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Quote from: Frankolala on September 09, 2024, 02:18:33 AM

I don't also see Tottenham winning this league and i don't put my interest on the odds given by the bookmakers because I think we might see another club winning Europa this season just as we saw Atalanta surprised everyone last season.

With the current performance of Manchester united no one can tell if they will improve in performance in the long run but if it is with what they are playing now, I don't see them in the finals. Tottenham is also unpredictable. I think it is too early to conclude.

You are right because Europa League is different from other leagues that is very easy to predict and besides that's how we predicted Liverpool and some other clubs last season to win the league and they all failed to perform well and surprisingly the least club we expected emerge as the winner, so I wouldn't argue with you about other club to surprise us this time again but for now since we have not been able to figure out the exact club we would still stick around with Tottenham Hotspur because they are the right club I can think of right now even if they are not doing well on the premier League but the Europa is different from that and we also have teams like Besiktas and Olympiacos and so many more interesting clubs that can also be very promising.

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Quote from: bering on September 09, 2024, 05:10:02 AM

For first match of League phase i can considers the match between Roma vs Bilbao is a big match this because the performance of both teams last season were very impressive and just like we know Bilbao has successfully to being an Copa Del Rey champion and they also can finish at 5th place on Laliga and for Roma although they still unable to in form in Serie A i think i still considers Roma as strong contender for the title in this competition

Both teams were never met in the real tournament so this is their first time to met in Europa League and this is home match for Roma and i am sure they will attempts to gets the winning result from this match but i have to says the outcomes of this match is hard to predicted because both teams is equally strong

Roma has prioritized the Europa most often then they have done with their domestic league and I believe it could for the fact that they have contenders they believe they can almost easily get ahead of in the Europa much more than they do in their domestic league where they even struggle to finish amongst top five so their opportunities mostly falls within the Europa to be a prestigious trophy they can hope to eventually win some day and hence they literally put in more efforts there to clinge to it some day meanwhile in their domestic league they literally make sure they settle around top five and get an opportunity to probably come back to the europa and hopefully someday they will go beyond that probably when they win the Europa league title.

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To catch up, there is as much competition in the Champions League as there is in the European League. There are some well-known teams in the Champions League who consistently perform well in this tournament, but there is no way to say that any particular team will do well in the Europa League tournament. Liverpool had the potential to do well last season but they exited the tournament long before the end of the season, unlike a team that had not lost a match in the local league tournament and had not lost a match in the Europa League tournament other than the final, they were defeated in the final match. Manchester United are considered favorites this season but it may not be the last time we see a new team win the title this season.

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For first match of League phase i can considers the match between Roma vs Bilbao is a big match this because the performance of both teams last season were very impressive and just like we know Bilbao has successfully to being an Copa Del Rey champion and they also can finish at 5th place on Laliga and for Roma although they still unable to in form in Serie A i think i still considers Roma as strong contender for the title in this competition

Both teams were never met in the real tournament so this is their first time to met in Europa League and this is home match for Roma and i am sure they will attempts to gets the winning result from this match but i have to says the outcomes of this match is hard to predicted because both teams is equally strong

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Quote from: Frankolala on September 09, 2024, 02:18:33 AM

With the current performance of Manchester united no one can tell if they will improve in performance in the long run but if it is with what they are playing now, I don't see them in the finals. Tottenham is also unpredictable. I think it is too early to conclude.

Atalanta surprised everybody last season and they were underrated but I don't think there's going to be another suprise this season. Tottenham isn't looking like they're going to win anything or they might be the surprise this season by winning a trophy through winning the Europa league but as I'm writing this, it sounds not possible to be because Tottenham aren't a serious club. They're too comfortable where they are and not try to win something for their fans. Manchester United are so unpredictable but they have a chance of winning because they get lucky always and they don't deserve that luck most times because of how badly they have use to play.

