Topic: UFC 211: Miocic vs Dos Santos info and Prediction Thread - page 5. (Read 3593 times)
@Hydrogen. I agree. This card is easily the best from the beginning of this year up to now. I also excited to see Eddie Alvarez fight again after the loss to Connor. Let us see if he can come back to his good form.
JDS seems to do better when he fights moving backwards. When he comes forward, he starts to have problems like he did when he fought Overeem. No idea how to guess which direction he will fight against Stipe.
After the first JDS vs Stipe fight, JDS admitted that Stipe has a "good punch" and said he felt dizzy after taking some of Stipe's punches.
Stipe could be the only champion in the modern UFC who doesn't train full time and has a job as a firefighter.
Lots of good match ups on this card, I hope it does well in pay per views sales.
After the first JDS vs Stipe fight, JDS admitted that Stipe has a "good punch" and said he felt dizzy after taking some of Stipe's punches.
Stipe could be the only champion in the modern UFC who doesn't train full time and has a job as a firefighter.
Lots of good match ups on this card, I hope it does well in pay per views sales.
^ I like the Yair Rodriguez pick. His line is definitely in the right price to take a gamble on. But I wish we could get a higher line. Anyway, if Rodriguez keeps his distance, which he always does since he likes to kick, he'll do well against Edgar. Most of the time Edgar likes to wait for his opponent to come to him, but if he does go after his opponent, it's usually telegraphed. Watch Aldo vs Edgar 2.
I think Junior Dos Santos is past his prime so is Fabricio Werdum, they have recieved too many hits to he head and need to retire. Miocic has improved a lot in the past years in his technique, his genetics make him a total beast, he will be a thought match an I think he will win JDS and continue reining the division with an Overeem that is also past his prime and definitely can't fight without steroids at top level.
The heavy weight division is filled with people who are really old,the average age is above 35 years and in the future if they could not find any real talents then it will be a boring division and that will be the case with light heavy weight division too as some of the top fighters have moved on to Bellator and with the retirement of Anthony Johnson the division has become shallow.I think Stefan "Skyscraper" Struve can become a dominant force in the heavyweight UFC division. He has insane height, reach, and power, he needs to put work in his technique to use physical superiority over the rest, otherwise he will be a useless lanky easy target.
the only good prospect at HW is Francis Ngannou prob will be champ soon
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@Harry Callahan. It will take more than that as the reason why they are valued so close. Stipe has improved since that loss and has risen to become the champion. You should now ask yourself, did Junior improve more since his loss to Cain? Maybe he did.
Judging from line movement alone, are the sharps seeing something that we can't? Dos Santos' line opened at around 2.75 the moment betting was available then it moved to 2.45 the following weeks and now it's down to around 2.05 at Nitrogen. Has he really improved? I don't follow the HW division much.
The reason for the line movement may be because when Dos Santos faced Miocic earlier Dos Santos won the fight after a tough battle and those sort of battles could end matches and career if you are not careful and take proper rest,both are great fighters and it will be a close fight.
Judging from line movement alone, are the sharps seeing something that we can't? Dos Santos' line opened at around 2.75 the moment betting was available then it moved to 2.45 the following weeks and now it's down to around 2.05 at Nitrogen. Has he really improved? I don't follow the HW division much.
Dos Santos was training at american top team. Not sure if they have good heavyweights for him to spar with, there.
It could be that Stipe has improved while Dos Santos has stayed the same.
Some of the names on the early prelim card have never fought in the UFC before.
It could be that Stipe has improved while Dos Santos has stayed the same.
Some of the names on the early prelim card have never fought in the UFC before.
I would like to see Jon Jones fight without his insanely big advantage of always having the longest reach. If he wasn't for the reach he would not be undefeated. Unfortunately I think at a technical level Struve is too far from Jon Jones, but if Cormier had Jon Jones reach he would get a beating easily.
Looks like a childish thought,Jon Jones has not surgically taken any advantage to have the longest reach,he is build like that and if Cormier was build like a hulk then he would defeat the world single handed. 
so no point in talking about this comparison,Cormier is the best fighter in the world and i am sure he will defeat anyone in the world be it heavyweight or light heavy weight but i think Jon Jones is the best in the world and only Jones can defeat Jones. I think Stefan "Skyscraper" Struve can become a dominant force in the heavyweight UFC division. He has insane height, reach, and power, he needs to put work in his technique to use physical superiority over the rest, otherwise he will be a useless lanky easy target.
Stefan Struve is a young fighter but the miles he had in combat competition is really huge,he has insane height and have a reach advantage and that can be compared only by Jon Jones who have exactly the same reach and if he is able to use his reach advantage like Jon Jones then he will be a great fighter,but he is having some medical conditions which is forcing him to sit out.Francis Ngannou will have a good future if he is able to improve his game.I would like to see Jon Jones fight without his insanely big advantage of always having the longest reach. If he wasn't for the reach he would not be undefeated. Unfortunately I think at a technical level Struve is too far from Jon Jones, but if Cormier had Jon Jones reach he would get a beating easily.
