UFC 211: Miocic vs Dos Santos info and Prediction Thread - page 3.

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Quote from: thejaytiesto on May 07, 2017, 12:34:49 PM

One thing is clear, Stipe Miocic is going to have hte better odds for sure, so if you want to make big money you must trust that Dos Santos delivers a great night and manages to knock out or submit homi. I remember when he got beaten by the Skycraper but he was so shit back then, look at this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9cDFQY1uBo

Damn, that dude is just huge. But he was really bad, I think Stipe would have no problems winning against him again nowadays. But if guys that big get good and skilled, they are unstoppable.

I think Stefan Struve was a better fighter back then, before Mark Hunt broke his jaw and Struve had that life threatening heart surgery.

Stipe's boxing improved a lot since then, too.

UFC posted the first Stipe vs JDS fight on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=damAR771hok

Watching it now.

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One thing is clear, Stipe Miocic is going to have hte better odds for sure, so if you want to make big money you must trust that Dos Santos delivers a great night and manages to knock out or submit homi. I remember when he got beaten by the Skycraper but he was so shit back then, look at this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9cDFQY1uBo

Damn, that dude is just huge. But he was really bad, I think Stipe would have no problems winning against him again nowadays. But if guys that big get good and skilled, they are unstoppable.

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@bbc.reporter Dos Santos was once considered as a pure knock out artist and he was looking to knock people out but now he has developed and evolved as a fighter and he is only trying to knock people out when there is an opportunity and he is not forcing that like he used to do that,even in the first fight Stipe Miocic was confident that he could knock Dos Santos but when he found that he could not do that his confidence went down but this time around he will be prepared and very well knows the strength of JDS and so i expect a tactical fight.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on May 06, 2017, 06:51:36 PM

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I think we will see JDS playing a defensive game, trying to lure Stipe into his trap, then he will rush to him and take it to the ground and try to break his arm or something. JDS is brutal if he catches you. Stipe can ground and pound and that's all, his ground game is not as good, but the dude is huge so it will be hard to keep him down, his striking is also sharp. Thought day of work for JDS.

One thing is certain ,that we will be seeing a good fight.I don't see Miocic knocking out Junior Dos Santos and Miocic tried his best on knocking him down in the first fight and both fighters are really powerful .I think both will be having a careful approach and fight plan and the fighter with the best condition will win the fight ,and the first fight between Dos Santo brought the best in Miocic as he became a better fighter after that loss,i really hope Dos Santos is injury free and if so it will be another war.

It can be a great fight, as long as JDS keeps a distance in the standing up scenario, he just has to be patient and caught Miocic off guard. Miocic is a bit of a disaster defending takedowns, he just sucks at that and always goes to the ground. Im sure we will see some good takedowns by JDS, so it will come down to see how good Miocic ground game has improved during the past months. The Overeem fight was disappointing because Overeem wasn't on top shape, but Overeem of the past could have won. Let's hope JDS can do it.

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JDS will have a hard time versus Stipe Miocic while the Stipe will have an easier time versus his opponent. Stipe has improved and has gotten stronger and now has the experience. He knows what he has to do to defeat JDS. The challenger will not be as impressive as all of you expect.

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Quote from: pereira4 on May 06, 2017, 05:52:20 PM

I think we will see JDS playing a defensive game, trying to lure Stipe into his trap, then he will rush to him and take it to the ground and try to break his arm or something. JDS is brutal if he catches you. Stipe can ground and pound and that's all, his ground game is not as good, but the dude is huge so it will be hard to keep him down, his striking is also sharp. Thought day of work for JDS.

