UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread - page 89.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on May 19, 2022, 11:18:13 AM

^ I agree that the Liverpool defense is going to be on their toes to defend Benzema but we must not forget that Real doesn't have a good defensive setup. L

They don't need one if Courtois turns up with his best pair of gloves and the Real Madrid forward just continue scoring like they have always done. Alkeast Chelsea, Manchester City and PSG can attest to that.

Benzema does not need to be good the whole 90 minutes. In fact, most people are focusing on Benzema, but the Major threat is Rodygo.

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^ I agree that the Liverpool defense is going to be on their toes to defend Benzema but we must not forget that Real doesn't have a good defensive setup.

It seems this season is reserved for Benzema. He is no longer young but it is the best season in his career. It will be a perfect season for him if he can score goals in Champions League final and bring Real Madrid to the trophy.

^ Benzema is in the form of his life and even though he was not at his best against Manchester City, I think it will be really foolish for anyone to doubt him.
I think he's going to have a big effect in the final of the Champions League if Real Madrid wins.

Agree with what you said. even in this case I still see him playing well against City.
how he makes himself a pass because he is aware that there are some tight guards for him and gives space to Vini and Roodrygo to be creative up front.
I think it's really too naive to still doubt benzema for now because this would be a fatal mistake

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All odds is in favor of Liverpool for the finals as at this moment a lot of analysis have been put out, with the aim to convince use of Liverpool possible winning. Despite the fact that Liverpool have better squad than Real Madrid we shouldn't put much trust on the club to be able to win the championship finals just like that, real Madrid will give Liverpool a though time and 9f care is.not take the match could end with a draw before penalty shoot out will determine the winner.

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^ I agree that the Liverpool defense is going to be on their toes to defend Benzema but we must not forget that Real doesn't have a good defensive setup.

It seems this season is reserved for Benzema. He is no longer young but it is the best season in his career. It will be a perfect season for him if he can score goals in Champions League final and bring Real Madrid to the trophy.

^ Benzema is in the form of his life and even though he was not at his best against Manchester City, I think it will be really foolish for anyone to doubt him.
I think he's going to have a big effect in the final of the Champions League if Real Madrid wins.

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Liverpool also has Salah, Mane to cause terror in the hearts of Real's defense.
I believe as a squad Liverpool has the advantage.
But, if we think about the situation, the Real Madrid squad also has the advantage, because they are getting proper rest. And Benzema is on fire. It is a hard choice to make but I believe Real Madrid should win the Champions League final.

I don't think Liverpool is stronger than Manchester City. They likely have better tradition and more experience in Champions League than Mancheser City. But about quality, they are at same quality so if Real Madrid can score goals and beat Manchester City, they will be able to beat Liverpool.

Mane and Salah can score goals but Real Madrid in this season, does not have issue with conceded goals. They can score more goals and break mentality of opponents to get final win.

^ I say Liverpool has a better squad only because Liverpool has a better defense compared to Real Madrid. and in the other aspects of the squad, I think both teams are absolutely the same.
But of course, we have Benzema in the Real Madrid squad who is on fire.
And we have seen Real Madrid score in the last few minutes of the match. I wonder if that is going to work against a team like Liverpool.

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I don't think Liverpool is stronger than Manchester City. They likely have better tradition and more experience in Champions League than Mancheser City. But about quality, they are at same quality so if Real Madrid can score goals and beat Manchester City, they will be able to beat Liverpool.

Mane and Salah can score goals but Real Madrid in this season, does not have issue with conceded goals. They can score more goals and break mentality of opponents to get final win.

It might be true that Liverpool is not stronger than Machester, but I think we will see a very different game in the final compared to the Machester vs Madrid semi-finals.
Odds for winning the trophy are Liverpool 1.55 & Madrid 2.35, which is quite balanced considering earlier odds of the semi-finals when everybody thought it will be an easy task for ManCity.

Utlimatively I think Liverpool will win this game, but it won't be an easy task and might go to extra time.

Yes, Liverpool are not stronger than Manchester City but they have a strong mentality and history in European competition as compared to City. Manchester City have been able to get the best hands money can buy so that they got some level of success in recent years, yet they still lack mentality and that's what money cannot really buy for a team. It takes time to buid. I think Real Madrid has an edge over Liverpool but I know they won't have it like they did with Manchester City.

