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Quote from: Barcode_ on August 02, 2019, 07:20:37 PM

Quote from: buwaytress on August 01, 2019, 11:12:18 AM

@Barcode: odds are above 30/1 for Wolves to lose, but they're too good not to at least get a draw if their opponents park the bus, eh?

I managed to win a small amount of money by placing my bets on Wolverhampton Wanderers to win the match in full time, but the odds payout is extremely low for Wolverhampton Wanderers, and I was quite shocked when Crusaders F.C. managed to score the first goal against Wolverhampton Wanderers in the match. Luckily Wolverhampton Wanderers are still clearly the stronger and much better team, even though they make a mistake by conceding an own goal in their own net, but they still managed to beat Crusaders F.C. by scoring 4 goals easily playing away from home.

Yeah, games like that are worth betting on the favourite live, after they concede. They're still to me the team most likely to break into top 4 outside of the top 6, and they will enjoy the early games of Europa for sure... next up is Pyunik in a few days and I admit I have no idea where they're from!

Tonight's games, if I wanted to throw money (which I usually do heh but not tonight), I'd go for a tasty parlay of over 8/1 all 3 home wins. Anyone think there are smarter bets?

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Quote from: buwaytress on August 01, 2019, 11:12:18 AM

@Barcode: odds are above 30/1 for Wolves to lose, but they're too good not to at least get a draw if their opponents park the bus, eh?

I managed to win a small amount of money by placing my bets on Wolverhampton Wanderers to win the match in full time, but the odds payout is extremely low for Wolverhampton Wanderers, and I was quite shocked when Crusaders F.C. managed to score the first goal against Wolverhampton Wanderers in the match. Luckily Wolverhampton Wanderers are still clearly the stronger and much better team, even though they make a mistake by conceding an own goal in their own net, but they still managed to beat Crusaders F.C. by scoring 4 goals easily playing away from home.

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Quote from: Barcode_ on August 01, 2019, 10:24:09 AM

Crusaders F.C. played very bad against Wolverhampton Wanderers in the last match, and I do not think Crusaders F.C. would have any chances to progress to the next stage even with the support of their home fans today. But I guess Wolverhampton Wanderers might field a much more defensive formation today as Crusaders F.C. would have to attack aggressively right from the start of the match in order to score goals, and this would allow Wolverhampton Wanderers to launch a counterattack when the players of Crusaders F.C. mess up their defense.

I think that Crusaders will park the bus again. I hardly imagine amateur team can play against solid EPL team. Such tactics would mean that they will concede 5-6 goals. I doubt that Crusaders are thinking about next round, they will probably focus on how to concede not many goals.

@buwaytress, Astana won 4-1, but looking at stats, seems it was difficult match. It strange to see team which playing in Europa league group stage almost every season struggling against team from Andorra.
Imade lot of bets today, I'm looking for Zorya, Torino, Apollon, Luzern, Sturm Graz and Utrecht wins. Ihope there won't be many unexpected results Cheesy

EDIT. So, there are some surprising results again - Riga FC kicked out Polish champions Piast, Pyunik Yerevan eliminated Jablonec, Utrecht got eliminated Zrinjski.
Eintracht had another difficult match against Flora, but managed to win.

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@Barcode: odds are above 30/1 for Wolves to lose, but they're too good not to at least get a draw if their opponents park the bus, eh?

Sniffing any upsets anyone? I'm putting a rather low-value 4/1 bet on Utrecht to lose away to Bosnian mid-table opposition tonight but I wonder if our old friends Shamrock are ready to spring another shock? They did win me a good upset last round...

Astana are seriously not doing themselves any favours. I bet against them on something like 20/1 last week (still lost, 0-0 draw), and now they needed a penalty to go 1-1. Shocking if they go out.

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Quote from: Harkorede on July 26, 2019, 03:12:17 AM

Occasionally, pure brilliance and talents do pay off too. That was the case with Ajax in 2018/19 Season, they were one of least valuable team but did pull off great wins against several money giants in the UCL.

The big teams use the money at their disposal to acquire the most talented and brilliant players, making their teams mostly untouchable to the smaller teams.
Just like i said before, it's not to say upsets do not happen, but hardly do they, in the case of Ajax and a few other teams mentioned above they have actually managed to pull off a few upsets here and there, but they can hardly claim the title, except on rare occasions that would hardly ever repeat itself.

Quote from: joniboini on July 31, 2019, 01:24:42 AM

I've read a good analysis of Liverpool financial conditions which more or less tells that they've decided to have a quiet transfer window at this moment and will probably spend more in the next transfer window. They decided to use the money for something else.

