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Quote from: giammangiato on July 20, 2023, 06:40:24 AM

Quote from: swogerino on July 20, 2023, 01:13:13 AM

Based on the performance of France team in the last World Cup it would be stupid from any coach whoever this coach is to not continue the support for Mbappe.As long as this player led France to the final of the World Cup it means that he most probably would do well and maybe even better than there in the Euro 2024.If Pogba and Benzema returns these would be great additions to the team but the main player who will lead France should definitely be one of the best players in the world which is clearly Mbappe.France is maybe the strongest contender to win this title.

In fact, let's not forget that France finished second, defeated by a very strong Argentina. In my opinion they are the perfect candidates to win the Europeans, I don't see any other better candidates for the title.
What do you think about it? I also bet something on it.

France did finish second and could only come home as runners-up because they lost to Argentina but at least France has proven that they are one of the strongest, so there is no doubt that for Euro 2024 France is the strongest candidate to win besides Argentina.
The dominant player with Argentina is Messi but now he has a declining playing form and of course it is impossible if he is still a mainstay for Argentina.
In contrast to Mbappe, who is still young, it is more likely to have a sharper attacking game.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 20, 2023, 08:38:51 AM

Obviously France is the strongest team (at least on paper) within the UEFA confederation. But the big question is whether they can win the trophy this time or not. It is not necessary that the strongest team should win the trophy, especially if the team bonding is not very good. England is the second strongest team from UEFA and they also have good chances this time. And although Germany are the hosts, I don't have much hopes for them. They are in decline, and may even struggle to enter the semi-final stage. Other teams like Italy and Spain are in rebuilding phase. So I will not give them a good chance to win the trophy.

For now, my prediction is that France will not win they will no longer be strengthened by Kante, and Paul Poga and Hugo Lloris. Mbappe is indeed a star in the French national team as well as captain in the Les Blues squad, but I think the absence of these three players will greatly impact their performance. Lloris had retired from the national team, Pogba was and Kante was nursing an injury at the time of Didier Deschamps call-up to the France squad for Euro 2024 qualifiers.

France deserves to be on the list of favorites along with Germany, Croatia and England. I think England are at their best right now, so England can be a strong candidate to emerge as champions.

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Quote from: giammangiato on July 20, 2023, 06:40:24 AM

In fact, let's not forget that France finished second, defeated by a very strong Argentina. In my opinion they are the perfect candidates to win the Europeans, I don't see any other better candidates for the title.
What do you think about it? I also bet something on it.

Obviously France is the strongest team (at least on paper) within the UEFA confederation. But the big question is whether they can win the trophy this time or not. It is not necessary that the strongest team should win the trophy, especially if the team bonding is not very good. England is the second strongest team from UEFA and they also have good chances this time. And although Germany are the hosts, I don't have much hopes for them. They are in decline, and may even struggle to enter the semi-final stage. Other teams like Italy and Spain are in rebuilding phase. So I will not give them a good chance to win the trophy.

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Quote from: shogun47 on July 19, 2023, 06:09:56 PM

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Yes, the KDB himself said that this generation of the Belgian team was the strongest but did not win anything, and I think he not only stated the fact, but also meant that this generation had already passed its peak. When compared with the young Netherlands team, it is obvious that they are more promising, although maybe right now they can be weaker than Belgium.
But fans of the Belgian team should not lose heart - the randomness is large in international tournaments and maybe Belgium will still win something even if they are not at their peak.

I think that is really important to mention. The randomness is so high that in almost every tournament we have one of these surprising teams like it was Morocco in Qatar. But they often have one thing in common and that is that they have two or three leaders who can keep pushing the whole team during a tournament and who have lots of experience in playing on the highest level. For me Belgium counts to those teams that can make any top team stumble. When De Bruyne plays his best and they go all out, there is no easy win against them ever.

It would be strange if Belgium were easy to beat (even for a top team) because even now, after a series of failures, they are in 5th place in the FIFA rankings. Morocco is a good example, but they looked strong in general, some other events look much more random (like Germany not qualifying from the group to the next round, for example) or when an obviously weaker team knocks out a favorite in a penalty shootout (as was the case with France at the previous Euro).

