⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers - page 344.

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Quote from: Lucius on June 30, 2023, 09:30:43 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on June 29, 2023, 10:30:47 PM

I don't know.. are you sure that you want to place Croatia ahead of England?
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This is his personal choice, and I know that he is one of the biggest fans of the Croatian national football team, at least as far as those members who are not from Croatia are concerned Wink

I personally see Croatia back at the top and I hope that it will reach at least the semi-finals, although in 1 year a lot can happen that will affect every national team. England has a strong team, but it is still a fact that Croatia beat them in 2018 despite all their arrogance and underestimating the opponent, and England did not show much in Qatar either.

Croatia has so far prepared their national team for the Euros and the upcoming World Cup.
I see the statistics of players from Croatia are increasing and there are some great young players who have joined to replace the old players who have lost their playing skills.
It is possible that at Euro 2024 Germany Croatia can be superior to England but to be able to get the title there seems to be little chance that Croatia has.

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I would put England over others aside from France, I would say it's France first, England second, Croatia third and so forth, rest could be similar because I believe one of those three will win it and rest do not have much chance. Obviously this is a tournament and anything could happen and we shouldn't really talk big about this.

If we see any team outside of that three nations win it, that would be a shock to me in the sense that I wouldn't be expecting it, but also in general any team could win any tournament with a lucky shot or a save. France however has provided a million times what good of a team they have been and I think that's quite important to remember that we are going to probably end up seeing something similar in that mindset for sure.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 29, 2023, 10:30:47 PM

I don't know.. are you sure that you want to place Croatia ahead of England?
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This is his personal choice, and I know that he is one of the biggest fans of the Croatian national football team, at least as far as those members who are not from Croatia are concerned Wink

I personally see Croatia back at the top and I hope that it will reach at least the semi-finals, although in 1 year a lot can happen that will affect every national team. England has a strong team, but it is still a fact that Croatia beat them in 2018 despite all their arrogance and underestimating the opponent, and England did not show much in Qatar either.

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Quote from: rdluffy on June 29, 2023, 02:29:02 PM

To me, the rank of the favorites are:

1 France
2 Croatia
3 Spain
4 England
5 Italy
5 Germany
5 Portugal
6 Netherlands
7 Belgium

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I don't know.. are you sure that you want to place Croatia ahead of England? Unlike some of the other posters here, I usually don't underestimate Croatia. But I still believe that at this point France and England are the two strongest teams from the UEFA confederation. I would rather place Croatia at no.3. Spain and Italy are rebuilding their teams after the retirement of their senior players, so it will take some time to catch up with the top-3. BTW, Germany is now #15 in the FIFA rankings, which is three spots below Switzerland. I would think twice before placing them with Italy.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on June 28, 2023, 11:03:45 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on June 28, 2023, 09:46:09 PM

Quote from: temple on June 28, 2023, 04:08:58 PM

This is indeed the status quo in Germany. There was a golden era that never got replaced with players of equal quality. And what you said about sticking to old players, for instance when they have been successful in the past, is a big problem that many teams have. it is difficult for coaches to make the right call at the right time when it is time for a big change because there will always be criticism from those who think that the player still deserves to play and there will be criticism from those who think it is about time to bring in younger players and give them a chance. But for Germany this is a real golden era problem and now they have issues on a lot of positions.

I guess the issue is with the local league. Have you ever wondered why France and England are so strong, despite the ongoing decline with many of the other UEFA teams? IMO, it is due to the exceptional quality of the national leagues (Ligue 1 in case of France and the English Premier League for England). During the last few years, teams like Paris Saint-Germain, Manchester United and Chelsea have poured in huge amounts of money to retain high quality players and this helps to maintain the standards. No such thing happened with the Bundesliga and the quality seems to go down with every passing year.

@Sithar007 Bundesliga is one of the most competitive league despite Bayern winning it most time’s and Ligue 1 can’t even be compared to it because it’s one of the most easy leagues to play in. Furthermore the problem with Germany was partly down to the coach as he failed to make a squad for the long term but it’s yet not too late for them and if they can yet work out a good tactical plan then they’ll definitely make a good impact once this tournament starts.

