UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread - page 929.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on October 13, 2020, 01:10:50 PM

A little while ago I heard that Ronaldo has corona positive. This is really hard news for us as a football fan. you know now he has to stay at home quarantine for 14 days.

Wait, has the news been confirmed?

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on October 13, 2020, 01:10:50 PM

What do you think? How successful can the Juventus team be without Ronaldo?

Of course not, Ronaldo's presence on the field will really help Juventus attack line. Without his presence I thought Juventus lacked strength in front of the opponent's goal. Even if there are other player who can replace Ronaldo role, it will never be the same. Ronaldo is a player that his opponent are wary of, dangerous and sharp. However, without it in the field it would be very different. But, Juventus should not rely solely on player like Ronaldo, who is not good as it could lead to a lack of team spirit in his absence.

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A little while ago I heard that Ronaldo has corona positive. This is really hard news for us as a football fan. you know now he has to stay at home quarantine for 14 days. Juventus has 4 games in this month, two Champions League games and you know there is a game against Barcelona on next 29 October, which is really a very important match for them. Winning with a strong team like Barcelona will not be easy at all, without a skilled striker like Ronaldo.

What do you think? How successful can the Juventus team be without Ronaldo?

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Quote from: babo on October 12, 2020, 02:52:42 AM

Quote from: LTU_btc on October 09, 2020, 05:24:36 PM

And I respect your opinion. I'm not saying that my opinion is 100% right and that you're wrong, we just have different views and it's completely normal thing.

And me too, i respect you and your opinion.
Unfortunately we are in very difficult times and we have to make some sacrifices.
Giving up something allows us to preserve the conditions that allow us to enjoy something.
Total lockdown is truly terrible (and boring).

I prefer not to go to the stadium if it serves to avoid it.
I prefer not to go to pub with friends, if it servers to avoid it.

I agree.We should all fight together this fight against this visible enemy and we can win it real soon if we all make personal sacrifices by sacrifying some of our desires for a greater good which is the total elimination of the virus.
I think we should all do this in order to hope for a better future without Covid 19 virus around us.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 09, 2020, 05:24:36 PM

And I respect your opinion. I'm not saying that my opinion is 100% right and that you're wrong, we just have different views and it's completely normal thing.

And me too, i respect you and your opinion.
Unfortunately we are in very difficult times and we have to make some sacrifices.
Giving up something allows us to preserve the conditions that allow us to enjoy something.
Total lockdown is truly terrible (and boring).

I prefer not to go to the stadium if it serves to avoid it.
I prefer not to go to pub with friends, if it servers to avoid it.

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Quote from: babo on October 09, 2020, 03:33:24 AM

i think different about you and @Juggy777 .. we have freedom of speach and think .. yes?

And I respect your opinion. I'm not saying that my opinion is 100% right and that you're wrong, we just have different views and it's completely normal thing.

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Quote from: babo on October 09, 2020, 03:45:17 AM

Quote from: giammangiato on October 09, 2020, 03:43:33 AM

if we all behaved as responsible people, in my opinion, it would not be a wrong thing to go to the stadium.
the problem is seeing some who don't follow the rules and endanger everyone!

well that's exactly why i say it's a bad idea.
I think it is not right to block an entire life for a virus, in the past there have been and there will still be in the future. But if people obeyed the rules, we could go out, go to the stadium, go clubbing.
instead, people don't respect the rules (and social distancing)

you're absolutely right. and when there is alcohol to buy in the stadium or on the way to the stadium, people become more and more reckless.
then large groups of people get together and the risk of getting infected is much higher. i haven't been to a stadium for more than 6 months now.
but i'm also afraid to go there even if only a few fans come

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Quote from: giammangiato on October 09, 2020, 03:43:33 AM

if we all behaved as responsible people, in my opinion, it would not be a wrong thing to go to the stadium.
the problem is seeing some who don't follow the rules and endanger everyone!

It is not clear to me how schools can be opened and many factories, where many people are in one place indoors. Imagine children in school and kindergartens (you think they know how to behave properly), then people must be let into the stadium with great discipline nothing would happen, of course a limited number, masks required.

