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Quote from: beerlover on July 06, 2023, 10:25:08 AM

They used to be a bit better but they were never a team that had any chance to win euro cup to be fair. When was the last time you saw Norway as the top three team to win any euro or world cup ever? I do not remember that happening anytime in the past, maybe it has happened back before I was alive, that is a possibility but I do not think that they were ever that great. So, with Haaland now on the field, they are still not that great and can't really make that much difference.

I would guess they will win "some" games, but they are not going to win it all, I do not see even a semi-finals for them neither, the very best ever they could hope for is a good draw against weaker teams hopefully, otherwise maybe not even qualify for it as well.

I don't expect Norway to win major FIFA/UEFA competitions such as Euro cup. I don't even expect them to reach the semi-final stage of the Euro Cup. But the fact that they are struggling to even qualify for the main event is a concern for me. And it is so unfair to Erling Håland. But then, Norway is a small country of just 4 million people and they should be proud of whatever they have achieved so far. Anyway, for the current competition, the chances that Norway would be able to qualify are very slim. In all probability, it will be Spain and Scotland who will finish at no.1 and no.2 in Group A.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 05, 2023, 10:39:10 PM

Quote from: hahay on July 05, 2023, 11:53:40 AM

Yes indeed, after all Haaland is a great player which of course will make Haaland more closely guarded by opposing defenders. Therefore, it will make opposing defenders prioritize stopping Haaland's movements. So yes, from this style of play, then of course teamwork is very much needed and other Norwegian players cannot always depend solely on Haaland's skills and abilities. Also, with this result it seems that it will still be difficult for Norway to qualify, because so far Norway has only gotten four points from the four matches that have been played.

Being dependent on a single player doesn't always work well. And we have seen this in the case of teams like Portugal, Belgium and even for smaller teams like North Macedonia and Wales. But then, Norway is a very small country and the national league (Eliteserien) is not very popular. Recent downturn in their performance can be attributed to the overall decline due to smaller player pool. Norway is a country that is rapidly ageing, much like Danmark, Germany and Italy. And unlike France and England, they don't have a large migrant population who can inject fresh blood to the national team.

They used to be a bit better but they were never a team that had any chance to win euro cup to be fair. When was the last time you saw Norway as the top three team to win any euro or world cup ever? I do not remember that happening anytime in the past, maybe it has happened back before I was alive, that is a possibility but I do not think that they were ever that great. So, with Haaland now on the field, they are still not that great and can't really make that much difference.

I would guess they will win "some" games, but they are not going to win it all, I do not see even a semi-finals for them neither, the very best ever they could hope for is a good draw against weaker teams hopefully, otherwise maybe not even qualify for it as well.

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Quote from: hahay on July 05, 2023, 11:53:40 AM

Yes indeed, after all Haaland is a great player which of course will make Haaland more closely guarded by opposing defenders. Therefore, it will make opposing defenders prioritize stopping Haaland's movements. So yes, from this style of play, then of course teamwork is very much needed and other Norwegian players cannot always depend solely on Haaland's skills and abilities. Also, with this result it seems that it will still be difficult for Norway to qualify, because so far Norway has only gotten four points from the four matches that have been played.

Being dependent on a single player doesn't always work well. And we have seen this in the case of teams like Portugal, Belgium and even for smaller teams like North Macedonia and Wales. But then, Norway is a very small country and the national league (Eliteserien) is not very popular. Recent downturn in their performance can be attributed to the overall decline due to smaller player pool. Norway is a country that is rapidly ageing, much like Danmark, Germany and Italy. And unlike France and England, they don't have a large migrant population who can inject fresh blood to the national team.

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Quote from: FanEagle on July 05, 2023, 04:12:33 AM

You can't just win games with Haaland, I mean sure he is a good player but at the end of the day we are not going to see a lot of them all the time, it's just not going to work that well. We need to realize that we are going to end up with some trouble in the end if we keep this up and that's going to end up with a terrible result if we do not know what we are going to do.

I understand that Haaland is great but if you keep giving him the ball and expect him to score then it is going to end up with a loss. Sure he missed some games but the team sucks if that's their only plan, he might be good but he needs a decent team with him in order to win something, without him winning anything at all then we are not going to see a good result.