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Quote from: swogerino on July 20, 2023, 01:13:13 AM

Based on the performance of France team in the last World Cup it would be stupid from any coach whoever this coach is to not continue the support for Mbappe.As long as this player led France to the final of the World Cup it means that he most probably would do well and maybe even better than there in the Euro 2024.If Pogba and Benzema returns these would be great additions to the team but the main player who will lead France should definitely be one of the best players in the world which is clearly Mbappe.France is maybe the strongest contender to win this title.

In fact, let's not forget that France finished second, defeated by a very strong Argentina. In my opinion they are the perfect candidates to win the Europeans, I don't see any other better candidates for the title.
What do you think about it? I also bet something on it.

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Quote from: marcous on July 19, 2023, 01:13:46 PM

It's true what you said, in fact most of the players in the French National Team are naturalized from other countries. Personally, the egoism that is shown is not based on the origin of the player but rather on his star status at club level and individual fan base. The role of the coach and seniority is very important to reduce the attitude of fellow players on the field so that the final goal is to win the match. Didier Deschamps' squad in the Euro 2024 qualifiers was mostly made up of young players overall, otherwise only Giroud and Griezmann are over 30+.

Specifically, I would say that a player who is selfish above the average other players in the French squad is Mbappe, yes, I think it's natural because he is the main focus of the team. Maybe he will become a permanent captain to replace the role of Hugo Lloris who retired from the national team.

Most of the French players are born and brought up in France, and only a few are naturalized (although majority are of immigrant origin). So I don't think that it is an issue. I haven't noticed any team bonding issues with teams like England and Netherlands, although they are also having mostly immigrant squads. I am disappointed that despite having so many great players, France fails to perform well at major tournaments. They reached the final of 2022 Qatar world, but in the end it was a meek surrender to Lionel Messi's Argentina.

@Sithara007 French failed because they were not entirely united and failed to get Benzema back in time even when he was cleared to participate due to reasons unknown to us. Furthermore Mbappe will definitely be dominating the French squad and even the coach clearly supports him but I’m waiting to see if Pogba returns will the squad be divided or they’ll continue to support Mbappe for the captain band.

Based on the performance of France team in the last World Cup it would be stupid from any coach whoever this coach is to not continue the support for Mbappe.As long as this player led France to the final of the World Cup it means that he most probably would do well and maybe even better than there in the Euro 2024.If Pogba and Benzema returns these would be great additions to the team but the main player who will lead France should definitely be one of the best players in the world which is clearly Mbappe.France is maybe the strongest contender to win this title.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 19, 2023, 08:22:19 PM

Quote from: marcous on July 19, 2023, 01:13:46 PM

It's true what you said, in fact most of the players in the French National Team are naturalized from other countries. Personally, the egoism that is shown is not based on the origin of the player but rather on his star status at club level and individual fan base. The role of the coach and seniority is very important to reduce the attitude of fellow players on the field so that the final goal is to win the match. Didier Deschamps' squad in the Euro 2024 qualifiers was mostly made up of young players overall, otherwise only Giroud and Griezmann are over 30+.

Specifically, I would say that a player who is selfish above the average other players in the French squad is Mbappe, yes, I think it's natural because he is the main focus of the team. Maybe he will become a permanent captain to replace the role of Hugo Lloris who retired from the national team.

Most of the French players are born and brought up in France, and only a few are naturalized (although majority are of immigrant origin). So I don't think that it is an issue. I haven't noticed any team bonding issues with teams like England and Netherlands, although they are also having mostly immigrant squads. I am disappointed that despite having so many great players, France fails to perform well at major tournaments. They reached the final of 2022 Qatar world, but in the end it was a meek surrender to Lionel Messi's Argentina.

@Sithara007 French failed because they were not entirely united and failed to get Benzema back in time even when he was cleared to participate due to reasons unknown to us. Furthermore Mbappe will definitely be dominating the French squad and even the coach clearly supports him but I’m waiting to see if Pogba returns will the squad be divided or they’ll continue to support Mbappe for the captain band.