One thing is certain ,that we will be seeing a good fight.I don't see Miocic knocking out Junior Dos Santos and Miocic tried his best on knocking him down in the first fight and both fighters are really powerful .I think both will be having a careful approach and fight plan and the fighter with the best condition will win the fight ,and the first fight between Dos Santo brought the best in Miocic as he became a better fighter after that loss,i really hope Dos Santos is injury free and if so it will be another war.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on May 05, 2017, 05:44:14 PM

I think most people are expecting JDS to fight moving backwards, like he did when he fought Ben Rothwell, Cain Velasquez and Mark Hunt.
If JDS is moving away from Stipe the whole fight, it will likely be harder for one of them to land a knockout punch.
The fight will probably go on longer if JDS avoids standing toe to toe with Stipe. Heavyweights usually tire quickly. If they don't get a KO in the first 1-2 rounds, they're usually too tired to get it in the 3rd, 4th or 5th rounds. Especially if there's lots of wrestling and grappling.
1.5 odds could be too low. Should probably be 2.5 or 3.5.

The first fight was really close and JDS is really a tough opponent for Miocic and i am not expecting any knockout in this fight either as both are really good strikers but JDS will be more careful coming into this match as this is his opportunity to regain the title once again and the fun fact is that no fighter had a longer title defense in the heavy weight division,so i expect JDS to win the match.

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Quote from: tokeweed on May 04, 2017, 09:46:44 PM

This is what I'm thinking. The problem now is what to bet on. The under 1.5 rounds at 2.41 on Nitrogen? I don't think it's giving us enough value to make the bet worth it. I'd start putting some BTC on that starting at 3.00 and above.

I wonder what the other bookies are laying on the over/under. Any suggestions? Looking for bets on under 2.5 rounds and 3.5 rounds for Miocic vs Dos Santos with decent odds.

I think most people are expecting JDS to fight moving backwards, like he did when he fought Ben Rothwell, Cain Velasquez and Mark Hunt.

If JDS is moving away from Stipe the whole fight, it will likely be harder for one of them to land a knockout punch.

The fight will probably go on longer if JDS avoids standing toe to toe with Stipe. Heavyweights usually tire quickly. If they don't get a KO in the first 1-2 rounds, they're usually too tired to get it in the 3rd, 4th or 5th rounds. Especially if there's lots of wrestling and grappling.

1.5 odds could be too low. Should probably be 2.5 or 3.5.

I think we will see JDS playing a defensive game, trying to lure Stipe into his trap, then he will rush to him and take it to the ground and try to break his arm or something. JDS is brutal if he catches you. Stipe can ground and pound and that's all, his ground game is not as good, but the dude is huge so it will be hard to keep him down, his striking is also sharp. Thought day of work for JDS.

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It's easy to take the result of the first fight between Miocic and Dos Santos for granted when you have watched it once or twice without studying it and actually watching it. We know it was a split decision and we know Miocic won the match. But please take a look again and this time try to find out for yourself who won.

I think Dos Santos won the first fight... It was really close tho.

UFC 211 Free Fight: Junior Dos Santos vs Stipe Miocic
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=damAR771hok

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Quote from: tokeweed on May 04, 2017, 09:46:44 PM

This is what I'm thinking. The problem now is what to bet on. The under 1.5 rounds at 2.41 on Nitrogen? I don't think it's giving us enough value to make the bet worth it. I'd start putting some BTC on that starting at 3.00 and above.

I wonder what the other bookies are laying on the over/under. Any suggestions? Looking for bets on under 2.5 rounds and 3.5 rounds for Miocic vs Dos Santos with decent odds.

I think most people are expecting JDS to fight moving backwards, like he did when he fought Ben Rothwell, Cain Velasquez and Mark Hunt.

If JDS is moving away from Stipe the whole fight, it will likely be harder for one of them to land a knockout punch.

The fight will probably go on longer if JDS avoids standing toe to toe with Stipe. Heavyweights usually tire quickly. If they don't get a KO in the first 1-2 rounds, they're usually too tired to get it in the 3rd, 4th or 5th rounds. Especially if there's lots of wrestling and grappling.

1.5 odds could be too low. Should probably be 2.5 or 3.5.

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This is what I'm thinking. The problem now is what to bet on. The under 1.5 rounds at 2.41 on Nitrogen? I don't think it's giving us enough value to make the bet worth it. I'd start putting some BTC on that starting at 3.00 and above.

