UFC 214: Cormier vs Jones 2 Info and Prediction Thread - page 2.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on August 23, 2017, 03:43:47 PM

One of Jon Jones training partners posted this on facebook. This seems to indicate Jones is innocent if he tested positive very close to the fight where steroids wouldn't give a person an advantage.

California isn't the most reliable state. New York and cali are the two most corrupt states in the USA. Their athletic commission could be at fault here.

Oh well, a different story from both sides. It's better for UFC and Jon Jones meet and solve this problem together. It's really unfortunate though, classic Jon Jones failed UFC 214 drug test again. How about the tittle for Jon jones ? It's really fucked up, drug test failed after the cards already done.

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But why would Jon take the oral steroids? To what purpose was it for? If he is proven guilty and that he is removed from being the UFC's light heavyweight champion, then maybe we should organize a shame walk for him like in the Game of Thones. hehehe

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One of Jon Jones training partners posted this on facebook. This seems to indicate Jones is innocent if he tested positive very close to the fight where steroids wouldn't give a person an advantage.

California isn't the most reliable state. New York and cali are the two most corrupt states in the USA. Their athletic commission could be at fault here.

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Really disappointed with the current development with Jon Jones,to be frank i was checking about Jon Jones on a daily basis to see whether he was in any other trouble and this news just shocked me once again,when will he study ,i think this will be the end of his career in MMA ,i am waiting to hear the full report from USADA ,JDS is also caught ,if Jones is following up with all the medication then he should be fine,will see what his career will be.

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Quote from: tokeweed on August 23, 2017, 01:30:29 AM

Sorry Jon Jones fans but your guy cheated once again. I honestly did not expect this and I thought he looked good in his second bout vs Cormier, but no. He failed the drug test. He hasn't been stripped off the title yet, but he might be.

He's the Lance Armstrong of MMA, basically. Grin

UFC STATEMENT ON JON JONES
http://www.ufc.com/news/UFC-Statement-On-Jon-Jones-08-22-17

I was just looking at this right now... what the hell man?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeqnoYs4LIM

Jon Jones talen it indisputable, but at this point, how much % is drugs, and how much % is himself in the wins?

Maybe Daniel Cormier predicted future in his latest post-fight interview, and they will meet for a third time? But I think Dana White is going to be too pissed off to ever let him again... but money is money.

A third rematch between Daniel Cormier and Jon Jones would be another success no matter what.

Im sure DC is feeling good now, because Jones victory is not 100% clear. But it's unfortunate that the rematch may not happen due USADA suspending him for 4 years.

But let's wait, maybe Jones gets lucky and USADA reveals something in favor of Jon Jones, but it's not looking good.

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Sorry Jon Jones fans but your guy cheated once again. I honestly did not expect this and I thought he looked good in his second bout vs Cormier, but no. He failed the drug test. He hasn't been stripped off the title yet, but he might be.

He's the Lance Armstrong of MMA, basically. Grin

UFC STATEMENT ON JON JONES
http://www.ufc.com/news/UFC-Statement-On-Jon-Jones-08-22-17

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Quote from: joshy23 on August 04, 2017, 10:58:29 PM

Quote from: pereira4 on August 04, 2017, 05:33:34 PM

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Quote from: Hydrogen on August 03, 2017, 11:53:52 PM

Quote from: HaXX0R1337 on August 02, 2017, 11:17:22 PM

I do understand everything about the camp and so on,but what about this WWE thing,since it is a scripted story they could put the belt back to Brock Lesnar and does that mean that he will be chicken out from this fight against Jones Jones Grin

That is the only scenario i am seeing right now,Brock is getting old and he could not match up with Jones skill wise but he defeated Mark Hunt after 5 years of absence .

I don't know how far in advance WWE determines its script.

I would guess the script was not determined at the time Brock Lesnar made those comments.

Jon Jones is known for doing well in sparring with heavyweights at JacksonWink(Greg Jackson / Mike Wineljon's MMA gym).

Only heavyweights I can think of that train there were Travis Browne, Andrei Arlovski and Anthony Hamilton. Those are good heavyweights but none of them bring the wrestling or athleticism that Brock has.

Jones may have the skills that would make him nbr1 pound for pound but i'm not really that confident if a fight with brock pushes through. If it's a slow bloke of a heavyweight he's going to be fighting, then i'd say jones will make it. But broke has shown he can move unbelievably swift for his size and pretty agile as well. Though i'd watch that fight definitely.

