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Quote from: SatoPrincess on December 05, 2022, 04:26:16 PM

The era where La liga teams always beat English teams in European competitions is gradually coming to an end, because English teams are becoming stronger and evolving in their performances every season and I must say that it is a joy to watch. It will also be an opportunity once more to see Manchester United and Liverpool competing in the Champions league when the season resumes, we shall see which side will dominate in the game.

I agree here now things are change drastically with English teams are having better quality and strategy with most of the La Liga teams are struggling badly which is ending their dominance against English teams, and they are on back foot which is surely poor for them Just Real Madrid and Barcelona are having some worth to fight but in most cases these are also not strong enough to handle things with Manchester City, Chelsea and Arsenal are having better squads and quality for competing into European Competitions.

In February, we have tough match between Manchester United and Barcelona with most chances we will have chance that Manchester United will qualify for the next round because right now Barcelona is giving priority to La Liga instead of European Competitions but still it's not going to be easy game for the both teams with Manchester United is also having few problems which needs quick response from them to solve.

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Barcelona is not yet balanced that is why they are not able to win big clubs but that doesn't make them to be weak team. Barcelona is still better than Manchester United in performance, Barcelona is in a better position in laliga while Manchester United is still struggling to be at the top.

we won't know which team is the best right now (whether it's barca or MU) until we see the two teams meet, manchester united is in a good change under the control of ten hag, reportedly they are still trying to get kim min jae in the next transfer market

when the matches in the European league start again, I'm sure both teams will already have strong ammunition to compete and become the strongest team in the European league

They will definitely make thorough preparations before this match is actually held. Even though this is the second caste competition after the Champions League, I am very sure they don't want to be embarrassed by their opponents, especially since this will be a meeting between 2 big clubs in La Liga and the Premier League. Both clubs will definitely maintain their authority and do not want to lose.
From the strengths of the two clubs that I have seen so far, they still have weaknesses that can be exploited, because these two clubs cannot be said to be mature clubs because of the bad situation they lived in last season, even this season Manchester United have not really come out. from that situation.
Regarding the results of the match, I still need to see their game after this break because it is possible that there will be very significant changes shown by Manchester United and Barcelona.

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Quote from: bitgolden on December 05, 2022, 07:33:06 AM

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Manchester United's performance in the group stage was really good? I don't think so. Although Manchester United won 5 out of 6 matches. But they have to fight hard to win every match. Even against comparatively weaker teams, they cannot dominate the match. If they can't dominate against weak teams, how can Manchester United win against big teams like Barcelona or Arsenal?
However, whether the Manchester United team is worthy of winning the title will be proved in their upcoming matches. Manchester United will undoubtedly become favorites to win the Europa League if they beat Barcelona.

I would say if you won 5 out of 6, no matter how you played, that should be considered as you played good and that's enough. I know it is not going to be that much convincing to just say that, but at the same time it doesn't need to be convincing, it just needs to be as good as possible for them to be there.
In the end, United will face Barcelona and they are a great team so they could of course end up losing to Barcelona, that's understandable, but that wouldn't mean that they were bad so far, they were amazing in europa and played very well. Sure some of the teams were weaker and it was harder than it suppose to, but they got the win in the end anyway.

Personally I don't like Manchester United's performance. They won though. But their performance was not satisfactory. I was not happy with their performance as they could not dominate even against a weaker team.

As they will play against Barcelona in the next match, it will be very difficult for them to win this match. If United could dominate every game in the group stage, I'd say they'd be able to beat Barcelona too. Besides, Manchester United's performance in the Premier League is not good. United is quite weak compared to Barcelona. And so I don't think United will be able to win against Barcelona.

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Quote from: Gosgosking on December 05, 2022, 08:27:55 AM

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Barcelona is not yet balanced that is why they are not able to win big clubs but that doesn't make them to be weak team. Barcelona is still better than Manchester United in performance, Barcelona is in a better position in laliga while Manchester United is still struggling to be at the top.

we won't know which team is the best right now (whether it's barca or MU) until we see the two teams meet, manchester united is in a good change under the control of ten hag, reportedly they are still trying to get kim min jae in the next transfer market

when the matches in the European league start again, I'm sure both teams will already have strong ammunition to compete and become the strongest team in the European league

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Quote from: arimamib on December 05, 2022, 12:53:32 PM

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Barcelona is not yet balanced that is why they are not able to win big clubs but that doesn't make them to be weak team. Barcelona is still better than Manchester United in performance, Barcelona is in a better position in laliga while Manchester United is still struggling to be at the top.

