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November 19, 2020, 06:24:34 AM
I wonder whether Liverpool will be able to be champions 2 times in a row. There are really tough opponents. Especially Bayern Munich are playing wonderful. I hope we can see the final match to be between Bayern Munich and Liverpool. It would definitely be enjoyable to watch.

Wat? Premier League champions 2x in a row maybe, but impossible for back to back CL wins seeing as Bayern won it last year and my money is on them again. Liverpool have a lot of injuries right now.

I wonder whether Liverpool will be able to be champions 2 times in a row. There are really tough opponents. Especially Bayern Munich are playing wonderful. I hope we can see the final match to be between Bayern Munich and Liverpool. It would definitely be enjoyable to watch.

I don't think they can pull it off without Mohamed Salah, he has Covid and is quarantined in Egypt so he can't travel anywhere for matches. He'll probably be back this Thursday according to the news but Liverpool is lucky that it happened during the international break and not before critical UEFA matches.

The question will be whether Covid will affect the medium and long-term performance possibility. Since Ronaldo fell victim to Covid, he has not performed as well as before. There are many Covid patients who still complain of breathing problems and neurological problems even after months. Why should it be any different with professional players. For some professionals who were infected with Covid, it could even mean the end of their careers. In my opinion, this is given far too little attention in discussions.

You have a point, according to this August study, 55% of all recovered Covid patients have symptoms of fatigue and dizziness and it has must have hit it's fair share of professional players as normal people.

It could force a few older players into retirement and the transfer value of younger players will go down as they perform worse in future games. It's a net loss to all clubs, as clubs which don't win games much have their market value lowered.

Next question is how long these effects last, whether for a few months or several.

I wouldn't pay that much attention to these 'studies'. Fatigue is normal after things like a cold of the flu but I'm sure 'Covid fatigue' will become the new I'm too ill to work excuse so people can enjoy early retirement and a lifetime of benefits. I'm sure professional athletes being paid millions will be seldom effected  Grin. In the cases of people like Ronaldo and Salah they're asymptomatic and have only tested positive for the virus whilst having no problems or symptoms whatsoever. This will be the case for most people I think, or those tests they're giving people are issuing false positives which is what Ronaldo claimed I believe.
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November 18, 2020, 12:47:13 PM
I wonder whether Liverpool will be able to be champions 2 times in a row. There are really tough opponents. Especially Bayern Munich are playing wonderful. I hope we can see the final match to be between Bayern Munich and Liverpool. It would definitely be enjoyable to watch.

I don't think they can pull it off without Mohamed Salah, he has Covid and is quarantined in Egypt so he can't travel anywhere for matches. He'll probably be back this Thursday according to the news but Liverpool is lucky that it happened during the international break and not before critical UEFA matches.

The question will be whether Covid will affect the medium and long-term performance possibility. Since Ronaldo fell victim to Covid, he has not performed as well as before. There are many Covid patients who still complain of breathing problems and neurological problems even after months. Why should it be any different with professional players. For some professionals who were infected with Covid, it could even mean the end of their careers. In my opinion, this is given far too little attention in discussions.

You have a point, according to this August study, 55% of all recovered Covid patients have symptoms of fatigue and dizziness and it has must have hit it's fair share of professional players as normal people.

It could force a few older players into retirement and the transfer value of younger players will go down as they perform worse in future games. It's a net loss to all clubs, as clubs which don't win games much have their market value lowered.

Next question is how long these effects last, whether for a few months or several.

Exactly, of course, it could be that for professional players who are much fitter and more toned than average person, the percentage could be a little lower, but even if it were 30% it would mean that one in three infected professional players could have permanent limitations and at such high levels that would mean the end of the career. I think the true extent of Corona in professional sports will really show in the next 1-2 years.
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November 18, 2020, 10:17:56 AM
I wonder whether Liverpool will be able to be champions 2 times in a row. There are really tough opponents. Especially Bayern Munich are playing wonderful. I hope we can see the final match to be between Bayern Munich and Liverpool. It would definitely be enjoyable to watch.

