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Brighton will qualify most likely whether in the first place or going through play-offs at worst. I doubt AEK Athens could overtake them. This remain possible of course since there is two games left and the difference between them is 3 points only.
Apart from Group B, the other groups have at least a team that almost guaranteed qualification since 1 point is nothing for them to collect. The problem with Group B is that one round with the theoretical defeat of Marseille and Bright will make the difference between these clubs too close except for Ajax, it will be a miracle seeing them qualifying.

It seems like that brighton needs to win one more game before it will be able to be qualified for the next stage. Brigjton was winning against ajax and it makes the situation of club become far better.
Being struggle during the early phase made brighton becomes even stronger than before. It's likely brighton has been getting its confidence back again. Im very happy with it caused by my last two bets for brighton were right. Brighton and marseille is likely to go to the next stage. AEK was not lucky enough after it has very good start but it seems like that brighton will be making its comeback again very soon.
Im really happy with it at this moment.

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Quote from: snipie on November 10, 2023, 06:06:22 PM

Brighton will qualify most likely whether in the first place or going through play-offs at worst. I doubt AEK Athens could overtake them. This remain possible of course since there is two games left and the difference between them is 3 points only.
Apart from Group B, the other groups have at least a team that almost guaranteed qualification since 1 point is nothing for them to collect. The problem with Group B is that one round with the theoretical defeat of Marseille and Bright will make the difference between these clubs too close except for Ajax, it will be a miracle seeing them qualifying.

So I said that Brighton must be able to beat AEK Athena in the next match because if they get 3 point then they will be safe enough to qualify for the next round. In the first match, AEK Athena certainly managed to beat Brighton and in the second leg, of course the situation could change if Brighton were able to play better to find victory. On the other hand, for the time being in group B, of course Ajax has a smaller chance because it is already far behind the team above it.

The remaining two matches will be quite crucial for them in securing tickets to qualify for the next round. But I am sure that with the quality that Brighton has they will be able to take one place to qualify for the round of 16. Marseille has the opportunity to qualify as group winner if they can maintain the good performance they have shown so far.

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Quote from: Roseline492 on November 10, 2023, 03:37:02 PM

Yeah actually one of there biggest mistake was underestimating Toulouse because they feel that they could easily beat Toulouse with many goals but little did they know that performance could sometimes vary, to my greatest surprise as big as Liverpool they were playing with tension, they hardly settle with the ball for a minutes without Toulouse collecting it from thrm.

The first half and second half was not easy on Liverpool because Toulouse were able to dominate them from the first half to second half, however it was only on the last minutes of the game Liverpool were able to peak form and by then it was already late for them but perhaps if the had given them more time Liverpool would have equalised.

I was also surprised that Liverpool was able to be beaten by Toulouse and Liverpool's delay in making their best performance in the second half also cannot be used as an excuse because basically every match has a time that has been determined by the rules. So delays in utilizing the available time will always be a disaster for every team, especially if they underestimate their opponents in a competition so that Liverpool has received the results they deserve even though it is a very disappointing result for Liverpool fans and also a surprising result for me.

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Brighton will qualify most likely whether in the first place or going through play-offs at worst. I doubt AEK Athens could overtake them. This remain possible of course since there is two games left and the difference between them is 3 points only.
Apart from Group B, the other groups have at least a team that almost guaranteed qualification since 1 point is nothing for them to collect. The problem with Group B is that one round with the theoretical defeat of Marseille and Bright will make the difference between these clubs too close except for Ajax, it will be a miracle seeing them qualifying.

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Quote from: marcous on November 10, 2023, 12:26:57 PM

However, I think this result cannot negate Liverpool status as the favorite team in this competition. I was also surprised by this result because on paper the Reds have all the attributes to secure three points at home to Toulouse. Currently Klopp squad still leads the Group E standings with 9 points. There are two games left, and I don't expect Liverpool to drop any points. Maybe Klopp should change his strategy so that it is difficult for opponents to guess, and they can move forward easily in the remaining two matches.