And that was the sort of transfer business i expected from Liverpool this window, they had defensive issues the last time and went all out breaking the bank to get Virgil and I think they are reaping the dividends, I think they are strong in almost all areas and need not spend so much in this transfer window.

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Crusaders F.C. played very bad against Wolverhampton Wanderers in the last match, and I do not think Crusaders F.C. would have any chances to progress to the next stage even with the support of their home fans today. But I guess Wolverhampton Wanderers might field a much more defensive formation today as Crusaders F.C. would have to attack aggressively right from the start of the match in order to score goals, and this would allow Wolverhampton Wanderers to launch a counterattack when the players of Crusaders F.C. mess up their defense.

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Quote from: buwaytress on July 30, 2019, 02:32:13 PM

And I hope I'm not shooting myself in the foot but Liverpool have spent all of 1.5 mill while Aston Villa have now racked up 100 mill.

I've read a good analysis of Liverpool financial conditions which more or less tells that they've decided to have a quiet transfer window at this moment and will probably spend more in the next transfer window. They decided to use the money for something else.

Quote from: buwaytress on July 30, 2019, 02:32:13 PM

So it isn't totally about money, yes, we're entitled to be cynical, but we've seen recent fairytales like Spurs in the final, Ajax in the Semis, and Leicester dancing to the title.

I don't believe they're fairytales, to be honest. They worked hard like crazy to turn conditions and win their matches. They deserved that spot.

Quote from: Harkorede on July 26, 2019, 03:12:17 AM

Money is a huge factor for success in football these days, but if only spent the right way.

Yeah, it's so rare to see one man one club again these days. No more manga-style football in real life.

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@Coyster and @Harko: don't forget, Tottenham were finalists and an outsider for other honours too even as later as Christmas... all without spending anything.

And I hope I'm not shooting myself in the foot but Liverpool have spent all of 1.5 mill while Aston Villa have now racked up 100 mill.

So it isn't totally about money, yes, we're entitled to be cynical, but we've seen recent fairytales like Spurs in the final, Ajax in the Semis, and Leicester dancing to the title.

Romance isn't completely gone;)

@BitcoinArena: Actually, Ajax have been spending outside of norm the last 2 seasons... they are apparently tired of always rebuilding, good for them!

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Quote from: Harkorede on July 26, 2019, 03:12:17 AM

Quote from: Coyster on July 26, 2019, 12:13:46 AM

I usually tell my friends that modern football is run by money, this days all top teams spend so much money on players, even 'traditional" clubs like Manchester United and Barcelona, who hardly spend so much on players previously, have joined the trend, the football market has been heightened, so to stay as a top club, you must spend crazily, thus making it so difficult for the smaller teams to compete.

Occasionally, pure brilliance and talents do pay off too. That was the case with Ajax in 2018/19 Season, they were one of least valuable team but did pull off great wins against several money giants in the UCL.

Money is a huge factor for success in football these days, but if only spent the right way.

True, Monaco too? i think it was the 2016/17 season where they were so brilliant. The also won the French league ahead of PSG. The team was so good but the next summer please would get bought by other clubs and before we realized it Monaco was almost relegated last season.

This is the same trend i have observed with Ajax. Most of it's star players are on the market and within two seasons, Ajax will be back to rebuilding once again

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Quote from: Coyster on July 26, 2019, 12:13:46 AM

I usually tell my friends that modern football is run by money, this days all top teams spend so much money on players, even 'traditional" clubs like Manchester United and Barcelona, who hardly spend so much on players previously, have joined the trend, the football market has been heightened, so to stay as a top club, you must spend crazily, thus making it so difficult for the smaller teams to compete.

Occasionally, pure brilliance and talents do pay off too. That was the case with Ajax in 2018/19 Season, they were one of least valuable team but did pull off great wins against several money giants in the UCL.

Money is a huge factor for success in football these days, but if only spent the right way.

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Quote from: royalfestus on July 23, 2019, 01:34:55 PM

For those fixtures, anyone that qualifies is just adding to the list, they wont go far. sometimes history might look irrelevant but not in football

Definitely not all teams that make it to a tournament expect to win it, a lot come as underdogs while the big teams enter as the favorites.
Smaller teams do hope they can upset the big boys though, but in the European club competition, it hardly happens.