It's already sure they won't win the Champions League 2 times in a row ... cause Bayern won it last season, not Liverpool  Grin

But seriously, with all the bad luck Liverpool has with their injuries this season, I don't really see them as a top-favourite for the title. Both Bayern, ManCity are in a better shape right now imho. They are not as stable defensivly as last season (or the season before) amd with VVD and Gomez they are missing their main CBs. Don't think they will make huge signings in the winter transfer window though.

I think it is too early to say that Liverpool have no chance of winning the title.
The season is very long, other clubs will also have problems with injured players and the team that is most prepared for spring will win, when the decisive matches will be played.
In my opinion, the main favorites remain Liverpool, Manchester City, Bayern, Real, Barcelona and Juve although I give a slight advantage to Bayern and Manchester City.
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November 18, 2020, 03:48:13 AM
I wonder whether Liverpool will be able to be champions 2 times in a row. There are really tough opponents. Especially Bayern Munich are playing wonderful. I hope we can see the final match to be between Bayern Munich and Liverpool. It would definitely be enjoyable to watch.

I don't think they can pull it off without Mohamed Salah, he has Covid and is quarantined in Egypt so he can't travel anywhere for matches. He'll probably be back this Thursday according to the news but Liverpool is lucky that it happened during the international break and not before critical UEFA matches.

The question will be whether Covid will affect the medium and long-term performance possibility. Since Ronaldo fell victim to Covid, he has not performed as well as before. There are many Covid patients who still complain of breathing problems and neurological problems even after months. Why should it be any different with professional players. For some professionals who were infected with Covid, it could even mean the end of their careers. In my opinion, this is given far too little attention in discussions.

You have a point, according to this August study, 55% of all recovered Covid patients have symptoms of fatigue and dizziness and it has must have hit it's fair share of professional players as normal people.

It could force a few older players into retirement and the transfer value of younger players will go down as they perform worse in future games. It's a net loss to all clubs, as clubs which don't win games much have their market value lowered.

Next question is how long these effects last, whether for a few months or several.
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November 17, 2020, 04:23:59 PM
I wonder whether Liverpool will be able to be champions 2 times in a row. There are really tough opponents. Especially Bayern Munich are playing wonderful. I hope we can see the final match to be between Bayern Munich and Liverpool. It would definitely be enjoyable to watch.

It's already sure they won't win the Champions League 2 times in a row ... cause Bayern won it last season, not Liverpool  Grin

But seriously, with all the bad luck Liverpool has with their injuries this season, I don't really see them as a top-favourite for the title. Both Bayern, ManCity are in a better shape right now imho. They are not as stable defensivly as last season (or the season before) amd with VVD and Gomez they are missing their main CBs. Don't think they will make huge signings in the winter transfer window though.
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November 17, 2020, 03:12:54 PM
I wonder whether Liverpool will be able to be champions 2 times in a row. There are really tough opponents. Especially Bayern Munich are playing wonderful. I hope we can see the final match to be between Bayern Munich and Liverpool. It would definitely be enjoyable to watch.

I don't think they can pull it off without Mohamed Salah, he has Covid and is quarantined in Egypt so he can't travel anywhere for matches. He'll probably be back this Thursday according to the news but Liverpool is lucky that it happened during the international break and not before critical UEFA matches.

The question will be whether Covid will affect the medium and long-term performance possibility. Since Ronaldo fell victim to Covid, he has not performed as well as before. There are many Covid patients who still complain of breathing problems and neurological problems even after months. Why should it be any different with professional players. For some professionals who were infected with Covid, it could even mean the end of their careers. In my opinion, this is given far too little attention in discussions.
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November 17, 2020, 12:17:20 PM
I wonder whether Liverpool will be able to be champions 2 times in a row. There are really tough opponents. Especially Bayern Munich are playing wonderful. I hope we can see the final match to be between Bayern Munich and Liverpool. It would definitely be enjoyable to watch.