We cannot compare the EPL and La Liga in any way because in terms of competition, the EPL is clearly much tougher than La Liga, where there are only a few clubs that are definitely on top each season.
This competition will still continue but when looking at the schedule it's still quite long I can't make any assumptions now because indeed we only have to see after the league restarts whether they are able or not to remain consistent.

Do you realize that when EPL teams meet La Liga teams in European competition, they are always dominated by La Liga teams, Liverpool and Manchester United have to lose the Champions League trophy due to being conquered by Real Madrid and Barcelona. EPL is more competitive because there are many big teams there, while La Liga has teams that are stronger than EPL. Manchester City, which has always won the EPL trophy, also had to admit Real Madrid's superiority in the UCL last season.
Barcelona vs Manchester United is definitely very interesting to watch. This match will prove the quality of the two teams after experiencing difficult times last season.

The era where La liga teams always beat English teams in European competitions is gradually coming to an end, because English teams are becoming stronger and evolving in their performances every season and I must say that it is a joy to watch. It will also be an opportunity once more to see Manchester United and Liverpool competing in the Champions league when the season resumes, we shall see which side will dominate in the game.

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Quote from: Razmirraz on December 05, 2022, 08:41:07 AM

I also see it like that, one of the reasons Barcelona was eliminated from the Champions League was because they were unable to balance the game when dealing with teams who had the same strength as them. The strength of Manchester United cannot be underestimated even though Barcelona has managed to improve its performance, Manchester United has improved since Ten Hag became coach.
Barcelona strength will be seen when dealing with Manchester United, if the tactics used by Xavi are able to get rid of Manchester United from the Europa League, Barcelona is ready to compete again to win the La Liga and UEL trophies.

Another problem is Injuries.
We know that when they were knocked out of the Champions League their form in the Champions League and La Liga faltered because they lost 4 core players in midfield and defense.
Xavi is good at coaching, but he still can't balance rotations so when their core players don't play Xavi gets overwhelmed and can't perform all out as usual.

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Quote from: bekti3 on December 05, 2022, 09:47:36 AM

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Barcelona is not yet balanced that is why they are not able to win big clubs but that doesn't make them to be weak team. Barcelona is still better than Manchester United in performance, Barcelona is in a better position in laliga while Manchester United is still struggling to be at the top.

We cannot compare the EPL and La Liga in any way because in terms of competition, the EPL is clearly much tougher than La Liga, where there are only a few clubs that are definitely on top each season.
This competition will still continue but when looking at the schedule it's still quite long I can't make any assumptions now because indeed we only have to see after the league restarts whether they are able or not to remain consistent.

Do you realize that when EPL teams meet La Liga teams in European competition, they are always dominated by La Liga teams, Liverpool and Manchester United have to lose the Champions League trophy due to being conquered by Real Madrid and Barcelona. EPL is more competitive because there are many big teams there, while La Liga has teams that are stronger than EPL. Manchester City, which has always won the EPL trophy, also had to admit Real Madrid's superiority in the UCL last season.
Barcelona vs Manchester United is definitely very interesting to watch. This match will prove the quality of the two teams after experiencing difficult times last season.

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Quote from: bekti3 on December 05, 2022, 09:47:36 AM

Quote from: Gosgosking on December 05, 2022, 08:27:55 AM

Barcelona is not yet balanced that is why they are not able to win big clubs but that doesn't make them to be weak team. Barcelona is still better than Manchester United in performance, Barcelona is in a better position in laliga while Manchester United is still struggling to be at the top.

We cannot compare the EPL and La Liga in any way because in terms of competition, the EPL is clearly much tougher than La Liga, where there are only a few clubs that are definitely on top each season.
This competition will still continue but when looking at the schedule it's still quite long I can't make any assumptions now because indeed we only have to see after the league restarts whether they are able or not to remain consistent.

It is true that English premier league is much more tougher that the Lalliga,but we have to call a spade a spade, Manchester United are not actually in a good form at the moment,they are just strouggling,and with the recent player and club crisis between Ronaldo and Man-U,it just seem the club is not really doing well.
The world cup will soon be over and the season will restart,but are we optimistic that Manchester will start doing well immediately? Or they will continue fumbling the way they were doing.It seems Ronaldo will leave the club after world cup and move to another club.Let see whether when he leaves,they will start performing well or not,since it seems he was the problem of the club.