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Quote from: S A KHAIR on May 19, 2022, 09:54:47 AM

To be honest, I think it is foolish to put our hope in just one team for 100% because this is the Champions League final.
Liverpool has a really good squad but they don't have the rest that Real Madrid players are going to get.

On the other hand, the defense of Real Madrid is also not very good. This is a hard choice to make but I am going to say that Liverpool is the favorite in this match. But if this goes overtime, I will say Real Madrid has a better chance of winning.

The trouble is that everyone agrees it should be LFC that wins the final game, they are definitely the better team there is no doubt about that. However, when we are talking about something that involves Real Madrid nobody really understands the logic that clearly.

I mean think about it this way, they were expected to lose against multiple teams so far, hell when they lost to Sheriff this year everyone said that they were gone and became a terrible team. But when you look at the current situation then you start to realize that it's not going to be easy for Liverpool because Real looked like the worse team for so long that they may end up doing something better against LFC too.

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Not a few people will think Liverpool spent the remaining stamina in the remaining time to the Champions League final. It is not expected that Liverpool's performance will decline and fatigue. On the other hand, Madrid is getting more and more optimal every day. Liverpool's journey will be quite heavy at the end of this season.

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Quote from: coco23 on May 19, 2022, 11:30:21 AM

It might be true that Liverpool is not stronger than Machester, but I think we will see a very different game in the final compared to the Machester vs Madrid semi-finals.
Odds for winning the trophy are Liverpool 1.55 & Madrid 2.35, which is quite balanced considering earlier odds of the semi-finals when everybody thought it will be an easy task for ManCity.

Utlimatively I think Liverpool will win this game, but it won't be an easy task and might go to extra time.

Agree that Real Madrid managed to defeat City with the help of a lot of luck and the referee in extra time. Luck in sports is very important, and luck is very often on the side of the strong and persistent. But I think that Liverpool are stronger and they should win in regular time, so as not to bring the game to penalty shootouts. Why tempt fate, although in matches with Chelsea, Liverpool showed, that they can shot penalties very well.

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Quote from: Zilon on May 19, 2022, 10:26:19 AM

If it comes to experience i will say Madrid is more experienced than Liverpool but using this as a criteria to predict who wins the CL finals might not be 100% accurate. Both teams share equal possibilities irrespective of what bookmakers make of their own predictions. For me the safest prediction i will make is Both teams to score but as for picking a winner i think Madrid stands a better chance based on their years of experience how no of trophies won compared to Liverpool

I know that Real Madrid have a very good chance in the final to win their 14th title of the season. Of course there are things to pay attention to, especially as Liverpool have performed very well this season in the Premier League, EFL Cup and FA Cup. They managed to win 2 titles so far and still have a chance to improve to 3 or 4 if they win the Premier League and Champions League.

My hope is that Real Madrid can win the final against Liverpool, but something is still possible because Liverpool seem to have a way of beating Real Madrid mainly because of the doubtful defence.

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Quote from: hd49728 on May 19, 2022, 11:24:45 AM

I don't think Liverpool is stronger than Manchester City. They likely have better tradition and more experience in Champions League than Mancheser City. But about quality, they are at same quality so if Real Madrid can score goals and beat Manchester City, they will be able to beat Liverpool.

Mane and Salah can score goals but Real Madrid in this season, does not have issue with conceded goals. They can score more goals and break mentality of opponents to get final win.

It might be true that Liverpool is not stronger than Machester, but I think we will see a very different game in the final compared to the Machester vs Madrid semi-finals.
Odds for winning the trophy are Liverpool 1.55 & Madrid 2.35, which is quite balanced considering earlier odds of the semi-finals when everybody thought it will be an easy task for ManCity.

Utlimatively I think Liverpool will win this game, but it won't be an easy task and might go to extra time.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on May 19, 2022, 11:18:13 AM

^ I agree that the Liverpool defense is going to be on their toes to defend Benzema but we must not forget that Real doesn't have a good defensive setup.

It seems this season is reserved for Benzema. He is no longer young but it is the best season in his career. It will be a perfect season for him if he can score goals in Champions League final and bring Real Madrid to the trophy.

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Liverpool also has Salah, Mane to cause terror in the hearts of Real's defense.