Liverpool is still one of the favorite teams to win the trophy whatever the result of the match yesterday. They are still leading group E, the defeat doesn't change its status in the group E. But the defeat against Toulouse may change people mind that Liverpool isn't as strong as they think. People assume Liverpool will be undefeated, but the fact showed that Liverpool still can be defeated by a small team like Toulouse. Only Leverkusen which always wins the match, they are unbeatable so far.

Anyway, I don't think Klopp needs to change the tactic. He only needs to be more serious to put players on the lineup. In the next matches, he mustn't underestimate any team. He already know that even a small team like Toulouse can beat them if they are not serious to win the match.

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Quote from: rendravolt on November 10, 2023, 06:50:09 AM

Brighton managed to secure second place in group B after defeating hosts Ajax with a score of 0-2 without reply. This win was very important for Brighton after they got off to a poor start in the group stages and this result gives them a greater chance of progressing to the next round. I don't know what happened to Ajax because this team is also slumping in the domestic league and is in the relegation zone.

Ajax, which is predicted to be a candidate for the team to qualify for this group stage, seems to have to fall early, having only collected 2 points from 4 matches and has never won. Moreover, in the next match they have to face Marseille who want to secure a ticket to the next round and become group winners, so it is very unlikely that Ajax will be able to win in the next match.

It seems like Brighton has a greater chance of qualifying for the round of 16 after the victory they achieved in the match against Ajax. This was quite an important victory for them because the additional 3 points made them sit in 2nd place. Apart from that, Brighton has a better opportunity in the next two matches because if they manage to achieve 2 win in the next match, it is very likely that they will qualify as group winner.

And for Brighton, this is a big opportunity for them to focus well on their the European league because the European league is one of the opportunities for them to win trophies this season. In the domestic league, of course Brighton has no chance of winning the title because other team are stronger than them, so the European league is a place where they have to fight as best as possible this season.

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Still there shouldn't be any problem for Liverpool after this loss. They are already comfortable in the Europa League and they just don't want to lose momentum too much in the Premier League on one hand. The rotation decision was completely the right thing to do. They just left two points in the Luton match in the end. They need their main starting eleven players fit for the Brentford match next.

To be honest I expect to see Liverpool being very competitive for the Europa League title. They are chasing the Premier League title primarily maybe but I don't expect them to get eliminated by a small team in the Europa League at the same time. But I can't be sure about what they can do against other big title contenders.

As a fan of the team, I will be happy with an Europa trophy vs any other place on the EPL table at the end of the season. But I do know for a fact that if the Europa league gets into the most competitive stages and push comes to shove, Klopp will be sure to field his best 11 on those games. Since the start of the Europa league this season, Liverpool have been the favorite to win and the fact that the team has significantly improved in midfield and attack departments, Liverpool should be able to do well even though our defenses are not so great. Toulouse game yesterday was a shocker especially since Liverpool is a team that more often than not finish UCL group stages without a loss.

I have my fingers crossed for the remaining games in the group stage. I'm expecting two wins and lots of goals.

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Quote from: nelson4lov on November 09, 2023, 05:06:39 PM

Toulouse gave it their best shot in this game, Ngl. I didn't watch the game even though my money was on Liverpool and it's lost obviously but I heard from others that Liverpool was once again robbed by VAR. It's hearsay now until I see the highlights. Somehow I felt Liverpool was going to lose today but due to the fact that I'm always biased with my selection when it involves Liverpool, I still played it. The issue is not about resting players. Klopp usually rotates the squad to give players not getting enough PL time the opportunity to get some game time in. Most times, it's enough to finish the job but some days ir isn't. Today is one of such days.

Still there shouldn't be any problem for Liverpool after this loss. They are already comfortable in the Europa League and they just don't want to lose momentum too much in the Premier League on one hand. The rotation decision was completely the right thing to do. They just left two points in the Luton match in the end. They need their main starting eleven players fit for the Brentford match next.