Yes, Bayern has often reigned supreme in the Bundesliga, and many contend that the path of Ligue 1 is less challenging. Yet, isn't it essential to remember that the gulf between these leagues is not as vast as it's sometimes perceived? Consider this, Bundesliga proudly stands as the third-best league worldwide, with Ligue 1 trailing not far behind in the fifth spot. Isn't it conceivable that the chasm between them is less significant than some envision?

As for Germany, the role of the coach's foresight and strategies is irrefutably pivotal. Thus, crafting a future-oriented blueprint and a sturdy tactical roadmap becomes the cornerstone of Germany's aspirations to leave a profound footprint on forthcoming tournaments.

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Quote from: fzkto on June 29, 2023, 04:40:37 AM

I believe that France will win the upcoming European Championship. They are currently the strongest team on the continent. I probably can't name any other team that can stand up to France. Maybe England, but they did poorly in the last World Cup, so I don't think they can compete with France either.

To me, the rank of the favorites are:

1 France
2 Croatia
3 Spain
4 England
5 Italy
5 Germany
5 Portugal
6 Netherlands
7 Belgium

A year in advance, this is my list, but it may change by the time the Euro starts
France is the best team without a doubt, but it depends a lot on Mbapée, without him I don't think they would be that much better than Croatia and Spain right now
I put Italy, Germany and Portugal in 5th place because I think they are at the same level. England is a little better than those 3.

I hope Scotland can qualify and make a good Euro and surprise all of us, but at the moment, even with good results on qualifiers, Scotland need to prove that is capable to play against teams above at the same level in a championship.

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I'm not worried about Germany's golden age at all. Every team have such time periods and this doesn't last forever. It is the best thing for us as well otherwise the tournaments would start to be a little boring as the same team win all the time. Here in this example Germany had really wonderful years in the past and benefited from their golden age really well. But now they are like rebuilding. There are many quite young players who are trying to get used to playing in coherence with each other.

This will take time and I don't expect them to be a very close contender for the Euro 2024 championship as well.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 28, 2023, 09:46:09 PM

Quote from: temple on June 28, 2023, 04:08:58 PM

This is indeed the status quo in Germany. There was a golden era that never got replaced with players of equal quality. And what you said about sticking to old players, for instance when they have been successful in the past, is a big problem that many teams have. it is difficult for coaches to make the right call at the right time when it is time for a big change because there will always be criticism from those who think that the player still deserves to play and there will be criticism from those who think it is about time to bring in younger players and give them a chance. But for Germany this is a real golden era problem and now they have issues on a lot of positions.

I guess the issue is with the local league. Have you ever wondered why France and England are so strong, despite the ongoing decline with many of the other UEFA teams? IMO, it is due to the exceptional quality of the national leagues (Ligue 1 in case of France and the English Premier League for England). During the last few years, teams like Paris Saint-Germain, Manchester United and Chelsea have poured in huge amounts of money to retain high quality players and this helps to maintain the standards. No such thing happened with the Bundesliga and the quality seems to go down with every passing year.

But you are mixing things up when you argue that Ligue 1 is of exceptional quality. Do you know how many players of the French national team that played the final against Argentina actually play in Ligue 1? Cheesy

Almost nobody. France is blessed right now with all those exceptional players they have, but that has nothing to do with the money that PSG is wasting on their team. But the situation can also change for worse for France in a few years. They are good to go now with what they have and Germany is having issues which can't be solved quickly.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on June 28, 2023, 11:03:45 PM

Bundesliga is one of the most competitive league despite Bayern winning it most time’s and Ligue 1 can’t even be compared to it because it’s one of the most easy leagues to play in. Furthermore the problem with Germany was partly down to the coach as he failed to make a squad for the long term but it’s yet not too late for them and if they can yet work out a good tactical plan then they’ll definitely make a good impact once this tournament starts.

That feels like a personal opinion and not really as much of a difference as you claim there is. I am not saying Bundesliga is not better, of course they are better but to say that the difference is "one of them is competitive and the other one is easiest league" is just way too much. Bundesliga is ranked third and Ligue 1 fifth, so there is only Italy between them. Like I said it's obvious that Bundesliga is better, but not as much as that.