I believe as a squad Liverpool has the advantage.
But, if we think about the situation, the Real Madrid squad also has the advantage, because they are getting proper rest. And Benzema is on fire. It is a hard choice to make but I believe Real Madrid should win the Champions League final.

I don't think Liverpool is stronger than Manchester City. They likely have better tradition and more experience in Champions League than Mancheser City. But about quality, they are at same quality so if Real Madrid can score goals and beat Manchester City, they will be able to beat Liverpool.

Mane and Salah can score goals but Real Madrid in this season, does not have issue with conceded goals. They can score more goals and break mentality of opponents to get final win.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on May 19, 2022, 06:48:12 AM

If Real Madrid is able to beat the 3 strong teams you have mentioned, Real Madrid should be able to beat Liverpool too. Besides Real Madrid having
a very strong mentality, Real Madrid also has Karim Benzema who is on fire this season. Karim Benzema will be a threat to the Liverpool defence,
so Klopp did have to give instructions to one of the Liverpool defenders to be able to follow Benzema wherever he moves. Because strikers like
Benzema don't need many chances to score goals.

I like you prefer Real Madrid to be the winner of the Champions League trophy, Real Madrid's performance this season has been absolutely incredible.
Real Madrid managed to win the La Liga trophy before the end of the season, because they have a point acquisition that is quite far from Barcelona
who is in 2nd position. While Real Madrid's performance in the Champions League was shocking, I didn't even expect them to reach the final.
I think the confidence of Real Madrid players is very high, especially since Real Madrid has an extraordinary history in the Champions League competition.
Therefore, I am quite optimistic that Real Madrid will be able to beat Liverpool in the Champions League final.

^ I agree that the Liverpool defense is going to be on their toes to defend Benzema but we must not forget that Real doesn't have a good defensive setup. Liverpool also has Salah, Mane to cause terror in the hearts of Real's defense.

I believe as a squad Liverpool has the advantage.
But, if we think about the situation, the Real Madrid squad also has the advantage, because they are getting proper rest. And Benzema is on fire. It is a hard choice to make but I believe Real Madrid should win the Champions League final.

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Quote from: reagansimms on May 19, 2022, 10:19:27 AM

Unfortunately the final match only lasted one game, there was no chance for Real Madrid to make a comeback like they did with Manchester City and PSG.
One more thing, the final was not played at the Bernabeu, this season Real Madrid is very difficult to beat at the Bernabeu, but not when they play at the opponent's house. Liverpool will try to be a team that can lift the UCL trophy this season, Klopp will install a formation that can kill attacks from Real Madrid players.

Indeed this season madrid is famous for its extraordinary comeback in the second leg, but I don't think that makes madrid to be underestimated, what you say is true, if madrid seems to get extra strength when playing at the bernabeu but in my opinion in this case madrid and liverpool are not different at all because indeed they play in a neutral place, as far as I know uefa will certainly allocate the same number of tickets to the fans of both teams so in this case both teams have the same number of supporters, Although both teams will play the match at the venue which is neutral and in my opinion it will not reduce the tension that occurs in the final later.

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Quote from: junmisakiro on May 18, 2022, 11:24:53 AM

these two are key players for Liverpool, but news from Liverpool's medical team says even M.Salah and Van Dijk will certainly recover before the final and they are ready to play.
I hope these two teams will be able to field all their main players so that the match will be more interesting, this is the final for both teams who have played very well this season, it is difficult to predict who will be the champion, both teams still have the same chance.

Like it or not, that's the risk Klopp will take. Wants a really competitive match with all of his greatest players in the Finals later. Real Madrid is ready with all the anticipation, while Liverpool still needs to work hard in the Premier League.

The good news is that M.Salah is not seriously injured. So I hope those who will play against the Wolves must remain careful because this will be a vulnerable point for Liverpool to decide which player to play.

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Real Madrid played PSG, Chelsea and Manchester City to the finals I think Liverpool won't have survived if they had faced those teams.
Irrespective of the age and experience of the Madrid team, I think the club itself being a big club has a role in playing how formidable the team have been. Liverpool team is quite younger, majority of them have been playing together for a while too. The difference between them and Real Madrid will be strong character and mentality.

That's right, Real Madrid have beaten strong teams to be in the final, PSG, Chelsea and also Man City. in terms of quality maybe Real Madrid lost to them it was evident in the game in possession but the mentality of Real Madrid was able to make them turn things around, therefore I think Real Madrid deserve to be champions of the UCL this season, after what they went through. it's very worth it.

