UFC 232: Jones vs Gustafsson 2 Prediction and Info Thread

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Ok, at least we heard that he is cliean, but I'm sure that there are still a lot of doubters out there.

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“Interested to hear the excuses of my next few victims,” Jones said.

https://mmajunkie.com/2019/01/jon-jones-revels-ufc-232-drug-test-clean

Regarding his next opponent though, no disrespect, but I don't see him dethroning Jones here. Yes he is on a 3 fight winner streak, but two of those wins are against wash up fighters (Rashad and Rua).

For those who are interested to bet, Jones open up as a 13-1 favorite. Lol.

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Quote from: kenzawak on January 11, 2019, 05:11:48 PM

For those interested, Jones passed the test the day of the fight. No more picograms.
There goes the theory that those were from last year. Grin

Good for him because he can now clean his name and erase the doubts of all the MMA enthusiasts and co-MMA fighters to him. I hope he now really realized the consequences of doing illegal stuffs like that in his career and finally stop from doing it once and for all.

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For those interested, Jones passed the test the day of the fight. No more picograms.
There goes the theory that those were from last year. Grin

https://www.mmafighting.com/2019/1/10/18177162/jon-jones-ufc-232-drug-tests-come-back-clean

"Test results have come back clean for fight night drug screenings administered to Jones by USADA and the California State Athletic Commission (CSAC) on Dec. 29 in relation to his UFC 232 rematch against Alexander Gustafssson. CSAC executive director Andy Foster confirmed the news to MMA Fighting on Thursday following an initial report by ESPN.

Jones’ test results came back free of any picograms of the M3 metabolite, the same longterm metabolite of oral turinabol that was discovered in Jones’ system in three different drug tests since Aug. 2018 and ultimately prompted the UFC to uproot UFC 232’s entire event from Nevada to California on less than a week’s notice."

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It's looks like Jones will be fighting again. But it's not Daniel Cormier:

https://www.mmafighting.com/2019/1/7/18171866/jon-jones-vs-anthony-smith-set-for-ufc-235-pending-nsac-license

It will be Anthony Smith set on March 2. Does he have a shot at Jones? I don't think so.

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Quote from: cellard on January 03, 2019, 11:44:45 PM

However in the words of Conor McGregor, precision beats power, timing beats speed.

He's right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EXwPdYRx70

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Quote from: Kemarit on January 03, 2019, 08:37:31 AM

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 01, 2019, 11:44:49 PM

@peter0425. Read the news sometimes. Dana already said that there will be no rematch because Amanda Nunes dominated Chris Cyborg. He would be creating a different storyboard if the fight was so close, however. But we have what we have hehehe.

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There was a video circulating lately that showed Cyborg take a nasty fall from a trolley, that was right before her fight with Nunes, so it's not impossible to think that the damage from the fall impacted her ability to fight.

I mean let's be realistic, Cyborg is an absolute monster, before this fight there was no reason to suspect that Nunes would dominate her in such a fashion. Since this was a relatively quick defeat, we can reasonably assume that Cyborg either had a bad day, or Nunes got particularly lucky. I really doubt that Nunes would dominate her again.

That being said, Nunes is also a beast, so I imagine the next fight will be more competitive.

It's either Cyborg was affected by that trolley incident or she just grew old overnight, we will never know the reason behind. I also think that there's no need for a rematch at this point. And as far as I can remember, Cyborg has only 1 fight left in her contract so I doubt we will a rematch unless Dana signs her to a new contract that will make the fight possible in the future.

Excuses. Each fighter who has believed that they would not lose always look for a way out to change the public's perception of the loss. It was similar to Joanna Jedrzejczyk's situation after her loss to humble Rose Namajunas. Joanna gave excuses then she got the rematch. However, what occured in the rematch?

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^ And 'sea level Cain' could KO Ngannou any time of the day imho. Velasquez is the numero uno HW fighter in the UFC ever! IMHO.

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Quote from: tokeweed on January 03, 2019, 11:29:44 AM

^ I guess he is. Even if Velasquez wasn't at 100%, but somewhat near it (70% - 80%), I think he'd still win vs Ngannou. And if he thought Miocic's wrestling was tough, wait til he's vs Velasquez. Lmao. Ngannou won't last the whole 5 rounds imho.