I wonder what the other bookies are laying on the over/under. Any suggestions? Looking for bets on under 2.5 rounds and 3.5 rounds for Miocic vs Dos Santos with decent odds.
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It could be over in first round, couse dos Santos really wants this win, and it could end up like werdum vs miocic

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@tokeweed It is a bit risky to take under when it comes to Junior Dos Santos as he is a good boxer and both fighters are good at stand ups and i see a similar fight like their first one and they could drag the fight to the championship rounds and might see a decision.

Quote from: pereira4 on May 05, 2017, 09:24:24 AM

If shes back, there's no way she can ever come back and fight for a fight title without beating some people up first.

It is really difficult to see Ronda making a comeback from this humiliation,the only problem is when she was dominating the division she never had any sympathy to any of her opponents and even after winning the fight she was ruthless and cocky to her defeated opponents and the speeches she delivered are biting her back,what ever it may be she made a ton of money and if she is smart with the money she made she could settle down.

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Quote from: pereira4 on May 05, 2017, 09:24:24 AM

Im not comparing Ronda to Klitschko , im just pointing out at how stupid the UFC is when they give people that are obviously overrated and living from former fights, straight title shots. After being beaten by Holm in such spectacular fashion, Ronda didn't have the right to demand a title fight straight away. But since Ronda is a cash cow, they gave her a title fight, and now her career is over.
If shes back, there's no way she can ever come back and fight for a fight title without beating some people up first.

Ronda was winning fights when she had the momentum and the confidence and once she started taking everyone's praise on her head she thought she was invincible and she lost her focus in improving her talents when the rest of the women's division improved and she even forgot her core strength which is Judo and she never had a plan B when she found it is difficult to take Holm down in the first fight,she got the rematch only because she is Ronda Rousey and UFC messed up her career.

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Quote from: Pattberry on May 04, 2017, 02:41:54 PM

Quote from: pereira4 on May 04, 2017, 09:18:44 AM

Just look at what happened at the Ronda Rousey fight, she came back after her defeat with Holm, then got destroye again for the title fight. It was ridiculous and a shitshow. Indeed those fights make the UFC feel like WWE. But at least they give us the fights that people want to see. The HW boxing division has been a mess for the past few years, we didn't got the fights we wanted, and Klitschko brothers were too dominant anyway. It was not until we got other skilled fighters with a good reach that we started seeing better fights. They just had too much advantage due their height + skill.

Let us not compare Ronda Rousey against the Klitschko brothers,look at the age of Wladimir Klitschko he is 41 years of age and a lot of boxing under his belt and if this fight was five years back i am sure the result would be different.Getting punched in the face for this long is not a good thing and reflex will deter with age,Klitschko brothers dominated world boxing and they defeated everyone in their prime and let us see how Anthony Joshua will perform after 40 plus fights.

Im not comparing Ronda to Klitschko , im just pointing out at how stupid the UFC is when they give people that are obviously overrated and living from former fights, straight title shots. After being beaten by Holm in such spectacular fashion, Ronda didn't have the right to demand a title fight straight away. But since Ronda is a cash cow, they gave her a title fight, and now her career is over.

If shes back, there's no way she can ever come back and fight for a fight title without beating some people up first.

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Quote from: Young_Croatian on May 04, 2017, 02:54:55 PM

Miocic is in better form, and he will beat dos Santos with KO

This is what I'm thinking. The problem now is what to bet on. The under 1.5 rounds at 2.41 on Nitrogen? I don't think it's giving us enough value to make the bet worth it. I'd start putting some BTC on that starting at 3.00 and above.

I wonder what the other bookies are laying on the over/under. Any suggestions? Looking for bets on under 2.5 rounds and 3.5 rounds for Miocic vs Dos Santos with decent odds.

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Miocic is in better form, and he will beat dos Santos with KO

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Quote from: pereira4 on May 04, 2017, 09:18:44 AM

Just look at what happened at the Ronda Rousey fight, she came back after her defeat with Holm, then got destroye again for the title fight. It was ridiculous and a shitshow. Indeed those fights make the UFC feel like WWE. But at least they give us the fights that people want to see. The HW boxing division has been a mess for the past few years, we didn't got the fights we wanted, and Klitschko brothers were too dominant anyway. It was not until we got other skilled fighters with a good reach that we started seeing better fights. They just had too much advantage due their height + skill.