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Quote from: marcous on July 19, 2023, 01:13:46 PM

It's true what you said, in fact most of the players in the French National Team are naturalized from other countries. Personally, the egoism that is shown is not based on the origin of the player but rather on his star status at club level and individual fan base. The role of the coach and seniority is very important to reduce the attitude of fellow players on the field so that the final goal is to win the match. Didier Deschamps' squad in the Euro 2024 qualifiers was mostly made up of young players overall, otherwise only Giroud and Griezmann are over 30+.

Specifically, I would say that a player who is selfish above the average other players in the French squad is Mbappe, yes, I think it's natural because he is the main focus of the team. Maybe he will become a permanent captain to replace the role of Hugo Lloris who retired from the national team.

Most of the French players are born and brought up in France, and only a few are naturalized (although majority are of immigrant origin). So I don't think that it is an issue. I haven't noticed any team bonding issues with teams like England and Netherlands, although they are also having mostly immigrant squads. I am disappointed that despite having so many great players, France fails to perform well at major tournaments. They reached the final of 2022 Qatar world, but in the end it was a meek surrender to Lionel Messi's Argentina.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 19, 2023, 01:28:10 PM

Quote from: CLS63 on July 12, 2023, 05:40:48 AM

Netherlands seem a little more promising than Belgium to me to be honest. I'm saying this considering the recent performances of both teams in the most recent tournament they joined. In the last World Cup Belgium seemed really poor. They couldn't even qualify from the group stage. Netherlands made it to the quarter finals and resisted the champion Argentina really strongly by barely losing by penalty shootouts.

Considering only this situation Netherlands have a bigger potential to reach a better stage to me. Belgium technically have had a really great generation but they haven't been able to take advantage of it. And the reason behind is really unbelievable. If the players didn't have personal issues between each other maybe we would have already seen Belgium winning a Euro tournament for once at least.

Yes, the KDB himself said that this generation of the Belgian team was the strongest but did not win anything, and I think he not only stated the fact, but also meant that this generation had already passed its peak. When compared with the young Netherlands team, it is obvious that they are more promising, although maybe right now they can be weaker than Belgium.
But fans of the Belgian team should not lose heart - the randomness is large in international tournaments and maybe Belgium will still win something even if they are not at their peak.

I think that is really important to mention. The randomness is so high that in almost every tournament we have one of these surprising teams like it was Morocco in Qatar. But they often have one thing in common and that is that they have two or three leaders who can keep pushing the whole team during a tournament and who have lots of experience in playing on the highest level. For me Belgium counts to those teams that can make any top team stumble. When De Bruyne plays his best and they go all out, there is no easy win against them ever.

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Quote from: CLS63 on July 12, 2023, 05:40:48 AM

Netherlands seem a little more promising than Belgium to me to be honest. I'm saying this considering the recent performances of both teams in the most recent tournament they joined. In the last World Cup Belgium seemed really poor. They couldn't even qualify from the group stage. Netherlands made it to the quarter finals and resisted the champion Argentina really strongly by barely losing by penalty shootouts.

Considering only this situation Netherlands have a bigger potential to reach a better stage to me. Belgium technically have had a really great generation but they haven't been able to take advantage of it. And the reason behind is really unbelievable. If the players didn't have personal issues between each other maybe we would have already seen Belgium winning a Euro tournament for once at least.

Yes, the KDB himself said that this generation of the Belgian team was the strongest but did not win anything, and I think he not only stated the fact, but also meant that this generation had already passed its peak. When compared with the young Netherlands team, it is obvious that they are more promising, although maybe right now they can be weaker than Belgium.
But fans of the Belgian team should not lose heart - the randomness is large in international tournaments and maybe Belgium will still win something even if they are not at their peak.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 17, 2023, 09:12:23 PM

Just watch these two teams play (Argentina and France), and it is very evident. I have never noticed anyone in Argentine squad playing selfishly. They readily pass the ball, depending on the situation and circumstances. But with France, I have noticed several times that their players waste golden opportunities to score, just because they don't want to pass the ball and try to score the goal by themselves. France maybe having some of the best players in the world. But nothing can be done if the players don't trust each other.

