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Junior dos Santos looks too old for me. Why do he keep on going on the fence? Now, the champion has more than adequate proof that he has become the best fighter in the division with this win. I think the Heavy Weight division is not pretty stack up, so i guess Stipe could be the champion for a long time. Fabricio Werdum and Alistair Overeem will square it off in UFC 2013, this could determine who he sees next, but he has already beaten both.

I think this should be it for jds. I agree that watching him, he's a bit too sluggish being a fan, it pains me see him get beat like that. and yeah the heavyweight division isn't that exciting anymore compared to the prime of jds, cain and even brock. perhaps randy couture  would consider coming back again LOL
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Junior dos Santos looks too old for me. Why do he keep on going on the fence? Now, the champion has more than adequate proof that he has become the best fighter in the division with this win. I think the Heavy Weight division is not pretty stack up, so i guess Stipe could be the champion for a long time. Fabricio Werdum and Alistair Overeem will square it off in UFC 2013, this could determine who he sees next, but he has already beaten both.
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Frankie Edgar beat the crap out of Yair Rodriguez and i really feel bad for him to take this fight because he was not ready to face a warrior like Edgar and this loss could stop the momentum of Rodriguez and the swelling he had in his eyes was horrifying.

Rofl.  Yup.  After what Edgar has done to his face, I think he'll have to take a break away from fighting for a while.  He isn't ready for the top guys yet.  Lost my bet on this one.

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Miocic just knocked JDS cold in the first round and it looks like the belt is staying with him for a long time.

I was 50/50 on this one.  At one point I felt that exact outcome would happen.
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I am yet to watch all the fights as the telecast i was watching was interrupted many times,Dos Santos came with a good game plan as he was kicking the legs of Miocic real hard and it looked like Miocic was hurt and i really thought that JDS will win the fight but Miocic started connecting really well and knocked him out with a beautiful right hand in the first round.
Poor Yair Rodriguez got his ass kicked real bad by Frankie,it was a brutal fight and i want to see how this loss will affect his future fights.
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Everyone expected a five round brawl like the first fight and no one expected this to be a short fight and it is a real validation that he is the best heavyweight and could knock anyone out and i would really like to see him fight Cain Velasquez and i would like to see how he matches up with a wrestling based fighter.
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Frankie Edgar beat the crap out of Yair Rodriguez and i really feel bad for him to take this fight because he was not ready to face a warrior like Edgar and this loss could stop the momentum of Rodriguez and the swelling he had in his eyes was horrifying. Miocic just knocked JDS cold in the first round and it looks like the belt is staying with him for a long time.
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Watch the weigh ins and the face offs.  I think between the Polish girl, JJ and Jessica Andrade, the former has the psychological edge.  I was gonna add a bet on Andrade but I changed my mind.
Another thing is Yair Rodriguez.  I hate it when a fighter acts like his upcoming bout is a walk in the park.  It could mean he's not mentally ready to take on his opponent.  Michelle Waterson did this, and in interviews she was acting like the win was already in the bag and was already thinking 'title shot'.
The confidence of Yair Rodriguez is at an all time high after he destroyed B.J. Penn and he is a young kid and has a good promising future ,i like his unorthodox fighting style and even i think it is too early for him to face Frankie Edgar and he really thinks it is an easy fight with the way he delivers his interviews.I am wagging my bet on Frankie Edgar to win the match .
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Watch the weigh ins and the face offs.  I think between the Polish girl, JJ and Jessica Andrade, the former has the psychological edge.  I was gonna add a bet on Andrade but I changed my mind.

Another thing is Yair Rodriguez.  I hate it when a fighter acts like his upcoming bout is a walk in the park.  It could mean he's not mentally ready to take on his opponent.  Michelle Waterson did this, and in interviews she was acting like the win was already in the bag and was already thinking 'title shot'.

