⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers - page 397.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 01, 2023, 09:24:17 PM

Well.. we both have different way of interpreting stuff. France doesn't represent entire Europe. Within UEFA, there are teams like France and Spain which are booming with talent, and at the same time there are teams (Germany, Netherlands, Belgium.etc) which are getting stagnated. A total of 24 teams will be taking part in Euro 2024 (same as last year). And not all of these teams would be competitive against stronger teams like France. Look at what happened during Euro 2020. Teams like Turkey, Slovakia and Russia were involved in some one-sided matches where they lost by large margins.

I would guess that even teams that are "stagnant" like Netherlands or Germany would have a field day during euro cup because all the other teams are still lower than them. Sure France will be the best team going in, but it is not like we are talking about Slovenia or Slovakia or whatever to end up being the winners, or even having that much win.

It's clear that Euro is fun, not as fun as world cup to be fair, Argentina definitely proved that by winning the world cup and showing Europe does not have the best teams, but that doesn't change the fact that we are still going to see the soccer center of the world to have a play against each other and that should be fun to watch.

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Quote from: slackovic on February 28, 2023, 02:58:40 AM

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The French are in a better position if we look at the younger players. They have Kylian Mbappé (24), Ousmane Dembélé (25), Randal Kolo Muani (24), Marcus Thuram (25), Ibrahima Konaté (23) and Aurélien Tchouaméni (23). None of the other European teams have this many talented younger players. And in case of France, they have an ideal mix of young and experienced players, with Olivier Giroud, Hugo Lloris, Steve Mandanda and Karim Benzema comprising the second group. They will be one of the favorites to win Euro 2024, but let's see how it works out for them in the end.

This is the reason I like Euro tournament more than the World Cup. There is much bigger concentration of good teams and there is never a strong favorite. Looking at the French players that you mentioned someone would say that they are a strong favorite. But there are other European nations that can beat France. Even Croatia who is never a strong favorite to win a title in Euro or World Cup managed to beat France.

Well.. we both have different way of interpreting stuff. France doesn't represent entire Europe. Within UEFA, there are teams like France and Spain which are booming with talent, and at the same time there are teams (Germany, Netherlands, Belgium.etc) which are getting stagnated. A total of 24 teams will be taking part in Euro 2024 (same as last year). And not all of these teams would be competitive against stronger teams like France. Look at what happened during Euro 2020. Teams like Turkey, Slovakia and Russia were involved in some one-sided matches where they lost by large margins.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 27, 2023, 10:30:14 PM

The French are in a better position if we look at the younger players. They have Kylian Mbappé (24), Ousmane Dembélé (25), Randal Kolo Muani (24), Marcus Thuram (25), Ibrahima Konaté (23) and Aurélien Tchouaméni (23). None of the other European teams have this many talented younger players. And in case of France, they have an ideal mix of young and experienced players, with Olivier Giroud, Hugo Lloris, Steve Mandanda and Karim Benzema comprising the second group. They will be one of the favorites to win Euro 2024, but let's see how it works out for them in the end.

This is the reason I like Euro tournament more than the World Cup. There is much bigger concentration of good teams and there is never a strong favorite. Looking at the French players that you mentioned someone would say that they are a strong favorite. But there are other European nations that can beat France. Even Croatia who is never a strong favorite to win a title in Euro or World Cup managed to beat France.

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Quote from: Oneandpure on February 26, 2023, 09:40:51 AM

France still missing to be the winner in UEFA Euro after longer time on 2022 and the best edition on Euro 2016 after lead to final stage before beating by Portugal. But France have good achievement in FIFA World Cup after last two edition success lead to final stage and last edition failed after losing from Argentina.

I have bigger percentage with France get good achievement in Euro 2024 Germany because left one years and team dominance by young players make them easy than other national teams have build it with senior player.

The French are in a better position if we look at the younger players. They have Kylian Mbappé (24), Ousmane Dembélé (25), Randal Kolo Muani (24), Marcus Thuram (25), Ibrahima Konaté (23) and Aurélien Tchouaméni (23). None of the other European teams have this many talented younger players. And in case of France, they have an ideal mix of young and experienced players, with Olivier Giroud, Hugo Lloris, Steve Mandanda and Karim Benzema comprising the second group. They will be one of the favorites to win Euro 2024, but let's see how it works out for them in the end.

