14, 2021, 09:24:04 AM

Not sure, if the clubs are lying about their funds or not but it is true that Spanish teams were highly affected because of the pandemic. Laporta said that Barcelona has a debt of about $1-billion which is an insanely huge amount. And we know that Real Madrid and Barca tend to buy a start player every other transfer window with a huge transfer fee so it was inevitable that they will face the debt and the effect of the pandemic. On the other hand, English clubs maintain their budget well enough compared to them and they don't seem to have been effected that much as the Spanish clubs.

This is very true, although Real Madrid is one of the most solvent teams and under which it has very little crisis, now the case of Barcelona is something worse, since before the pandemic they had talked about their crisis, and this already They had made it known to Messi for his annual payment, however the team continued but there came a time that he could not take it anymore, I do not know if this may have been the cause of selling Messi to PSG, however the way he left Barcelona was not the right one, and even if it was in crisis I would never have left Messi, now I think the crisis is much worse and they are running out of fans, without sales and losing.

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Quote from: AndySt on October 14, 2021, 07:59:06 PM

Quote from: kawetsriyanto on October 14, 2021, 07:21:11 PM

Quote from: blue Snow on October 14, 2021, 03:09:33 AM

~maybe versus Sherif next, Dzeko create a goal and make the winning for Inter and makes the sheriff going to first time lost.

This prediction is very possible to happen, especially Inter will play at their home. They won't let Sheriff get any point from that match, Inter must target to get 3 points this time. With the atmosphere of its own stadium, the chance for Inter Milan to win is higher. Moreover, as you said that Dzeko showed good performance lately. However, we don't underestimate Sheriff, they can surprise us again. Who knows if they can make Inter attackers be difficult to create chances to score. The match can end with a draw if no goal, Sheriff can play very defensively.

Of course, it would be interesting enough for a tournament intrigue if the Sheriff could take the scalp from Inter's head as well Grin

But I'm afraid that at least in the next match, which will be held in Milan, Inter is unlikely to allow itself to lose points and try to win the match. The worst thing for the Sheriff is that the effect of surprise and underestimation by rivals has almost come to naught and rivals with a different attitude will go to the match of the club from Tiraspol. Another question is that anything can happen in football, but I tend to think that this "anything" can happen more likely in the second leg Wink

Still, do not forget that Inter will need to try to take maximum points in this confrontation by performing active actions and therefore the Sheriff may try to take advantage of this and try to catch on counterattacks.

Don't ever underestimate the Sheriff from the two matches that have been played they managed to win even in the second match defeating Real Madrid with a score of 1-2 at the Bernabeu, I think Inter Milan will also feel the same way as Real Madrid and this match is very fierce, Inter Milan has only managed to get one point from a draw and lost to Real Madrid in the first match, they must win three points if they want to keep their chances of qualifying from the group phase.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on October 14, 2021, 07:21:11 PM

Quote from: blue Snow on October 14, 2021, 03:09:33 AM

~maybe versus Sherif next, Dzeko create a goal and make the winning for Inter and makes the sheriff going to first time lost.

This prediction is very possible to happen, especially Inter will play at their home. They won't let Sheriff get any point from that match, Inter must target to get 3 points this time. With the atmosphere of its own stadium, the chance for Inter Milan to win is higher. Moreover, as you said that Dzeko showed good performance lately. However, we don't underestimate Sheriff, they can surprise us again. Who knows if they can make Inter attackers be difficult to create chances to score. The match can end with a draw if no goal, Sheriff can play very defensively.

Of course, it would be interesting enough for a tournament intrigue if the Sheriff could take the scalp from Inter's head as well Grin

But I'm afraid that at least in the next match, which will be held in Milan, Inter is unlikely to allow itself to lose points and try to win the match. The worst thing for the Sheriff is that the effect of surprise and underestimation by rivals has almost come to naught and rivals with a different attitude will go to the match of the club from Tiraspol. Another question is that anything can happen in football, but I tend to think that this "anything" can happen more likely in the second leg Wink

Still, do not forget that Inter will need to try to take maximum points in this confrontation by performing active actions and therefore the Sheriff may try to take advantage of this and try to catch on counterattacks.

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Quote from: blue Snow on October 14, 2021, 03:09:33 AM

~maybe versus Sherif next, Dzeko create a goal and make the winning for Inter and makes the sheriff going to first time lost.

This prediction is very possible to happen, especially Inter will play at their home. They won't let Sheriff get any point from that match, Inter must target to get 3 points this time. With the atmosphere of its own stadium, the chance for Inter Milan to win is higher. Moreover, as you said that Dzeko showed good performance lately. However, we don't underestimate Sheriff, they can surprise us again. Who knows if they can make Inter attackers be difficult to create chances to score. The match can end with a draw if no goal, Sheriff can play very defensively.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on October 14, 2021, 01:25:21 PM

Before the start of the Champions League I thought Group D was a simple group. It is easy to assume that Real Madrid and Inter Milan will advance to the next round from this group. Because they are big clubs and renowned clubs. But my guess proved wrong Sheriff Traspol is now at the top of the points table after winning 2 matches. Most importantly, they beat Real Madrid at Madrid's home ground. Sheriff's next match is against Inter Milan. If Sharif somehow manages to draw this match, the competition in this group will be tougher.

We were all wrong together. I already predicted Madrid 9 points and Maybe inter 7 points. For Sheriff to win thier first two matches with Real Madrid inclusive, there is already problem enough whether or not they win their match with inter Milan. Those guys moral are very high now, and they will not easily give up.
While we are busy blaming Madrid defence for thier woes, Sheriff is busy strengthening their attack.
Sheriff actually makes me remember Monaco of Mbape.
So, whatever things that happen in that group, Sheriff must qualify.

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