It's true what you said, in fact most of the players in the French National Team are naturalized from other countries. Personally, the egoism that is shown is not based on the origin of the player but rather on his star status at club level and individual fan base. The role of the coach and seniority is very important to reduce the attitude of fellow players on the field so that the final goal is to win the match. Didier Deschamps' squad in the Euro 2024 qualifiers was mostly made up of young players overall, otherwise only Giroud and Griezmann are over 30+.

Specifically, I would say that a player who is selfish above the average other players in the French squad is Mbappe, yes, I think it's natural because he is the main focus of the team. Maybe he will become a permanent captain to replace the role of Hugo Lloris who retired from the national team.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 17, 2023, 09:12:23 PM

Quote from: Daniel91 on July 15, 2023, 09:34:53 AM

I completely agree with this.
The teams that were the most disappointing in the last major world and European competitions, such as France, Brazil or Germany, have great individual players but lack team spirit and unity.
It is not enough to gather great individuals and expect that the national team will only win and win trophies by inertia.
At the last EURO, when France lost sensationally, it seems to me to Switzerland, and dropped out of the competition early, it was said that the relations between the players in the French team were very bad.
At the world championship in Qatar, they had a serious problem because of Benzema, who the key players of the team did not want, and this reflected on the team's spirit. It is difficult to say whether they would have become world cus again with Benzema, but the damage has certainly been done.

Just watch these two teams play (Argentina and France), and it is very evident. I have never noticed anyone in Argentine squad playing selfishly. They readily pass the ball, depending on the situation and circumstances. But with France, I have noticed several times that their players waste golden opportunities to score, just because they don't want to pass the ball and try to score the goal by themselves. France maybe having some of the best players in the world. But nothing can be done if the players don't trust each other.

Yes, it is an old truth that a lot of good football players does not necessarily mean a very good team.
France played very well at the 2018 World Cup and deservedly became the world champion.
However, this great generation of France, probably the best in their history, should and had to do much more.
They did't manage to become European champions, and at the last EURO they sensationally lost to Switzerland after major conflicts in the team.
They were second to last in the League of Nations, and at the world cup last year in Qatar, they again had problems with relationships in the team.
However, if they solve the problems in the relations between the players, they will again be big favorites at EURO next year.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on July 15, 2023, 09:34:53 AM

I completely agree with this.
The teams that were the most disappointing in the last major world and European competitions, such as France, Brazil or Germany, have great individual players but lack team spirit and unity.
It is not enough to gather great individuals and expect that the national team will only win and win trophies by inertia.
At the last EURO, when France lost sensationally, it seems to me to Switzerland, and dropped out of the competition early, it was said that the relations between the players in the French team were very bad.
At the world championship in Qatar, they had a serious problem because of Benzema, who the key players of the team did not want, and this reflected on the team's spirit. It is difficult to say whether they would have become world cus again with Benzema, but the damage has certainly been done.

Just watch these two teams play (Argentina and France), and it is very evident. I have never noticed anyone in Argentine squad playing selfishly. They readily pass the ball, depending on the situation and circumstances. But with France, I have noticed several times that their players waste golden opportunities to score, just because they don't want to pass the ball and try to score the goal by themselves. France maybe having some of the best players in the world. But nothing can be done if the players don't trust each other.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 13, 2023, 12:49:10 AM

Quote from: tygeade on July 13, 2023, 12:00:08 AM

Do they though? I get that their goalkeeper had some great saves, but would you consider him one of the best? I wouldn't. Look at their defense, do you really consider any of them as one of the best defenders? They are not top 5 in their position, none of them. They do have a decent midfield, and without Messi that midfield looks like it's just good, not great, not best, just good.

I feel like Argentina doesn't really have a great roster, they do have one of the best team chemistries in the world right now and with world cup that went up even more, they are literally a family at this point but I do not think that they are more talented than others. In any case, Messi will be there, and when you have Messi, you may end up getting a win anyway.

Well. Argentina do have the most valuable player (Lionel Messi) right now. And now coming to other players, I agree that they don't get included if we create a list of top-5 for each position (Emi Martinez IMO is one of the top-5 keepers though). But they work together fantastically as a team. At this point, Argentina has the best team bonding for any of the teams. This is something that is sorely lacking with UEFA teams like France and England. Don't get me started on the fight between Adrien Rabiot on one side and Paul Pogba and Kylian Mbappe on the other, in which some of the family members got involved.