You made it sound like Bundesliga was third and Ligue 1 was like 15th or 50th to be fair, and that's not the case as we all know it, they are just two steps down at fifth place instead. That is why I do not think that the difference is as big as everyone seems to be claiming and calling it a "farmers league" for some reason.

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Quote from: Docnaster on June 29, 2023, 03:08:36 AM

Germany's golden generation were mainly comprised of footballers that where playing in the German Bundesliga and most especially Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund players. Just few members of the golden era boys were plying their trade in other European leagues.

Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund of those days were one of the best in Europe unlike what we have today and that I think has majorly affected German football. If German national football must return to where it belongs, these big German clubs must have to be up and running in developing German players

I don't know much about the feeder system in German football. One of the reasons why Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund are not as strong as they used to be maybe due to the fact that the feeder clubs are not producing a lot of talented younger players. Demographics may also be playing its part. Germany is having one of the lowest birth rates in the world, and most of the immigrants are from countries such as Syria and Afghanistan which are not very famous for producing football superstars. And France/England do get a lot of migrants from Maghreb and Sub-Saharan Africa, which really boosts their clubs and the national team.

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I have noticed that France can't be champions in Euro tournaments since Euro 2000. The last time they did was then and after that time they made it to the finale even for only once. They actually have a squad that can win a championship next time. In Mbappe's lead they can really do a great work. After missing the chance to win a back-to-back title in the World Cup by a small margin they would surely aim the next Euro championship. They have a comfortable qualifiers group so they should be finishing it as leader.

But the real challenge will be the main tournament. There are a couple of very challenging opponents for France so their job won't be easy at all after a point.

There is many good teams over there like Spain but definitely France is one of the best teams with a lot of good players since they collected them from different nations.
Germany didn't recover yet and Italy are quite unstable right now. Croatia have a bad luck but are a threat for the others

I believe that France will win the upcoming European Championship. They are currently the strongest team on the continent. I probably can't name any other team that can stand up to France. Maybe England, but they did poorly in the last World Cup, so I don't think they can compete with France either.

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Quote from: CLS63 on June 29, 2023, 04:28:18 AM

I have noticed that France can't be champions in Euro tournaments since Euro 2000. The last time they did was then and after that time they made it to the finale even for only once. They actually have a squad that can win a championship next time. In Mbappe's lead they can really do a great work. After missing the chance to win a back-to-back title in the World Cup by a small margin they would surely aim the next Euro championship. They have a comfortable qualifiers group so they should be finishing it as leader.

But the real challenge will be the main tournament. There are a couple of very challenging opponents for France so their job won't be easy at all after a point.

There is many good teams over there like Spain but definitely France is one of the best teams with a lot of good players since they collected them from different nations.
Germany didn't recover yet and Italy are quite unstable right now. Croatia have a bad luck but are a threat for the others

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I have noticed that France can't be champions in Euro tournaments since Euro 2000. The last time they did was then and after that time they made it to the finale even for only once. They actually have a squad that can win a championship next time. In Mbappe's lead they can really do a great work. After missing the chance to win a back-to-back title in the World Cup by a small margin they would surely aim the next Euro championship. They have a comfortable qualifiers group so they should be finishing it as leader.

But the real challenge will be the main tournament. There are a couple of very challenging opponents for France so their job won't be easy at all after a point.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 28, 2023, 09:46:09 PM

Quote from: temple on June 28, 2023, 04:08:58 PM

This is indeed the status quo in Germany. There was a golden era that never got replaced with players of equal quality. And what you said about sticking to old players, for instance when they have been successful in the past, is a big problem that many teams have. it is difficult for coaches to make the right call at the right time when it is time for a big change because there will always be criticism from those who think that the player still deserves to play and there will be criticism from those who think it is about time to bring in younger players and give them a chance. But for Germany this is a real golden era problem and now they have issues on a lot of positions.