The winning mentality is the only reason Real Madrid was able to advance to the final, when viewed from the quality side of the team, Manchester City and PSG are superior to Real Madrid. The consistency of the player's appearance is also an added value for Real Madrid, they are able to make comebacks in important matches. Previously Liverpool and Real Madrid had met in the same final, at that time Real Madrid won the trophy. Liverpool had another chance to avenge their defeat at that time, but Real Madrid would not be easy to beat.

And I would say it's not always a winning mentality to always win and be champions again, and considering Real Madrid can get rid of Manchester City and PSG in the second leg and Real Madrid lose in the first leg.
and I mean in the final there is only one game that I think there is a possibility Liverpool will win this season, unless there is a second game maybe Real Madrid will be champions because they can turn things around in the second game like against Manchester City and PSG, and I want Liverpool to win UCL this season.

If it comes to experience i will say Madrid is more experienced than Liverpool but using this as a criteria to predict who wins the CL finals might not be 100% accurate. Both teams share equal possibilities irrespective of what bookmakers make of their own predictions. For me the safest prediction i will make is Both teams to score but as for picking a winner i think Madrid stands a better chance based on their years of experience how no of trophies won compared to Liverpool

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The winning mentality is the only reason Real Madrid was able to advance to the final, when viewed from the quality side of the team, Manchester City and PSG are superior to Real Madrid. The consistency of the player's appearance is also an added value for Real Madrid, they are able to make comebacks in important matches. Previously Liverpool and Real Madrid had met in the same final, at that time Real Madrid won the trophy. Liverpool had another chance to avenge their defeat at that time, but Real Madrid would not be easy to beat.

And I would say it's not always a winning mentality to always win and be champions again, and considering Real Madrid can get rid of Manchester City and PSG in the second leg and Real Madrid lose in the first leg.
and I mean in the final there is only one game that I think there is a possibility Liverpool will win this season, unless there is a second game maybe Real Madrid will be champions because they can turn things around in the second game like against Manchester City and PSG, and I want Liverpool to win UCL this season.

Unfortunately the final match only lasted one game, there was no chance for Real Madrid to make a comeback like they did with Manchester City and PSG.
One more thing, the final was not played at the Bernabeu, this season Real Madrid is very difficult to beat at the Bernabeu, but not when they play at the opponent's house. Liverpool will try to be a team that can lift the UCL trophy this season, Klopp will install a formation that can kill attacks from Real Madrid players.

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Real Madrid played PSG, Chelsea and Manchester City to the finals I think Liverpool won't have survived if they had faced those teams.
Irrespective of the age and experience of the Madrid team, I think the club itself being a big club has a role in playing how formidable the team have been. Liverpool team is quite younger, majority of them have been playing together for a while too. The difference between them and Real Madrid will be strong character and mentality.

That's right, Real Madrid have beaten strong teams to be in the final, PSG, Chelsea and also Man City. in terms of quality maybe Real Madrid lost to them it was evident in the game in possession but the mentality of Real Madrid was able to make them turn things around, therefore I think Real Madrid deserve to be champions of the UCL this season, after what they went through. it's very worth it.

The winning mentality is the only reason Real Madrid was able to advance to the final, when viewed from the quality side of the team, Manchester City and PSG are superior to Real Madrid. The consistency of the player's appearance is also an added value for Real Madrid, they are able to make comebacks in important matches. Previously Liverpool and Real Madrid had met in the same final, at that time Real Madrid won the trophy. Liverpool had another chance to avenge their defeat at that time, but Real Madrid would not be easy to beat.

And I would say it's not always a winning mentality to always win and be champions again, and considering Real Madrid can get rid of Manchester City and PSG in the second leg and Real Madrid lose in the first leg.
and I mean in the final there is only one game that I think there is a possibility Liverpool will win this season, unless there is a second game maybe Real Madrid will be champions because they can turn things around in the second game like against Manchester City and PSG, and I want Liverpool to win UCL this season.

