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Quote from: Awaklara on November 10, 2023, 07:59:56 AM

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I don't know what happened to Ajax because this team is also slumping in the domestic league and is in the relegation zone.

in the Eredivisie, Ajax is not in the relegation zone. Currently, they are in the middle of the Eredivisie standings. even though the performance shown by the Ajax team has decreased quite a lot. That makes it quite difficult for them to compete with Brighton and Marseille, who are quite good.
Ajax have lost twice to Brighton, with the same score. even though their previous match resulted in a draw against Marseille and Athens. maybe in the next meeting, Ajax will not get the chance to win.

My mistake, thanks for correcting. I said Ajax was in the relegation zone because a while ago they were at the bottom of the standings and I didn't see that in the previous two matches in the domestic league they had won. But it's quite clear that at least now they are playing better in the domestic league.

Returning to the European league, it seems that in this competition Ajax seems to have lost a strong control and could even be better than AEK Athens. But perhaps their mentality has gone down since the bad results in the domestic league and they lost concentration in this group stage so that in the end they couldn't do anything else. Ajax's chances have run out but if they still want to play in European competitions, then at least they have to aim for 3rd place and continue their journey in the Conference League.

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I assume we can say Ajax are done in the Europa League already while there are still 2 more weeks to go in the group stage. Because that loss against Brighton caused them to be 5 points behind Brighton. Ajax would need a miracle from now on to make a comeback with this poor level performance. Obviously Marseille and Brighton are going to reach next stage.

But I'm not surprised with Ajax's performance at all. They are already in huge crisis this season and it is seen in every competiton they take part in. I really don't know when they can get better. Since the day Erik ten Hag left the team they haven't been close to that level. Sad

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Quote from: makishart on November 10, 2023, 10:31:32 AM

Klopp doesn't really care about the result from the group stage as long as liverpool has been qualified for the next stage. It was surprising many people caused by liverpool was losing against a mediocre club and i was sure even after i aware if liverpool was not using the main squad. I must confess that while Liverpool's first team is incredibly strong, the outcome against Toulouse made me ponder over the poor performance of Liverpool's backup squad. Liverpool was not playing seriously against toulouse. It was disappointing many betters who have expected to get easy money from liverpool.
People shall never truy to bet on a club that has been securing a spot for the upcoming stage.

Liverpool's defeat was because they seemed to have underestimated Toulouse from the start, and in that match Toulouse played very solidly and didn't make many mistakes. Liverpool itself deliberately rotated players which was carried out by Klopp because even if they lost this match, it wouldn't be too worrying, because 99% would pass. Apart from that, they also maintain the players' fitness for the league because Klopp's main focus is of course the league.

But this defeat must of course be a correction for Klopp that their reserve players are still not up to par with the main players, so that even a mediocre team like Toulouse cannot be beaten. When in the preliminary round, especially if they feel they can qualify, it is not recommended to bet, because it will definitely not match predictions.

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This match was quite surprising to many football observers and not many people predicted the defeat experienced by Liverpool. Jurgen Klopp seemed to have difficulty keeping up with Carlez Martinez's strategy because they used a pressing strategy and carried out fast attacks and it was proven that Liverpool had quite a difficult time managing the match. In terms of ball control, Liverpool may have dominated more but Toulouse was able to take advantage of the opportunities to score goals.

After Casseres scored an own goal, Liverpool players were able to continue with the second goal through Jota. Unfortunately, there were no additional goals scored by Liverpool players because Toulouse's defense and goalkeeper appeared very solid and unified. Many people believed Liverpool could get full points in every group stage match but in fact they were stopped by Toulouse.

However, I think this result cannot negate Liverpool status as the favorite team in this competition. I was also surprised by this result because on paper the Reds have all the attributes to secure three points at home to Toulouse. Currently Klopp squad still leads the Group E standings with 9 points. There are two games left, and I don't expect Liverpool to drop any points. Maybe Klopp should change his strategy so that it is difficult for opponents to guess, and they can move forward easily in the remaining two matches.