Yes indeed, after all Haaland is a great player which of course will make Haaland more closely guarded by opposing defenders. Therefore, it will make opposing defenders prioritize stopping Haaland's movements. So yes, from this style of play, then of course teamwork is very much needed and other Norwegian players cannot always depend solely on Haaland's skills and abilities. Also, with this result it seems that it will still be difficult for Norway to qualify, because so far Norway has only gotten four points from the four matches that have been played.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on July 05, 2023, 08:29:44 AM

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To me, the rank of the favorites are:

1 France
2 Croatia
3 Spain
4 England
5 Italy
5 Germany
5 Portugal
6 Netherlands
7 Belgium

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I don't know.. are you sure that you want to place Croatia ahead of England? Unlike some of the other posters here, I usually don't underestimate Croatia. But I still believe that at this point France and England are the two strongest teams from the UEFA confederation. I would rather place Croatia at no.3. Spain and Italy are rebuilding their teams after the retirement of their senior players, so it will take some time to catch up with the top-3. BTW, Germany is now #15 in the FIFA rankings, which is three spots below Switzerland. I would think twice before placing them with Italy.

Croatia has become a team that has made a name for itself with its magnificent successes in recent years. They deserve to be in second place after France. Still, there is no big difference between them and England. England has better players from time to time. Also, Croatia has an older cast. After a few years, they can be an average team. Considering all these, England can take place in the ranking after France.

Honestly, in my opinion, the top 5 national teams have equal chances to become the new champions of Europe, with a slight advantage for France.
Spain has a very young team, and England has not yet shown its quality and so far they are unable to go all the way and finally win a trophy.
It seems to me that Germany is undeservedly high on this list, and I think that Croatia now has the necessary experience and knowledge to finally win a trophy.
I also have no confidence in the possibilities of the Netherlands and Belgium.

@Daniel91 Belgium and Netherlands have such a rich diversified squad of player’s and yet they struggle to compete and I just can’t understand why they’re unable to make use of their player’s. Furthermore I see nothing wrong with Croatia being placed second because they have shown that hunger to win and thus I expect them to compete fearlessly in the future too.

The ranked is based on latest performance of the teams in their latest games,this means that Belgium and Netherlands have not played that well otherwise they would be in better places,Croatia has been on the increase in their performance in games but they have a really big minus and that is the age of the squad,the super stars of Croatia are quite old in age compared to most of other teams and may be this will be their last Euro they will play together,last chance for this golden generation of Croatia to bring a so much desired title in the country.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on July 05, 2023, 07:40:42 AM

Quote from: W Jr. on July 04, 2023, 05:59:38 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on June 29, 2023, 10:30:47 PM

Quote from: rdluffy on June 29, 2023, 02:29:02 PM

To me, the rank of the favorites are:

1 France
2 Croatia
3 Spain
4 England
5 Italy
5 Germany
5 Portugal
6 Netherlands
7 Belgium

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I don't know.. are you sure that you want to place Croatia ahead of England? Unlike some of the other posters here, I usually don't underestimate Croatia. But I still believe that at this point France and England are the two strongest teams from the UEFA confederation. I would rather place Croatia at no.3. Spain and Italy are rebuilding their teams after the retirement of their senior players, so it will take some time to catch up with the top-3. BTW, Germany is now #15 in the FIFA rankings, which is three spots below Switzerland. I would think twice before placing them with Italy.

Croatia has become a team that has made a name for itself with its magnificent successes in recent years. They deserve to be in second place after France. Still, there is no big difference between them and England. England has better players from time to time. Also, Croatia has an older cast. After a few years, they can be an average team. Considering all these, England can take place in the ranking after France.

Honestly, in my opinion, the top 5 national teams have equal chances to become the new champions of Europe, with a slight advantage for France.
Spain has a very young team, and England has not yet shown its quality and so far they are unable to go all the way and finally win a trophy.
It seems to me that Germany is undeservedly high on this list, and I think that Croatia now has the necessary experience and knowledge to finally win a trophy.
I also have no confidence in the possibilities of the Netherlands and Belgium.

@Daniel91 Belgium and Netherlands have such a rich diversified squad of player’s and yet they struggle to compete and I just can’t understand why they’re unable to make use of their player’s. Furthermore I see nothing wrong with Croatia being placed second because they have shown that hunger to win and thus I expect them to compete fearlessly in the future too.

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Quote from: W Jr. on July 04, 2023, 05:59:38 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on June 29, 2023, 10:30:47 PM

Quote from: rdluffy on June 29, 2023, 02:29:02 PM

To me, the rank of the favorites are:

1 France
2 Croatia
3 Spain
4 England
5 Italy
5 Germany
5 Portugal
6 Netherlands
7 Belgium

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I don't know.. are you sure that you want to place Croatia ahead of England? Unlike some of the other posters here, I usually don't underestimate Croatia. But I still believe that at this point France and England are the two strongest teams from the UEFA confederation. I would rather place Croatia at no.3. Spain and Italy are rebuilding their teams after the retirement of their senior players, so it will take some time to catch up with the top-3. BTW, Germany is now #15 in the FIFA rankings, which is three spots below Switzerland. I would think twice before placing them with Italy.