I completely agree with this.
The teams that were the most disappointing in the last major world and European competitions, such as France, Brazil or Germany, have great individual players but lack team spirit and unity.
It is not enough to gather great individuals and expect that the national team will only win and win trophies by inertia.
At the last EURO, when France lost sensationally, it seems to me to Switzerland, and dropped out of the competition early, it was said that the relations between the players in the French team were very bad.
At the world championship in Qatar, they had a serious problem because of Benzema, who the key players of the team did not want, and this reflected on the team's spirit. It is difficult to say whether they would have become world cus again with Benzema, but the damage has certainly been done.

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Quote from: slackovic on July 13, 2023, 01:40:12 AM

Quote from: CLS63 on July 12, 2023, 05:40:48 AM

Netherlands seem a little more promising than Belgium to me to be honest. I'm saying this considering the recent performances of both teams in the most recent tournament they joined. In the last World Cup Belgium seemed really poor. They couldn't even qualify from the group stage. Netherlands made it to the quarter finals and resisted the champion Argentina really strongly by barely losing by penalty shootouts.

Considering only this situation Netherlands have a bigger potential to reach a better stage to me. Belgium technically have had a really great generation but they haven't been able to take advantage of it. And the reason behind is really unbelievable. If the players didn't have personal issues between each other maybe we would have already seen Belgium winning a Euro tournament for once at least.

Yeah, but Netherlands lost both of their games in the UEFA Nations League last month. I know that UEFA Nations League is not considered as a serious competition, but they played ar home and it was for the title so I guess they gave their best to win. I'm not saying that they are a bad team, but I don't see them reaching high stage in the Euro next year. But I do think they are a better team than Belgium.

If you know that it's not considered a serious competition (basically an official friendly) you know that it didn't matter at all. I am not saying Netherlands is a great team, they haven't been all that great for a while now, but I believe that we are going to end up with a different result one way or another. The best thing we can do at this moment would be making sure that we avoid betting on their game, I wouldn't bet on them to win, but I also wouldn't bet on them losing.

I feel the same about Italy for example, unless they are playing some terrible team, I am not betting on them to win, but not betting on them to lose neither, it's definitely a difficult one to predict. Some teams are like that, they can beat France but lose to Sri Lanka, ok maybe not that much but you get what I mean.

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Quote from: CLS63 on July 12, 2023, 05:40:48 AM

Netherlands seem a little more promising than Belgium to me to be honest. I'm saying this considering the recent performances of both teams in the most recent tournament they joined. In the last World Cup Belgium seemed really poor. They couldn't even qualify from the group stage. Netherlands made it to the quarter finals and resisted the champion Argentina really strongly by barely losing by penalty shootouts.

Considering only this situation Netherlands have a bigger potential to reach a better stage to me. Belgium technically have had a really great generation but they haven't been able to take advantage of it. And the reason behind is really unbelievable. If the players didn't have personal issues between each other maybe we would have already seen Belgium winning a Euro tournament for once at least.

Yeah, but Netherlands lost both of their games in the UEFA Nations League last month. I know that UEFA Nations League is not considered as a serious competition, but they played ar home and it was for the title so I guess they gave their best to win. I'm not saying that they are a bad team, but I don't see them reaching high stage in the Euro next year. But I do think they are a better team than Belgium.

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Quote from: tygeade on July 13, 2023, 12:00:08 AM

Do they though? I get that their goalkeeper had some great saves, but would you consider him one of the best? I wouldn't. Look at their defense, do you really consider any of them as one of the best defenders? They are not top 5 in their position, none of them. They do have a decent midfield, and without Messi that midfield looks like it's just good, not great, not best, just good.

I feel like Argentina doesn't really have a great roster, they do have one of the best team chemistries in the world right now and with world cup that went up even more, they are literally a family at this point but I do not think that they are more talented than others. In any case, Messi will be there, and when you have Messi, you may end up getting a win anyway.