I think Stefan "Skyscraper" Struve can become a dominant force in the heavyweight UFC division. He has insane height, reach, and power, he needs to put work in his technique to use physical superiority over the rest, otherwise he will be a useless lanky easy target.
Stefan Struve is a young fighter but the miles he had in combat competition is really huge,he has insane height and have a reach advantage and that can be compared only by Jon Jones who have exactly the same reach and if he is able to use his reach advantage like Jon Jones then he will be a great fighter,but he is having some medical conditions which is forcing him to sit out.Francis Ngannou will have a good future if he is able to improve his game. I think Junior Dos Santos is past his prime so is Fabricio Werdum, they have recieved too many hits to he head and need to retire. Miocic has improved a lot in the past years in his technique, his genetics make him a total beast, he will be a thought match an I think he will win JDS and continue reining the division with an Overeem that is also past his prime and definitely can't fight without steroids at top level.
The heavy weight division is filled with people who are really old,the average age is above 35 years and in the future if they could not find any real talents then it will be a boring division and that will be the case with light heavy weight division too as some of the top fighters have moved on to Bellator and with the retirement of Anthony Johnson the division has become shallow.I think Stefan "Skyscraper" Struve can become a dominant force in the heavyweight UFC division. He has insane height, reach, and power, he needs to put work in his technique to use physical superiority over the rest, otherwise he will be a useless lanky easy target.
I think Junior Dos Santos is past his prime so is Fabricio Werdum, they have recieved too many hits to he head and need to retire. Miocic has improved a lot in the past years in his technique, his genetics make him a total beast, he will be a thought match an I think he will win JDS and continue reining the division with an Overeem that is also past his prime and definitely can't fight without steroids at top level.
The heavy weight division is filled with people who are really old,the average age is above 35 years and in the future if they could not find any real talents then it will be a boring division and that will be the case with light heavy weight division too as some of the top fighters have moved on to Bellator and with the retirement of Anthony Johnson the division has become shallow.
I think Junior Dos Santos is past his prime so is Fabricio Werdum, they have recieved too many hits to he head and need to retire. Miocic has improved a lot in the past years in his technique, his genetics make him a total beast, he will be a thought match an I think he will win JDS and continue reining the division with an Overeem that is also past his prime and definitely can't fight without steroids at top level.
I think we can all agree that JDS has seen his best days. He may still be able to dominate other fighters but not in the level of stipe. There was a time when i thought JDS probably was the best striker and i'd put all my money on him. That was before Cain Velazquez. but i don't think he's still the same fighter now.
What you have to understand is JDS has defeated Stipe Miocic and Mark Hunt after the Cain Velazquez fight and it is a fact that the fight with Velazquez has taken a toll in his body but that does not mean that he is an easy target,the only loss JDS has other than Velazquez is the fight against an improved Alistair Overeem but the thing is he was coming from a long lay off due to injury and the game plan was perfect and countered JDS and knock him out ,i am not counting out JDS in this match as he might not be the old knock out artist but he is a durable fighter.
I think we can all agree that JDS has seen his best days. He may still be able to dominate other fighters but not in the level of stipe. There was a time when i thought JDS probably was the best striker and i'd put all my money on him. That was before Cain Velazquez. but i don't think he's still the same fighter now.
doesn't dos Santos have some sort of brain damage? I don't know if it's just a rumor or something but a friend mentioned it once and I just kinda took it with a grain of salt.
JDS doesn't have brain damage.But it was confirmed he got a medical condition called rhabdomyolysis sometime around his 2nd fight with Cain Velasquez.
There are plenty of articles about it on MMA news sites.
This fight card has some interesting matches and the matches i am looking forward are Yair Rodríguez and Demian Maia as this match determines what their potential is and it is important fights for both as they have to do their best to win the fight but even though Frankie is getting old it is really hard to beat him except for Aldo,i would really like to see Demian Maia fight for the belt as he deserves to fight for the title.
doesn't dos Santos have some sort of brain damage? I don't know if it's just a rumor or something but a friend mentioned it once and I just kinda took it with a grain of salt.
JDS doesn't have brain damage.
But it was confirmed he got a medical condition called rhabdomyolysis sometime around his 2nd fight with Cain Velasquez.
There are plenty of articles about it on MMA news sites.
It will be totally competitive match, the kind where is really hard to predict the winner but IMO Miocic has slightly better chance here.
Mostly because Dos Santos might not be in the best shape, he will be rusty and that is major point for Miocic.
My prediction: Stipe Miocic will take this win by unanimous decision.
Mostly because Dos Santos might not be in the best shape, he will be rusty and that is major point for Miocic.
My prediction: Stipe Miocic will take this win by unanimous decision.
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