UEFA Europa League 2022/23 Season - page 337.

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Quote from: maju69 on December 24, 2022, 08:01:13 AM

It is very natural when you see the favorites to win the Europa League from the status of the "big" team they have. I think everyone will do the same when 2 teams meet between a popular team and a not so popular team even though they are playing very well in the domestic league. In the end, they are the ones who decide for themselves whether favorite status can bring them victory or not.

The Frankfurt win of last year should be on minds of everyone else. We have seen some "big" clubs last year, even Barcelona was there again just like this year, and yet Frankfurt ended up winning.

This is a cup that people nicknamed "sevillas cup" for a reason, because they won it more than anyone else, even though UCL teams drop to Europa all the time. So that should tell you how being a big club doesn't matter when you are in Europa, one bad game and you would be gone, one unlucky ball bounce and you are back at home watching rest of the tournament. This is why it's quite important to remind these big clubs to put %100 into this if they want to win it.

Frankfurt has always played good football. All the players in their team play football with their responsibility to the maximum which is why their club has progressed so far. If they perform well like this, I hope they will become a good club in the future.

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Quote from: maju69 on December 24, 2022, 08:01:13 AM

It is very natural when you see the favorites to win the Europa League from the status of the "big" team they have. I think everyone will do the same when 2 teams meet between a popular team and a not so popular team even though they are playing very well in the domestic league. In the end, they are the ones who decide for themselves whether favorite status can bring them victory or not.

The Frankfurt win of last year should be on minds of everyone else. We have seen some "big" clubs last year, even Barcelona was there again just like this year, and yet Frankfurt ended up winning.

This is a cup that people nicknamed "sevillas cup" for a reason, because they won it more than anyone else, even though UCL teams drop to Europa all the time. So that should tell you how being a big club doesn't matter when you are in Europa, one bad game and you would be gone, one unlucky ball bounce and you are back at home watching rest of the tournament. This is why it's quite important to remind these big clubs to put %100 into this if they want to win it.

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I don't expect too much from Midtjylland honestly. Their huge victory over Lazio shouldn't be misleading. I think it was just due to Lazio's not focusing on that match most probably. In addition to that, Lazio had their revenge on them by a 2-1 victory in Italy later on. Grin

Midtjylland has dramatic win in the last match on group F from Sturm which makes they qualified to playoff matches and they will faced Sporting CP on February and on the paper Sporting indeed should be able to beat them because Midtjylland not in the good shape even they cannot performing well at their domestic league but because Midtjylland has experience to beat strong team such as Lazio before i think Sporting should be carefull for this record especially during europa league matches Midtjylland quite strong at home and so far they were unbeatable for home matches

Lazio often play unstable... No matter how many times I've tried to analyse their games I've never been able to experience success in betting with them... Grin

Of recent opponents it was Midtjylland, Feyenord, Salarentina... Even the last match against Almeria ended with Lazio losing 2-0... With such a game they will not succeed in the Eurocups... Although they are probably one of the strongest clubs in the Conference League right now...

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Quote from: Rockstarguy on December 24, 2022, 11:08:52 AM

Reason why people are thinking that Barcelona and Arsenal have chance of winning the europa league it because they have good squad that are very consistent. Arsenal is leading in the EPL and Barcelona is leading in laliga , this makes people believe this two teams have the chance to be at the top of europa.

The real reason that gives Arsenal a big chance to win the Europa League is because they are serious about getting this competition title. look, how Arteta has said on several occasions that he is targeting two titles this season namely, the Premier League and Europa League. for this reason, Arteta has prepared long ago to realize their mission. even though currently the Gunners have a problem with one of their core players who is injured, it does not dampen their mission to continue to target the title of this competition.

On the other hand, after Barcelona slipped in the Champions League. Xavi confirmed during his interview in front of many sports media, that he would make up for his failure in the Champions League by targeting the Europa League and La Liga trophies. However, Barcelona's journey will not be easy. the reason is simple, as we all know. to get into the last 16 of the Europa league, Barcelona must overthrow Manchester United in the playoffs later. So, can Barcelona make it happen. let's wait, until this fight is held.