I guess the issue is with the local league. Have you ever wondered why France and England are so strong, despite the ongoing decline with many of the other UEFA teams? IMO, it is due to the exceptional quality of the national leagues (Ligue 1 in case of France and the English Premier League for England). During the last few years, teams like Paris Saint-Germain, Manchester United and Chelsea have poured in huge amounts of money to retain high quality players and this helps to maintain the standards. No such thing happened with the Bundesliga and the quality seems to go down with every passing year.

Germany's golden generation were mainly comprised of footballers that where playing in the German Bundesliga and most especially Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund players. Just few members of the golden era boys were plying their trade in other European leagues.

Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund of those days were one of the best in Europe unlike what we have today and that I think has majorly affected German football. If German national football must return to where it belongs, these big German clubs must have to be up and running in developing German players

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 28, 2023, 09:46:09 PM

Quote from: temple on June 28, 2023, 04:08:58 PM

This is indeed the status quo in Germany. There was a golden era that never got replaced with players of equal quality. And what you said about sticking to old players, for instance when they have been successful in the past, is a big problem that many teams have. it is difficult for coaches to make the right call at the right time when it is time for a big change because there will always be criticism from those who think that the player still deserves to play and there will be criticism from those who think it is about time to bring in younger players and give them a chance. But for Germany this is a real golden era problem and now they have issues on a lot of positions.

I guess the issue is with the local league. Have you ever wondered why France and England are so strong, despite the ongoing decline with many of the other UEFA teams? IMO, it is due to the exceptional quality of the national leagues (Ligue 1 in case of France and the English Premier League for England). During the last few years, teams like Paris Saint-Germain, Manchester United and Chelsea have poured in huge amounts of money to retain high quality players and this helps to maintain the standards. No such thing happened with the Bundesliga and the quality seems to go down with every passing year.

Ligue 1 is not giving a lot of great players to France,most of them are playing in the other top 4 leagues of Europe while England is of course the strongest league as almost all their players of the England national team play in the Premier League.The same can be said for Germany,Italy and Spain and they are both strong teams,France is the one who not all their best players play in their national league so Ligue 1 is far from being a strong one except Paris team which has a huge budget and has got a lot of great players with them.

Germany has always been a strong team and this time I think we will see a different Germany in the Euro 2024,a one playing in front of their fans will surely go further than last couple of International competitions.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 28, 2023, 09:46:09 PM

Quote from: temple on June 28, 2023, 04:08:58 PM

This is indeed the status quo in Germany. There was a golden era that never got replaced with players of equal quality. And what you said about sticking to old players, for instance when they have been successful in the past, is a big problem that many teams have. it is difficult for coaches to make the right call at the right time when it is time for a big change because there will always be criticism from those who think that the player still deserves to play and there will be criticism from those who think it is about time to bring in younger players and give them a chance. But for Germany this is a real golden era problem and now they have issues on a lot of positions.

I guess the issue is with the local league. Have you ever wondered why France and England are so strong, despite the ongoing decline with many of the other UEFA teams? IMO, it is due to the exceptional quality of the national leagues (Ligue 1 in case of France and the English Premier League for England). During the last few years, teams like Paris Saint-Germain, Manchester United and Chelsea have poured in huge amounts of money to retain high quality players and this helps to maintain the standards. No such thing happened with the Bundesliga and the quality seems to go down with every passing year.

@Sithar007 Bundesliga is one of the most competitive league despite Bayern winning it most time’s and Ligue 1 can’t even be compared to it because it’s one of the most easy leagues to play in. Furthermore the problem with Germany was partly down to the coach as he failed to make a squad for the long term but it’s yet not too late for them and if they can yet work out a good tactical plan then they’ll definitely make a good impact once this tournament starts.

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Quote from: temple on June 28, 2023, 04:08:58 PM

This is indeed the status quo in Germany. There was a golden era that never got replaced with players of equal quality. And what you said about sticking to old players, for instance when they have been successful in the past, is a big problem that many teams have. it is difficult for coaches to make the right call at the right time when it is time for a big change because there will always be criticism from those who think that the player still deserves to play and there will be criticism from those who think it is about time to bring in younger players and give them a chance. But for Germany this is a real golden era problem and now they have issues on a lot of positions.