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Quote from: Razmirraz on November 10, 2023, 10:17:39 AM

Liverpool displayed a sub-par performance against Toulouse, who are currently ranked 14th in the Ligue 1 standings. Liverpool players made repeated mistakes which made it easier for Toulouse players to score goals against them. The aggressiveness of Liverpool's players doesn't look like usual at all, with the material they have the players should be able to create more opportunities that end in goals for their victory. Liverpool's recent defeat does not affect their position in the standings, but they have to be patient longer to qualify for the last 16.

They didn't play as usual because they didn't use their best lineup. There were some key players on the bench, Liverpool seems a bit underestimate Toulouse. I can understand if Klopp used some substituted players, he didn't see Toulouse to have a chance to steal points. It is a small team, they don't have many quality players and they are not in their best form in Ligue 1. However, it is a mistake to underestimate any team in Europa League, this competition often gave us a big surprise. Klopp didn't learn much from previous history in Europa League. Although the defeat won't impact a big thing for the chance of Liverpool to qualify to the next round, but the fans must feel unsatisfied with Liverpool game. Also, the players may drop their mentality due to the defeat from a smaller team.

Well, I hope Klopp will be more careful to choose players for the starting lineup in the next match. He must realize that he needs to keep the wins, it will keep the motivation of all players. He also must order all the players to keep playing with high intensity and be more aggressive. Liverpool players should never underestimate any team, specifically for the teams in Europa League.

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Quote from: Awaklara on November 10, 2023, 07:59:56 AM

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I don't know what happened to Ajax because this team is also slumping in the domestic league and is in the relegation zone.

in the Eredivisie, Ajax is not in the relegation zone. Currently, they are in the middle of the Eredivisie standings. even though the performance shown by the Ajax team has decreased quite a lot. That makes it quite difficult for them to compete with Brighton and Marseille, who are quite good.
Ajax have lost twice to Brighton, with the same score. even though their previous match resulted in a draw against Marseille and Athens. maybe in the next meeting, Ajax will not get the chance to win.

Previously, I also seen that Ajax was at the bottom of the table in the Eredivisie but yes, now Ajax has also improved its position slowly there. But indeed, Ajax is a team that always dominates the standings in the upper zone in the Eredivisie in every seasons, and in this season Ajax has greatly decreased performance and very bad results and it seems in all competitions too. Because after all, in the Europa League the fact that Ajax is at the bottom of group B because Ajax also has no victory at all so far in the Europa League. But even so, at least Ajax can still compete with AEK to be able to finish in third position to qualify for the play off round to the Conference League later.

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Replacing many key players should not be a reason because in terms of quality the Toulouse team is far below Liverpool and also in the domestic league the Toulouse team is in a slump right now and this is really a big surprise in this week's Europa League match, no one expected Liverpool to lose against the team. Toulouse, I lost a lot of my bets in this match.

In theory, it should be like that, playing more reserve players should not make Liverpool lose to Toulouse because the quality of the players is quite different, but the problem is that these players rarely or can even be said to never play as a team, they play more often when there are core players who have to be replaced in the middle of the match so it takes time to get cohesive as a team.

Very good point that all the reserve players Liverpool seem to have just to rest the main squad. They really don't seem to be the same team and Klopp usually prefers to play the main squad and the substitutes are hardly ever played. This time the lineup was just as experimental. but unlike the previous games in the europa league Klopp released Salah not in the very end, but now the role of joker for Liverpool was to play Diogo Jota and he almost managed to score one goal, but at the end was unlucky when Liverpool's third goal was canceled. In any case the defeat really has almost no effect on Liverpool, they are also in first place in the group.

I mean considering Liverpool is already out, it is not really a shocking result that they would not be able to actually win rest of the games if they want to. They are just way too good for that group and in fact even with the reserve squad they could have won this game if you ask me, they were a little unlucky and they lost but I think they could have won it too if they were a bit luckier.