The main selling point is seeing Jon Jones perform as a heavyweight. We don't know how much the extra weight will have an impact on his skill. We all know that he is the most skilled MMA guy ever buy we have yet to see him fight at HW.

Brock Lesnar is huge and is really strong but he lacks the skills to be a top MMA competitor.

Jon Jones needs the fight more than Brock. Pretty sure Brock is way richer than Jones. Being a WWE star means you are rich as hell.

Do Jones goes to HW limit when he is on offseason? I think he is still cool at 206 -220 lbs? I think it will not make any difference with regards to speed and skills IMHO.
Brock Lesnar is huge no question about it but Jones will be the more agile of the two. We haven't seen Jones hit directly at LHW to gauge how strong is he's jaw. Although he was hit with accumulation of punches by Gus before. That makes this fight interesting for me. And will probably fight if the right money is on the table for both sides to start talking.

Jon Bones Jones has Bones as his nickname for a reason. He is a natural lanky ectomorph, he is an skinny guy with a fast metabolism. It's only recently that we have seen him get some weight in, to the point some people accused him of steroids.

He said that he couldn't become a football player due weight problems, so he went into wrestling and then into MMA.

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Quote from: pereira4 on August 04, 2017, 05:33:34 PM

Quote from: gabmen on August 04, 2017, 10:24:40 AM

Quote from: Hydrogen on August 03, 2017, 11:53:52 PM

Quote from: HaXX0R1337 on August 02, 2017, 11:17:22 PM

I do understand everything about the camp and so on,but what about this WWE thing,since it is a scripted story they could put the belt back to Brock Lesnar and does that mean that he will be chicken out from this fight against Jones Jones Grin

That is the only scenario i am seeing right now,Brock is getting old and he could not match up with Jones skill wise but he defeated Mark Hunt after 5 years of absence .

I don't know how far in advance WWE determines its script.

I would guess the script was not determined at the time Brock Lesnar made those comments.

Jon Jones is known for doing well in sparring with heavyweights at JacksonWink(Greg Jackson / Mike Wineljon's MMA gym).

Only heavyweights I can think of that train there were Travis Browne, Andrei Arlovski and Anthony Hamilton. Those are good heavyweights but none of them bring the wrestling or athleticism that Brock has.

Jones may have the skills that would make him nbr1 pound for pound but i'm not really that confident if a fight with brock pushes through. If it's a slow bloke of a heavyweight he's going to be fighting, then i'd say jones will make it. But broke has shown he can move unbelievably swift for his size and pretty agile as well. Though i'd watch that fight definitely.

The main selling point is seeing Jon Jones perform as a heavyweight. We don't know how much the extra weight will have an impact on his skill. We all know that he is the most skilled MMA guy ever buy we have yet to see him fight at HW.

Brock Lesnar is huge and is really strong but he lacks the skills to be a top MMA competitor.

Jon Jones needs the fight more than Brock. Pretty sure Brock is way richer than Jones. Being a WWE star means you are rich as hell.

Do Jones goes to HW limit when he is on offseason? I think he is still cool at 206 -220 lbs? I think it will not make any difference with regards to speed and skills IMHO.
Brock Lesnar is huge no question about it but Jones will be the more agile of the two. We haven't seen Jones hit directly at LHW to gauge how strong is he's jaw. Although he was hit with accumulation of punches by Gus before. That makes this fight interesting for me. And will probably fight if the right money is on the table for both sides to start talking.

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Quote from: gabmen on August 04, 2017, 10:24:40 AM

Quote from: Hydrogen on August 03, 2017, 11:53:52 PM

Quote from: HaXX0R1337 on August 02, 2017, 11:17:22 PM

I do understand everything about the camp and so on,but what about this WWE thing,since it is a scripted story they could put the belt back to Brock Lesnar and does that mean that he will be chicken out from this fight against Jones Jones Grin

That is the only scenario i am seeing right now,Brock is getting old and he could not match up with Jones skill wise but he defeated Mark Hunt after 5 years of absence .

I don't know how far in advance WWE determines its script.

I would guess the script was not determined at the time Brock Lesnar made those comments.

Jon Jones is known for doing well in sparring with heavyweights at JacksonWink(Greg Jackson / Mike Wineljon's MMA gym).

Only heavyweights I can think of that train there were Travis Browne, Andrei Arlovski and Anthony Hamilton. Those are good heavyweights but none of them bring the wrestling or athleticism that Brock has.