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Quote from: mammusu on September 09, 2024, 02:06:25 AM

What happened to Osimhen is indeed quite unfortunate because no matter how Osimhen is a player who has a big role in bringing Napoli to the previous champion, but we can't blame the current Napoli who have actually loaned Osimhen to the Turkish League, previously Osimhen had a strong desire to leave and Napoli agreed to this by trying to offer Osimhen to a big club, But precisely the expensive price set by Napoli is an obstacle for the team that wants to recruit Osimhen at this time, so it is not entirely Napoli fault in this case, besides that after Osimhen issued a statement of wanting to leave, of course Conte immediately replied to the statement by expecting Lukaku to be in the napoli squad at this time, we know that Conte is a firm coach and will only carry out projects with players who want to stay in the the squad he has coached so far,So it is natural with that is statement that Osimhen no longer has a place in Napoli main squad this season.

You are so contradicting your words about Napoli not having a fault in the predicament surrounding the transfer of Victor Osimhen and at same time you're still saying about how high the transfer fee placed on Victor Osimhen by his club Napoli to have been the reason why some interested big European teams that came for Osimhen couldn't get to sign the player.

As for Antonio Conte from what I am seeing, he is just one coach that is in love with the Belgium forward Romelo Lukaku whom he prefers over Victor Osimhen in his plans as Napoli's head coach. Osimhen's decision to leave Napoli came to light as a result of the statements credited to the Napoli management on their social media handle about the striker which didn't sit well with his efforts in the club so far and not actually that he wanted to leave because he was tired of playing in the Napoli team.

I think the loan move to Galatasaray makes much sense to me because its better than not being active any competition till the next window transfer of January 2025. And he may still have chance of having big clubs coming for him still.

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that's the decision that was taken, although it's a shame he didn't go to a bigger club, but at least he will still play in the Europa League. not a bad choice, or maybe the best choice with his current situation. one season will be very fast for him. improving his performance or increasing his performance is the best choice. avoid the risk of injury as little as possible. bringing Galatasaray to the Europa League trophy will really help him get a better club next season. the competition is certainly very tight, it won't be easy because there are good teams like Tottenham.

It's not easy to bring Galatasaray to the Europa League trophy because there is a lot of competition that might occur. Osimhen just needs to play consistently and avoid injury so that there will be other clubs that will see his performance. The only thing to fear is injury because he is quite susceptible to injury while playing. Furthermore, he must lower his ego in asking for a salary from the club that intends to recruit him because if he maintains it like the previous transfer market he will have difficulty finding a club. One season is not long and if he is unable to take advantage of the existing conditions, he will lose the opportunity to play at a much bigger club.

It will not be easy for Osimhen to bring Galatasaray to compete for the Europa League trophy. But the opportunity lies with Galatasaray.
It is not only Osimhen who must play consistently. But other players must also avoid receiving red cards during the match which is a bad habit of Galatasaray players. In the Champions League play-off match against Young Boys, Galatasaray received red cards in both legs. In the Turkish Super Cup final, their players also received red cards.

Playing consistently is indeed not easy throughout the competition. Especially if the match schedule is quite tight. It must be tiring for the players, which is what causes players to easily get injured.

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I think the winner of this cup could be Tottenham, the winner of the Europa League. Premier League is one of the strongest teams in the league. However, if we look at the game, they are better than Manchester United. Manchester United has almost the same rate, but I don't think they are very good in the qualifiers. They are lucky to continue in the Europa League. They could have been eliminated. Therefore, it wouldn't surprise anyone if they get a surprise defeat in some of the matches they will play in the Liga stage. Still, they are one of the favorites.

I think it is very difficult to make a prediction now... English teams play with a very intense and tiring tempo in the Premier League. That's why they can't or don't want to concentrate on these tournaments. I think it is natural that the English teams are the favorites but no English team will win this tournament. I think teams like Porto or Frankfurt, who have the characteristics of a tournament team, are the bigger favorites in this tournament. Of course, I would like to add that I am not ambitious in my prediction because it is too early to make a good prediction...

I don't also see Tottenham winning this league and i don't put my interest on the odds given by the bookmakers because I think we might see another club winning Europa this season just as we saw Atalanta surprised everyone last season.