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Quote from: Docnaster on December 24, 2022, 01:26:44 PM

Quote from: rozak on December 23, 2022, 10:57:14 PM

Quote from: martyns on December 23, 2022, 08:40:39 PM

It is the culture of Barcelona to always build their team on one player,and this is very bad.If you look back at those days when Messi was in Barcelona,you saw how it was,that Barca a finds it difficult to win games without Lionel Messi in the team,and he was everything to them.If they will win that match,it solely depended on him,and when a coach builds his team around one particular person, then you are exposing the weakness of that team to other teams because they will try as much as they could to mark only that player out, and the moment they succeed in that, there is every tendency that they will win you.
This is what is happening again, and if Xavi does not sign a young and vibrant attacker to help cover for Lewa's absence, it will be very disastrous to the team.

Real Madrid couldn't do without Ronaldo, Bayern Munich without Thomas Muller is questionable (let me not mention Lewandowsky), Manchester United couldn't do without Rooney, and Liverpool's match without Steven Gerald seems vulnerable. but it doesn't mean that these aforementioned clubs build their team on those players only. Even in the education sector, a particular student's absence may discourage a teacher. If a team can hardly exempt a particular player in nearly all their matches, it doesn't mean they are building the team on him, it means that in every match, such a player possesses something special needed by the team, and so was messi's case in Barcelona.

You are actually right. Each club's success has been attributed to a particular player. They may not be playing for their club now but their achievements will never be forgotten. One of which is Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi. Football fans around the world will never forget the kind of titles that these two Real Madrid and Barcelona have contributed to.

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Quote from: rozak on December 23, 2022, 10:57:14 PM

Quote from: martyns on December 23, 2022, 08:40:39 PM

It is the culture of Barcelona to always build their team on one player,and this is very bad.If you look back at those days when Messi was in Barcelona,you saw how it was,that Barca a finds it difficult to win games without Lionel Messi in the team,and he was everything to them.If they will win that match,it solely depended on him,and when a coach builds his team around one particular person, then you are exposing the weakness of that team to other teams because they will try as much as they could to mark only that player out, and the moment they succeed in that, there is every tendency that they will win you.
This is what is happening again, and if Xavi does not sign a young and vibrant attacker to help cover for Lewa's absence, it will be very disastrous to the team.

Real Madrid couldn't do without Ronaldo, Bayern Munich without Thomas Muller is questionable (let me not mention Lewandowsky), Manchester United couldn't do without Rooney, and Liverpool's match without Steven Gerald seems vulnerable. but it doesn't mean that these aforementioned clubs build their team on those players only. Even in the education sector, a particular student's absence may discourage a teacher. If a team can hardly exempt a particular player in nearly all their matches, it doesn't mean they are building the team on him, it means that in every match, such a player possesses something special needed by the team, and so was messi's case in Barcelona.

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Quote from: Rockstarguy on December 24, 2022, 11:08:52 AM

Reason why people are thinking that Barcelona and Arsenal have chance of winning the europa league it because they have good squad that are very consistent. Arsenal is leading in the EPL and Barcelona is leading in laliga , this makes people believe this two teams have the chance to be at the top of europa.

I agree about this, but the difference is that this is the European League, which we know that it is rare for big clubs to maximize their chances of becoming champions here. I'm starting to think if it's not that big clubs are interested in winning the Europa League? We can see that in the list of Europa League winners in the last few seasons. In fact, at the same time the European League is also always followed by big clubs.
If they are serious about competing in the Europa League this season, I can say that Arsenal, Barcelona and Manchester United could be the favorites (Manchester United and Barcelona must beat each other in the Play Offs first). But if they are too serious about winning trophies here, maybe they will be eliminated quickly.

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Quote from: Docnaster on December 23, 2022, 01:04:18 PM

Barcelona vs Manchester United match has now become the main object of Europa League discussion. But I still have little fear for clubs like PSV, Roma, bayern leverkusen, midtjylland and Monaco. This clubs are doing well in their league but their chances of winning their league is much quite narrow compared to their chances of winning the Europa League, for that they might show much more curiosity in winning Europa league matches than clubs like Barcelona and Arsenal. Therefore one should not underrate them in Europa league matches.