Jones may have the skills that would make him nbr1 pound for pound but i'm not really that confident if a fight with brock pushes through. If it's a slow bloke of a heavyweight he's going to be fighting, then i'd say jones will make it. But broke has shown he can move unbelievably swift for his size and pretty agile as well. Though i'd watch that fight definitely.

The main selling point is seeing Jon Jones perform as a heavyweight. We don't know how much the extra weight will have an impact on his skill. We all know that he is the most skilled MMA guy ever buy we have yet to see him fight at HW.

Brock Lesnar is huge and is really strong but he lacks the skills to be a top MMA competitor.

Jon Jones needs the fight more than Brock. Pretty sure Brock is way richer than Jones. Being a WWE star means you are rich as hell.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on August 03, 2017, 11:53:52 PM

Quote from: HaXX0R1337 on August 02, 2017, 11:17:22 PM

I do understand everything about the camp and so on,but what about this WWE thing,since it is a scripted story they could put the belt back to Brock Lesnar and does that mean that he will be chicken out from this fight against Jones Jones Grin

That is the only scenario i am seeing right now,Brock is getting old and he could not match up with Jones skill wise but he defeated Mark Hunt after 5 years of absence .

I don't know how far in advance WWE determines its script.

I would guess the script was not determined at the time Brock Lesnar made those comments.

Jon Jones is known for doing well in sparring with heavyweights at JacksonWink(Greg Jackson / Mike Wineljon's MMA gym).

Only heavyweights I can think of that train there were Travis Browne, Andrei Arlovski and Anthony Hamilton. Those are good heavyweights but none of them bring the wrestling or athleticism that Brock has.

Jones may have the skills that would make him nbr1 pound for pound but i'm not really that confident if a fight with brock pushes through. If it's a slow bloke of a heavyweight he's going to be fighting, then i'd say jones will make it. But broke has shown he can move unbelievably swift for his size and pretty agile as well. Though i'd watch that fight definitely.

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Quote from: HaXX0R1337 on August 02, 2017, 11:17:22 PM

I do understand everything about the camp and so on,but what about this WWE thing,since it is a scripted story they could put the belt back to Brock Lesnar and does that mean that he will be chicken out from this fight against Jones Jones Grin

That is the only scenario i am seeing right now,Brock is getting old and he could not match up with Jones skill wise but he defeated Mark Hunt after 5 years of absence .

I don't know how far in advance WWE determines its script.

I would guess the script was not determined at the time Brock Lesnar made those comments.

Jon Jones is known for doing well in sparring with heavyweights at JacksonWink(Greg Jackson / Mike Wineljon's MMA gym).

Only heavyweights I can think of that train there were Travis Browne, Andrei Arlovski and Anthony Hamilton. Those are good heavyweights but none of them bring the wrestling or athleticism that Brock has.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on August 02, 2017, 10:20:39 PM

Typical MMA fight camp is 3 months / 12 weeks.

USADA gave Brock Lesnar an exemption on entering the USADA testing pool the last time he fought Mark Hunt. If Jon Jones didn't care about Brock being tested and Brock was given another waiver they could fight soon.

Brock Lesnar said he'll only consider doing MMA & fighting Jon Jones if he doesn't have the WWE belt after their next big event. That could be the key point determining whether or not they fight.

I do understand everything about the camp and so on,but what about this WWE thing,since it is a scripted story they could put the belt back to Brock Lesnar and does that mean that he will be chicken out from this fight against Jones Jones Grin

That is the only scenario i am seeing right now,Brock is getting old and he could not match up with Jones skill wise but he defeated Mark Hunt after 5 years of absence .

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Quote from: pereira4 on August 02, 2017, 12:41:56 PM

No way Jon Jones is going to fight Brock Lesnar anytime soon. He has 6 more months of USADA supervention, then he has another 6 months at least of training camp. That's 1+ year away. Jon Jones will have to fight someone else before the Jones-Lesnar clash happens. He senses the money, he knows that is a massive deal and he wants to pull a Mayweather-McGregor, but he cannot stay inactive for 1+ year waiting for that.

Typical MMA fight camp is 3 months / 12 weeks.

USADA gave Brock Lesnar an exemption on entering the USADA testing pool the last time he fought Mark Hunt. If Jon Jones didn't care about Brock being tested and Brock was given another waiver they could fight soon.

Brock Lesnar said he'll only consider doing MMA & fighting Jon Jones if he doesn't have the WWE belt after their next big event. That could be the key point determining whether or not they fight.