With the current performance of Manchester united no one can tell if they will improve in performance in the long run but if it is with what they are playing now, I don't see them in the finals. Tottenham is also unpredictable. I think it is too early to conclude.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on September 09, 2024, 01:22:31 AM

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I felt for Osimhen when I discovered he eventually ended up in Galatasaray on loan and still didn't believe it until I saw him in the shirt. The Turkish club must have been the least of his expectations, no thanks to Napoli. That is what you pay for being the hero of a club that doesn't deserve you, the key player who helped them win the Seria A title after more than 30 years has suddenly become an abomination to the club, I can't just believe it. No matter what happened, there were ways to resolve matters but it was so obvious with the body language of Antonio Conte that he didn't want him anymore and even made sure that he punished him for not staying in the top-choice European club.

What happened to Osimhen is indeed quite unfortunate because no matter how Osimhen is a player who has a big role in bringing Napoli to the previous champion, but we can't blame the current Napoli who have actually loaned Osimhen to the Turkish League, previously Osimhen had a strong desire to leave and Napoli agreed to this by trying to offer Osimhen to a big club, But precisely the expensive price set by Napoli is an obstacle for the team that wants to recruit Osimhen at this time, so it is not entirely Napoli fault in this case, besides that after Osimhen issued a statement of wanting to leave, of course Conte immediately replied to the statement by expecting Lukaku to be in the napoli squad at this time, we know that Conte is a firm coach and will only carry out projects with players who want to stay in the the squad he has coached so far,So it is natural with that is statement that Osimhen no longer has a place in Napoli main squad this season.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on September 06, 2024, 03:51:31 PM

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For me, about Osimhen playing at Galatasaray it is something good because anyway, considering about the transfer rumors that previously happened about Osimhen's move to PSG, Chelsea, Arsenal and maybe some other top teams also from different leagues that failed and or did not really happen. So, if Galatasaray do not sign Osimhen it will be worse for Osimhen, because Osimhen is also no longer needed at Napoli because Conte did not include Osimhen in the Napoli squad this season.

With this case, then playing at Galatasaray remains a good choice for Osimhen because he has accepted it. Because after all, the Turkish League is also basically a competitive league and moreover, Galatasaray will also still play in the Europa League this season. Thus, there is no setback whatsoever about Osimhen because after all, at Galatasaray also only has the status of a loan player and of course, there is still a chance for Osimhen to join other top European teams when the transfer window opens again later.

Galatasaray is the remaining option for Osimhen if he wants to stay on the pitch. It wasn't a bad choice as long as he didn't get stuck there forever. At least he still has the opportunity to play in this one season and if his performance is good, then he will have the opportunity to be noticed again by big European teams. However, if he fails to shine there, then he will not have many options next season and it is possible that he will really end up in Saudi Arabia.

I still feels that Victor Osimhen's interest is in the English Premier League ,and would do everything within his powers to stay fit, so the need to joining Galatasaray became necessary, if Osimhen wanted to join the Saudi professional league, this a decision he would have been a decision he would had made earlier.

I felt for Osimhen when I discovered he eventually ended up in Galatasaray on loan and still didn't believe it until I saw him in the shirt. The Turkish club must have been the least of his expectations, no thanks to Napoli. That is what you pay for being the hero of a club that doesn't deserve you, the key player who helped them win the Seria A title after more than 30 years has suddenly become an abomination to the club, I can't just believe it. No matter what happened, there were ways to resolve matters but it was so obvious with the body language of Antonio Conte that he didn't want him anymore and even made sure that he punished him for not staying in the top-choice European club.

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Quote from: hyudien on September 08, 2024, 09:41:31 PM

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Most likely Manchester United may continue like this for the rest of the season both in the premier league and the Europa and my reason for this, is simply because I have watched and seen that so far in the last three seasons under the leadership of ten hag, the patterns is yet to change and this season now been the third actually he's started off with very similar strategies he's been using all along and the results obviously aren't even lieing so I don't know how to think otherwise except they use the remaining half of the season to prove otherwise. Although the Europa teams may not appear really strong, but been mindful of them is very key because even last season at the Europa our expectations were not met by the two biggest teams considered favorites, rather an almost underdog did the magic so Manchester United isn't safe if they are thinking they are going to have a much easier competition at the Europa.