There is a list that you have to provide to Europa in order to register some players, so not like you can bring in the worst of the bunch, these players were bench players mainly, so they do get some times here and there, not like the yare some 15 year old youth squad team, and that's why I think it looks like they could do fine. I hope that they could continue their best run so far. Liverpool looks like they may win the whole thing, but they need to take it seriously after a while, ok they did it one game, but rest of the games they should be winning.

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The defeat was not a disaster for Liverpool because Jurgen Klopp had other focuses so he chose to play his reserve players, because winning the English Premier League match is currently much more important than winning all the matches in the European League group phase because they only need one win and with two matches remaining quite confident that Liverpool will be able to achieve one win to secure a place in the knockout rounds.

After many years as a coach, Klopp is experienced enough to know at the end of a season, titles mean much. How many matches a team won in a season does not make too much sense if no title at the end. He knows that to go far in a long season, he must use his players very smartly to help them reserve their feet, avoid injuries and have as best fitness as possible when a season comes to its ending and at toughest time.

One defeat always brings some negative feeling, disappointment but at the season ending, if Liverpool can lift the Europa Cup trophy or Premier League trophy, their fans will be very happy and today defeat will be forgotten.

I think this is true about Klopp and he understands that it doesn't matter whether he plays a six win group stage with his team or not, the only thing that matters is that they get through the group stage in first place if possible and then keep going and go for the title. This won't really affect them and I also think they have played good enough to win it, they had the chances also dominated most of the game, but Toulouse was on the lucky side of things in that game and turned their chances into goals in the right moments.

Klopp doesn't really care about the result from the group stage as long as liverpool has been qualified for the next stage. It was surprising many people caused by liverpool was losing against a mediocre club and i was sure even after i aware if liverpool was not using the main squad. I must confess that while Liverpool's first team is incredibly strong, the outcome against Toulouse made me ponder over the poor performance of Liverpool's backup squad. Liverpool was not playing seriously against toulouse. It was disappointing many betters who have expected to get easy money from liverpool.
People shall never truy to bet on a club that has been securing a spot for the upcoming stage.

Klopp indeed doesnt care about the result, he cares about the attitude of the players. he knows things have to improve immediately, because the game against Toulouse is not the only game they perform that bad. in the game against against Luton, they performed really bad as well. that's not how Liverpool usually react after a bad game.

They dont usually lost when they lineup their weaker lineup before. we dont know if this has something to do with Diaz' and Salah's situation ot not, but they need to evaluate what has gone wrong lately.

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Quote from: borovichok on November 10, 2023, 06:09:22 AM

Jurgen Klopp lost, which is understandable because his players have done all the hardwork in league games. Toulouse is an average team compared to Liverpool pattern of game, they were simply lucky enough to win Liverpool, succeeded in grabbing three points against Liverpool last night. I was expecting that particular defeat coming from Liverpool, in the first place, the Reds have nothing to worry or lost because they've made tremendous countdown to the next phase of the Europa, they're absolutely not here to jeopardize any golden chances.

This match was quite surprising to many football observers and not many people predicted the defeat experienced by Liverpool. Jurgen Klopp seemed to have difficulty keeping up with Carlez Martinez's strategy because they used a pressing strategy and carried out fast attacks and it was proven that Liverpool had quite a difficult time managing the match. In terms of ball control, Liverpool may have dominated more but Toulouse was able to take advantage of the opportunities to score goals.

After Casseres scored an own goal, Liverpool players were able to continue with the second goal through Jota. Unfortunately, there were no additional goals scored by Liverpool players because Toulouse's defense and goalkeeper appeared very solid and unified. Many people believed Liverpool could get full points in every group stage match but in fact they were stopped by Toulouse.