I think that just because barcelona and arsenal have big name and then you will be underestimated another club like think barcelona will be winning europa league easily. don't you remember once barcelona has also become favourite team last season but frankfurt was beating it easily?
I think that even arsenal didn't have big chance to win this trophy easily. The arsenal was not capable to win caused by there are so many underrated team play in europa league. PSV was doing very well in the domestic league.

Reason why people are thinking that Barcelona and Arsenal have chance of winning the europa league it because they have good squad that are very consistent. Arsenal is leading in the EPL and Barcelona is leading in laliga , this makes people believe this two teams have the chance to be at the top of europa.

It is very unfortunate that they have drawn against each other. For supporters and the neutral football fan it is great to already see this match between Barcelona and Manchester United. Juventus could also go a long way. But you are also very dependent on the draw of course. If you have a tough draw, you could theoretically hit all the top teams competing. There are also a few outsiders such as Ajax, who have performed quite well in the CL in recent years. Team seems to have been bought out and they have not been able to handle the transfers properly. Sevilla is also still active, but what can we expect from that team after underperforming in the national competition?

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Quote from: X-ray on December 23, 2022, 10:49:05 PM

Quote from: Docnaster on December 23, 2022, 01:04:18 PM

Barcelona vs Manchester United match has now become the main object of Europa League discussion. But I still have little fear for clubs like PSV, Roma, bayern leverkusen, midtjylland and Monaco. This clubs are doing well in their league but their chances of winning their league is much quite narrow compared to their chances of winning the Europa League, for that they might show much more curiosity in winning Europa league matches than clubs like Barcelona and Arsenal. Therefore one should not underrate them in Europa league matches.

I think that just because barcelona and arsenal have big name and then you will be underestimated another club like think barcelona will be winning europa league easily. don't you remember once barcelona has also become favourite team last season but frankfurt was beating it easily?
I think that even arsenal didn't have big chance to win this trophy easily. The arsenal was not capable to win caused by there are so many underrated team play in europa league. PSV was doing very well in the domestic league.

Reason why people are thinking that Barcelona and Arsenal have chance of winning the europa league it because they have good squad that are very consistent. Arsenal is leading in the EPL and Barcelona is leading in laliga , this makes people believe this two teams have the chance to be at the top of europa.

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Quote from: martyns on December 23, 2022, 08:40:39 PM

It is the culture of Barcelona to always build their team on one player,and this is very bad.If you look back at those days when Messi was in Barcelona,you saw how it was,that Barca a finds it difficult to win games without Lionel Messi in the team,and he was everything to them.If they will win that match,it solely depended on him,and when a coach builds his team around one particular person,then you are exposing the weakness of that team to other teams because they will try as much as they could to mark only that player out,and the moment they succeed in that,there is every tendency that they will win you.
This is what is happening again,and if Xavi do not sign a young and vibrant attacker to help cover for Lewa's absence,it will be very disastrous to the team.

The fact that all the PR went to one player does not mean that Barcelona built the game around one player. The golden time of Barcelona is the time when the game was built on Xavi, Iniesta and some other players, and Messi was easily replaced (in the Spanish national team, his role was easily played by Villa). Now Lewandowski is really the main star in Barcelona, but I'm not sure that this is a one-man team.

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Quote from: martyns on December 23, 2022, 08:40:39 PM

It is the culture of Barcelona to always build their team on one player,and this is very bad.If you look back at those days when Messi was in Barcelona,you saw how it was,that Barca a finds it difficult to win games without Lionel Messi in the team,and he was everything to them.If they will win that match,it solely depended on him,and when a coach builds his team around one particular person,then you are exposing the weakness of that team to other teams because they will try as much as they could to mark only that player out,and the moment they succeed in that,there is every tendency that they will win you.
This is what is happening again,and if Xavi do not sign a young and vibrant attacker to help cover for Lewa's absence,it will be very disastrous to the team.

I've seen how the condition of Barcelona was when Lionel Messi was still there. But in this case, in my opinion, it is also not worth equating the potential and abilities of Lionel Messi with Lewandowski, even though the age difference is very slight, but when Xavi only relies on Lewandowski this season, the results will be very different when Barcelona have depended on Lionel Messi in the past.

So it would be very good if Xavi wants to recruit other talented young players to be placed in Barcelona's attack line so that the Barcelona team can recover more quickly this season and start next season very extraordinary.

