UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread - page 930.

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Quote from: babo on October 07, 2020, 02:48:53 AM

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Quote from: babo on October 06, 2020, 03:10:11 AM

we can watch from tv this year.. and next year we return to stadium... dont be greed.. 0 is less than few

And what will happen next year? It's not worth to expect that virus will disappear then. Vaccine? Question is open when we will have it and how effective it will be. And now we have to learn how to live with virus around us. And I think that stadiums in current reality is far from being most dangerous places for people.

but why do you think people want stadiums? for charity or because they are greedy?
I'm saying something else

if we allow the virus to spread, we will have more lockdowns and therefore there will be no games

better not to go to the stadium and watch the show on TV or better not to watch anything at all?

we use the brain, guy

I agree with @LTU_btc. I think we will not see normal football games with full stadiums for several years. The virus will not disappear easily. And whether the drugs will work as hoped is also highly doubtful. And if there is a vaccine next year, there will be many people who will not get vaccinated. Especially if there are cases where the vaccination leads to health problems which there will always be because they always occur, especially with such a rapidly developed vaccine substance..

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Quote from: giammangiato on October 06, 2020, 10:32:36 AM

I totally agree with you, in the end it is not necessary to go to the stadium in this situation
it would be worse if the championship or the cup were suspended

I think if we don't act now to give ourselves a limit, there will be another lockdown

I think governments have to unite and do 1 of either. Everyone take serious action now to limit and kill it off,,, or everyone takes the same actions to say, okay let us just let Covid run the course.

Because the problem now is mixed actions then means nothing is resolved or everything is postponed. The way it looks now. Another lockdown for sure.

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Quote from: swogerino on October 07, 2020, 03:49:05 AM

This reminds me of the situation with casinos in Las Vegas which opened although we were in the middle of the pandemic and the major of Las Vegas said economic recovery is only possible through re opening of businesses.
I think UEFA is in the same situation,they need money and for money they need people in the stadiums.

And that could be possible if the incidence of infection had decreased dramatically. It will take the next few months to monitor the situation regarding the pandemic and if the situation improves then I will support them to allow spectators to be in the stadium. I believe the pandemic situation will get better and better and it will bring us back to freedom without having to fear infection.

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Quote from: giammangiato on October 07, 2020, 02:53:18 AM

obviously, for them it is an economic loss for this reason they push to have people in the stadium.
in fact, given the situation and the risks, they could settle for this year and not be the usual greedy cowards

after vaccine, all can return to normal

This reminds me of the situation with casinos in Las Vegas which opened although we were in the middle of the pandemic and the major of Las Vegas said economic recovery is only possible through re opening of businesses.
I think UEFA is in the same situation,they need money and for money they need people in the stadiums.

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obviously, for them it is an economic loss for this reason they push to have people in the stadium.
in fact, given the situation and the risks, they could settle for this year and not be the usual greedy cowards

after vaccine, all can return to normal

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 06, 2020, 02:11:09 PM

Quote from: babo on October 06, 2020, 03:10:11 AM

we can watch from tv this year.. and next year we return to stadium... dont be greed.. 0 is less than few

And what will happen next year? It's not worth to expect that virus will disappear then. Vaccine? Question is open when we will have it and how effective it will be. And now we have to learn how to live with virus around us. And I think that stadiums in current reality is far from being most dangerous places for people.

but why do you think people want stadiums? for charity or because they are greedy?
I'm saying something else

if we allow the virus to spread, we will have more lockdowns and therefore there will be no games

better not to go to the stadium and watch the show on TV or better not to watch anything at all?

we use the brain, guys

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hmph..

Quote from: babo on October 06, 2020, 03:10:11 AM

is very stupid idea

Yes I know it, that why I'm asking about how organization and clubs can controlled the fans outside stadium. And please read my comment, I'm not supported this open gate, and I believe the fans will not take their risk to visit the match

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Quote from: babo on October 06, 2020, 03:10:11 AM

we can watch from tv this year.. and next year we return to stadium... dont be greed.. 0 is less than few

And what will happen next year? It's not worth to expect that virus will disappear then. Vaccine? Question is open when we will have it and how effective it will be. And now we have to learn how to live with virus around us. And I think that stadiums in current reality is far from being most dangerous places for people.

Quote from: 3meek on October 06, 2020, 03:54:06 AM

Unfortunately now again everything is moving towards the spring quarantine situation! It is possible that the Champions League will be stopped for safety reasons!

I don't think it's going to happen. UEFA and national leagues will do everything what's possible to continue season because losses during first lockown were too big for them. It's more likely that we will have many cases when games are postponed, teams forced to send their reserve team to the game or get 3:0 loss awarded. Like we saw few days ago in Juve - Napoli game.

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I totally agree with you, in the end it is not necessary to go to the stadium in this situation
it would be worse if the championship or the cup were suspended

I think if we don't act now to give ourselves a limit, there will be another lockdown

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Quote from: 3meek on October 06, 2020, 03:54:06 AM

Unfortunately now again everything is moving towards the spring quarantine situation! It is possible that the Champions League will be stopped for safety reasons!

for this reason it is wise to avoid wanting 10k people at the stadium
in the end there is TV, there are other means to be able to attend the games
if we avoid these stupid behaviors, maybe they don't close anything

of course is my opinion

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Quote from: Smartvirus on October 06, 2020, 05:43:31 AM

But then, the question of how the tickets would be sold, time for testing before the start of games as I believe should be a criteria and compliance from fans as the safety rest clearly in our hands being the fans.

I assume they will create an website/platform to help selecting people, maybe a spectator is allowed to attend 1 game per 3-5 games to allow everyone to attend at least a couple of their team matches. Tickets may rise by 50-100%. I don't know if it is stated somewhere but I find it abusive to test 10k spectators! Just a thermal scan with the shitty infra red thermometer should be enough, unless they have a high reserve of unused covid tests then yeah whatever just ask them to test themselves 24-48 hours before the match...