To be honest I expect to see Liverpool being very competitive for the Europa League title. They are chasing the Premier League title primarily maybe but I don't expect them to get eliminated by a small team in the Europa League at the same time. But I can't be sure about what they can do against other big title contenders.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on November 10, 2023, 12:19:11 PM

They didn't play as usual because they didn't use their best lineup. There were some key players on the bench, Liverpool seems a bit underestimate Toulouse. I can understand if Klopp used some substituted players, he didn't see Toulouse to have a chance to steal points. It is a small team, they don't have many quality players and they are not in their best form in Ligue 1. However, it is a mistake to underestimate any team in Europa League, this competition often gave us a big surprise. Klopp didn't learn much from previous history in Europa League. Although the defeat won't impact a big thing for the chance of Liverpool to qualify to the next round, but the fans must feel unsatisfied with Liverpool game. Also, the players may drop their mentality due to the defeat from a smaller team.

Well, I hope Klopp will be more careful to choose players for the starting lineup in the next match. He must realize that he needs to keep the wins, it will keep the motivation of all players. He also must order all the players to keep playing with high intensity and be more aggressive. Liverpool players should never underestimate any team, specifically for the teams in Europa League.

Little teams matter a lot especially to the team spirit and in a competition across Europe, I think no team should be considered small, though the defeat might not have much effect on the log leaders, Liverpool but also they have to know the fans and bookies are in their favour and should maintain the winning streak for a long period of time.

I think switching line ups isn't a bad idea but it should be done with caution and I hope Klopp has gotten a cue from this defeat and will bounce back to winning ways over the weekend, Liverpool are a very good side to watch, let's see how the weekend turns out for the team, they'll be playing against Brentford in their Domestic league game on Sunday at Anfield and that's should be an easy game for them.

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Quote from: Frankolala on November 09, 2023, 05:28:47 PM

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Yep, looking at what happened actually Liverpool seemed to want more rest for their players in this match and some young players were given the opportunity which made this a little less exciting for Liverpool even though they (young players) also played very well but flying hours are very important to support performance.
Other than that, they also don't have any problems despite losing this match as they remain comfortably at the top of the table in Group E.
Regardless of the result, I like what Klopp did in this match because these young players must be given more opportunities to strengthen their mentality and giving confidence in this prestigious match is important to make their spirits rise.

The result from today match shouldn't be something to worry over because that was the game plan by Klopp, to gamble with the match since it is not an important match, and I believe that this was his reason why he had to bench his key player and give the younger ones the opportunity to showcase theu talents even though it will lead to a loss.

Tonight was a great moment for Toulouse as they had the greatest victory in their life ever since the history of the club, and we can see that in them after the last goal was scored which was cancelled due to a hand ball that was made that les to the goal. I gave them the respect for winning Liverpool and scoring up to four goals in the match.

Actually even though they lost but it doesn't mean this is in accordance with Klopp's plan because after all even though they played with their layered squad but I'm still very sure they didn't want to lose it's just that for 90 minutes in this match they lost as the worst possibility that happened.
For Toulouse this is indeed a blessing because with them managing to bring 3 points against Liverpool, apart from them getting a boost of spirit, they are also still quite comfortable in second place now even though there are indeed 2 more matches they have to complete but I think if they play the same as facing Liverpool in yesterday's match they can secure the runner-up position.

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Quote from: puloweh555 on November 10, 2023, 01:13:12 PM

Liverpool's defeat was because they seemed to have underestimated Toulouse from the start, and in that match Toulouse played very solidly and didn't make many mistakes. Liverpool itself deliberately rotated players which was carried out by Klopp because even if they lost this match, it wouldn't be too worrying, because 99% would pass. Apart from that, they also maintain the players' fitness for the league because Klopp's main focus is of course the league.

Yeah actually one of there biggest mistake was underestimating Toulouse because they feel that they could easily beat Toulouse with many goals but little did they know that performance could sometimes vary, to my greatest surprise as big as Liverpool they were playing with tension, they hardly settle with the ball for a minutes without Toulouse collecting it from thrm.

The first half and second half was not easy on Liverpool because Toulouse were able to dominate them from the first half to second half, however it was only on the last minutes of the game Liverpool were able to peak form and by then it was already late for them but perhaps if the had given them more time Liverpool would have equalised.

