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Quote from: DeathAngel on November 10, 2020, 10:36:39 AM

The current odds to become champion of Europe. What do you think, who will win the trophy?

It looks like they are determining the odds from the results from the legs that have already played. That's the only reason I can find for Man City being second even though they have never won the title.

It's way too early to predict who will win the title, though Bayern and Barcelona are favorites again, I would've added Liverpool but I don't think they can make it that far without van Dijk playing.

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Quote from: DeathAngel on November 10, 2020, 10:36:39 AM

The current odds to become champion of Europe. What do you think, who will win the trophy?

I as a Madrid fan certainly don't agree with Madrid's position in 7th place in the race for the Champions League, I think this season Real Madrid is able to appear more consistent and be able to bring back the Champions League trophy, for Bayern Munich I don't think so because no club is that capable of defending a championship title other than Real Madrid. Although Bayern Munich's performances this season are still consistent, I think the myths in football are true, it is likely that Bayern Munich failed to defend the champions league title this season.

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The current odds to become champion of Europe. What do you think, who will win the trophy?

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Quote from: beerlover on November 09, 2020, 02:59:43 PM

Every single sport was affected by covid and it is not really looking good for any of them, however football was looking like it is not as affected as other ones. Look at NBA for example, they had to give a break, they had to arrange a bubble, they didn't allowed anyone in and they are planning on doing 72 game season and basically all around moved the whole season further away, things got really bad there.

In football, we got our football back during summer, ended last season, started this year like nothing happened and everything moved on. Obviously there had to be some consequences of that, and with everyone still outside and roaming around it was always risky. Hopefully every player gets better, I do not care about the results as long as we do not get any seriously ill player in any team.

every sport with contact .. football, rugby, etc..
some sport (golf, tennis, .. ) dont have contact with you adversary Cheesy

the problem isnt in sport (professional or not) but in people .. if dont follow the SIMPLE anti-covid rules
someone want 10'ooo people in stadium..

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Every single sport was affected by covid and it is not really looking good for any of them, however football was looking like it is not as affected as other ones. Look at NBA for example, they had to give a break, they had to arrange a bubble, they didn't allowed anyone in and they are planning on doing 72 game season and basically all around moved the whole season further away, things got really bad there.

In football, we got our football back during summer, ended last season, started this year like nothing happened and everything moved on. Obviously there had to be some consequences of that, and with everyone still outside and roaming around it was always risky. Hopefully every player gets better, I do not care about the results as long as we do not get any seriously ill player in any team.

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Quote from: kassex on November 09, 2020, 08:39:25 AM

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I think this is the COVID effect.

I see often now without people at the stadium games when a high number of goals are scored.
I remember an Aston Villa Liverpool 7-2, several 6 - 0.

It will be interesting to see if it is only my impression or it has a statitical value.

COVID could partly be the contributor. The UCL has also had some modifications where they have been playing almost every other week. O don't think players have had enough rest especially since the Summer break was so short.

Another case could be due to VAR, so many penalties and dangerous free kicks have been awarded due to even simple fouls. Such fouls could have easily been avoided in the Pre-VAR era.

Since the existence of VAR there have been a lot of penalty kicks and free kicks that certain teams have gotten, but one of the most annoying things about VAR is when the game is over but the referee still decides to look at VAR. The game of football is not as exciting as it used to be where there was a lot of controversy and drama on the pitch, but now football is really closely watched so there is no drama at all in football. This is why team play is not as aggressive as it was before VAR.

I completely agree with you. Var killed the intrigue in football. He killed the beauty of the game. After scoring goals, you don’t know to rejoice or wait for the referee’s decision. However, there are some positive moments. There are few controversial moments. But I think they will not be able to completely remove them.

Maybe sometime in the future referees will have access to technology in real-time? Some kind of augmented reality, and they will see immediately if it was offside or not?
I think it is not bad that games are becoming more fair!

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Quote from: Oneandpure on November 09, 2020, 11:48:58 AM

have only heard of the game of rugby and have never watched it either live at the stadium or on televidia. Even I also do not understand how the rules in rugby play, at first glance it is very different between football and rugby it seems that referees make decisions easier in rugby than in football. In football, referees are required to move quickly in order to make the right decisions and are required to always be in a position close to the players who have control of the ball, especially when there is a counterattack many referees have to run so fast so that nothing is overlooked when making decisions.