UFC 211:  Official Weigh-ins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkQpfgclruo

Stipe Miocic (246) vs. Junior dos Santos (245)
Joanna Jedrzejczyk (115) vs. Jessica Andrade (114.5)
Demian Maia (170.5) vs. Jorge Masvidal (171)
Frankie Edgar (145.5) vs. Yair Rodriguez (146)
David Branch (185) vs. Krzysztof Jotko (185)
Eddie Alvarez (156) vs. Dustin Poirier (156)
Chas Skelly (146) vs. Jason Knight (146)
Jared Gordon (Scratched) vs. Michel Quinones (145.5)
Marco Polo Reyes (154) vs. James Vick (156)
Jessica Aguilar (115) vs. Cortney Casey (116)
Chase Sherman (250) vs. Rashad Coulter (241)
Gabriel Benitez (145.5) vs. Enrique Barzola (146)
Joachim Christensen (204.5) vs. Gadzhimurad Antigulov (204)
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I saw the Overeem vs Miocic fight again recently and he looked great, but Overeem was just too sloppy, and he still managed to catch him a couple of times.

If Dos Santos has a good night he has serious opportunities to defeat Stipe. I may not even bet on this fight because I can't decide on the outcome.

That's how I see it, too. I have JDS winning. Stipe is a tough guy and a good athlete. It could be a close fight. But right now JDS looks to have the advantage.

Andrade vs Joanna, Alvarez vs Poirier and a lot of the fights on the card could be very close as well.

Tough to pick a winner.
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I saw the Overeem vs Miocic fight again recently and he looked great, but Overeem was just too sloppy, and he still managed to catch him a couple of times.

If Dos Santos has a good night he has serious opportunities to defeat Stipe. I may not even bet on this fight because I can't decide on the outcome.
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Hey krach nice to see you back.  Smiley

Since you already made your picks, you can start watching these videos now for entertainment value and to get more pumped for the event.  I hope the main event lives up to the hype.

Another Dan Hardy breakdown.  These are always very informative.  Watch iiiit!

UFC 211: Inside the Octagon - Joanna Jedrzejczyk vs Jessica Andrade
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h717X-Bj_MU

Here are episodes two and three of UFC Embedded.  Enjoy!  Wink

UFC 211 Embedded Episode 2
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q-0V9Ev5D24

UFC 211 Embedded Episode 3
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2j6RT3CDIMw

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@ krach JDS is a good pick and the heavy weight division never had a champion who could defend the belt more than twice in the history of UFC,so it is  a possibility as both are good at striking .
One fight is called off from this card Sergio Pettis vs Henry Cejudo which i thought was an easy pick got shelved because Henry Cejudo suffered an injury and he pulled out of the fight,hope we wont see more fights getting cancelled.
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^ Interesting breakdowns.  Can you tell us point by point why you disagree with some of them?  It might prove valuable from a betting standpoint.

I could see Gabriel Benitez and Jessica Aguilar winning their fights. Mmamania could be wrong on those two calls. Benitez is a good fighter training out of a good gym at American Kickboxing Academy. I don't know if Enrique Barzola has the same kind of team or training partners if he's still living Peru. Aguilar is getting up there in age but she could win her fight off of likely having better coaches and a better team than Cortney Casey does.

Not certain about the other breakdowns, I've never seen any of the new people fight before.

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Hey guys this is going to be a great card!

For the two main events I am going with both underdogs and the over 1.5 / over 3.5
JDS win - over 1.5 rounds and Andrage win - over 3.5 rounds
Here I wrote a breakdown of my picks:
https://degenbet.com/ufc-211-betting-picks/


In this video we discuss those and some more fights.
You can get different viewpoints from Vix and Philip who joined me in the discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV6OWzGAPOc&feature=youtu.be

If you would like to get more picks then send me PM about joining my private picks channel

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^ Interesting breakdowns.  Can you tell us point by point why you disagree with some of them?  It might prove valuable from a betting standpoint.
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UFC 211 MMA mania prelim write ups

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115 lbs.: Jessica Aguilar vs. Cortney Casey