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Quote from: makishart on November 10, 2023, 10:31:32 AM

Klopp doesn't really care about the result from the group stage as long as liverpool has been qualified for the next stage. It was surprising many people caused by liverpool was losing against a mediocre club and i was sure even after i aware if liverpool was not using the main squad. I must confess that while Liverpool's first team is incredibly strong, the outcome against Toulouse made me ponder over the poor performance of Liverpool's backup squad. Liverpool was not playing seriously against toulouse. It was disappointing many betters who have expected to get easy money from Liverpool.
People shall never truly bet on a club that has been securing a spot for the upcoming stage.

It is not true that Liverpool has already qualified for the Europa League Round of 16. A win against Toulouse would have given them the ticket to the next round since Union SG failed to beat LASK. But as it stands now, the Reds must have to win the match against LASK at the end of this month. The Liverpool team is suffering from injuries and Jurgen Klopp made nine changes from players that played a draw in their last game against Luton. The team was not coordinated which made them fail to win a team they won 5-1 in England.

Toulouse has just managed to win three games in all competitions. So almost everyone thought that Liverpool would win the game so most people would bet in favour of the club. This is the beauty of gambling, it is just unpredictable fun.

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Liverpool did not underestimate Toulouse but they have bigger priority in this season. It's Premier League and in Europa League, one defeat against Toulouse does not affect their chance to be in a next round too much. Liverpool have experience with covering on many competitions and as consequences of such too big ambition and lack of proper resource allocation, they get many injuries for their players then the club performance affected too.

They learned some lessons and applied them in the match with Toulouse as they made good decisions to let their star players have one match to rest and come back stronger with better fitness.

Liverpool missed the privilege of qualifying for the next round with two games to spare. A win would have been better for the team to enable them to face their tight schedule in the EPL. Qualifying for the next round would have made Jürgen Klopp rest more players. Indeed the loss didn't affect their chances of qualifying since they are still the group leaders and one more win will take them to the next round. But it was clear that Liverpool was not at its best which can also make one assume that Toulouse was underrated. Individual defensive mistakes caused some of the goals Liverpool conceived and an example is Kosta Tsimikas's mishandling of the ball that led to the first goal by Donnum. Toulouse seems to have placed more importance on the Europa League than the Ligue 1 where they are in 14th position.

Liverpool are already their group leaders and will be qualifying with first position,and what I can say about that match was that they did not take it seriously since they are already topping the group,they thought it was a match they were going to just win convincingly without stress,but they didn't know Toulouse were well prepared for that encounter,and wanted to qualify by all means.So a win for them has given them a chance in qualifying.Liverpool will be facing Brenthford in the EPL,and it is indeed going to be a tough match for them because we all know what Brenthford are capable of doing.The reds had a draw in their last match against Luton,and would want to bounce back with a win by all means,so I think they will thrive towards getting three points in this one.

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Jurgen Klopp lost, which is understandable because his players have done all the hardwork in league games. Toulouse is an average team compared to Liverpool pattern of game, they were simply lucky enough to win Liverpool, succeeded in grabbing three points against Liverpool last night. I was expecting that particular defeat coming from Liverpool, in the first place, the Reds have nothing to worry or lost because they've made tremendous countdown to the next phase of the Europa, they're absolutely not here to jeopardize any golden chances.

This match was quite surprising to many football observers and not many people predicted the defeat experienced by Liverpool. Jurgen Klopp seemed to have difficulty keeping up with Carlez Martinez's strategy because they used a pressing strategy and carried out fast attacks and it was proven that Liverpool had quite a difficult time managing the match. In terms of ball control, Liverpool may have dominated more but Toulouse was able to take advantage of the opportunities to score goals.

After Casseres scored an own goal, Liverpool players were able to continue with the second goal through Jota. Unfortunately, there were no additional goals scored by Liverpool players because Toulouse's defense and goalkeeper appeared very solid and unified. Many people believed Liverpool could get full points in every group stage match but in fact they were stopped by Toulouse.