I swear! To a football fan like myself, most other sports seem a lot more strange and it often becomes what is better heard than watched. For how do you enjoy a game when first, you know nothing of the rules... Football just over shadows all of them except for sports like race (Car, bike, marathon etc ), boxing, tennis and at times golf where you can easily speculate and follow up. Other sports kind of hangs you in the balance.

Football referee jobs are so difficult that, they continue to increase officials occasionally to ease the work of officiating. The referees go through a lot of stress compared to players as they are always on the run for almost the full 90 minutes. Plus, the task of making the right calls in no time. It's not easy for them.

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Quote from: Karartma1 on November 09, 2020, 11:02:34 AM

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Another case could be due to VAR, so many penalties and dangerous free kicks have been awarded due to even simple fouls. Such fouls could have easily been avoided in the Pre-VAR era.

Since the existence of VAR there have been a lot of penalty kicks and free kicks that certain teams have gotten, but one of the most annoying things about VAR is when the game is over but the referee still decides to look at VAR. The game of football is not as exciting as it used to be where there was a lot of controversy and drama on the pitch, but now football is really closely watched so there is no drama at all in football. This is why team play is not as aggressive as it was before VAR.

I completely agree with you. Var killed the intrigue in football. He killed the beauty of the game. After scoring goals, you don’t know to rejoice or wait for the referee’s decision. However, there are some positive moments. There are few controversial moments. But I think they will not be able to completely remove them.

Have you guys ever watched a rugby match? In rugby, the main intervention points for a TMO [Television Match Official] are for an act of scoring or foul play. I do know that the tempo between rugby and football is completely different, with rugby aficionados having many more occasions of seeing the game interrupted (for scrums, line outs and injuries). But now that the technology has been embedded in football there's probably no going back. In rugby it works almost perfectly, football should learn a lot from it. Football referees have to become much better at integrating their judgement with VAR calls.

I have only heard of the game of rugby and have never watched it either live at the stadium or on televidia. Even I also do not understand how the rules in rugby play, at first glance it is very different between football and rugby it seems that referees make decisions easier in rugby than in football. In football, referees are required to move quickly in order to make the right decisions and are required to always be in a position close to the players who have control of the ball, especially when there is a counterattack many referees have to run so fast so that nothing is overlooked when making decisions.

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Quote from: kassex on November 09, 2020, 08:39:25 AM

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on November 06, 2020, 05:50:08 PM

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Another case could be due to VAR, so many penalties and dangerous free kicks have been awarded due to even simple fouls. Such fouls could have easily been avoided in the Pre-VAR era.

Since the existence of VAR there have been a lot of penalty kicks and free kicks that certain teams have gotten, but one of the most annoying things about VAR is when the game is over but the referee still decides to look at VAR. The game of football is not as exciting as it used to be where there was a lot of controversy and drama on the pitch, but now football is really closely watched so there is no drama at all in football. This is why team play is not as aggressive as it was before VAR.

I completely agree with you. Var killed the intrigue in football. He killed the beauty of the game. After scoring goals, you don’t know to rejoice or wait for the referee’s decision. However, there are some positive moments. There are few controversial moments. But I think they will not be able to completely remove them.

Have you guys ever watched a rugby match? In rugby, the main intervention points for a TMO [Television Match Official] are for an act of scoring or foul play. I do know that the tempo between rugby and football is completely different, with rugby aficionados having many more occasions of seeing the game interrupted (for scrums, line outs and injuries). But now that the technology has been embedded in football there's probably no going back. In rugby it works almost perfectly, football should learn a lot from it. Football referees have to become much better at integrating their judgement with VAR calls.

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Quote from: kassex on November 09, 2020, 08:39:25 AM

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Quote from: JeromeTash on November 07, 2020, 04:54:07 PM

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I think this is the COVID effect.

I see often now without people at the stadium games when a high number of goals are scored.
I remember an Aston Villa Liverpool 7-2, several 6 - 0.

It will be interesting to see if it is only my impression or it has a statitical value.