Let us not compare Ronda Rousey against the Klitschko brothers,look at the age of Wladimir Klitschko he is 41 years of age and a lot of boxing under his belt and if this fight was five years back i am sure the result would be different.Getting punched in the face for this long is not a good thing and reflex will deter with age,Klitschko brothers dominated world boxing and they defeated everyone in their prime and let us see how Anthony Joshua will perform after 40 plus fights.

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Quote from: pereira4 on May 04, 2017, 09:18:44 AM

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@Hydrogen. Boxing is dead. The sport has already made it past the silver age and the golden age and has already been declining since the early 2000s. After the days of fighters like Pretty Boy Floyd or Manny Pacquiao I do not know any charismatic boxer anymore.

You should have watched the fight. Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua revived the good times of heavyweight boxing that night. It was a more exciting fight than most of the boring UFC fights i've seen lately. Haters have been claiming boxing is dead for a long time just like they claim BTC is dead, but it's always there and always comes back.

I do accept the fact that the fight between Wladimir Klitschko and Joshua was a classic one and it was a break out performance from Joshua as this fight elevated him to super stardom and it is true that we are not seeing some interesting matches in the boxing scene, being a boxing fan it is always great to see good fights and we would like to see some good fights,UFC is becoming a spectacle now a days as people are fighting for the belt right away after a long break of four years and so on,it will undermine the legitimacy of the entire structure.

Just look at what happened at the Ronda Rousey fight, she came back after her defeat with Holm, then got destroye again for the title fight. It was ridiculous and a shitshow. Indeed those fights make the UFC feel like WWE. But at least they give us the fights that people want to see. The HW boxing division has been a mess for the past few years, we didn't got the fights we wanted, and Klitschko brothers were too dominant anyway. It was not until we got other skilled fighters with a good reach that we started seeing better fights. They just had too much advantage due their height + skill.

You need to make corrections for the fact that the nicknames already have a fairly large age for boxing activities. The fact is that even strong boxers retire with age, and young boxers come talented, strong.

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Quote from: Mbokani on May 02, 2017, 04:40:24 PM

Quote from: pereira4 on May 02, 2017, 09:51:18 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on April 29, 2017, 08:12:04 PM

@Hydrogen. Boxing is dead. The sport has already made it past the silver age and the golden age and has already been declining since the early 2000s. After the days of fighters like Pretty Boy Floyd or Manny Pacquiao I do not know any charismatic boxer anymore.

You should have watched the fight. Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua revived the good times of heavyweight boxing that night. It was a more exciting fight than most of the boring UFC fights i've seen lately. Haters have been claiming boxing is dead for a long time just like they claim BTC is dead, but it's always there and always comes back.

I do accept the fact that the fight between Wladimir Klitschko and Joshua was a classic one and it was a break out performance from Joshua as this fight elevated him to super stardom and it is true that we are not seeing some interesting matches in the boxing scene, being a boxing fan it is always great to see good fights and we would like to see some good fights,UFC is becoming a spectacle now a days as people are fighting for the belt right away after a long break of four years and so on,it will undermine the legitimacy of the entire structure.

Just look at what happened at the Ronda Rousey fight, she came back after her defeat with Holm, then got destroye again for the title fight. It was ridiculous and a shitshow. Indeed those fights make the UFC feel like WWE. But at least they give us the fights that people want to see. The HW boxing division has been a mess for the past few years, we didn't got the fights we wanted, and Klitschko brothers were too dominant anyway. It was not until we got other skilled fighters with a good reach that we started seeing better fights. They just had too much advantage due their height + skill.

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Miocic's line has improved from when it first opened. It's at 1.73 now and was even at 1.77 at one point. My bet is on him at these odds. His first bout vs Dos Santos was a loss, yes. But what you all seem to have forgotten is it was a very close match. I don't think Dos Santos' chin can take Miocic's punches this time.

Anyway, here's an extended preview of the event to get you excited. Wink

UFC 211: Miocic vs Dos Santos 2 - Extended Preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oncdtbJCrBg

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