Already at this stage of the tournament, anything could happen, there is no second leg but the last one, Real Madrid always in their games tends to fall behind or maybe lose the first game and win the second leg, here they have to go for everything, Liverpool is clear, both teams want to make history, it is known that Real Madrid has a lot of experience in the UCL finals and they have a lot of history, this somehow gives the players confidence and makes them have security , Liverpool is hungry and thirsty for victory, this can also be the necessary incentive to win, so in a possible bet, being my personal experience, I would go for Real Madrid.

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Real Madrid played PSG, Chelsea and Manchester City to the finals I think Liverpool won't have survived if they had faced those teams.
Irrespective of the age and experience of the Madrid team, I think the club itself being a big club has a role in playing how formidable the team have been. Liverpool team is quite younger, majority of them have been playing together for a while too. The difference between them and Real Madrid will be strong character and mentality.

That's right, Real Madrid have beaten strong teams to be in the final, PSG, Chelsea and also Man City. in terms of quality maybe Real Madrid lost to them it was evident in the game in possession but the mentality of Real Madrid was able to make them turn things around, therefore I think Real Madrid deserve to be champions of the UCL this season, after what they went through. it's very worth it.

The winning mentality is the only reason Real Madrid was able to advance to the final, when viewed from the quality side of the team, Manchester City and PSG are superior to Real Madrid. The consistency of the player's appearance is also an added value for Real Madrid, they are able to make comebacks in important matches. Previously Liverpool and Real Madrid had met in the same final, at that time Real Madrid won the trophy. Liverpool had another chance to avenge their defeat at that time, but Real Madrid would not be easy to beat.

And I would say it's not always a winning mentality to always win and be champions again, and considering Real Madrid can get rid of Manchester City and PSG in the second leg and Real Madrid lose in the first leg.
and I mean in the final there is only one game that I think there is a possibility Liverpool will win this season, unless there is a second game maybe Real Madrid will be champions because they can turn things around in the second game like against Manchester City and PSG, and I want Liverpool to win UCL this season.

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Insufficient analysis! That is not enough to make Liverpool win the Champions League, the two best teams in the final stage are sometimes difficult to predict, sometimes it's a matter of luck because if we want to compare what Real Madrid has done this season, I think anyone here will agree that they are the one that will take the cup home. They are the one leading Laliga Spain and Liverpool is just in second place while Manchester city is in the first spot. It is even possible that Liverpool that you're rooting for may mistakenly get a red card in the first minute of the game leaving them with no choice but to play under high pressure. Cheesy

Lol, you realize analysis is not enough, but you say Real Madrid will take home the trophy. Also, you can compare the intensity and how competitive they are in their respective leagues, even though Real Madrid are winners of the La Liga title this season but the competition is not as heavy as the Premier League. You can judge, Liverpool, which so far this season has won the Carabao Cup, FA Cup and still has a chance to win the Premier League and Champions League titles. It was a great achievement for Liverpool this season, so that the Champions League final match is not certain to be won by Real Madrid because statistically for this season Liverpool are the best team.

To be honest, I think it is foolish to put our hope in just one team for 100% because this is the Champions League final.
Liverpool has a really good squad but they don't have the rest that Real Madrid players are going to get.

On the other hand, the defense of Real Madrid is also not very good. This is a hard choice to make but I am going to say that Liverpool is the favorite in this match. But if this goes overtime, I will say Real Madrid has a better chance of winning.

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Seeing Real Madrid's journey is what makes me inclined to see that Real Madrid will do the same in this final. Yes, it's true, maybe in terms of ball possession Real Madrid could lose to Liverpool later, but if it's for effectiveness I think Real Madrid will be able to be superior to Liverpool. Moreover we know that Real Madrid have a fast attack and the fast attack they play is effective.

Looking both team journey to final stage Real Madrid as favorite team to get trophy this time depending from 16 round until semifinal all top team defeated, from PSG, Chelsea and Manchester City are best team right now and have good performance on domestic league and have chance with Manchester City as the champion of domestic league this season. No doubt with Liverpool as bigger team and success lead to final but looking on their journey just Inter Milan as top team defeated on 16 round before facing with Benfica on quarter final and eliminated Villareal on semifinal which one both team as mediocre team.

Each team has its path to get to the top. you can watch the Europa League final match Frankfurt vs Rangers. they are not favorites and reach the top game.
Liverpool and Madrid getting to the final are not easy. We can make predictions based on analysis and statistics. but on the pitch, there are always surprises for us to enjoy as football fans.

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