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Quote from: giammangiato on October 09, 2020, 03:43:33 AM

if we all behaved as responsible people, in my opinion, it would not be a wrong thing to go to the stadium.
the problem is seeing some who don't follow the rules and endanger everyone!

well that's exactly why i say it's a bad idea.
I think it is not right to block an entire life for a virus, in the past there have been and there will still be in the future. But if people obeyed the rules, we could go out, go to the stadium, go clubbing.
instead, people don't respect the rules (and social distancing)

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if we all behaved as responsible people, in my opinion, it would not be a wrong thing to go to the stadium.
the problem is seeing some who don't follow the rules and endanger everyone!

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 08, 2020, 03:29:50 PM

Well, @Juggy777 explained very well why stadium is safer place than restaurant. First, restaurant is closed room and we all know that spread of virus is easier. Also, there is less people in restaurant than in stadium, but main factor is distancing - it's not always possible to keep it there, also people using same entrance. You can't wear mask when you eat or drink - it's another risk factor.
While in stadium you sit in open air, it have multiple entrances. If in stadium which can hold 50k people they allow 5k people for example, distance between spectators is huge and they can't have close contact.
Actually, it would be interesting to see data from countries where spectators are allowed to enter stadiums, did it affected spread of virus and number of new cases.

i think different about you and @Juggy777 .. we have freedom of speach and think .. yes?
For me, because i think in analitics way (numbers) 10000 is different than 200
in stadium they are place with distance, but we have much place in common for spread virus

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Quote from: babo on October 08, 2020, 05:05:20 AM

Money is the only one factor. Because for sport club is the only engine for move their greed.
I'm not agree with you, because in one restaurant? 200 guys?
in stadium 10000... is a little different scale factor..

but no problem for me.. go and spread the covid and after we going in lockdown -> mean no games

Well, @Juggy777 explained very well why stadium is safer place than restaurant. First, restaurant is closed room and we all know that spread of virus is easier. Also, there is less people in restaurant than in stadium, but main factor is distancing - it's not always possible to keep it there, also people using same entrance. You can't wear mask when you eat or drink - it's another risk factor.
While in stadium you sit in open air, it have multiple entrances. If in stadium which can hold 50k people they allow 5k people for example, distance between spectators is huge and they can't have close contact.
Actually, it would be interesting to see data from countries where spectators are allowed to enter stadiums, did it affected spread of virus and number of new cases.

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Quote from: babo on October 08, 2020, 05:05:20 AM

Quote from: LTU_btc on October 07, 2020, 03:26:01 PM

Well, offcourse money is important factor, clubs want to make at least some money from sold tickets. But also people want to visit stadiums, they were missing this thing since March. Offcourse that many afraid to attend games, but nobody is forcing them to go there. In many countries people are allowed to visit restaurants, gyms, cinema or museums with masks and social distancing, I don't know how stadiums are different from these places.

Money is the only one factor. Because for sport club is the only engine for move their greed.
I'm not agree with you, because in one restaurant? 200 guys?
in stadium 10000... is a little different scale factor..

but no problem for me.. go and spread the covid and after we going in lockdown -> mean no games

Yes, we cannot ignore Covid because those infected look normal and even though restaurants or other places are still allowed on the condition that they must follow health protocols established by the government, especially maintaining distance, checking temperature, clock rules, wearing masks and so on.
it is different from a stadium with a capacity of thousands of people who are not allowed because they are carried away by an uncontrollable atmosphere and forget to keep their distance and other rules if any.
So that the government is more aware of the risks that will occur and there is a reason, hopefully this pandemic will end quickly so that the stadium is filled with football lovers again.

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Quote from: babo on October 08, 2020, 05:05:20 AM

Quote from: LTU_btc on October 07, 2020, 03:26:01 PM

Well, offcourse money is important factor, clubs want to make at least some money from sold tickets. But also people want to visit stadiums, they were missing this thing since March. Offcourse that many afraid to attend games, but nobody is forcing them to go there. In many countries people are allowed to visit restaurants, gyms, cinema or museums with masks and social distancing, I don't know how stadiums are different from these places.