Croatia has become a team that has made a name for itself with its magnificent successes in recent years. They deserve to be in second place after France. Still, there is no big difference between them and England. England has better players from time to time. Also, Croatia has an older cast. After a few years, they can be an average team. Considering all these, England can take place in the ranking after France.

Honestly, in my opinion, the top 5 national teams have equal chances to become the new champions of Europe, with a slight advantage for France.
Spain has a very young team, and England has not yet shown its quality and so far they are unable to go all the way and finally win a trophy.
It seems to me that Germany is undeservedly high on this list, and I think that Croatia now has the necessary experience and knowledge to finally win a trophy.
I also have no confidence in the possibilities of the Netherlands and Belgium.

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Quote from: ampere on July 04, 2023, 05:34:00 AM

to be fair; theres not much anyone can blame Haaland for; Yes Haaland is an important factor in the Norway squad; but there's so little he can do without struggling tbh. It is up to the Norwegian coach to find a talent blend that would help the national team and also Haaland to imitate his clubside goal scoring form and that way Norway can play event better and nick a European competition spot.

It's difficult to hang all hopes on one player, especially when compared to how he performs at the club, because of course it's different, at the club he gets teammates who can provide good assists so he can execute them perfectly into goals but in the national team where he rarely plays together it takes time to be able to immediately compact with one another.
We can also see a lot of star players who can't do much when they play for tournaments between countries, Lewandowski is one of them, Kevin de Bruyn when playing for Belgium looks weaker than when he was at Manchester City, so if Norway doesn't manage to qualify then that's it not entirely Haaland's fault but because they really weren't good enough when competing with other countries in that group.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 03, 2023, 10:34:57 PM

Group F: Sweden (one win out of three matches)
Group J: Iceland (one win out of four matches)

Sweden are far away from their look in the past for sure. In their times with Zlatan they were much stronger than this. They were a team that showed a really solid resistance in many matches. But now they are trying to find themselves again. Actually there are really talented players in the squad especially in the midfield and offense area. But most of these players are really young now so this generation might need some time to have a good affect on their results.

When it comes to Iceland I still remember how great they were in Euro 2016.

They made it to the quarter finals by even eliminating a very strong team like England. Those times they were really strong in defense and their strategy was working very well. But they aren't a consistent team of course and we don't see the same ambition anymore either.

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You can't just win games with Haaland, I mean sure he is a good player but at the end of the day we are not going to see a lot of them all the time, it's just not going to work that well. We need to realize that we are going to end up with some trouble in the end if we keep this up and that's going to end up with a terrible result if we do not know what we are going to do.

I understand that Haaland is great but if you keep giving him the ball and expect him to score then it is going to end up with a loss. Sure he missed some games but the team sucks if that's their only plan, he might be good but he needs a decent team with him in order to win something, without him winning anything at all then we are not going to see a good result.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on July 04, 2023, 12:34:41 AM

Its so strange for Norway to be this much unsuccessful in that weak group. And I agree with that post, they have many above average players that would even make countries like Germany jealous. I felt like they are literally the biggest disappointment. I don't think they will be able to fix it anymore cause Scotland showed extraordinary good performance and I am pretty sure they will hit first or second rank in this group along with Spain. (Spain will be better - don't worry)

While Spain takes the first place, Scotland will be the team that will pass the tour from the second place. The fact that Norway has not been successful despite having great players shows that they are not completely a team. They also have great forwards like Haaland, but when team harmony cannot be achieved, he can become ineffective.

Not sure about Spain's first place because Scotland is already in good position, and they can give same performance in second round as well, but things can go into either way but surely big disappointment for the Norway because they are better than any average team, but miserably they fail to give their best and now on verge of losing spot for the event few very exciting players and performance is not as par requirement is surely wired situation for them.

We have this problem in many other countries and clubs as well but sadly no one able to settled and have teams like Norway in better position they need to work on this on long run because they have potential for the better results in coming years as well.

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I would bet 100% Spain will beat Cyprus because there's no reason for Cyprus to put all of their effort as they wouldn't able to qualify for the next round.

There is no 100% in international football. Spain will be the favorites, but there is no guarantee that they will be able to defeat Cyprus. In the past Cyprus had managed to defeat some of the stronger teams. And right now Spain is a shadow of what they were a decade ago. They are still rebuilding their team and during the first phase of the qualifiers they went down against Scotland (2-0, with Scott McTominay scoring both the goals). Scotland may finish at no.1 and Spain maybe relegated to no.2. But they need to be careful because Norway can always create some upsets.