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Quote from: Gosgosking on December 05, 2022, 08:27:55 AM

Barcelona is not yet balanced that is why they are not able to win big clubs but that doesn't make them to be weak team. Barcelona is still better than Manchester United in performance, Barcelona is in a better position in laliga while Manchester United is still struggling to be at the top.

We cannot compare the EPL and La Liga in any way because in terms of competition, the EPL is clearly much tougher than La Liga, where there are only a few clubs that are definitely on top each season.
This competition will still continue but when looking at the schedule it's still quite long I can't make any assumptions now because indeed we only have to see after the league restarts whether they are able or not to remain consistent.

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You're not wrong to say Barcelona is better than Manchester United now, because I see it that way too. Barcelona's only problem now is that they can't be balanced against teams that have the same or even better strength than them. Bayern Munich, obviously better than them so that in the group stage they easily won matches in 2 meetings. While Inter Milan is a team that cannot be said to be better than Barcelona, but they are able to make them better on the field.
At this meeting, I said that Manchester United is almost the same as Inter Milan, so they (Barcelona) have a better chance.

I also see it like that, one of the reasons Barcelona was eliminated from the Champions League was because they were unable to balance the game when dealing with teams who had the same strength as them. The strength of Manchester United cannot be underestimated even though Barcelona has managed to improve its performance, Manchester United has improved since Ten Hag became coach.
Barcelona strength will be seen when dealing with Manchester United, if the tactics used by Xavi are able to get rid of Manchester United from the Europa League, Barcelona is ready to compete again to win the La Liga and UEL trophies.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on December 04, 2022, 02:05:10 PM

I can't believe in Barcelona completely after seeing their performances against big clubs. They have had really unsatisfying results in those games. This was even the main reason why they couldn't qualify from their Champions League group. Xavi's priority should be to fix this first. Because they don't have any other issue than this actually to be successful in multiple tournaments.

Manchester United are just as usual. They are still not a very consistent team. They are dealing with big issues about having comfortable wins. Because their attackers are not having a great time. If this scenario continues they are likely to stay as the underdog. I still see Barcelona one step ahead as long as they deal with their main issue.

Barcelona is not yet balanced that is why they are not able to win big clubs but that doesn't make them to be weak team. Barcelona is still better than Manchester United in performance, Barcelona is in a better position in laliga while Manchester United is still struggling to be at the top.

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Quote from: bitgolden on December 05, 2022, 07:33:06 AM

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Manchester United's performance in the group stage was really good? I don't think so. Although Manchester United won 5 out of 6 matches. But they have to fight hard to win every match. Even against comparatively weaker teams, they cannot dominate the match. If they can't dominate against weak teams, how can Manchester United win against big teams like Barcelona or Arsenal?
However, whether the Manchester United team is worthy of winning the title will be proved in their upcoming matches. Manchester United will undoubtedly become favorites to win the Europa League if they beat Barcelona.

I would say if you won 5 out of 6, no matter how you played, that should be considered as you played good and that's enough. I know it is not going to be that much convincing to just say that, but at the same time it doesn't need to be convincing, it just needs to be as good as possible for them to be there.

In the end, United will face Barcelona and they are a great team so they could of course end up losing to Barcelona, that's understandable, but that wouldn't mean that they were bad so far, they were amazing in europa and played very well. Sure some of the teams were weaker and it was harder than it suppose to, but they got the win in the end anyway.

If you question whether Manchester United played very well or not in the group stage, then we must also ask about Barcelona. Because if they did well they wouldn't be in the Europa League right now, meaning a meeting between the two would prove who is the best out there, as was said. There is still a chance for both teams to beat each other, so let's see how they prove it.

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Quote from: BALIK on December 04, 2022, 07:36:26 PM

Manchester United's performance in the group stage was really good? I don't think so. Although Manchester United won 5 out of 6 matches. But they have to fight hard to win every match. Even against comparatively weaker teams, they cannot dominate the match. If they can't dominate against weak teams, how can Manchester United win against big teams like Barcelona or Arsenal?
However, whether the Manchester United team is worthy of winning the title will be proved in their upcoming matches. Manchester United will undoubtedly become favorites to win the Europa League if they beat Barcelona.