Money is the only one factor. Because for sport club is the only engine for move their greed.
I'm not agree with you, because in one restaurant? 200 guys?
in stadium 10000... is a little different scale factor..

but no problem for me.. go and spread the covid and after we going in lockdown -> mean no games

@babo there’re few points which I would like to highlight here i.e. when you visit a restaurant you’re removing your mask to eat, and you’re sitting in an air conditioned room, and covid is known to spread through ac so isn’t restaurants risky too?.

Secondly the stadium is quite big, and has lots of open space which means that people can sit at a comfortable distance, and avoid being infected by this virus.

Lastly if I had the chance to visit the stadium I would personally not go, but considering that this virus is here to stay, and this is the new normal at some stage UEFA and other leagues will have to allow fans back in the stadium.

Sources:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/08/15/897147164/can-air-conditioners-spread-covid-19

https://www.goal.com/en-in/news/premier-league-sends-open-letter-urging-government-to-allow-fans-/1s5cottc17i4j1jeo3gihz8pdj

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 07, 2020, 03:26:01 PM

Well, offcourse money is important factor, clubs want to make at least some money from sold tickets. But also people want to visit stadiums, they were missing this thing since March. Offcourse that many afraid to attend games, but nobody is forcing them to go there. In many countries people are allowed to visit restaurants, gyms, cinema or museums with masks and social distancing, I don't know how stadiums are different from these places.

Money is the only one factor. Because for sport club is the only engine for move their greed.
I'm not agree with you, because in one restaurant? 200 guys?
in stadium 10000... is a little different scale factor..

but no problem for me.. go and spread the covid and after we going in lockdown -> mean no games

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Quote from: MCobian on October 07, 2020, 06:35:00 PM

Quote from: Raflesia on October 07, 2020, 06:12:47 PM

Quote from: swogerino on October 07, 2020, 04:49:05 AM

Quote from: giammangiato on October 07, 2020, 03:53:18 AM

obviously, for them it is an economic loss for this reason they push to have people in the stadium.
in fact, given the situation and the risks, they could settle for this year and not be the usual greedy cowards
after vaccine, all can return to normal

This reminds me of the situation with casinos in Las Vegas which opened although we were in the middle of the pandemic and the major of Las Vegas said economic recovery is only possible through re opening of businesses.
I think UEFA is in the same situation,they need money and for money they need people in the stadiums.

So in any situation UEFA must be able to increase these finances if spectators are allowed to enter the stadium with a limited number then that is also good, regarding this situation, it remains very tight guard.
But in this pandemic all business must start over slowly because it will measure what is happening now, including football which is much in demand, ah if the EUFA allows the audience to enter it will be more interested.

I agree that UEFA should consider starting to allow spectators to watch live at stadiums. Because there is no certainty when the corona
virus will end, while money income from viewers is needed. So agree if UEFA allow spectators to watch live at the stadium, but of course
the number must be limited. Because it must not violate health protocols, In my opinion, 50% of the maximum available seating capacity
is the limit on the audience that can attend. Because this way can help the economy recover.

I agree with you. But I think up to 70% of the viewers they can allow. But everyone must wear a mask. Under no circumstances can it be kept open. And maintain as much physical distance as possible. I think it is the perfect time to reopen all the stadium for the spectators. The incidence of coronavirus has decreased and the vaccine will be available soon

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Quote from: Raflesia on October 07, 2020, 06:12:47 PM

Quote from: swogerino on October 07, 2020, 04:49:05 AM

Quote from: giammangiato on October 07, 2020, 03:53:18 AM

obviously, for them it is an economic loss for this reason they push to have people in the stadium.
in fact, given the situation and the risks, they could settle for this year and not be the usual greedy cowards

after vaccine, all can return to normal

This reminds me of the situation with casinos in Las Vegas which opened although we were in the middle of the pandemic and the major of Las Vegas said economic recovery is only possible through re opening of businesses.
I think UEFA is in the same situation,they need money and for money they need people in the stadiums.