I have the same view as you where I see Manchester United under Erik Ten Hag tending not to improve. At first they showed a hope where at that time they managed to be in a good position and could qualify for the Champions League in Erik Ten Hag's first season handling Manchester United. But in the next season they had to slump and even in the Champions League itself they had to be at the bottom of the standings, as well as in the English League they could not do anything. Many fans are starting to question Erik Ten Hag's capacity, but Manchester United has kept him until now. I think this is the last chance given by Manchester United. Because if they play badly again and Manchester United still keeps him, then I will question the reasons behind it all.

Manchester United is not able to play well this season. Manchester United have lost two out of three matches. We expected to see a better performance from Manchester United this season. But this season, Manchester United seems to be even weaker than in previous seasons. Winning the Europa League title will not be easy for Manchester United.

Ten Hag was unable to make any progress on this team. Manchester United's defense is very weak. At the same time, Manchester United's forward players are not performing well due to strange match tactics.

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Quote from: trendcoin on September 08, 2024, 09:01:05 AM

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I think the winner of this cup could be Tottenham, the winner of the Europa League. Premier League is one of the strongest teams in the league. However, if we look at the game, they are better than Manchester United. Manchester United has almost the same rate, but I don't think they are very good in the qualifiers. They are lucky to continue in the Europa League. They could have been eliminated. Therefore, it wouldn't surprise anyone if they get a surprise defeat in some of the matches they will play in the Liga stage. Still, they are one of the favorites.

I think it is very difficult to make a prediction now... English teams play with a very intense and tiring tempo in the Premier League. That's why they can't or don't want to concentrate on these tournaments. I think it is natural that the English teams are the favorites but no English team will win this tournament. I think teams like Porto or Frankfurt, who have the characteristics of a tournament team, are the bigger favorites in this tournament. Of course, I would like to add that I am not ambitious in my prediction because it is too early to make a good prediction...

English clubs are undoubtedly always favorites in UEFA competitions whether it's the Champions League, Europa League or Europa Conference League, but the Europa League and Europa Conference League are different, sometimes the results are not in accordance with the initial predictions, favorite clubs do not necessarily achieve good results, even last season Liverpool, who had a great chance of winning the Europa League title, had to stop in the middle of the road and in the end the champion was not the club that was favored from the start. In addition, we have not started the Europa League season and the knockout rounds of clubs that are relegated from the Champions League will be relegated to the Europa League so it is very difficult to predict who will be the winner at the end of the season.

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Quote from: Weawant on September 08, 2024, 05:59:20 PM

Most likely Manchester United may continue like this for the rest of the season both in the premier league and the Europa and my reason for this, is simply because I have watched and seen that so far in the last three seasons under the leadership of ten hag, the patterns is yet to change and this season now been the third actually he's started off with very similar strategies he's been using all along and the results obviously aren't even lieing so I don't know how to think otherwise except they use the remaining half of the season to prove otherwise. Although the Europa teams may not appear really strong, but been mindful of them is very key because even last season at the Europa our expectations were not met by the two biggest teams considered favorites, rather an almost underdog did the magic so Manchester United isn't safe if they are thinking they are going to have a much easier competition at the Europa.

I have the same view as you where I see Manchester United under Erik Ten Hag tending not to improve. At first they showed a hope where at that time they managed to be in a good position and could qualify for the Champions League in Erik Ten Hag's first season handling Manchester United. But in the next season they had to slump and even in the Champions League itself they had to be at the bottom of the standings, as well as in the English League they could not do anything. Many fans are starting to question Erik Ten Hag's capacity, but Manchester United has kept him until now. I think this is the last chance given by Manchester United. Because if they play badly again and Manchester United still keeps him, then I will question the reasons behind it all.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on September 08, 2024, 01:55:32 AM

that's the decision that was taken, although it's a shame he didn't go to a bigger club, but at least he will still play in the Europa League. not a bad choice, or maybe the best choice with his current situation. one season will be very fast for him. improving his performance or increasing his performance is the best choice. avoid the risk of injury as little as possible. bringing Galatasaray to the Europa League trophy will really help him get a better club next season. the competition is certainly very tight, it won't be easy because there are good teams like Tottenham.