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The defeat was not a disaster for Liverpool because Jurgen Klopp had other focuses so he chose to play his reserve players, because winning the English Premier League match is currently much more important than winning all the matches in the European League group phase because they only need one win and with two matches remaining quite confident that Liverpool will be able to achieve one win to secure a place in the knockout rounds.

After many years as a coach, Klopp is experienced enough to know at the end of a season, titles mean much. How many matches a team won in a season does not make too much sense if no title at the end. He knows that to go far in a long season, he must use his players very smartly to help them reserve their feet, avoid injuries and have as best fitness as possible when a season comes to its ending and at toughest time.

One defeat always brings some negative feeling, disappointment but at the season ending, if Liverpool can lift the Europa Cup trophy or Premier League trophy, their fans will be very happy and today defeat will be forgotten.

I think this is true about Klopp and he understands that it doesn't matter whether he plays a six win group stage with his team or not, the only thing that matters is that they get through the group stage in first place if possible and then keep going and go for the title. This won't really affect them and I also think they have played good enough to win it, they had the chances also dominated most of the game, but Toulouse was on the lucky side of things in that game and turned their chances into goals in the right moments.

Klopp doesn't really care about the result from the group stage as long as liverpool has been qualified for the next stage. It was surprising many people caused by liverpool was losing against a mediocre club and i was sure even after i aware if liverpool was not using the main squad. I must confess that while Liverpool's first team is incredibly strong, the outcome against Toulouse made me ponder over the poor performance of Liverpool's backup squad. Liverpool was not playing seriously against toulouse. It was disappointing many betters who have expected to get easy money from liverpool.
People shall never truy to bet on a club that has been securing a spot for the upcoming stage.

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Things like this really have to be done to maintain team stability, I think what Jürgen Klopp did was very right, the Liverpool team should not be stuck in just a few matches and they should be able to rotate players so that all competitions can play optimally.
IN the Europa League, Liverpool's chances of qualifying from the group are quite large, so in this match Liverpool did not field their main squad, not because they underestimated Toulouse, but all this was done for the good of the team and to maintain the stamina of the players so they don't get tired during the busy match schedule.
Liverpool must now be able to divide its focus between the Europa League and Premier League, therefore Kopp must be able to be astute and manage so that everything runs optimally.
I think Liverpool's defeat is normal, after all they have a very large percentage to qualify from the group.

Liverpool displayed a sub-par performance against Toulouse, who are currently ranked 14th in the Ligue 1 standings. Liverpool players made repeated mistakes which made it easier for Toulouse players to score goals against them. The aggressiveness of Liverpool's players doesn't look like usual at all, with the material they have the players should be able to create more opportunities that end in goals for their victory. Liverpool's recent defeat does not affect their position in the standings, but they have to be patient longer to qualify for the last 16.

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Quote from: snipie on November 09, 2023, 04:13:04 PM

Liverpool made a mistake underestimating Toulouse. I didn't expect to see Liverpool being defeated that way with 3 goals to 2. Klopp put Salah and Jota in the field at the second half where the first was able to score after 8 minutes from joining the game.

Of course, this match did not go according to Jose Mourinho's expectations. Slavia Prague even played aggressively and took the lead from the first minute. and overall until full time, Slavia managed to make 19 attempted shots, 6 of which were on target. This is in stark contrast to As Roma who were only able to make 5 shots, 2 of which were on target.

With this defeat, As Roma also has no influence in the Group because they still have the chance to qualify for the next stage with two matches remaining. I think maybe this is Jose Mourinho's strategy to rotate some players because this week they will face Lazio in Serie A.

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Roma also made a pity result after their defeat by 2 goals to 0 vs Slavia Praha. Mourinho will make things harder for Roma if they will qualify second since they will go to play-offs..