So in any situation UEFA must be able to increase these finances if spectators are allowed to enter the stadium with a limited number then that is also good, regarding this situation, it remains very tight guard.

But in this pandemic all business must start over slowly because it will measure what is happening now, including football which is much in demand, ah if the EUFA allows the audience to enter it will be more interested.

I agree that UEFA should consider starting to allow spectators to watch live at stadiums. Because there is no certainty when the corona
virus will end, while money income from viewers is needed. So agree if UEFA allow spectators to watch live at the stadium, but of course
the number must be limited. Because it must not violate health protocols, In my opinion, 50% of the maximum available seating capacity
is the limit on the audience that can attend. Because this way can help the economy recover.

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Quote from: swogerino on October 07, 2020, 04:49:05 AM

Quote from: giammangiato on October 07, 2020, 03:53:18 AM

obviously, for them it is an economic loss for this reason they push to have people in the stadium.
in fact, given the situation and the risks, they could settle for this year and not be the usual greedy cowards

after vaccine, all can return to normal

This reminds me of the situation with casinos in Las Vegas which opened although we were in the middle of the pandemic and the major of Las Vegas said economic recovery is only possible through re opening of businesses.
I think UEFA is in the same situation,they need money and for money they need people in the stadiums.

So in any situation UEFA must be able to increase these finances if spectators are allowed to enter the stadium with a limited number then that is also good, regarding this situation, it remains very tight guard.

But in this pandemic all business must start over slowly because it will measure what is happening now, including football which is much in demand, ah if the EUFA allows the audience to enter it will be more interested.

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Quote from: babo on October 07, 2020, 03:48:53 AM

but why do you think people want stadiums? for charity or because they are greedy?
I'm saying something else

if we allow the virus to spread, we will have more lockdowns and therefore there will be no games

better not to go to the stadium and watch the show on TV or better not to watch anything at all?

we use the brain, guys

Well, offcourse money is important factor, clubs want to make at least some money from sold tickets. But also people want to visit stadiums, they were missing this thing since March. Offcourse that many afraid to attend games, but nobody is forcing them to go there. In many countries people are allowed to visit restaurants, gyms, cinema or museums with masks and social distancing, I don't know how stadiums are different from these places.

Quote from: giammangiato on October 07, 2020, 06:44:58 AM

In Italy you can not participate, if I remember correctly, at the stadium.

People in Italy are allowed to enter, but very limited number, just 1000.

Quote from: Trofo on October 07, 2020, 01:19:08 PM

Maybe soon we will be talking do you remember the times when stadiums were full and we were all celebrating the goals together Sad

I'm sure that things will back to normal sooner or later. Maybe it will took few years, but we will see full stadiums. It's first global pandemic in history. It simply can't last forever.

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Quote from: tyz on October 07, 2020, 05:18:50 AM

I agree with @LTU_btc. I think we will not see normal football games with full stadiums for several years. The virus will not disappear easily. And whether the drugs will work as hoped is also highly doubtful. And if there is a vaccine next year, there will be many people who will not get vaccinated. Especially if there are cases where the vaccination leads to health problems which there will always be because they always occur, especially with such a rapidly developed vaccine substance..

Virus is here to stay and we will gradually adapt or it will run it course until we get herd immunity. The world will never be same again and new generations will simply be used to it. Do you guys remember what airports and taking flights was before 9/11? Almost no checks and choke points, everything was going fast and I got checked maybe once from 10 flights I took. These days it sound unbelievable.

For sports to work in covid infested world we will have to adapt and lower the amounts of supporters which are able to attend the games. Which is if you ask me still way better than no supporters at all and should not pose a great health risk, provided that supporters behave as they should. Maybe soon we will be talking do you remember the times when stadiums were full and we were all celebrating the goals together Sad

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But can we go to the stadium now? this thing escapes me and I don't understand why you are arguing.
In Italy you can not participate, if I remember correctly, at the stadium.

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