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 25, 2023, 04:09:16 PM

I would like to know what results the French team should achieve so that you consider this a good achievement. Win several World Cups and European Championships in a row? This is, to put it mildly, a rare event (to win the Euro and the World in a row) and does not at all indicate the weakness of the team. In addition, there is no limit to perfection and you can say about any team that they could perform better. For example, there are also questions for the Golden Generation of Spain Wink

France still missing to be the winner in UEFA Euro after longer time on 2022 and the best edition on Euro 2016 after lead to final stage before beating by Portugal. But France have good achievement in FIFA World Cup after last two edition success lead to final stage and last edition failed after losing from Argentina.

I have bigger percentage with France get good achievement in Euro 2024 Germany because left one years and team dominance by young players make them easy than other national teams have build it with senior player.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on February 26, 2023, 08:41:10 AM

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I would like to know what results the French team should achieve so that you consider this a good achievement. Win several World Cups and European Championships in a row? This is, to put it mildly, a rare event (to win the Euro and the World in a row) and does not at all indicate the weakness of the team. In addition, there is no limit to perfection and you can say about any team that they could perform better. For example, there are also questions for the Golden Generation of Spain Wink

Spain's golden generation was twice European champion and once world champion in the period 2008-2012.
This generation of France, in terms of player names and individual quality, is the strongest French national team in history, at the level of that Spanish national team, but they won much less than them, only one title.
At the last European Championship, the players came quarreling with each other and played very poorly, disappointingly losing out already in the round of 16 against Switzerland.
At the European Championship before that in France, they lost in the final against Portugal.
At this World Cup in Qatar, the players again came to quarrel with each other, with a big conflict between Benzema and other players and in the end they failed to win the trophy again.
Spain's golden generation was united and without internal conflicts, and because of that they managed to win three trophies in a row, although in terms of quality they may have been even weaker than this French national team.

Silver of the World Cup 2022, Gold 2018, Silver of the European Championship 2016, Gold of the League of Nations 2021. It seems to me that the team that consistently reaches the finals of the largest competitions is extremely good.
The fact that they weren't 100% successful in the finals is a fact, but they can't win all the time, can they? Spain also gave not always convincing victories (favorite score 1-0) and won games in penalty shootouts (against Portugal, Italy), but short tournaments are such (and randomly) that someone sometimes achieves 100% of the result.

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 25, 2023, 04:09:16 PM

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I can agree with this.
The French national team already has a long tradition of disagreements and conflicts in the team, such as this latest conflict with Benzema at the World Cup in Qatar.
Because of this, they did not achieve the results they could, considering the great individual quality of their players.
At the last European championship, they were very bad precisely because of the big conflict between the players, which reflected on the whole team.
France may have the best players in the world, but they don't have a team and that's their problem.

I would like to know what results the French team should achieve so that you consider this a good achievement. Win several World Cups and European Championships in a row? This is, to put it mildly, a rare event (to win the Euro and the World in a row) and does not at all indicate the weakness of the team. In addition, there is no limit to perfection and you can say about any team that they could perform better. For example, there are also questions for the Golden Generation of Spain Wink

Spain's golden generation was twice European champion and once world champion in the period 2008-2012.
This generation of France, in terms of player names and individual quality, is the strongest French national team in history, at the level of that Spanish national team, but they won much less than them, only one title.
At the last European Championship, the players came quarreling with each other and played very poorly, disappointingly losing out already in the round of 16 against Switzerland.
At the European Championship before that in France, they lost in the final against Portugal.
At this World Cup in Qatar, the players again came to quarrel with each other, with a big conflict between Benzema and other players and in the end they failed to win the trophy again.
Spain's golden generation was united and without internal conflicts, and because of that they managed to win three trophies in a row, although in terms of quality they may have been even weaker than this French national team.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on February 25, 2023, 10:02:53 AM

I can agree with this.
The French national team already has a long tradition of disagreements and conflicts in the team, such as this latest conflict with Benzema at the World Cup in Qatar.
Because of this, they did not achieve the results they could, considering the great individual quality of their players.
At the last European championship, they were very bad precisely because of the big conflict between the players, which reflected on the whole team.
France may have the best players in the world, but they don't have a team and that's their problem.