I would say if you won 5 out of 6, no matter how you played, that should be considered as you played good and that's enough. I know it is not going to be that much convincing to just say that, but at the same time it doesn't need to be convincing, it just needs to be as good as possible for them to be there.

In the end, United will face Barcelona and they are a great team so they could of course end up losing to Barcelona, that's understandable, but that wouldn't mean that they were bad so far, they were amazing in europa and played very well. Sure some of the teams were weaker and it was harder than it suppose to, but they got the win in the end anyway.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on December 04, 2022, 02:05:10 PM

I can't believe in Barcelona completely after seeing their performances against big clubs. They have had really unsatisfying results in those games. This was even the main reason why they couldn't qualify from their Champions League group. Xavi's priority should be to fix this first. Because they don't have any other issue than this actually to be successful in multiple tournaments.

Manchester United are just as usual. They are still not a very consistent team. They are dealing with big issues about having comfortable wins. Because their attackers are not having a great time. If this scenario continues they are likely to stay as the underdog. I still see Barcelona one step ahead as long as they deal with their main issue.

You're not wrong to say Barcelona is better than Manchester United now, because I see it that way too. Barcelona's only problem now is that they can't be balanced against teams that have the same or even better strength than them. Bayern Munich, obviously better than them so that in the group stage they easily won matches in 2 meetings. While Inter Milan is a team that cannot be said to be better than Barcelona, but they are able to make them better on the field.
At this meeting, I said that Manchester United is almost the same as Inter Milan, so they (Barcelona) have a better chance.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on December 03, 2022, 03:36:47 PM

I can't be so sure about Barcelona to advance to next round even though I'm supporting them to eliminate Manchester United. The reason why is that Barcelona have played many games against big competitors in this season until now but couldn't get any win. For example, they faced Inter and Bayern Munich in their Champions League group two times each. But Barcelona were able to gain only one point in all those four games. Can you imagine how serious their condition has been in this kind of games?

It was the same for the El Clasico in the La Liga. They couldn't do much in Santiago Bernabeu and just lost the game. Lewandowski has also been disappointing the fans by having scoring problems in these games all. They need to work harder on this problem to be able to move Manchester United out of their way in the Europa League. Otherwise it might end up with another bad result for them.

Manchester United are not any better, if they're not even worst. In all these games Barcelona played well, they were just unable to score, especially the first leg against Bayern and the second leg against Inter. Part of their problem was the injuries of their defenders. About five of their defenders went out injured just before these games.

As for Lewandoski, I really do not know what they expect him to do. The only game where he was disappointing was the first leg against Bayern. He scored twice against Inter and gave the assist for their only goal against Madrid. To me he's been very decent. Aside the goals, he adds a lot to that Barcelona team.

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Quote from: Oneandpure on December 04, 2022, 12:20:44 AM

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While I consider Arsenal favorite for the Europa League title, Manchester United is not favourite for me at the moment. Manchester United will play their next match against Barcelona. If Manchester United is able to win against Barcelona, then I would say that Manchester United has the right team to win the Europa League title.
I saw Manchester United's performance in the group stage. Neither their performance nor their match strategy was good. If you perform like that, it is impossible to win the title. Their performance will inevitably improve. At the same time, the internal conflicts of the party should also be resolved

Manchester United have quit well current performance in group stage this season and have the same points collected with Arsenal, I don't think what your reason about Manchester United have underperformance this season after win 5 matches and have 1 loss at group stage. I think with play off round match against with Barcelona looks unlucky moment for United because loss difference goals with Real Sociedad although last matchday success beat Sociedad at their home.
Still have possibility for Manchester United with Europe League tittle actually if can beat Barcelona in play off round begin at February 17th for first leg and second Manchester United playing home on 24th February.

Manchester United's performance in the group stage was really good? I don't think so. Although Manchester United won 5 out of 6 matches. But they have to fight hard to win every match. Even against comparatively weaker teams, they cannot dominate the match. If they can't dominate against weak teams, how can Manchester United win against big teams like Barcelona or Arsenal?
However, whether the Manchester United team is worthy of winning the title will be proved in their upcoming matches. Manchester United will undoubtedly become favorites to win the Europa League if they beat Barcelona.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on December 04, 2022, 05:51:41 PM

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Barcelona has a problem when dealing with the big European teams and we saw that in the Champions League preliminary rounds. But they will definitely evaluate why they can't compete with other European teams at the moment. Xavi Hernandez has had a very long preparation time, so we shouldn't look back at what they did in the Champions League when they were beaten 2 times by Bayern Munich and only got a draw against Inter Milan in the second leg.
Manchester United are also in the same situation as Barcelona, I even think they are no better than what Barcelona is doing. We will see the proof of these two teams in the play-off round.