All of a sudden the Spain team changed several players and the team turned into an erratic team which we have seen in other tournaments including the World Cup. But recently Spain has picked itself up. Spain recently won the UEFA Nations League trophy against Croatia. Now this team can be called favorite in any tournament. Spain is undoubtedly a favorite against Cyprus. And I am hopeful that the result of this match will go in Spain's favour. Although nothing can be said for sure but the result of this match seems to me to go in favor of Spain.

Scotland is in a good position at the moment. They have a chance to finish this round at number one position in the table. I hope Spain will not make any mistakes in this regard.

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Quote from: Despairo on July 04, 2023, 04:38:33 AM

I would bet 100% Spain will beat Cyprus because there's no reason for Cyprus to put all of their effort as they wouldn't able to qualify for the next round.

There is no 100% in international football. Spain will be the favorites, but there is no guarantee that they will be able to defeat Cyprus. In the past Cyprus had managed to defeat some of the stronger teams. And right now Spain is a shadow of what they were a decade ago. They are still rebuilding their team and during the first phase of the qualifiers they went down against Scotland (2-0, with Scott McTominay scoring both the goals). Scotland may finish at no.1 and Spain maybe relegated to no.2. But they need to be careful because Norway can always create some upsets.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 03, 2023, 10:34:57 PM

I was looking at the points table and came up with a list of teams that can be considered as the biggest disappointments:

Group A: Norway (so far won just 1 out of their total 4 matches)
Group F: Sweden (one win out of three matches)
Group G: Bulgaria (no wins from four matches)
Group J: Bosnia (one win out of four matches)
Group J: Iceland (one win out of four matches)

I am not adding Italy, Netherlands and Spain to this list, because they haven't played a large number of matches till now.

Talking about Norway this team has been failed to regeneration their squad because last time they were playing at big tournament on Euro 2000 and since that seems Norway status is only as underdog and at Euro qualification or World cup qualification matches Norway always be end up with dissappoint results and actually this year Norway has promising squad because for defender they have Kristoffer Ajer who playing at Brentford, for midfielder they have Martin Odegaard from Arsenal and for forward lines everybody knows Norway has Haaland but seems these players cannot able to make Norway to performing well and just like i said before i think Norway will be failed to play at Euro 2024 remains their position who already lose twice and only get draw result from weak team Georgia

Its so strange for Norway to be this much unsuccessful in that weak group. And I agree with that post, they have many above average players that would even make countries like Germany jealous. I felt like they are literally the biggest disappointment. I don't think they will be able to fix it anymore cause Scotland showed extraordinary good performance and I am pretty sure they will hit first or second rank in this group along with Spain. (Spain will be better - don't worry)

While Spain takes the first place, Scotland will be the team that will pass the tour from the second place. The fact that Norway has not been successful despite having great players shows that they are not completely a team. They also have great forwards like Haaland, but when team harmony cannot be achieved, he can become ineffective.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 29, 2023, 10:30:47 PM

Quote from: rdluffy on June 29, 2023, 02:29:02 PM

To me, the rank of the favorites are:

1 France
2 Croatia
3 Spain
4 England
5 Italy
5 Germany
5 Portugal
6 Netherlands
7 Belgium

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I don't know.. are you sure that you want to place Croatia ahead of England? Unlike some of the other posters here, I usually don't underestimate Croatia. But I still believe that at this point France and England are the two strongest teams from the UEFA confederation. I would rather place Croatia at no.3. Spain and Italy are rebuilding their teams after the retirement of their senior players, so it will take some time to catch up with the top-3. BTW, Germany is now #15 in the FIFA rankings, which is three spots below Switzerland. I would think twice before placing them with Italy.

Croatia has become a team that has made a name for itself with its magnificent successes in recent years. They deserve to be in second place after France. Still, there is no big difference between them and England. England has better players from time to time. Also, Croatia has an older cast. After a few years, they can be an average team. Considering all these, England can take place in the ranking after France.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on July 04, 2023, 04:13:54 AM

Norway are absolutely a big disappointment. But Haaland's absence in the first two matches is also an important factor in their not collecting more points than this. Maybe Spain would have still won against them. But Georgia was an opponent that they could have beaten. After Haaland's return to the team he has directly made a significant effect. He scored 3 goals in 2 matches. However it was only enough to beat Cyprus. They were the favourite side against Scotland significantly but they lost home to them.