I don't think they can pull it off without Mohamed Salah, he has Covid and is quarantined in Egypt so he can't travel anywhere for matches. He'll probably be back this Thursday according to the news but Liverpool is lucky that it happened during the international break and not before critical UEFA matches.
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November 17, 2020, 10:28:59 AM
I think Liverpool and Bayern are good names to go for finals this year, they are really going for that one last chance but they need to make it happen or they are going to be like today's Real Madrid next season or year after that. We are already hearing about Liverpool players wanting a bigger check, which is definitely deserved and they should get it but Liverpool can't handle paying them all at once all together huge superstar amounts, even though players deserve it, one team can't afford that many star salaries.

Bayern is also having trouble with players, boateng and alaba and some others are considered to be let go for nothing, which is shocking and I think it could be false news as well, but it looks like both teams have to deal with this year very carefully.
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November 17, 2020, 09:11:04 AM
I think that in this season we could see some new teams or underdogs in the quarter- or semifinals and maybe even in the final.
Some of the teams that usually reached this late stages of the tournament in the last years are not performing well at the moment.
Just look at Barca and Madrid, but also Liverpool, Paris and Man City.
On the other hand are we still a few months away from those stages, so a lot of things can change till then.
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November 17, 2020, 09:05:41 AM
I wonder whether Liverpool will be able to be champions 2 times in a row. There are really tough opponents. Especially Bayern Munich are playing wonderful. I hope we can see the final match to be between Bayern Munich and Liverpool. It would definitely be enjoyable to watch.
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November 17, 2020, 08:51:28 AM

Barcelona and Real Madrid are too many problems, a lot of old players, and young players have no experience yet.
Juventus relies on experience and therefore loses constantly. Now we need more physically strong players, and there are very few of them in Juventus.
Bayern and Liverpool are likely to play in the final and are more realistic candidates for the final this season.

Barcelona and Real Madrid are in post win cycle.. need to destroy and rebuild from scratch.
Juventus is a step over, they destroyed and in this moment they rebuild.
Ronaldo is only a marketing operation, CR7 is a big brand. Now with Pirlo they planning the future.

The CL is always wide open, very often teams reach the final that you wouldn’t expect. The level is so high that any single bad game in the knockout stages & a team can effectively be out. I think Bayern are favourites but tyere are probably another 7 or 8 teams who are capable of winning it.
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November 17, 2020, 07:17:00 AM

Barcelona and Real Madrid are too many problems, a lot of old players, and young players have no experience yet.
Juventus relies on experience and therefore loses constantly. Now we need more physically strong players, and there are very few of them in Juventus.
Bayern and Liverpool are likely to play in the final and are more realistic candidates for the final this season.

Barcelona and Real Madrid are in post win cycle.. need to destroy and rebuild from scratch.
Juventus is a step over, they destroyed and in this moment they rebuild.
Ronaldo is only a marketing operation, CR7 is a big brand. Now with Pirlo they planning the future.
Why destroy if you could easily introduce new and young players into the lineup? But the policy of the Barcelona leadership missed the moment and now it will be difficult to restore everything, especially in the conditions of the crisis and huge debts. Real Madrid in this situation is also from the policy of its president. Who started the construction of the stadium to please his own ambitions. His habit of changing coaches killed Real. the players needed by the team made the situation worse.
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November 17, 2020, 05:13:00 AM

Barcelona and Real Madrid are too many problems, a lot of old players, and young players have no experience yet.
Juventus relies on experience and therefore loses constantly. Now we need more physically strong players, and there are very few of them in Juventus.
Bayern and Liverpool are likely to play in the final and are more realistic candidates for the final this season.