I think Liverpool is not underestimating, because Toulouse is performing well. Because Liverpool won the previous three matches, they also used player rotation. In order to maintain the team's fitness through the long season. They are more focused on the EPL league

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As I predicted in the last post, Marseille managed to strengthen its ranking in the group phase by overthrowing AEK with a final score of 0-2. is above Brigthon's warning which is in 2nd position. At least, Gennaro Gattuso was able to make his team better than before. At least, there have been changes shown by the new coach even though he has not been able to bring about significant changes in domestic competitions.
only 1 point difference from Brigthon, so Marseille must win the match when they host Ajax in the next match. Thus, the final result will be determined at the meeting of these two teams. Even then, Brigthon had to overthrow AEK first. which means, the deciding match for first place will be determined from the meeting of these two teams. Looks like it will be an exciting match if it matches my predictions.

We have reviewed the other matches, especially the favorite teams, first. Even though Liverpool lost last night's match, I still believe they will win the group. especially for Leverkusen, they performed smoothly without defeat and it seems that they will now focus more on their domestic league events. So, let's wait for the matches presented in the Europa League.

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Quote from: hd49728 on November 09, 2023, 09:20:27 PM

Liverpool did not underestimate Toulouse but they have bigger priority in this season. It's Premier League and in Europa League, one defeat against Toulouse does not affect their chance to be in a next round too much. Liverpool have experience with covering on many competitions and as consequences of such too big ambition and lack of proper resource allocation, they get many injuries for their players then the club performance affected too.

They learned some lessons and applied them in the match with Toulouse as they made good decisions to let their star players have one match to rest and come back stronger with better fitness.

Liverpool missed the privilege of qualifying for the next round with two games to spare. A win would have been better for the team to enable them to face their tight schedule in the EPL. Qualifying for the next round would have made Jürgen Klopp rest more players. Indeed the loss didn't affect their chances of qualifying since they are still the group leaders and one more win will take them to the next round. But it was clear that Liverpool was not at its best which can also make one assume that Toulouse was underrated. Individual defensive mistakes caused some of the goals Liverpool conceived and an example is Kosta Tsimikas's mishandling of the ball that led to the first goal by Donnum. Toulouse seems to have placed more importance on the Europa League than the Ligue 1 where they are in 14th position.

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Replacing many key players should not be a reason because in terms of quality the Toulouse team is far below Liverpool and also in the domestic league the Toulouse team is in a slump right now and this is really a big surprise in this week's Europa League match, no one expected Liverpool to lose against the team. Toulouse, I lost a lot of my bets in this match.

In theory, it should be like that, playing more reserve players should not make Liverpool lose to Toulouse because the quality of the players is quite different, but the problem is that these players rarely or can even be said to never play as a team, they play more often when there are core players who have to be replaced in the middle of the match so it takes time to get cohesive as a team.
The defeat was not a disaster for Liverpool because Jurgen Klopp had other focuses so he chose to play his reserve players, because winning the English Premier League match is currently much more important than winning all the matches in the European League group phase because they only need one win and with two matches remaining quite confident that Liverpool will be able to achieve one win to secure a place in the knockout rounds.

This is why I didnt feel surprised with the result. they never see Europa League as their priority, moreover, They are not under pressure to win the game to have an intense display. The game is about Toulouse have much desire to win, because they want to step further in the competition and the players want to proof them self in high stage of football. a non-cohesive liverpool team makes it easier for them to get the best result.

Liverpool right now are not in a good shape. their performance in away games this season is shocking, especially against weaker teams. Klopp needs to sort out this sooner, or this will get them disappointment.

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Quote from: rendravolt on November 10, 2023, 06:50:09 AM

Brighton managed to secure second place in group B after defeating hosts Ajax with a score of 0-2 without reply. This win was very important for Brighton after they got off to a poor start in the group stages and this result gives them a greater chance of progressing to the next round. I don't know what happened to Ajax because this team is also slumping in the domestic league and is in the relegation zone.

Ajax, which is predicted to be a candidate for the team to qualify for this group stage, seems to have to fall early, having only collected 2 points from 4 matches and has never won. Moreover, in the next match they have to face Marseille who want to secure a ticket to the next round and become group winners, so it is very unlikely that Ajax will be able to win in the next match.