Jessica Aguilar (19-5) came back from her controversial loss to Zoila Frausto in Bellator to win 10 straight, including a decision against Carla Esparza and two decisions over the legendary Megumi Fujii. That pedigree wasn’t enough to save her from Claudia Gadelha, who overpowered “Jag” in the latter’s UFC debut.
This will be her first fight since Oct. 2015 thanks to a torn ACL.
Cortney Casey (6-4) came up short in her first two UFC bouts against Joanne Calderwood and Seo Hee Ham, winning “Fight of the Night” both times, but showed dramatic improvement in dominant wins over Cristina Stanciu and Randa Markos. This set up a fight with Gadelha, who delighted the Brazilian crowd while handing Casey her third UFC defeat.
She will have three inches of height and four inches of reach on Aguilar.
This fight boils entirely down to how much the layoff affects Aguilar. Casey has parlayed her size, strength and mean streak into some solid performances, but the wrestling and experience disparities are just too much for her present skillset to overcome. Heck, Aguilar first fought Fujii a year before Casey’s professional debut.
Casey doesn’t have enough to fall back on when Plan A (physically overpowering Aguilar) inevitably goes south. Aguilar out-grapples her on the way to her first UFC victory.
Prediction: Aguilar def. Casey via unanimous decision

145 lbs.: Jared Gordon vs. Michel Quinones

Jared “Flash” Gordon (12-1) — though not the SAVIOR OF THE UNIVERSE — rebounded from his first career loss to Jeff Lentz by winning the CFFC Featherweight title. In his first defense, he impressed Dana White and Co. enough to be the latest “Lookin’ for a Fight” acquisition.
He has knocked out five opponents and submitted another two.
A striker out of American Top Team, Michel Quinones (8-1) knocked out three consecutive opponents in the first round, including The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 22 competitor Billy Quarantillo, to earn a call up to Titan FC. There, he picked up just his second decision win over previously unbeaten Caio Uruguai.
He was originally set to debut in February against Alexander Volkanovski before suffering an injury.
There’s not much out there on Gordon save highlights, but thankfully, Fight Pass has Quinones’ last fight. “El Capo” is an aggressive, powerful striker with a tricky left leg, but has a tendency to rush forward when attacking in combination and open himself up to counters. What I can piece together of Gordon suggests a strong wrestler with pop in his hands.
While they’re both solid, Gordon gets my tentative nod. He looks capable on the counter and — though Quinones’ takedown defense looked stout — those charges are just begging for a well-timed double-leg takedown. Gordon mixes striking and takedowns for a decision win.
Prediction: Gordon via unanimous decision

265 lbs.: Chase Sherman vs. Rashad Coulter

Chase Sherman (9-3) entered UFC with nine first-round knockouts in 10 fights, the sole loss coming to current UFC competitor Alex Nicholson. He has struggled to recreate that success in UFC, dropping a wide decision to Justin Ledet in his debut and suffering a knockout to fellow physical specimen Walt Harris in January.
At 6’4”, he stands five inches taller than Rashad Coulter (8-1).
Coulter enters UFC having won five straight, all of them in the first round under solid banners like Bellator and Legacy FC. His last two fights have ended in a combined 1:49 and none of the five lasted more than three minutes. Like Sherman, all of Coulter’s wins have come by form of knockout.
I’m going to be honest: Aside from about 10 seconds from AXS TV’s post-show recaps, I can’t find any recent footage of Coulter. I do, however, know that he’s fought at Light Heavyweight before and his weight tends to fluctuate dramatically, which suggests he’s carrying unnecessary fat. Sherman may be technically limited, but he’s a 240-pound beast.
Both guys are coming in on short notice, adding another layer of intrigue. Accepting that the lack of fight tape makes this a shot in the dark, I say Sherman ends the slugfest partway through the first.
Prediction: Sherman via first-round technical knockout

145 lbs.: Gabriel Benitezvs. Enrique Barzola

Gabriel Benitez (19-5) — who defeated Diego Rivas on the inaugural TUF: “Latin America” season — won his first two UFC bouts before suffering a career-first loss to Andre Fili at UFC Fight Night 78. Ten months later, “Moggly” returned to action and choked out Sam Sicilia in Hidalgo for his fifth win in six fights.
Ten of his 19 professional wins have come by submission, including four by guillotine choke.
Enrique Barzola (12-3-1) — lived up to his nickname on TUF: “Latin America” 2, beating Jonathan Ortega and Cesar Arzamendia before dominating Horacio Guitierrez at the Finale. After a questionable loss to Kyle Bochniak, Barzola cruised past Chris Avila in Mexico City last November.
His wins are split evenly between knockouts, submissions and decisions.
It’s been nice to see TUF: “Latin American” fighters find success after being brushed aside as novelties. Benitez has proven a very effective striker and Barzola is much more well-rounded than one would expect considering the limited training opportunities he had early in his career.
That well-roundedness has me picking the Peruvian. He can hold his own on the feet and blends his wrestling with his striking quite well. The threat of the takedown should muzzle Benitez’s usual kicking onslaught and Barzola has the cardio to grapple all night. He outworks Benitez to a clear decision win.
Prediction: Barzola via unanimous decision