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Quote from: Distraction on December 23, 2022, 01:40:27 PM

I don't expect too much from Midtjylland honestly. Their huge victory over Lazio shouldn't be misleading. I think it was just due to Lazio's not focusing on that match most probably. In addition to that, Lazio had their revenge on them by a 2-1 victory in Italy later on. Grin

Midtjylland has dramatic win in the last match on group F from Sturm which makes they qualified to playoff matches and they will faced Sporting CP on February and on the paper Sporting indeed should be able to beat them because Midtjylland not in the good shape even they cannot performing well at their domestic league but because Midtjylland has experience to beat strong team such as Lazio before i think Sporting should be carefull for this record especially during europa league matches Midtjylland quite strong at home and so far they were unbeatable for home matches

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Quote from: X-ray on December 23, 2022, 10:49:05 PM

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Barcelona vs Manchester United match has now become the main object of Europa League discussion. But I still have little fear for clubs like PSV, Roma, bayern leverkusen, midtjylland and Monaco. This clubs are doing well in their league but their chances of winning their league is much quite narrow compared to their chances of winning the Europa League, for that they might show much more curiosity in winning Europa league matches than clubs like Barcelona and Arsenal. Therefore one should not underrate them in Europa league matches.

I think that just because barcelona and arsenal have big name and then you will be underestimated another club like think barcelona will be winning europa league easily. don't you remember once barcelona has also become favourite team last season but frankfurt was beating it easily?
I think that even arsenal didn't have big chance to win this trophy easily. The arsenal was not capable to win caused by there are so many underrated team play in europa league. PSV was doing very well in the domestic league.

It is very natural when you see the favorites to win the Europa League from the status of the "big" team they have. I think everyone will do the same when 2 teams meet between a popular team and a not so popular team even though they are playing very well in the domestic league. In the end, they are the ones who decide for themselves whether favorite status can bring them victory or not.

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Quote from: rozak on December 23, 2022, 10:57:14 PM

I don't think so. Messi when at Barca had the incredible support of a strong Barca midfield. there is Iniesta who commands all the ball flow forward or when they defend.
it's a football game. nothing hinges on one player. Xavi is now really thinking about how their team will get even stronger, even without Lewandowski.

When Messi gets older, he adapts to changes of his body and change his playing style too.

Messi has great vision that makes him is suitable for play maker position and it is not what all atracking players can do. Messi debuted his career at right swing but later player in middle as a virtual striker. In recent years he is more like a play maker and magically at all positions, he still plays well.

In World Cup 2022, he is a leader of Argentina and not only scored goals for them but he controlled match intensity for them, motivated other players and contributed assists for them too.

Xavi no doubt, is obsessed of tiki taka so that he really wants to direct Barcelona to tiki taka as much as he can.

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Quote from: martyns on December 23, 2022, 08:40:39 PM

It is the culture of Barcelona to always build their team on one player,and this is very bad.If you look back at those days when Messi was in Barcelona,you saw how it was,that Barca a finds it difficult to win games without Lionel Messi in the team,and he was everything to them.If they will win that match,it solely depended on him,and when a coach builds his team around one particular person,then you are exposing the weakness of that team to other teams because they will try as much as they could to mark only that player out,and the moment they succeed in that,there is every tendency that they will win you.
This is what is happening again,and if Xavi do not sign a young and vibrant attacker to help cover for Lewa's absence,it will be very disastrous to the team.

I don't think so. Messi when at Barca had the incredible support of a strong Barca midfield. there is Iniesta who commands all the ball flow forward or when they defend.
it's a football game. nothing hinges on one player. Xavi is now really thinking about how their team will get even stronger, even without Lewandowski.

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Quote from: Docnaster on December 23, 2022, 01:04:18 PM

Barcelona vs Manchester United match has now become the main object of Europa League discussion. But I still have little fear for clubs like PSV, Roma, bayern leverkusen, midtjylland and Monaco. This clubs are doing well in their league but their chances of winning their league is much quite narrow compared to their chances of winning the Europa League, for that they might show much more curiosity in winning Europa league matches than clubs like Barcelona and Arsenal. Therefore one should not underrate them in Europa league matches.