It's not easy to bring Galatasaray to the Europa League trophy because there is a lot of competition that might occur. Osimhen just needs to play consistently and avoid injury so that there will be other clubs that will see his performance. The only thing to fear is injury because he is quite susceptible to injury while playing. Furthermore, he must lower his ego in asking for a salary from the club that intends to recruit him because if he maintains it like the previous transfer market he will have difficulty finding a club. One season is not long and if he is unable to take advantage of the existing conditions, he will lose the opportunity to play at a much bigger club.

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Quote from: xzone on September 08, 2024, 01:01:53 PM

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With this performance level, Manchester United aren't achieving anything in the Europa League. It looks clear to me. The only interesting to me is that they have signed really good defenders lately. But for now they can't get efficiency. I'm just begging them to get Ugarte to replace Casemiro as soon as possible. Erik ten Hag, please do this. Roll Eyes

Casemiro is terrible unfortunately...

Mazraoui didn't start badly but de Ligt has. Sad

But I believe in him to adapt in time also. Of course they could have built a stronger squad than this too but with the current one they can still be very competitive for the EL title.

Do you think their performance will continue like this? I think they can get better. The squad is not bad at all, I don't think there is any reason for this team to be this bad. The teams in the Europa League are not very strong. They may have a hard time against Porto in the upcoming matches, but we can say that they are much stronger against teams like Twente and Fenerbahçe. Let's see what they can do in the coming weeks

Most likely Manchester United may continue like this for the rest of the season both in the premier league and the Europa and my reason for this, is simply because I have watched and seen that so far in the last three seasons under the leadership of ten hag, the patterns is yet to change and this season now been the third actually he's started off with very similar strategies he's been using all along and the results obviously aren't even lieing so I don't know how to think otherwise except they use the remaining half of the season to prove otherwise. Although the Europa teams may not appear really strong, but been mindful of them is very key because even last season at the Europa our expectations were not met by the two biggest teams considered favorites, rather an almost underdog did the magic so Manchester United isn't safe if they are thinking they are going to have a much easier competition at the Europa.

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Quote from: bitgolden on September 08, 2024, 12:31:51 PM

Baris Alper, Ziyech are the two we know from them playing for so long, and they have two players that are bench players as well, I think those will be fine as well. I believe that it is going to be not that much wing focused team though, they will probably play 3-5-2 as many of the pundits say, in which case things could change a lot more.

Under Mancini, when Galatasaray played 3-5-2, the squad was full of very good players. However, in this period, the 3-5-2 tactic they will play in order not to offend the players will harm Galatasaray. At the moment, Galatasaray's game tactic is based on one player and I don't think Okan Buruk can succeed in this system.

In my opinion, Osimhen transfer was a transfer that disrupted the whole balance of Galatasaray’s game. This tactic can be successful in Super League but not in European cups. I think Galatasaray is weak in terms of squad depth and in case of possible player injuries and suspensions, the 3-5-2 tactic is an inconvenient tactic. Okan Buruk has a tough season ahead of him and time will tell how he will get the best out of the squad I have. This season could be Okan Buruk's last season.

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Quote from: Distraction on September 08, 2024, 11:39:40 AM

With this performance level, Manchester United aren't achieving anything in the Europa League. It looks clear to me. The only interesting to me is that they have signed really good defenders lately. But for now they can't get efficiency. I'm just begging them to get Ugarte to replace Casemiro as soon as possible. Erik ten Hag, please do this. Roll Eyes

Casemiro is terrible unfortunately...

Mazraoui didn't start badly but de Ligt has. Sad

But I believe in him to adapt in time also. Of course they could have built a stronger squad than this too but with the current one they can still be very competitive for the EL title.