COVID could partly be the contributor. The UCL has also had some modifications where they have been playing almost every other week. O don't think players have had enough rest especially since the Summer break was so short.

Another case could be due to VAR, so many penalties and dangerous free kicks have been awarded due to even simple fouls. Such fouls could have easily been avoided in the Pre-VAR era.

Since the existence of VAR there have been a lot of penalty kicks and free kicks that certain teams have gotten, but one of the most annoying things about VAR is when the game is over but the referee still decides to look at VAR. The game of football is not as exciting as it used to be where there was a lot of controversy and drama on the pitch, but now football is really closely watched so there is no drama at all in football. This is why team play is not as aggressive as it was before VAR.

I completely agree with you. Var killed the intrigue in football. He killed the beauty of the game. After scoring goals, you don’t know to rejoice or wait for the referee’s decision. However, there are some positive moments. There are few controversial moments. But I think they will not be able to completely remove them.

With the implementation of VAR, it has changed the pattern of playing in football, there is no artistic value and also the controversy that has been generated in every match, let alone derby matches or classic matches. Although the presence of VAR is very helpful in monitoring matches and assisting the referees but there is a beauty in football that has been lost since the existence of VAR. Many agree with the application of VAR in football but many also disagree because every match is almost 10 minutes wasted just watching a replay on VAR. The application of VAR will become permanent in football because not all teams want VAR to be removed in football.

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Quote from: Xxmodded on November 09, 2020, 07:09:58 AM

Quote from: JeromeTash on November 07, 2020, 04:54:07 PM

Quote from: coinlocket$ on November 06, 2020, 05:50:08 PM

I think this is the COVID effect.

I see often now without people at the stadium games when a high number of goals are scored.
I remember an Aston Villa Liverpool 7-2, several 6 - 0.

It will be interesting to see if it is only my impression or it has a statitical value.

COVID could partly be the contributor. The UCL has also had some modifications where they have been playing almost every other week. O don't think players have had enough rest especially since the Summer break was so short.

Another case could be due to VAR, so many penalties and dangerous free kicks have been awarded due to even simple fouls. Such fouls could have easily been avoided in the Pre-VAR era.

Since the existence of VAR there have been a lot of penalty kicks and free kicks that certain teams have gotten, but one of the most annoying things about VAR is when the game is over but the referee still decides to look at VAR. The game of football is not as exciting as it used to be where there was a lot of controversy and drama on the pitch, but now football is really closely watched so there is no drama at all in football. This is why team play is not as aggressive as it was before VAR.

I completely agree with you. Var killed the intrigue in football. He killed the beauty of the game. After scoring goals, you don’t know to rejoice or wait for the referee’s decision. However, there are some positive moments. There are few controversial moments. But I think they will not be able to completely remove them.

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Quote from: Xxmodded on November 09, 2020, 07:09:58 AM

Since the existence of VAR there have been a lot of penalty kicks and free kicks that certain teams have gotten, but one of the most annoying things about VAR is when the game is over but the referee still decides to look at VAR. The game of football is not as exciting as it used to be where there was a lot of controversy and drama on the pitch, but now football is really closely watched so there is no drama at all in football. This is why team play is not as aggressive as it was before VAR.

VAR has now become an important part of football and can monitor referees who do not know what happened before blowing the whistle, but indeed controversy still occurs, some say it is beneficial, there are also those that are detrimental to the team, that is, the current rules every time there must be changes with sophisticated technology.

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Quote from: JeromeTash on November 07, 2020, 04:54:07 PM

Quote from: coinlocket$ on November 06, 2020, 05:50:08 PM

I think this is the COVID effect.

I see often now without people at the stadium games when a high number of goals are scored.
I remember an Aston Villa Liverpool 7-2, several 6 - 0.

It will be interesting to see if it is only my impression or it has a statitical value.

COVID could partly be the contributor. The UCL has also had some modifications where they have been playing almost every other week. O don't think players have had enough rest especially since the Summer break was so short.

Another case could be due to VAR, so many penalties and dangerous free kicks have been awarded due to even simple fouls. Such fouls could have easily been avoided in the Pre-VAR era.