205 lbs.: Gadzhimurad Antigulov vs. Joachim Christensen

Gadzhimurad Antigulov (19-4) put a three-fight losing streak behind him with 12 consecutive victories, all but one by knockout or submission. This set up a UFC debut against Marcos Rogerio de Lima, whom Antigulov overpowered for a bonus-winning guillotine choke in 67 seconds.
He has stopped 16 opponents in the first round, including seven in less than one minute.
Joachim Christensen (14-4) saw his five-fight win streak come to an end in his UFC debut when Luis “Frankenstein” recovered from a nasty knee to submit him in the second. Three months later, he returned to action and knocked out Bojan Mihajlovic with a lovely uppercut midway through the third.
At 6’3”, he is four inches taller than Antigulov.
Antigulov is a natural Middleweight who makes up for his physical disadvantages with freakish aggression. It’s not a sustainable style, nor one that will continue to work once he starts to scratch the top of the division, but it makes him must-watch TV against those below the 205-pound median.
Christensen has power and solid striking skills. And if the fight goes past the first, it’s his for the taking. Sadly, he has not demonstrated the takedown defense necessary to turn aside Antigulov’s initial rush. Antigulov downs him early and locks up something ugly in transition.
Prediction: Antigulov via first-round submission

http://www.mmamania.com/2017/5/8/15579450/ufc-211-predictions-miocic-vs-dos-santos-2-fight-pass-prelims-undercard-preview-dallas-mma

Not certain I agree with their breakdown.

They do make interesting points though, as always.

Their main card write ups should be out sometime later this week.
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Finally the breakdown for the main event by Dan Hardy.  I have to say I'm a little bit disappointed with it since it focuses more on Dos Santos.  Yeah we know he has improved a lot and that he's now training with American Top Team.  But what about Miocic?  Nothing much was said about him except for a couple of stuff from his last fights.

UFC 211: Inside The Octagon - Stipe Miocic vs Junior Dos Santos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB6Pn6jkZ0Y

Here's the vlog series the UFC releases on any PPV event.

UFC 211 Embedded: Vlog Series - Episode 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nd3_-BOPDw
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I think Stipe may suffer from some sort of heart disease, probably gigantism or something like that. I remember Big Foot Silva laos had something like that. It's just insane how big the dude is, that cannot be healthy lol.
Stipe is too lanky due his big joins, but if he can control it and know how to take advantage of it he can be a nightmare for any fighter due his insane reach advantage. He just needs to know how to jab to frustrate opponents and know how to run from takedowns.
Hope you are talking about Stefan Struve than Stipe Miocic as i have not head about any health issues with Miocic and he is not a giant. Big Foot Silva is having issues and so was the reason we was undergoing TRT treatment and when they banned athletes on taking that his performance slid,there is a fun fact that Stefan Struve and Jon Jones have the same reach advantage. Jones is the real freak of nature in my opinion. Cheesy
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I think Stefan Struve was a better fighter back then, before Mark Hunt broke his jaw and Struve had that life threatening heart surgery.

Stipe's boxing improved a lot since then, too.

UFC posted the first Stipe vs JDS fight on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=damAR771hok

Watching it now. 

I think Stipe may suffer from some sort of heart disease, probably gigantism or something like that. I remember Big Foot Silva laos had something like that. It's just insane how big the dude is, that cannot be healthy lol.

Stipe is too lanky due his big joins, but if he can control it and know how to take advantage of it he can be a nightmare for any fighter due his insane reach advantage. He just needs to know how to jab to frustrate opponents and know how to run from takedowns.

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Hey guys, it's good that you're posting more videos in the thread!  I really appreciate everyone getting together and making the whole experience of following the UFC a more fun and proactive experience.  I have one request tho, please include the title in bold some we'd know what we're gonna watch first hand.  Thanks.

Just a week more and it's 211!  Watch this vid and start getting excited!

UFC 211 Countdown: Full Episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4GRoQMA3Bs
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