I was even having the same surprise too as I was expecting Liverpool to win
Toulouse, especially considering their firepower as against Toulouse and for this season, Toulouse in their league their performance has been below expectations because they are 14th in ligue 1 table, as against Liverpool that are 3rd position on the premier League table. I did expected more from Liverpool, but then this is football.

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Quote from: hahay on November 10, 2023, 02:36:00 PM

To finish in the top two positions is clear, that Ajax no longer has a chance to be able to finish in that position or in the top two positions. But ya, at least Ajax can still try to finish in third place even though indeed, I also realize that Ajax at this moment does not have a promising performance to be able to get a victory in the remaining matches . But because in football anything can happen, then maybe Ajax will maximize the quality they have to be able to qualify for the Conference League by finishing in third position. But yes, if for example Ajax choose to focus more on domestic competitions then ya, I agree that Ajax are done here, let's wait.

John van 't Schip implements new game strategy this new season he has been entrusted with responsibility to redeemed the club. This season is not yet over, so we will wait for the possible final outcome of Ajax, to rechecked if they will actually bounce back or they will continue to struggle this season. Unimaginably to see Ajax tremble fall this season. Ajax have no hope of bouncing back, they're bottom in Group B table with no wins to record. This is the worst performance of de Godenzonen, they are crumbling but checking the previous games, they made quite an improvement, good news for the fans I guessed.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on November 10, 2023, 01:43:45 PM

I assume we can say Ajax are done in the Europa League already while there are still 2 more weeks to go in the group stage. Because that loss against Brighton caused them to be 5 points behind Brighton. Ajax would need a miracle from now on to make a comeback with this poor level performance. Obviously Marseille and Brighton are going to reach next stage.

But I'm not surprised with Ajax's performance at all. They are already in huge crisis this season and it is seen in every competiton they take part in. I really don't know when they can get better. Since the day Erik ten Hag left the team they haven't been close to that level. Sad

To finish in the top two positions is clear, that Ajax no longer has a chance to be able to finish in that position or in the top two positions. But ya, at least Ajax can still try to finish in third place even though indeed, I also realize that Ajax at this moment does not have a promising performance to be able to get a victory in the remaining matches . But because in football anything can happen, then maybe Ajax will maximize the quality they have to be able to qualify for the Conference League by finishing in third position. But yes, if for example Ajax choose to focus more on domestic competitions then ya, I agree that Ajax are done here, let's wait.

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Quote from: Frankolala on November 10, 2023, 02:07:17 PM

Liverpool is not a club that will be out too soon from the Europa league and I know that they have that confidence and that was why they cared less about yesterday's match in terms of winning or nor because the outcome of the match wouldn't affect their position on their group as they are still the first on the group. I believe that Liverpool should be able to win this league this seson.

Yeah it's true Liverpool is very much confident enough and definitely is not looking like they are leaving the Europa anytime soon but then I think this is the only time klop is allowed to make such mistake he made yesterday because if he must win the title then he should do better.

Now I think he knows better that with his second team, there's little he can achieve unlike with his main team so it's more important he take it very serious to making sure he achieves the kind of results he desires by using his main team. Although the boys yesterday tried but that is not the kind of results Liverpool needs to win this trophy, they need some more consistency with more wins even tho I know their confidence is still up there they need do More.

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This match was quite surprising to many football observers and not many people predicted the defeat experienced by Liverpool. Jurgen Klopp seemed to have difficulty keeping up with Carlez Martinez's strategy because they used a pressing strategy and carried out fast attacks and it was proven that Liverpool had quite a difficult time managing the match. In terms of ball control, Liverpool may have dominated more but Toulouse was able to take advantage of the opportunities to score goals.

After Casseres scored an own goal, Liverpool players were able to continue with the second goal through Jota. Unfortunately, there were no additional goals scored by Liverpool players because Toulouse's defense and goalkeeper appeared very solid and unified. Many people believed Liverpool could get full points in every group stage match but in fact they were stopped by Toulouse.