I would like to know what results the French team should achieve so that you consider this a good achievement. Win several World Cups and European Championships in a row? This is, to put it mildly, a rare event (to win the Euro and the World in a row) and does not at all indicate the weakness of the team. In addition, there is no limit to perfection and you can say about any team that they could perform better. For example, there are also questions for the Golden Generation of Spain Wink

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 22, 2023, 09:33:34 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 22, 2023, 12:28:13 PM

After the previous World Cup, everyone thought that France would be at least among the winners of the next Euro, but in the end they lost right away in the 1/8 finals. Such short tournaments are always random, but the fact is that we are now in an era of French dominance and they will be the biggest favorites to win the European Championship.

I am not sure whether the French will be the favorites to win Euro 2024. I could see a lot of vulnerabilities in their performance during Qatar 2022. IMO, Spain and England are far better teams, although they couldn't perform well during the last world cup. Regarding France, I always had this opinion that their players are overrated. Kylian Mbappé, Paul Pogba and Karim Benzema are good players and maybe some of the best in the world. But they don't know how to play as a team and the team cohesion is lacking in the French team whenever they play.

I can agree with this.
The French national team already has a long tradition of disagreements and conflicts in the team, such as this latest conflict with Benzema at the World Cup in Qatar.
Because of this, they did not achieve the results they could, considering the great individual quality of their players.
At the last European championship, they were very bad precisely because of the big conflict between the players, which reflected on the whole team.
France may have the best players in the world, but they don't have a team and that's their problem.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 24, 2023, 08:46:58 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 23, 2023, 04:16:21 PM

I don't know where you get such subjective observations from, in my opinion (also subjective) the French team plays very unitedly. Spain, England (and Germany and defending champions Italy) are good teams, but objectively France is doing better and, judging by the individuality of the players, they are also stronger. In my opinion, France looks better both in terms of names and in terms of play.

I can't agree with your observations. French team had all sort of problems when they played during the last Euro Cup. And then the spat went out in public, as the parents of the players were fighting it out in the open. I don't know how much the situation has changed after that, but even during the Qatar edition of the world cup last year, I couldn't find a lot of improvement in team bonding and cohesion. There seems to be a lot of ego issues between the different players, and time and again it comes to the surface in a very ugly way.

These are all subjective arguments, there are just as many scandals, intrigues and other things in small teams, but who cares about them because these are small teams, and all attention is focused on tops like France. For example, the story of Valbuena and Benzema did not prevent France from becoming World Champions and taking silver from the European Championship. Ego, squabbling and competition is normal - we are talking about the top level and without it it is impossible, here the competition is aggravated to the limit in every sense. At the same time, France consistently shows high results despite the loss of any players (Pogba, Benzema, etc.).

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 23, 2023, 04:16:21 PM

I don't know where you get such subjective observations from, in my opinion (also subjective) the French team plays very unitedly. Spain, England (and Germany and defending champions Italy) are good teams, but objectively France is doing better and, judging by the individuality of the players, they are also stronger. In my opinion, France looks better both in terms of names and in terms of play.

I can't agree with your observations. French team had all sort of problems when they played during the last Euro Cup. And then the spat went out in public, as the parents of the players were fighting it out in the open. I don't know how much the situation has changed after that, but even during the Qatar edition of the world cup last year, I couldn't find a lot of improvement in team bonding and cohesion. There seems to be a lot of ego issues between the different players, and time and again it comes to the surface in a very ugly way.

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 22, 2023, 12:28:13 PM

After the previous World Cup, everyone thought that France would be at least among the winners of the next Euro, but in the end they lost right away in the 1/8 finals. Such short tournaments are always random, but the fact is that we are now in an era of French dominance and they will be the biggest favorites to win the European Championship.

I am not sure whether the French will be the favorites to win Euro 2024. I could see a lot of vulnerabilities in their performance during Qatar 2022. IMO, Spain and England are far better teams, although they couldn't perform well during the last world cup. Regarding France, I always had this opinion that their players are overrated. Kylian Mbappé, Paul Pogba and Karim Benzema are good players and maybe some of the best in the world. But they don't know how to play as a team and the team cohesion is lacking in the French team whenever they play.