Surprising, Brighton who finished 6th in the English Premier League last season and qualifed to their first ever European competition have been very impressive in the competition this season. In a team that contains Ajax and Olympic Marseille, Brighton were given slim chances of making it to the knockout stages but after four matches the English club is currently in the second position of the group B in this season's UEFA Europa League competition.
Ajax has been a shadow of themselves both in the Dutch league as well as the Europa League and I don't think they can even bounce back. Brighton will qualify to the knockout stages if they win or draw against against AEK Athens in their next fixture

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Quote from: rendravolt on November 10, 2023, 06:50:09 AM

Brighton managed to secure second place in group B after defeating hosts Ajax with a score of 0-2 without reply. This win was very important for Brighton after they got off to a poor start in the group stages and this result gives them a greater chance of progressing to the next round. I don't know what happened to Ajax because this team is also slumping in the domestic league and is in the relegation zone.

Ajax, which is predicted to be a candidate for the team to qualify for this group stage, seems to have to fall early, having only collected 2 points from 4 matches and has never won. Moreover, in the next match they have to face Marseille who want to secure a ticket to the next round and become group winners, so it is very unlikely that Ajax will be able to win in the next match.

That shouldn't be the win you call manageable, Brighton played better than Ajax even if Ajax did too but they've dropped form this season, they're no longer the counter attacking and tiki taka system like players.
Shout out to Fati he will return to Barcelona in a fine form, if he picks up, he will replace Joào Felix and Barcelona will not spend too much money on the Portuguese winger from Atletico Madrid.

In this same group, Group ( B ) Marseille has taken the top spot now with eight points. Gennaro Gattuso has now won two games and drawn one of them since his appointment has bead coach. Can he take them far this same season with his experience?

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Quote from: rendravolt on November 10, 2023, 06:50:09 AM

I don't know what happened to Ajax because this team is also slumping in the domestic league and is in the relegation zone.

in the Eredivisie, Ajax is not in the relegation zone. Currently, they are in the middle of the Eredivisie standings. even though the performance shown by the Ajax team has decreased quite a lot. That makes it quite difficult for them to compete with Brighton and Marseille, who are quite good.
Ajax have lost twice to Brighton, with the same score. even though their previous match resulted in a draw against Marseille and Athens. maybe in the next meeting, Ajax will not get the chance to win.

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Brighton managed to secure second place in group B after defeating hosts Ajax with a score of 0-2 without reply. This win was very important for Brighton after they got off to a poor start in the group stages and this result gives them a greater chance of progressing to the next round. I don't know what happened to Ajax because this team is also slumping in the domestic league and is in the relegation zone.

Ajax, which is predicted to be a candidate for the team to qualify for this group stage, seems to have to fall early, having only collected 2 points from 4 matches and has never won. Moreover, in the next match they have to face Marseille who want to secure a ticket to the next round and become group winners, so it is very unlikely that Ajax will be able to win in the next match.

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Quote from: temple on November 10, 2023, 05:23:21 AM

I think this is true about Klopp and he understands that it doesn't matter whether he plays a six win group stage with his team or not, the only thing that matters is that they get through the group stage in first place if possible and then keep going and go for the title. This won't really affect them and I also think they have played good enough to win it, they had the chances also dominated most of the game, but Toulouse was on the lucky side of things in that game and turned their chances into goals in the right moments.

Jurgen Klopp lost, which is understandable because his players have done all the hardwork in league games. Toulouse is an average team compared to Liverpool pattern of game, they were simply lucky enough to win Liverpool, succeeded in grabbing three points against Liverpool last night. I was expecting that particular defeat coming from Liverpool, in the first place, the Reds have nothing to worry or lost because they've made tremendous countdown to the next phase of the Europa, they're absolutely not here to jeopardize any golden chances.

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