However, I think this result cannot negate Liverpool status as the favorite team in this competition. I was also surprised by this result because on paper the Reds have all the attributes to secure three points at home to Toulouse. Currently Klopp squad still leads the Group E standings with 9 points. There are two games left, and I don't expect Liverpool to drop any points. Maybe Klopp should change his strategy so that it is difficult for opponents to guess, and they can move forward easily in the remaining two matches.

Klopp decided to try some new experiment with his team by playing the second choice players on Toulouse to see if he can come up with a new game plan for his club, I guess. I must say that the players didn't perform poorly because they didn't win the match doesn't mean that they played badly.

Liverpool is not a club that will be out too soon from the Europa league and I know that they have that confidence and that was why they cared less about yesterday's match in terms of winning or nor because the outcome of the match wouldn't affect their position on their group as they are still the first on the group. I believe that Liverpool should be able to win this league this seson.

Yess I saw the replacements from Jurgen Klopp, that shouldn't be reason enough to see Toulouse playing better than Liverpool. I saw part if the game from the second half and they played better than Liverpool. The first goal for Liverpool was luck and mistake from Toulouse. If they had communicated well that ball should have been caught by the goalkeeper.

It was a nice rotation still. Liverpool without and with replacements have have not enough good defenders. They struggled with the attavkeroof Toulouse who outsmart them countless moments during the game.
Ajax will not even be saved, not even a miracle can do that for them.

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This match was quite surprising to many football observers and not many people predicted the defeat experienced by Liverpool. Jurgen Klopp seemed to have difficulty keeping up with Carlez Martinez's strategy because they used a pressing strategy and carried out fast attacks and it was proven that Liverpool had quite a difficult time managing the match. In terms of ball control, Liverpool may have dominated more but Toulouse was able to take advantage of the opportunities to score goals.

After Casseres scored an own goal, Liverpool players were able to continue with the second goal through Jota. Unfortunately, there were no additional goals scored by Liverpool players because Toulouse's defense and goalkeeper appeared very solid and unified. Many people believed Liverpool could get full points in every group stage match but in fact they were stopped by Toulouse.

However, I think this result cannot negate Liverpool status as the favorite team in this competition. I was also surprised by this result because on paper the Reds have all the attributes to secure three points at home to Toulouse. Currently Klopp squad still leads the Group E standings with 9 points. There are two games left, and I don't expect Liverpool to drop any points. Maybe Klopp should change his strategy so that it is difficult for opponents to guess, and they can move forward easily in the remaining two matches.

Klopp decided to try some new experiment with his team by playing the second choice players on Toulouse to see if he can come up with a new game plan for his club, I guess. I must say that the players didn't perform poorly because they didn't win the match doesn't mean that they played badly.

Liverpool is not a club that will be out too soon from the Europa league and I know that they have that confidence and that was why they cared less about yesterday's match in terms of winning or nor because the outcome of the match wouldn't affect their position on their group as they are still the first on the group. I believe that Liverpool should be able to win this league this seson.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on November 10, 2023, 01:43:45 PM

I assume we can say Ajax are done in the Europa League already while there are still 2 more weeks to go in the group stage. Because that loss against Brighton caused them to be 5 points behind Brighton. Ajax would need a miracle from now on to make a comeback with this poor level performance. Obviously Marseille and Brighton are going to reach next stage.

But I'm not surprised with Ajax's performance at all. They are already in huge crisis this season and it is seen in every competiton they take part in. I really don't know when they can get better. Since the day Erik ten Hag left the team they haven't been close to that level. Sad

Looks Ajax Amsterdam opportunity to next round have been over after beating by Brighton Albion on last match and two matches left its look not enough for getting first or second place. Ajax remaining 6 points from Marseille who on the top position and have 5 points behind left Brighton Albion on second place. I think in Group B between Marseille, Brighton or AEK will get place on the next round depend with two matches left which one have more opportunity to be first or second standings place finish.

Poor performed from Ajax their participants in Europe League this season, have played four matches without winning one match yet and they got 2 draw then 2 loss. Looks two points achievement can't help more for Ajax to get next round with two matches teams opponent are AEK and Marseille have better performed than Ajax.

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