I guess the issue is with the local league. Have you ever wondered why France and England are so strong, despite the ongoing decline with many of the other UEFA teams? IMO, it is due to the exceptional quality of the national leagues (Ligue 1 in case of France and the English Premier League for England). During the last few years, teams like Paris Saint-Germain, Manchester United and Chelsea have poured in huge amounts of money to retain high quality players and this helps to maintain the standards. No such thing happened with the Bundesliga and the quality seems to go down with every passing year.

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Quote from: sana54210 on June 28, 2023, 01:10:50 PM

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Germany repeated the bad results that happened four years earlier, because when in Russia they also failed to qualify from the group phase, surprisingly enough in 4 years they did not change, so after they managed to become World Cup champions for the fourth time actually 2 consecutive World Cups they got quite embarrassing results.
It seems that they as tournament specialist no longer exists in a German team that used to perform quite well in every major tournament of football, despite not being champions but we will rarely see them fail in the group phase because at least the quarter-finals, semi-finals and final are their venues.
In this European Cup they will be expected to experience changes and achieve better results than those obtained in the World Cup.

That is what happens when you have a golden era and players are all at around the same age and they play well and then they all get old together and they become not so great. New players are not as great as the ones they had a decade ago or so, and that means they are not going to be as great. Also another problem with having that type of talent back in the day, you do not need younger players, you end up using the same players so younger ones do not develop that well.

I believe that they will get a lot better soon, in a few tournaments they will be great again, by 2030 world cup they should be amazing, because they lack that talent so they will give all the chances to younger players who deserve it and that will make them better eventually.

This is indeed the status quo in Germany. There was a golden era that never got replaced with players of equal quality. And what you said about sticking to old players, for instance when they have been successful in the past, is a big problem that many teams have. it is difficult for coaches to make the right call at the right time when it is time for a big change because there will always be criticism from those who think that the player still deserves to play and there will be criticism from those who think it is about time to bring in younger players and give them a chance. But for Germany this is a real golden era problem and now they have issues on a lot of positions.

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Quote from: Strongkored on June 28, 2023, 08:52:40 AM

Germany repeated the bad results that happened four years earlier, because when in Russia they also failed to qualify from the group phase, surprisingly enough in 4 years they did not change, so after they managed to become World Cup champions for the fourth time actually 2 consecutive World Cups they got quite embarrassing results.
It seems that they as tournament specialist no longer exists in a German team that used to perform quite well in every major tournament of football, despite not being champions but we will rarely see them fail in the group phase because at least the quarter-finals, semi-finals and final are their venues.
In this European Cup they will be expected to experience changes and achieve better results than those obtained in the World Cup.

That is what happens when you have a golden era and players are all at around the same age and they play well and then they all get old together and they become not so great. New players are not as great as the ones they had a decade ago or so, and that means they are not going to be as great. Also another problem with having that type of talent back in the day, you do not need younger players, you end up using the same players so younger ones do not develop that well.

I believe that they will get a lot better soon, in a few tournaments they will be great again, by 2030 world cup they should be amazing, because they lack that talent so they will give all the chances to younger players who deserve it and that will make them better eventually.

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Quote from: slackovic on June 28, 2023, 02:51:28 AM

I think that the biggest problem for England is that their players are not playing "for the team" when they are playing for the national team. There is a lot of great players in their national team, but you can't have a great national team if you don't have players that get along with each other. I'm not saying that they are fighting among themselves, but I have a feeling that they give their best while playing for their clubs, but not while playing for the national team. And I think that is the reason why they haven't won any title recently.

Yeah agree, I am also following this team for the decades and never understand their problem even they have the best players and their strategy is also never been bad, but they have never been able to have results as expected while they are playing for their clubs they have much more energy but in national team they never play with this heart and energy which give them better results.

Even now we can't talk about this need changes in domestic or any other level, but one thing is sure they need to change mind-set hopefully this will help them for having better results in big events, or they need to go through with their national team to play against domestic clubs as well which will give them better understanding and change in strategy which is important for them.

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