Do you think their performance will continue like this? I think they can get better. The squad is not bad at all, I don't think there is any reason for this team to be this bad. The teams in the Europa League are not very strong. They may have a hard time against Porto in the upcoming matches, but we can say that they are much stronger against teams like Twente and Fenerbahçe. Let's see what they can do in the coming weeks

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Quote from: Distraction on September 08, 2024, 11:39:40 AM

With this performance level, Manchester United aren't achieving anything in the Europa League. It looks clear to me. The only interesting to me is that they have signed really good defenders lately. But for now they can't get efficiency. I'm just begging them to get Ugarte to replace Casemiro as soon as possible. Erik ten Hag, please do this. Roll Eyes

Casemiro is terrible unfortunately...

Mazraoui didn't start badly but de Ligt has. Sad

But I believe in him to adapt in time also. Of course they could have built a stronger squad than this too but with the current one they can still be very competitive for the EL title.

I wonder if you've been watching the back of your television. If you say De Ligt has started badly, what would you say about Harry Maguire? De Ligt has done nothing wrong. He did well against Liverpool, forget the fact that they lost that game, the main blame for that game should be Casemiro, who lost ball possession and also made double blunders that lead to that second goal. Mazraoui had a great debut, he is indeed a good upgrade of Aaron Wan Bisakka.
It's not about benching Casemiro for Manual Ugarte. Erik Ten Hag should know when to drop Marcus Rashford on the bench and start with Garnacho and Amad Diallo on both wings. They've shown us all that they've got wjatnit takes to be in the first eleven. Improvements would be seen immediately they're done with the International break. Manchester United need to start preparing a new replacement for Casemiro, it's time he leaves the club good for good. They have enough time to plan for the European Europa League Competition.

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Quote from: W Jr. on September 08, 2024, 08:11:21 AM

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Europa League winner odds have been announced. Some of them are as below.

Tottenham are the biggest favourite. Manchester United follow them right behind but I don't like their game at all for now. As for Turkish teams, Galatasaray and Fenerbahçe are given the same chance. But as for Beşiktaş, they have 41.00 odds. They are also doing really well in fact especially after bringing van Bronckhorst as their new coach and signing great players such as Immobile and Rafa Silva.

I think this is mainly because we could be judging from the performance of Tottenham last season and looking at the fact that except for Manchester United and a few others, most of the teams qualified for the Europa aren't coming from a very competitive domestic league. Manchester United is supposed to be the biggest rivals alongside Tottenham but their performance so far hasn't been really encouraging enough to see them in that regards, when Manchester United started off the season with a victory in their first game, it aroused some beliefs they could get better by the season but not long after they are displaying weakness already and this is in their domestic league so it raises doubts if they are going to perform well in the Europa.

I think the winner of this cup could be Tottenham, the winner of the Europa League. Premier League is one of the strongest teams in the league. However, if we look at the game, they are better than Manchester United. Manchester United has almost the same rate, but I don't think they are very good in the qualifiers. They are lucky to continue in the Europa League. They could have been eliminated. Therefore, it wouldn't surprise anyone if they get a surprise defeat in some of the matches they will play in the Liga stage. Still, they are one of the favorites.

Being an second favourite don't mean will be automatically became an the champion and as far i know Tottenham was never able to win the trophy from this competition although they are one of the favourite team but i personally highly doubt they will be the winner of this season besides that i think it's too early to says Tottenham will gets the trophy from this competition because new season hasn't started yet

But i was interested about their performance in League phase because seems their journey will not be easy and according to their fixtures i have seen Tottenham will facing several strong opponents such as AZ Alkmaar, Rangers, Roma and Galatasary so i am interested to know whether Tottenham can able to beat these teams or not

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Quote from: Distraction on September 08, 2024, 11:39:40 AM

Mazraoui didn't start badly but de Ligt has. Sad

But I believe in him to adapt in time also. Of course they could have built a stronger squad than this too but with the current one they can still be very competitive for the EL title.

I don't know what was in Casimero head when he left Real Madrid that way and deciding to play i'in a fluctuating team like Manchester United which has a problem to improve players performance and many of their stars decline over time..
Ten Hag wasn't that successful too with the team but I think that most of the other coaches won't make Manchester United any better.
UEFA Europa League title doesn't have big names. There is Tottenham Hotspur, Roma, Real Sociedad, Olympiakos, Frankfurt and Bilbao that look more favourite than the rest, with most of them dropping a lot since the beginning of the season..

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