I don't know where you get such subjective observations from, in my opinion (also subjective) the French team plays very unitedly. Spain, England (and Germany and defending champions Italy) are good teams, but objectively France is doing better and, judging by the individuality of the players, they are also stronger. In my opinion, France looks better both in terms of names and in terms of play.

There is no need to discuss about favorites or which is a better team between the top teams in Europe. All of those teams have what it takes to win the title and it doesn't matter which team is 5% better when one red card or one penalty in the game can decide the winner and send another team home. That's the beauty of this kind of competition where every team has to give their best performance in every game.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 22, 2023, 09:33:34 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 22, 2023, 12:28:13 PM

After the previous World Cup, everyone thought that France would be at least among the winners of the next Euro, but in the end they lost right away in the 1/8 finals. Such short tournaments are always random, but the fact is that we are now in an era of French dominance and they will be the biggest favorites to win the European Championship.

I am not sure whether the French will be the favorites to win Euro 2024. I could see a lot of vulnerabilities in their performance during Qatar 2022. IMO, Spain and England are far better teams, although they couldn't perform well during the last world cup. Regarding France, I always had this opinion that their players are overrated. Kylian Mbappé, Paul Pogba and Karim Benzema are good players and maybe some of the best in the world. But they don't know how to play as a team and the team cohesion is lacking in the French team whenever they play.

I don't know where you get such subjective observations from, in my opinion (also subjective) the French team plays very unitedly. Spain, England (and Germany and defending champions Italy) are good teams, but objectively France is doing better and, judging by the individuality of the players, they are also stronger. In my opinion, France looks better both in terms of names and in terms of play.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 22, 2023, 09:33:34 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 22, 2023, 12:28:13 PM

After the previous World Cup, everyone thought that France would be at least among the winners of the next Euro, but in the end they lost right away in the 1/8 finals. Such short tournaments are always random, but the fact is that we are now in an era of French dominance and they will be the biggest favorites to win the European Championship.

I am not sure whether the French will be the favorites to win Euro 2024. I could see a lot of vulnerabilities in their performance during Qatar 2022. IMO, Spain and England are far better teams, although they couldn't perform well during the last world cup. Regarding France, I always had this opinion that their players are overrated. Kylian Mbappé, Paul Pogba and Karim Benzema are good players and maybe some of the best in the world. But they don't know how to play as a team and the team cohesion is lacking in the French team whenever they play.

The guys who almost won the World Cup just a few months ago and lost because of the penalty shootout, have some vulnerabilities? I mean sure they might, but I am sure that it must be less than any other team if you ask me, they are still by far the best team in Europe, which they proved just a few months ago and not too long ago, and in 1.5 years time, they won't be having too much changes neither.

They won't even need Benzema in this case, because they would have Mbappe playing striker and that is more than enough for them. They have so many amazingly talented players and that is good enough for them in the long run, can't see any better team right now.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 22, 2023, 09:33:34 PM

I am not sure whether the French will be the favorites to win Euro 2024. I could see a lot of vulnerabilities in their performance during Qatar 2022. IMO, Spain and England are far better teams, although they couldn't perform well during the last world cup. Regarding France, I always had this opinion that their players are overrated. Kylian Mbappé, Paul Pogba and Karim Benzema are good players and maybe some of the best in the world. But they don't know how to play as a team and the team cohesion is lacking in the French team whenever they play.

I don't like talking about favorites because they tend to disappoint. Look at what happened to Brazil at the last World Cup in Qatar. France definitely has what it takes to win the title. But I agree that Spain and England may be slightly better teams. It's just that I don't like England and their "it's coming home". It's annoying. They are repeating that same phrase in every championship and then they get kicked out.

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 22, 2023, 12:28:13 PM

After the previous World Cup, everyone thought that France would be at least among the winners of the next Euro, but in the end they lost right away in the 1/8 finals. Such short tournaments are always random, but the fact is that we are now in an era of French dominance and they will be the biggest favorites to win the European Championship.