Barcelona and Real Madrid are in post win cycle.. need to destroy and rebuild from scratch.
Juventus is a step over, they destroyed and in this moment they rebuild.
Ronaldo is only a marketing operation, CR7 is a big brand. Now with Pirlo they planning the future.
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November 16, 2020, 02:43:51 PM
I think the favorite team for winning the Champions League Cup this season are Bayern Munich. In my opinion, the only teams that can make Bayern Munich have difficulty are Liverpool and Manchester City. But I believe that Bayern will win the cup.
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November 16, 2020, 01:22:01 PM
The English teams who have competed at UCL this season are looking well, as in fact all of them are top of the standings. That way I'm sure all English teams will advance to the next round, because even though the English team not be able to maintain the standings but at least the chance to be runner-up is still possible to maintain. Experienced coaches like Pep still won't guarantee even if they have a squad of star players, look what happened to Mou because all of that has its time.
It's always been a tough job for any coach to win the Champion despite having a squad full of star player. Barcelona, ​​Real Madrid, Liverpool, Manchester City, Bayern Munich, Juventus are some of the name of the team that have been able to reach the Champion Final this season in my opinion. But everything is still uncertain because this season has too many surprises. I hope Barcelona will return to its former glory with Koeman, but I'm not sure that will happen.
The English team are still leading the standing for their respective group, looks good but we'll see how they are able to survive after reaching the last 16.

Barcelona and Real Madrid are too many problems, a lot of old players, and young players have no experience yet.
Juventus relies on experience and therefore loses constantly. Now we need more physically strong players, and there are very few of them in Juventus.
Bayern and Liverpool are likely to play in the final and are more realistic candidates for the final this season.
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November 15, 2020, 04:34:14 PM
I also think Ferran Torres is a talented defender now. He will play better in the future if given more chance. Guoardiola is a very experienced coach. He may know better which player is necessary for his team. Nevertheless, I hope Guardiola give more chance to  Ferran Torrs to express his talent.

Yeah? Would you say he's better at tackling, heading or clearing the ball from the box?
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November 15, 2020, 02:21:54 PM
But they need a little change in defense. Although I don't think their defense is too bad. If you look at their games, the opponents didn't score much against them.

They have gone though some changes in defence like Dias  Ake and changes need time to settle in. Despite that they are playing ok. Right now their attack is letting a bit down. I think Guardiola should give some more playing minutes to Torres. He is young and quite a rising player.
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November 13, 2020, 12:59:39 PM
I totally agree with you. Manchester City is a very good team, no doubt about it. But the team is unbalanced. Their midfielders and forwards are very good. I think this is one of the stable midfielder and forword lineup in the world. But they need a little change in defense. Although I don't think their defense is too bad. If you look at their games, the opponents didn't score much against them.
I am sure Pep Guardiola is able to change their attitude in his squad even in defense it can be improved maybe after the transfer season opens so that a reshuffle can occur in defense. I also want Pep to take one more attacker to be even more deadly like Chelsea who recruited Werner. So the front line will look more aggressive than the current one, but at this stage Manchester City is quite safe.
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November 13, 2020, 04:41:23 AM

I totally agree with you. Manchester City is a very good team, no doubt about it. But the team is unbalanced. Their midfielders and forwards are very good. I think this is one of the stable midfielder and forword lineup in the world. But they need a little change in defense. Although I don't think their defense is too bad. If you look at their games, the opponents didn't score much against them.

the power of manchester city... its power is to be unpredictable in my opinion

yes agree, is unbalanced team (not much) but remember
in this game you win if you score more goals --> do not avoid more

if you play defense you do two unfair things
- one in the long run you risk taking a goal
- second (most importantly) kill spectator entertainment


the best defense is offense
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November 13, 2020, 12:31:33 AM
Pep Guardiola has a good team. And there are many talented players in the squad. But they are not performing well this season. Despite having such a tough squad and experienced coaches, Man City are still unable to get back on track. The champion league is very competitive. So if Man City doesn’t get back on track very soon, they will be out of the title fight.
The quality of Manchester City players is unbalance. Their forwards, strikers and attacking midfielders are strong but their defenders (central) are weak. Their swing back defenders are better in attacking support rather than their main works defense.

Guardiola through his career has never built up a good defense system from Barca to Bayern Munich and Manchester City.
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