Barcelona were poor in terms of performance in the champions league which resulted to early elimination in the group stages of the champions league and dropping to the Europa league play offs. The break will give opportunity for Xavi to evaluate the team's performance and work on doing better which we shall see in the play offs after the world cup.

Barcelona's condition at that time was not very good because they lost several of their mainstay players who were injured at the same time but I think for now in the knockout phase even though their opponent is Manchester United but I am quite optimistic they can win provided there are no problems in terms of fitness or at least there is no reduction from the core squad later but indeed the worst chance is always there especially this match is still very long from happening.

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Quote from: Fesatmas on December 04, 2022, 01:09:48 PM

Barcelona has a problem when dealing with the big European teams and we saw that in the Champions League preliminary rounds. But they will definitely evaluate why they can't compete with other European teams at the moment. Xavi Hernandez has had a very long preparation time, so we shouldn't look back at what they did in the Champions League when they were beaten 2 times by Bayern Munich and only got a draw against Inter Milan in the second leg.
Manchester United are also in the same situation as Barcelona, I even think they are no better than what Barcelona is doing. We will see the proof of these two teams in the play-off round.

Barcelona were poor in terms of performance in the champions league which resulted to early elimination in the group stages of the champions league and dropping to the Europa league play offs. The break will give opportunity for Xavi to evaluate the team's performance and work on doing better which we shall see in the play offs after the world cup.

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Barcelona are capable of winning Manchester United and I believe they will win and move to the next round.When I take a look at Barcelona and the player they have in there,comparing them to the ones at Manchester United,I can say Barca have that quality to win and qualify to the next round, because if you talk about scoring goals,we have a man like Lewandowski, who even if he is being criticised,he is delivering and scoring goals for them,but Manchester United does not have any prolific goal scorer like that,the only person that would have been available is Ronaldo,but the issues on ground won't make him part of the team anymore,so I still believe Barca can easily go past united to the next round.

Comparison of the quality of the squad owned by Barcelona and Manchester United places Barcelona as the superior team. You can't forget one thing in football, anything can happen on the pitch. Who would have thought that Japan could humiliate Germany and Saudi Arabia could beat Argentina in the 2022 world cup, the same thing could happen to Barcelona vs Manchester United.
Barcelona has performed well in La Liga and managed to secure first place, while Manchester United could also be a team that can give Barcelona defeat if Xavi is not consistent in maintaining his team's appearance on the pitch.

As we can see from a comparison of the two teams, both of them do not have the most consistent defense, but on the other hand, I think that Barcelona have a better attack than Manchester United, given that they have an in-form Robert Lewandowski, compared to Cristiano Ronaldo who is out-of-form at present.

In addition to that, I think that Xavi has done a great job maintaining this Barcelona squad compared to the ten Hag. I think there are some internal clashes in the United squad which is also detrimental to their performance. To sum up, I would say Barcelona have an edge over United.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on December 03, 2022, 03:36:47 PM

I can't be so sure about Barcelona to advance to next round even though I'm supporting them to eliminate Manchester United. The reason why is that Barcelona have played many games against big competitors in this season until now but couldn't get any win. For example, they faced Inter and Bayern Munich in their Champions League group two times each. But Barcelona were able to gain only one point in all those four games. Can you imagine how serious their condition has been in this kind of games?

It was the same for the El Clasico in the La Liga. They couldn't do much in Santiago Bernabeu and just lost the game. Lewandowski has also been disappointing the fans by having scoring problems in these games all. They need to work harder on this problem to be able to move Manchester United out of their way in the Europa League. Otherwise it might end up with another bad result for them.

The game between the two teams will be an assessment to ascertain how well they have improved from the break. I'm predicting Manchester United to win against Barcelona, United have an attitude of performing well against too teams in the league and in European competitions so this will be another one if those top games where Manchester United often put up a surprising show.

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