I think that just because barcelona and arsenal have big name and then you will be underestimated another club like think barcelona will be winning europa league easily. don't you remember once barcelona has also become favourite team last season but frankfurt was beating it easily?
I think that even arsenal didn't have big chance to win this trophy easily. The arsenal was not capable to win caused by there are so many underrated team play in europa league. PSV was doing very well in the domestic league.

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So far this season, Barcelona's performance without Robert Lewandowsky ends in a draw or loss. This is good evidence that as it stands now FC Barcelona's squad needs another vibrant central attacker that is capable of covering up for Robert Lewandowski. Is true that Lewandowsky hardly goes on injury, but considering his age now I think the club shouldn't depend completely on him as this may be so unhealthy to their performance likewise result.

It's really not good if a team only depends on an old player, because the team must always run better in the future so seeing and depending on more players is a better option than just depending on one player even though already have very good experience in possession of the ball. But that wasn't enough for the team because the team's target was to win every game and celebrate when they got the trophy at the end of the league.

It is the culture of Barcelona to always build their team on one player,and this is very bad.If you look back at those days when Messi was in Barcelona,you saw how it was,that Barca a finds it difficult to win games without Lionel Messi in the team,and he was everything to them.If they will win that match,it solely depended on him,and when a coach builds his team around one particular person,then you are exposing the weakness of that team to other teams because they will try as much as they could to mark only that player out,and the moment they succeed in that,there is every tendency that they will win you.
This is what is happening again,and if Xavi do not sign a young and vibrant attacker to help cover for Lewa's absence,it will be very disastrous to the team.

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Quote from: swogerino on December 22, 2022, 10:38:38 AM

I think Barcelona will win against Manchester United and now that Cristiano left for the stubbornness of Ten Haag,the coach who wanted to make himself famous by not making Cristiano play (but history will remember Cristiano and no one will remember Ten Haag) is not going to be a big threat to Barcelona now,their attack lacks compared to that of Barcelona which has Lewandowski which is a true goal machine.

Manchester winning against Burnley does not show anything good from them as Burnley plays a category below Premier League and despite leading that category it has conceded goals in most of their games.Now I can bet easily on Barcelona to qualify further and I am sure I will win my bet.

Even if christaino Ronaldo is still in Manchester United I don't think if it will make any difference, because before he left the club he was not playing for Manchester United frequently, I can't say christiano Ronaldo is the reason for Manchester United wins in this season. If Manchester United and Barcelona should meet I know it won't be easy because this teams are big teams and they both have quality players. The game will be tough, but Barcelona may likely win the game.

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Barcelona vs Manchester United match has now become the main object of Europa League discussion. But I still have little fear for clubs like PSV, Roma, bayern leverkusen, midtjylland and Monaco. These clubs are doing well in their league but their chances of winning their league is much quite narrow compared to their chances of winning the Europa League, for that they might show much more curiosity in winning Europa league matches than clubs like Barcelona and Arsenal. Therefore one should not underrate them in Europa league matches.

Yes such teams allways pose a threat just like frankfurt did last season and shocked the world by winning europa league with just average players so barcelona and man united need to be carefull i think any of the teams you metioned could pose a threat especially psv, monaco and leverkusen, roma performance has been quite poor this season but they have mourinho as a coach which with his experience can do wonders.

The biggest weakness of the Barcelona team right now is their midfield and some deficiencies in defense. If the team leaders add some good midfielders and defense teams then hopefully Barcelona team will be very strong.

You are right, I think they are working on it. The sports report I saw this evening tells they are currently on a move toward Juan Foyth. Foyth was also a part of Argentina’s World Cup-winning squad in Qatar. He plays as a right-back defender. I think his presence would solve half of the defensive errors that normally take place in Barcelona, though their main challenge now is a good central defender who is capable of coordinating the other defense wall.

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Barcelona has the potential to win the tournament, but so does Manchester United. Both are roughly equivalent to each other. Playing home or away has little value for Barcelona at the moment. Last year it went completely wrong in the last game against Frankfurt. There is a good chance that the winner of this tournament will reach the final, although you do depend on the draw of this tournament. The strongest opponents can just be drawn against each other. It's kinda fun and fair. Protected statuses should also not be used for such tournaments.

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