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Quote from: snipie on October 06, 2020, 05:07:51 AM

Quote from: masulum on October 06, 2020, 02:48:28 AM

So, I think the people themselves will avoid coming to the stadium for their personal health.

You underestimate human craziness! If a stadium can fit 50k people then I am pretty sure 5-10k one will attend the event whatever the situation is since they are allowed to... Political rallies, some football celebration events around the world took place as there was nothing... Madness!
For the max 10k number I find it good and relatively easy to handle, it means everyone having 2? empty seats in his left and right for a 50k stadium, I think it isn't that bad.

Of only it could have been that easy with human behavior as per complying to rules and regulations. Of course, every one in that stadium will be filled with the notion that they've been tested and are confirmed negative, so also would want to relate the same negativity of status to thir closest neighbors.
Hence, fans will see the need to feel free and maybe take off their mask to celebrate for goals, best and worst player and I believe you know the craziness of fans not to be limited to shouting an possibly jumping unto the pitch.
So, I still doubt the matter of allowing for fans participation as much as I would have wished it possible by your calculation, I mean, it's logical enough and seem very doable. But then, the question of how the tickets would be sold, time for testing before the start of games as I believe should be a criteria and compliance from fans as the safety rest clearly in our hands being the fans.

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Quote from: masulum on October 06, 2020, 02:48:28 AM

So, I think the people themselves will avoid coming to the stadium for their personal health.

You underestimate human craziness! If a stadium can fit 50k people then I am pretty sure 5-10k one will attend the event whatever the situation is since they are allowed to... Political rallies, some football celebration events around the world took place as there was nothing... Madness!
For the max 10k number I find it good and relatively easy to handle, it means everyone having 2? empty seats in his left and right for a 50k stadium, I think it isn't that bad.

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Quote from: 3meek on October 06, 2020, 03:54:06 AM

Unfortunately now again everything is moving towards the spring quarantine situation! It is possible that the Champions League will be stopped for safety reasons!

In trying to relax the rules of safety so the rest of the world could return to it's normalcy, the issue with the Covid19 pandemic seem to have spring up again, coursing same discrepancies as before though, to a limited extent with lots of safety measures already in place in contrast to the time before hand.
It's very unlikely to have occured just as the rest of soccer fans were expecting a reopening of the stadium for fans participation in the games as the infection is band to spread due to the activities of fans which is emotionally based on their prospective teams performance and could be rather uncontrollable. Hence, the later could result in a closer of the games till it's most likely that the safety quota is high and a prominent solution put in place. So, for the love of the games/UCL, let's endure a lot more by staying at home.

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Unfortunately now again everything is moving towards the spring quarantine situation! It is possible that the Champions League will be stopped for safety reasons!

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Quote from: masulum on October 06, 2020, 02:48:28 AM

Yes indeed, for Europe this is still very possible. Supporters can be fair with the results of the matches both losers and winners. However, 10K, even though inside the stadium can be controlled, what about when they are outside the stadium, can they keep their distance? So, I think the people themselves will avoid coming to the stadium for their personal health.

we need to keep people off of stadium
if people go ill... someone start to say.. close all games, close all competitions

is very stupid idea

we can watch from tv this year.. and next year we return to stadium... dont be greed.. 0 is less than few

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hmph..

Yes indeed, for Europe this is still very possible. Supporters can be fair with the results of the matches both losers and winners. However, 10K, even though inside the stadium can be controlled, what about when they are outside the stadium, can they keep their distance? So, I think the people themselves will avoid coming to the stadium for their personal health.

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The 1st game for Juve is obvious at home with the Barca double game.
Uefa wants 10k people at the stadium and looking at the situation Italy is the only place where we MAYBE have this number.

But the situation is worsening day after day here too so it will probably end with no people at stadium

10k people LoL

the fact that they want is not necessarily possible in reality, they should know
we ignore the not very nice comments about them (for me are idiots), unfortunately until we have a vaccine we must do what we can
we need hope vaccine go out fast and this is secure vaccine

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Quote from: DeathAngel on October 02, 2020, 06:02:57 AM

Are you Italian, are they letting fans into games in Italy? Atalanta are a good team but your team Liverpool will be too strong for all the teams in that group. Ajax are not the team they were two seasons ago, bigger clubs have taken their best players.

Hey man, sorry I missed it. Don't really check forum that much during the weekends.
I'm from Croatia and Bergamo is close enough for a road trip. I went to Udine a few years back, went to Florence for the CL game 10+ years ago.

I think I won't be able to travel (the game will probably be played without fans or with limited crowds so getting a ticket won't be possible), but I'm tracking it closely Grin

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Quote from: Naida_BR on October 03, 2020, 10:19:20 AM

Quote from: Daniel91 on October 03, 2020, 07:19:09 AM

Yes, UEFA has already confirmed the news: https://twitter.com/UEFA/status/1311707243251892226
Why are governments afraid to let people into stadiums?
Probably because the fans are very difficult to control, unlike the customers in the store.

It is very difficult to count the number of people in a stadium.
Also this number is huge compared to people who visit stores and the hours that they are staying the one next to the other is very long. Stadiums might be open to spectators only if there are two seats difference between each other.

Offcourse, I'm not talking about full stadiums, there is rio risk IMO if there will be 10k spectators in stadium which can hold 50k people. It make big distance between people, not like in supermarkets where it's not that easy to keep 1-2 metres distance. And I don't think it's difficult to control fans. Tickets are sold online and you must show your full name - it's like KYC. It makes tracking of contacts very easy if one of few of spectators got Covid.

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