Norway just need to improve their team effort more if they want to qualify for Euro 2024. Of course Haaland should be the target player. But for example their defending must be improved now. There is no match in which they didn't concede a goal so far.

to be fair; theres not much anyone can blame Haaland for; Yes Haaland is an important factor in the Norway squad; but there's so little he can do without struggling tbh. It is up to the Norwegian coach to find a talent blend that would help the national team and also Haaland to imitate his clubside goal scoring form and that way Norway can play event better and nick a European competition spot.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on July 04, 2023, 04:13:54 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 03, 2023, 10:34:57 PM

I was looking at the points table and came up with a list of teams that can be considered as the biggest disappointments:

Group A: Norway (so far won just 1 out of their total 4 matches)
Group F: Sweden (one win out of three matches)
Group G: Bulgaria (no wins from four matches)
Group J: Bosnia (one win out of four matches)
Group J: Iceland (one win out of four matches)

I am not adding Italy, Netherlands and Spain to this list, because they haven't played a large number of matches till now.

Norway are absolutely a big disappointment. But Haaland's absence in the first two matches is also an important factor in their not collecting more points than this. Maybe Spain would have still won against them. But Georgia was an opponent that they could have beaten. After Haaland's return to the team he has directly made a significant effect. He scored 3 goals in 2 matches. However it was only enough to beat Cyprus. They were the favourite side against Scotland significantly but they lost home to them.

Norway just need to improve their team effort more if they want to qualify for Euro 2024. Of course Haaland should be the target player. But for example their defending must be improved now. There is no match in which they didn't concede a goal so far.

Haaland must ensure Norway qualifies to the 2024 Euro if he will be consider a great player, he has to carry the team to a competitive Tournament before we can put him he the Goat debate. Norway has good players now than before that are playing in EURO big clubs. so they have no excuse not to qualify in this group.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 04, 2023, 12:54:09 AM

But even if they win that match, Spain can easily overtake them to become no.2 in the group. For Spain there are two matches in the next phase - against Georgia and Cyprus.

I would bet 100% Spain will beat Cyprus because there's no reason for Cyprus to put all of their effort as they wouldn't able to qualify for the next round.

Quote from: Pulsar77 on July 04, 2023, 04:13:54 AM

Norway just need to improve their team effort more if they want to qualify for Euro 2024. Of course Haaland should be the target player. But for example their defending must be improved now. There is no match in which they didn't concede a goal so far.

Norway lack of good players, they only depends on few players, but this is a modern football and where team play is better than individual skill. There's no more like Didier Drogba solo carrying Ivory Coast in World Cup.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 03, 2023, 10:34:57 PM

I was looking at the points table and came up with a list of teams that can be considered as the biggest disappointments:

Group A: Norway (so far won just 1 out of their total 4 matches)
Group F: Sweden (one win out of three matches)
Group G: Bulgaria (no wins from four matches)
Group J: Bosnia (one win out of four matches)
Group J: Iceland (one win out of four matches)

I am not adding Italy, Netherlands and Spain to this list, because they haven't played a large number of matches till now.

Norway are absolutely a big disappointment. But Haaland's absence in the first two matches is also an important factor in their not collecting more points than this. Maybe Spain would have still won against them. But Georgia was an opponent that they could have beaten. After Haaland's return to the team he has directly made a significant effect. He scored 3 goals in 2 matches. However it was only enough to beat Cyprus. They were the favourite side against Scotland significantly but they lost home to them.

Norway just need to improve their team effort more if they want to qualify for Euro 2024. Of course Haaland should be the target player. But for example their defending must be improved now. There is no match in which they didn't concede a goal so far.

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Quote from: tusandii on July 04, 2023, 01:08:07 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 03, 2023, 10:34:57 PM

I was looking at the points table and came up with a list of teams that can be considered as the biggest disappointments:

Group A: Norway (so far won just 1 out of their total 4 matches)
Group F: Sweden (one win out of three matches)
Group G: Bulgaria (no wins from four matches)
Group J: Bosnia (one win out of four matches)
Group J: Iceland (one win out of four matches)

I am not adding Italy, Netherlands and Spain to this list, because they haven't played a large number of matches till now.

Italy, Netherlands and Spain are actually very strong teams for the Euros and of course these three teams can have more wins than some of the teams on your list.
The Euros are always won by big and strong national teams so that from the very beginning of the qualifying rounds we have been able to see more wins that can be achieved by other strong teams.
From group G, Bulgaria became a very sad team because they couldn't have one win in 4 matches and this could be the start of proving that Bulgaria would easily be eliminated in the German Euro 2024 cup.

I think that Italy is coming back after they failed to qualify for the last World Cup. They were in the Nations League final four where they may have lost to Spain in the semi-final game but who knows how it would end if Spain didn't score their second goal few minutes before the end.

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