LOL. We have seen what Francis is made of specially with Stipe took him down. Now multiple that when he fights Cain Velasquez. And if the fight lasted more than 2 rounds then it will be difficult for Francis as we all know that Cain is relentless and will try to wear him down. Cain also has a good stand up game so it's really difficult fight for Francis here, not unless he improves his defense, doesn't tire fairly quick or got lucky.

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Quote from: Jating on January 04, 2019, 02:07:23 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on January 03, 2019, 11:29:44 AM

I agree. We all know how Cain's wrestling in his A-game. And I don't see Francis winning unless he hit Velasquez with a lucky shot. Although it's interesting to see if he is going to be affected by ring rust because his been out for about 2 years, if I'm not mistaken.

Yeah! That would be a great factor. Cain is no longer in shape and it surely takes a lot of time for him to become once again. We all knew that Ngannou is a hard puncher (It's very obvious based with his physique Grin

) and if he hits Cain then probably he will break in due time. However, I've already watch lots of fights where wit wins over power (like on Lesnar vs Mir) so it still not impossible for Cain to beat Ngannou — size doesn't matters all the time.

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Quote from: tokeweed on January 03, 2019, 11:29:44 AM

^ I guess he is. Even if Velasquez wasn't at 100%, but somewhat near it (70% - 80%), I think he'd still win vs Ngannou. And if he thought Miocic's wrestling was tough, wait til he's vs Velasquez. Lmao. Ngannou won't last the whole 5 rounds imho.

I agree. We all know how Cain's wrestling in his A-game. And I don't see Francis winning unless he hit Velasquez with a lucky shot. Although it's interesting to see if he is going to be affected by ring rust because his been out for about 2 years, if I'm not mistaken.

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Quote from: tokeweed on January 03, 2019, 11:29:44 AM

^ I guess he is. Even if Velasquez wasn't at 100%, but somewhat near it (70% - 80%), I think he'd still win vs Ngannou. And if he thought Miocic's wrestling was tough, wait til he's vs Velasquez. Lmao. Ngannou won't last the whole 5 rounds imho.

Ngannou has the physical power to dominate the heavyweight division. However in the words of Conor McGregor, precision beats power, timing beats speed.

This Ngannou guy I think it's not too bring ring IQ wise. He has power, but he doesn't know what to do with it. He needs to improve his overall game. The extreme case of this is The Black Beast, that guy is just hilarious, has no idea how to fight but has insane power. Those guys can randomly win a title fight but are never consistent. I always stay away from gambling when these guys are involved since its a crapshot.

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^ I guess he is. Even if Velasquez wasn't at 100%, but somewhat near it (70% - 80%), I think he'd still win vs Ngannou. And if he thought Miocic's wrestling was tough, wait til he's vs Velasquez. Lmao. Ngannou won't last the whole 5 rounds imho.

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Quote from: tokeweed on January 03, 2019, 11:01:13 AM

^ Cyborg knew exactly what she was getting into vs Nunes unless she was delusional. I mean look... Who has Cyborg fought before Nunes? They were mostly bums (with the exception of Holly Holm and maybe Evinger?).

Btw... Cain Velasquez vs Ngannou confirmed for 335. So stoked!

335 ?
Yeah I'm curious about N'gannou. I thought the guy was all hype at first (that fight against Derrick Lewis was horrible) but I'd be happy to be proven wrong (I'm French).
I guess it will all depend on Velazquez, if he is in shape or not. We'll see if he's still one of the top heavies or not. He's supposed to be the better of the two.

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^ Cyborg knew exactly what she was getting into vs Nunes unless she was delusional. I mean look... Who has Cyborg fought before Nunes? They were mostly bums (with the exception of Holly Holm and maybe Evinger?).

Btw... Cain Velasquez vs Ngannou confirmed for 335. So stoked!

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Quote from: DarkDays on January 03, 2019, 05:22:35 AM

I mean let's be realistic, Cyborg is an absolute monster, before this fight there was no reason to suspect that Nunes would dominate her in such a fashion. Since this was a relatively quick defeat, we can reasonably assume that Cyborg either had a bad day, or Nunes got particularly lucky. I really doubt that Nunes would dominate her again.

I'm no expert in Womens' fights but it just looks to me that Cyborg was surprised with the tactics Nunes used, going all in right form the start.
If you're not 100% ready for this kind of assault, this can happen to anyone. It may not happen again if there's a rematch but it was not luck, you gotta be ready for anything in a fight. Look at Fedor when he got his losing streak, he was a bit overconfident and didn't expect some of the moves that made him lose. In MMA, you can't afford to lose your focus.