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Quote from: pereira4 on August 02, 2017, 12:41:56 PM

No way Jon Jones is going to fight Brock Lesnar anytime soon. He has 6 more months of USADA supervention, then he has another 6 months at least of training camp. That's 1+ year away. Jon Jones will have to fight someone else before the Jones-Lesnar clash happens. He senses the money, he knows that is a massive deal and he wants to pull a Mayweather-McGregor, but he cannot stay inactive for 1+ year waiting for that.

And if he fights against Brock, he would win with not much effort, Brock's size will be no match for his talent as a fighter.

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No way Jon Jones is going to fight Brock Lesnar anytime soon. He has 6 more months of USADA supervention, then he has another 6 months at least of training camp. That's 1+ year away. Jon Jones will have to fight someone else before the Jones-Lesnar clash happens. He senses the money, he knows that is a massive deal and he wants to pull a Mayweather-McGregor, but he cannot stay inactive for 1+ year waiting for that.

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Quote from: michaelch on July 31, 2017, 09:41:57 PM

Quote from: Siren on July 31, 2017, 08:03:28 AM

And regarding Jones vs Brock. Interested to see that fight happen. No advantage for Brock except for his size, Jones will win this fight easily.

I suspect he is trying to lay the groundwork for something like Conor vs Mayweather. Looking for more high-profile and profitable fights.

He could probably looking for money fights right now similar as what Conor did. Ronda Rousey is already out, GSP status is not sure, so I think Jon Jones is the only legitimate star of UFC. It also appears the new champion might do his best to bring back one of the sport's biggest stars - Brock Lesnar. Regardless of whether Brock Lesnar would really leave the WWE to fight Jones, who has always teased a foray into the heavyweight division, the mere fact that it's a discussion is a sign of the impact Jones' return could make.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on July 30, 2017, 12:03:21 AM

Now where is the Jones doubters, he just finished Daniel Cormier as he promised Cheesy

had a wonderful day in terms of my betting as all of my picks won the fight and i am really impressed with Volkan Oezdemir as he finished him within the first minute and now Jimi Manuwa can shut his mouth altogether as he is not championship material. Cheesy

And wow he just challenged Brock Lesnar for the fight . Cheesy

GOAT .

I played four different parlay in this card and every one won. Cheesy

Just posting one parlay

I give props for Jones for knocking out Daniel Cormier. He reclaimed the Light Heavy weight belt fo now. The win for Jones marks a long, winding path back to champion status. It's been more than two years since he's been the undisputed light heavyweight champion. Still congrats to the man. You proven me wrong.

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Quote from: Siren on July 31, 2017, 08:03:28 AM

And regarding Jones vs Brock. Interested to see that fight happen. No advantage for Brock except for his size, Jones will win this fight easily.

I suspect he is trying to lay the groundwork for something like Conor vs Mayweather. Looking for more high-profile and profitable fights.

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Quote from: pereira4 on July 31, 2017, 09:45:23 AM

Daniel Cormier has finally made an announcement after the loss. He took an entire day off from saying anything. In his instagram he congratulated Jon Jones and his team, but he doesn't say he is retiring, neither does he say he will continue.

He is 38 year old, so it may be time to retire, even tho he was looking good. I think he should move to another weight decision and get a belt there to not end your career with the bad feeling of getting KO.

With the kind of speech Jon Jones delivered after the win and his actions,there is nothing more Daniel Cormier could say rather than moving with the flow and accepting the fate,it was one of the best performance i have seen this year and this is the first knock out loss for DC and interestingly the first knock out win for Jone Jones in his UFC career. Cheesy

I wanted to see Alexander Gustafsson next and i am sure Jones will stop him too as he is a different animal now.

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Quote from: pereira4 on July 31, 2017, 09:45:23 AM

Daniel Cormier has finally made an announcement after the loss. He took an entire day off from saying anything. In his instagram he congratulated Jon Jones and his team, but he doesn't say he is retiring, neither does he say he will continue.

He is 38 year old, so it may be time to retire, even tho he was looking good. I think he should move to another weight decision and get a belt there to not end your career with the bad feeling of getting KO.

At least he is man enough to accept his defeat and congratulate Jones. Initially he campaigns at the HW division but since then Cain also in the HW, and because they are close friends and training partners for years, he went down to LHW and even became a champion (of course Jones is out during that time). I'm not really sure about retiring though maybe he needs a break or something or probably if he is thinking retiring, go back to hosting instead.

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