Since the existence of VAR there have been a lot of penalty kicks and free kicks that certain teams have gotten, but one of the most annoying things about VAR is when the game is over but the referee still decides to look at VAR. The game of football is not as exciting as it used to be where there was a lot of controversy and drama on the pitch, but now football is really closely watched so there is no drama at all in football. This is why team play is not as aggressive as it was before VAR.

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Quote from: nikola22 on November 08, 2020, 05:48:52 PM

in some cases COVID was the main contributor to the results. for the example, just remember the match Shakhtar - Borussia M where ukrainian team lost 0-6 due to weakened squad (many players were restoring after COVID).

On the other hand, Shakhtar managed to beat Real and get draw against Inter without even more players. But yeah, I agree that Covid is huge factor this season, especially when you lose half of squad or key player like Ronaldo.

Quote from: JeromeTash on November 07, 2020, 04:54:07 PM

Another case could be due to VAR, so many penalties and dangerous free kicks have been awarded due to even simple fouls. Such fouls could have easily been avoided in the Pre-VAR era.

I will correct you a bit, VAR can't be used to award free kicks. But it would be interesting to compare average number of goals scored and penalties awarded in Europa League, where VAR isn't used and Champions league.

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Quote from: JeromeTash on November 07, 2020, 04:54:07 PM

COVID could partly be the contributor. The UCL has also had some modifications where they have been playing almost every other week. O don't think players have had enough rest especially since the Summer break was so short.

Another case could be due to VAR, so many penalties and dangerous free kicks have been awarded due to even simple fouls. Such fouls could have easily been avoided in the Pre-VAR era.

in some cases COVID was the main contributor to the results. for the example, just remember the match Shakhtar - Borussia M where ukrainian team lost 0-6 due to weakened squad (many players were restoring after COVID).

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Quote from: DatKing on November 06, 2020, 07:31:45 PM

According to the last situation of groups, I think there is no team that can stand on Bayern Munich's way now. They are playing at a much higher level than their competitors. If it goes this way, they won't have big problems on winning the cup.

They really play very good football right now. They continue the good performance they had last season.
The final however is just one match where anything can happen. A penalty, a red card or a header may be critical for the game. I don't think that Bayern is going to be the winner of the Cl for a second time in a row this season. There are a lot of competitive teams such as Liverpool, Real and City that can be the winners as well.

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Quote from: JeromeTash on November 07, 2020, 04:54:07 PM

COVID could partly be the contributor. The UCL has also had some modifications where they have been playing almost every other week. O don't think players have had enough rest especially since the Summer break was so short.

Another case could be due to VAR, so many penalties and dangerous free kicks have been awarded due to even simple fouls. Such fouls could have easily been avoided in the Pre-VAR era.

I think the major influencer here is the people at the stadium nothing more.
I never seen so many goals ever, even now when they can rest the normal week.

Even taking for example 4 goals in a game and be hissed by spectators can save you to take 3 more goals for example even if you are demoralized.

Now without anyone cheering for you or hissing you, you can take the punch and never stand up again...

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on November 06, 2020, 05:50:08 PM

I think this is the COVID effect.

I see often now without people at the stadium games when a high number of goals are scored.
I remember an Aston Villa Liverpool 7-2, several 6 - 0.

It will be interesting to see if it is only my impression or it has a statitical value.

COVID could partly be the contributor. The UCL has also had some modifications where they have been playing almost every other week. O don't think players have had enough rest especially since the Summer break was so short.

Another case could be due to VAR, so many penalties and dangerous free kicks have been awarded due to even simple fouls. Such fouls could have easily been avoided in the Pre-VAR era.

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Quote from: NotATether on November 06, 2020, 06:12:23 PM

How does that explain the 33 count for 2019-2020 though? Coronavirus came into football leagues late in the season so that couldn't have caused matches to get that many goals quickly, and I don't recall anything else abnormal happening in that season.

Not in Serie A, we were the League with the bigger number of games not played before the suspension.

We may be even stopped after others Leagues but we started late and with more games to be played.

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According to the last situation of groups, I think there is no team that can stand on Bayern Munich's way now. They are playing at a much higher level than their competitors. If it goes this way, they won't have big problems on winning the cup.

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