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Quote from: DarkDays on January 03, 2019, 05:22:35 AM

Quote from: peter0425 on January 03, 2019, 01:27:05 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 01, 2019, 11:44:49 PM

@peter0425. Read the news sometimes. Dana already said that there will be no rematch because Amanda Nunes dominated Chris Cyborg. He would be creating a different storyboard if the fight was so close, however. But we have what we have hehehe.

~ snip ~

There was a video circulating lately that showed Cyborg take a nasty fall from a trolley, that was right before her fight with Nunes, so it's not impossible to think that the damage from the fall impacted her ability to fight.

I mean let's be realistic, Cyborg is an absolute monster, before this fight there was no reason to suspect that Nunes would dominate her in such a fashion. Since this was a relatively quick defeat, we can reasonably assume that Cyborg either had a bad day, or Nunes got particularly lucky. I really doubt that Nunes would dominate her again.

That being said, Nunes is also a beast, so I imagine the next fight will be more competitive.

It's either Cyborg was affected by that trolley incident or she just grew old overnight, we will never know the reason behind. I also think that there's no need for a rematch at this point. And as far as I can remember, Cyborg has only 1 fight left in her contract so I doubt we will a rematch unless Dana signs her to a new contract that will make the fight possible in the future.

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Quote from: peter0425 on January 03, 2019, 01:27:05 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 01, 2019, 11:44:49 PM

@peter0425. Read the news sometimes. Dana already said that there will be no rematch because Amanda Nunes dominated Chris Cyborg. He would be creating a different storyboard if the fight was so close, however. But we have what we have hehehe.

Maybe if Cris Cyborg went on another winning streak then absolutely they will have to face each other again. Of course there is the money factor as well, if there's a potential to make good profits down the line then why not?

There was a video circulating lately that showed Cyborg take a nasty fall from a trolley, that was right before her fight with Nunes, so it's not impossible to think that the damage from the fall impacted her ability to fight.

I mean let's be realistic, Cyborg is an absolute monster, before this fight there was no reason to suspect that Nunes would dominate her in such a fashion. Since this was a relatively quick defeat, we can reasonably assume that Cyborg either had a bad day, or Nunes got particularly lucky. I really doubt that Nunes would dominate her again.

That being said, Nunes is also a beast, so I imagine the next fight will be more competitive.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 01, 2019, 11:44:49 PM

@peter0425. Read the news sometimes. Dana already said that there will be no rematch because Amanda Nunes dominated Chris Cyborg. He would be creating a different storyboard if the fight was so close, however. But we have what we have hehehe.

Maybe if Cris Cyborg went on another winning streak then absolutely they will have to face each other again. Of course there is the money factor as well, if there's a potential to make good profits down the line then why not?

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on January 02, 2019, 04:30:25 AM

Anyone watch the Preliminary fight BJ Penn vs Ryan Hall? It's the 6th straight loss for Hall of Famer BJ Penn and its the first time that BJ Penn was defeated via submission. I think its about time that BJ Penn retires. he has nothing to prove anymore. He may have a lot of fights left that his body can withstand but the younger generation of fighters nowadays are different from his era when his name is one of the feared fighters in the octagon.

I think he got injured as well as Ryan Hall was one of the best in this kind of submission. I think majority of us here agree that it's time for BJ Penn to retire, Nothing more to proved as he cemented his legacy and I'm sure he also made tons of money so no need to push his body and fight younger generations.

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Quote from: Nerobasta on January 02, 2019, 04:22:22 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 01, 2019, 11:44:49 PM

@peter0425. Read the news sometimes. Dana already said that there will be no rematch because Amanda Nunes dominated Chris Cyborg. He would be creating a different storyboard if the fight was so close, however. But we have what we have hehehe.

It's possible there will be a rematch but soon. I read an article that Cyborg wants an immediate rematch from Amanda Nunes as she said "of course"
but Dana White don't think this is the right time. He's figuring out what's next for Cyborg before the rematch. I would like also to pay to have the their rematch soon not immediately.

I reckon that was not what the message that Dana White was giving during the post fight interviews. There will not be a rematch for Cyborg and Amanda Nunes, saving that Cyborg proves herself worthy.

In any case, it will take a much later time than soon. Did you watch the fight? Would a rematch of that fight sell? It will not, I reckon.

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