I am not sure whether the French will be the favorites to win Euro 2024. I could see a lot of vulnerabilities in their performance during Qatar 2022. IMO, Spain and England are far better teams, although they couldn't perform well during the last world cup. Regarding France, I always had this opinion that their players are overrated. Kylian Mbappé, Paul Pogba and Karim Benzema are good players and maybe some of the best in the world. But they don't know how to play as a team and the team cohesion is lacking in the French team whenever they play.

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 22, 2023, 12:28:13 PM

Quote from: slackovic on February 22, 2023, 03:13:48 AM

I really don't believe that Germany has what it takes to win the UEFA Euro 2024 title. It can happen because surprises are always a part of every competition like this. But there are a lot of better teams that will compete. Teams like Spain, Portugal, France... They all seem much better than Germany at this time.

After the previous World Cup, everyone thought that France would be at least among the winners of the next Euro, but in the end they lost right away in the 1/8 finals. Such short tournaments are always random, but the fact is that we are now in an era of French dominance and they will be the biggest favorites to win the European Championship.

Let's say they are random to a certain degree. The last big surprise where it was really random was when Greece won the Euro in 2004. Other than that it is mostly the favorites who win it, but saying that one team is going to win it for sure is not possible. That is where it becomes random. Just as the Euro 2020 you mentioned when France was 3:1 ahead of Switzerland until the 81st minute, nobody in his right mind thought that 50 minutes later after a penalty shootout Switzerland would be in the 1/4 finals. But that is why we all love the sport and especially games where different nations play against each other. By now there are almost no easy games anymore. I remember that even Iceland was hard to beat and they have 375k inhabitants. At the Euro 2016, guess what happened. They were one goal down against England in the 1/8 final and turned it around in regular time, but then lost against France in the 1/4 final.

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Quote from: slackovic on February 22, 2023, 03:13:48 AM

I really don't believe that Germany has what it takes to win the UEFA Euro 2024 title. It can happen because surprises are always a part of every competition like this. But there are a lot of better teams that will compete. Teams like Spain, Portugal, France... They all seem much better than Germany at this time.

After the previous World Cup, everyone thought that France would be at least among the winners of the next Euro, but in the end they lost right away in the 1/8 finals. Such short tournaments are always random, but the fact is that we are now in an era of French dominance and they will be the biggest favorites to win the European Championship.

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Quote from: slackovic on February 22, 2023, 03:13:48 AM

Quote from: Rabi3 on February 20, 2023, 06:27:45 PM

anywas, I'm going to expect a lot from teams that failed to perform good in the World Cup, or even didn't qualify like Italy, Netherlands, Spain, Italy, Portugal...etc i have doubts on Germany though, i don't think playing in their home country will get them the trophy, they need more than that, i was not impressed at all with their world cup performance and i didn't see something in them that could make things different in Euro 2024.

I really don't believe that Germany has what it takes to win the UEFA Euro 2024 title. It can happen because surprises are always a part of every competition like this. But there are a lot of better teams that will compete. Teams like Spain, Portugal, France... They all seem much better than Germany at this time.

I have to agree with this and it is not really clear to me what has been happening with the German national team for the last 10 years. Practically since the 2014 world cup, when they were world champions, they have not achieved any notable results at world and European competitions.
On the other hand, the German league is still strong and German clubs play a prominent role in European club competitions.
They even played a very good game against Spain at the world cup, but they were definitely disappointing against Japan.
Could this string of poor results at major competitions finally be reversed at next year's European Championship? We'll see, but I'm not optimistic.

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Quote from: Rabi3 on February 20, 2023, 06:27:45 PM

anywas, I'm going to expect a lot from teams that failed to perform good in the World Cup, or even didn't qualify like Italy, Netherlands, Spain, Italy, Portugal...etc i have doubts on Germany though, i don't think playing in their home country will get them the trophy, they need more than that, i was not impressed at all with their world cup performance and i didn't see something in them that could make things different in Euro 2024.

I really don't believe that Germany has what it takes to win the UEFA Euro 2024 title. It can happen because surprises are always a part of every competition like this. But there are a lot of better teams that will compete. Teams like Spain, Portugal, France... They all seem much better than Germany at this time.

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