Quote from: royalfestus on July 23, 2019, 01:34:55 PM

The top teams are not only buying the best player but manage them with the best resources, medical, technical and improved football science, good coaching crew that these teams cant ever afford

I usually tell my friends that modern football is run by money, this days all top teams spend so much money on players, even 'traditional" clubs like Manchester United and Barcelona, who hardly spend so much on players previously, have joined the trend, the football market has been heightened, so to stay as a top club, you must spend crazily, thus making it so difficult for the smaller teams to compete.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on July 25, 2019, 05:13:24 PM

Lot of matches has been played tonight and like always there was some interesting results.
Arsenal (not from London lol) lost to Neftchi at home 0:1, Pyunik Yerevan won against Jablonec 2:1, Utrecht didn't managed to win against Zrinjski.
Speaking about big clubs (Wolves, Rangers, Strasbourg, Torino) reached comfortbable wins. Only Eintracht had difficult match and won against Flora 2:1 away.
And match of the day is Gent vs Vitorul Constanta which ended 6:3 - 9 goals scored in total! Probably it was fun to watch.

Must have been fun to watch for sure... I usually love matches that have some good amounts of goals from both sides. Basing on the few results you put up, looks like there weren't so many upsets and most big dogs didn't face any difficulty going through

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Lot of matches has been played tonight and like always there was some interesting results.
Arsenal (not from London lol) lost to Neftchi at home 0:1, Pyunik Yerevan won against Jablonec 2:1, Utrecht didn't managed to win against Zrinjski.
Speaking about big clubs (Wolves, Rangers, Strasbourg, Torino) reached comfortbable wins. Only Eintracht had difficult match and won against Flora 2:1 away.
And match of the day is Gent vs Vitorul Constanta which ended 6:3 - 9 goals scored in total! Probably it was fun to watch.

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@LTU: Well done to your team, I knew we had some people playing here from these leagues, let's see how far you get, I don't know anything about Suduva but a few seasons ago I didn't know a lot of teams until they made it through to latter stages =)

@Harko: TNS won me a nice one in the previous round but I picked a few teams and only one underdog won (Dudelange) so made up for that shitty performance from my side!

Finely balanced for a few of the teams, interesting odds for 2nd leg sure to come up!

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Just like I predicted PSV vs Basel has been an interesting game so far, Basel are 1 - 2 up with few minutes to go. They'll get a good advantage If they can secure the win here away from home.

I already lost my bet on The New Saints as they are currently 2 goals down to Copenhagen, 7 minutes to go in the match as well.

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I usually do not bet on tournaments I do not actively follow up and the pre qualifiers to the Europa league is one of them. The qualifiers proper would kick off at the start of the season when clubs would have returned from their preseason tours.
That would spicing up the tournament and attract more bookies and more exciting odds.

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For those fixtures, anyone that qualifies is just adding to the list, they wont go far. sometimes history might look irrelevant but not in football. The top teams are not only buying the best player but manage them with the best resources, medical, technical and improved football science, good coaching crew that these teams cant ever afford. Playing in big stadium is also intimidating if players are not used to it. I hope the thread can last the 2020 season

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Quote from: buwaytress on July 23, 2019, 12:12:51 PM

Such a swing in odds. Ararat Armenia were 20/1 to win their last game in CL (now dropped to Europa), and today after progressing their opponents are 15/1. Is there really a huge difference between Lincoln Red Imps and AIK besides one plays in Champs League and the other in Europa? 2-0 at 55 mins seems to say, yep!

Any of you actually got a team you like at this stage?

I don't have a favorite team in the stage. However, there are a couple of fixtures I'm looking forward to in this round; today's being PSV vs Basel It's quite an even match up, and I don't know which team to bet on.

I also have made a risky bet.
I took The New Saints to win against Copenhagen @ 13.5 odds

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Quote from: buwaytress on July 23, 2019, 12:12:51 PM

Any of you actually got a team you like at this stage?

I like Suduva, mainly because it;s club from my country. In Champions league they were very close to kick outCrvena Zvezda, but wasted chances to score in first match cost them place in the next round. Clubs from my country never played in Champions/Europa league group stage, but I hope that Suduva finally will reach it. Today they will play against Tre Penne from San Marino, which shouldn't be difficult opponent.

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Such a swing in odds. Ararat Armenia were 20/1 to win their last game in CL (now dropped to Europa), and today after progressing their opponents are 15/1. Is there really a huge difference between Lincoln Red Imps and AIK besides one plays in Champs League and the other in Europa? 2-0 at 55 mins seems to say, yep!

Any of you actually got a team you like at this stage?

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