Well. Argentina do have the most valuable player (Lionel Messi) right now. And now coming to other players, I agree that they don't get included if we create a list of top-5 for each position (Emi Martinez IMO is one of the top-5 keepers though). But they work together fantastically as a team. At this point, Argentina has the best team bonding for any of the teams. This is something that is sorely lacking with UEFA teams like France and England. Don't get me started on the fight between Adrien Rabiot on one side and Paul Pogba and Kylian Mbappe on the other, in which some of the family members got involved.

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I am not sure if they will be as good, but they already won a world cup so I do not think that it will matter all that much. They do have a decent number of players but I do not think that they are good enough to win anything anymore, it's not just about Messi or not, you can put a 30 year old Messi into this club and it would still be hard.

It's a marvelous achievement that they won the world cup, it was definitely a great success but I do not see their team talented enough anymore, they just do not look like it to me. Maybe I am mistaken, after all they won the world cup title, so they must be good, but to me the roster itself is not that amazing, look at the roster and valuations to see what I am trying to say here.

I don't want to make a judgement based on the valuation. Anyway, at this point Argentina looks like the strongest team to me (even without Messi). It may be due to the fact that they have very good players and team bonding. Or maybe due to the fact that the other teams are in decline (especially the ones from UEFA confederation). IMO, there are no other team at the same level where Argentina is right now. I would say that Brazil and France are one level below Argentina. Take out Neymar and you will find Brazil unable to compete in a meaningful way against Argentina.

Do they though? I get that their goalkeeper had some great saves, but would you consider him one of the best? I wouldn't. Look at their defense, do you really consider any of them as one of the best defenders? They are not top 5 in their position, none of them. They do have a decent midfield, and without Messi that midfield looks like it's just good, not great, not best, just good.

I feel like Argentina doesn't really have a great roster, they do have one of the best team chemistries in the world right now and with world cup that went up even more, they are literally a family at this point but I do not think that they are more talented than others. In any case, Messi will be there, and when you have Messi, you may end up getting a win anyway.

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Quote from: rdluffy on July 11, 2023, 03:50:52 PM

Both teams, Belgium and Netherlands have a lot of similarities: great players, great structure, good results during the qualifiers, good results in the FIFA ranking, and they even manage to beat some bigger teams along the way, but there is still something missing that cannot be explained, it seems like that tradition thing, like Real Madrid does in Champions League even though they are bad during the season

I've seen Netherlands play historic games that they looked unbeatable, they've had teams that could even win the world cup, like in 1994, 1998. And Belgium too, in 2014 and 2018 I thought they could win the world title, but they didn't

Both teams can make a good euro 24 and reach at least quarter-finals

Netherlands seem a little more promising than Belgium to me to be honest. I'm saying this considering the recent performances of both teams in the most recent tournament they joined. In the last World Cup Belgium seemed really poor. They couldn't even qualify from the group stage. Netherlands made it to the quarter finals and resisted the champion Argentina really strongly by barely losing by penalty shootouts.

Considering only this situation Netherlands have a bigger potential to reach a better stage to me. Belgium technically have had a really great generation but they haven't been able to take advantage of it. And the reason behind is really unbelievable. If the players didn't have personal issues between each other maybe we would have already seen Belgium winning a Euro tournament for once at least.

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Quote from: sana54210 on July 11, 2023, 10:00:29 AM

I am not sure if they will be as good, but they already won a world cup so I do not think that it will matter all that much. They do have a decent number of players but I do not think that they are good enough to win anything anymore, it's not just about Messi or not, you can put a 30 year old Messi into this club and it would still be hard.

It's a marvelous achievement that they won the world cup, it was definitely a great success but I do not see their team talented enough anymore, they just do not look like it to me. Maybe I am mistaken, after all they won the world cup title, so they must be good, but to me the roster itself is not that amazing, look at the roster and valuations to see what I am trying to say here.

I don't want to make a judgement based on the valuation. Anyway, at this point Argentina looks like the strongest team to me (even without Messi). It may be due to the fact that they have very good players and team bonding. Or maybe due to the fact that the other teams are in decline (especially the ones from UEFA confederation). IMO, there are no other team at the same level where Argentina is right now. I would say that Brazil and France are one level below Argentina. Take out Neymar and you will find Brazil unable to compete in a meaningful way against Argentina.

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