Topic: UFC 232: Jones vs Gustafsson 2 Prediction and Info Thread - page 5. (Read 1145 times)

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Now we all understand why u didn’t take the Wada test! U can be on rocket fuel,, I’ll still gonna finish u Jon!

Drama sells. And what the UFC needs is drama, media, and discussion. The fight lasts a few minutes, but all the repercussions of before and after last for days.

Can't believe that they even continued this fight to go on didn't Jon Jones' last fight overturned to NC as he tested positive for turinabol. This is obviously an unsportsmanlike thing to do as he is clearly on an advantage as he is using sports enhancement drugs. I am praising USADA for his previous 15 month ban but this one letting him still fight all jacked up is really not a reasonable thing to do. He obviously didn't learn anything from his previous penalty as he is still continuing the things that he got suspended in the first place.

No fight or show would happen once they do make such decision in regards with drug test result but USADA proved about his innocence.

^  Lawl!  But the show must go on.  I wonder how this affects Jones tho...  With all the anxiety and stress this causes him and his camp.

Update: Jon Jones tested positive for steroids. This UFC event is being moved from Las Vegas to california due to the nevada state athletic commission declining to license Jon Jones to fight @ the event.

Its been said by USADA that Jon Jones positive steroid test represents the same steroids that were in his body the last time he tested positive. His system hasn't completely cleansed itself of the steroids yet.

I can't believe this is happening. So much drama surrounding Jon Jones. Always.

The match between these two will be quite interesting, and there's a lot of mention of Jones suffering from ring rust, however I feel it shall not have a impact on him. I expect Jones to win this match, he definitely won't have it easy but in the end he'll be the victor. I also expect Nunes to win that sheer power shall definitely work in Nunes favour, it'll be disappointing if she doesn't win.

Just a small tid bit of info for you guys thinking Jones could be suffering from 'ring rust'.  Gus actually is on a longer time not fighting than Jones.  Dan Hardy mentioned it in the video below...  Enjoy. 

UFC 232:  Inside the Octagon - Jones vs Gus 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTyeenwluF4

Hehehe ok.

Also, Jon Jones has been training in boxing during his layoff from MMA. He said his hands have never been better in his entire career as a fighter in an interview.

One thing you have to understand is the cardio issues of Amanda Nunes, she always starts at a great pace and the volume goes down as the rounds progress, take a look at the fight against Valentina Shevchenko and you think Nunes can stand against Cyborg who is a well rounded fighter as well as a much bigger opponent than she has ever faced in her life and Cyborg has never displayed her ground skills as she is so dominant in stand up.

Jones is never a strong fighter with one punch knockout power and he is not physically that huge during those period, he won all of his fights with his fight IQ and nothing else, he is a junkie who takes coke and parties hard and the substances found in his system are just particles that is being used to cut coke, so the notion of using enhancing substance is just bogus.

Here are highlights from Gustafsson's fight with Glover Teixeira.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWVdOq_5zZs

Gustafsson's punches seem to land with more impact and force than they did earlier in his career when he fought Jon Jones. You can actually see Glover Teixeira's head snap back from the force of the punches, which mostly glanced off Jon Jones head as they lacked the same type of commitment or body weight behind them.

I re-watched the 1st fight between Jones and Gustaf from the link tokeweed posted above. The kicks to the body Jones landed and the spinning elbows could be what caused Gustafsson to tire.

Those are the impressions I get. Feel free to agree/disagree.


I think Kemarit meant to type "pace himself" instead of "phased himself".

Don't know if Jones has improved his boxing. He does most of his damage with kicks and spinning elbows. He's never inflicted serious damage with punches in a fight that I know of.

@Kemrait. What is phased?

@Hydrogen. Jon Jones also has improved his boxing. I reckon the biggest difference between his fights from before and the fight next week will be his hands. They will be faster, stronger and they will hit their targets.

My prediction is a doctor's stoppage on the 5th round because Alexander Gustaffson's eyes are closed shut courtesy of Jon Jones' boxing hehehe.

Maybe he was too inexperienced in the first fight and don't know how to phased himself that's why he run out of gas. He is also throwing uppercuts with the Jones fight but he was not hitting squarely because Jones keeps moving as opposed to Glover just standing with no head movements. That's why his uppercut is very evident on that fight. I remember he hits Glover 3 or 4 successively, Teixeira is a stationary target.

Here's the first fight between those two just in case some of you haven't seen it before.  It's prolly the FOT for that year or a close second.  

Anyway, enjoy.

UFC 232 Free Fight:  Jones vs Gustafsson 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNKR65ZgT28

If you want specifics, I think Alexander Gustafsson's cardio has improved since his first fight with Jon Jones. Gustafsson got tired and faded in rounds 4 and 5. This allowed Jones to mount a comeback in the championship rounds and make a case for him ultimately winning the fight. I don't think Gustafsson will get tired or fade in the rematch the way he did in the 1st fight.

Gustafsson's boxing also seems improved. The uppercuts he hit Glover Teixeira with were better than what he showed earlier in his career. If I'm remembering right, Gustafsson may have trained his boxing with the Klitschko brothers before his 1st fight with Jones. Not certain who his kickboxing coach is @ this point in time but it does seem as if his hands are sharper.

In mixed martial arts, everyone is improving, evolving and getting better over time. There are many old champions like Ben Henderson, Renan Barao, BJ Penn who failed to keep up and were left behind. Jon Jones has beaten the odds thus far. He has been able to get away with a lot of things the average MMA fighters couldn't get away with due to his exceptional athleticism. But there could come a time when active fighters like Alexander Gustafsson will continue to improve to a point where the gap between them and the Jon Jones of the world shrinks noticeably.

I got shocked too just when I thought BJ Penn already had enough on fighting in the octagon for good, he is still plans to fight with this time on a man who might even KO him in the octagon. BJ Penn already announced several retirements already which means he is indecisive whether or not he will continue to fight in the octagon. I love BJ Penn during his early years but I know a fighter who already got enough and had a good run, if he loses this one Dana White might step in and officially declare him unfit to fight in the UFC again and that is for his own good.

Very interesting fight card. At best prices the double on the favourites in the main and co-main pays 0.9/1, not a million miles off a coin toss.

I find it tough to see Nunes’ path to victory over Cyborg. Just feels like Cyborg is a bigger better version of Nunes, which is tough on a Nunes because she is an excellent fighter.

The Jones fight is what is putting me off the double. Jones should have a mortal lock on GOAT status now, but has managed to find reasons to not be allowed in a cage recently. the first fight with Gus was close, however there were stories that Jones had not trained properly for that. But he is coming off another extended layoff, and he didn’t look great against OSP last time he had a break, so am I convinced we see Jones back to his best here, maybe he is but if this was his second fight back I would be more convinced.

On the undercard I am surprised the betting on Zingano v Anderson is so close. I know Megan will have the size advantage, but is she really going to be able to keep this fight on the feet against Cat? I Just don’t see it, I thought Cat would be a far bigger favourite and will definitely be my biggest bet of the night.

@bbc.reporter - Yeah I agree, he always fall short when fighting big names in the LHW.

@Hydrogen  - I don't see any improvement though after Gus first fight with Jones. It will be close again, but not that razor thin we have seen in the previous fight. I wouldn't say that Jones will dominate Gus but it's going to be a clear win for him.

Notes.

--Montel Jackson aspired to wrestle in the olympics and found MMA when wrestling was briefly removed as an olympic sport. Could be a future prospect. Lost a close fight against Ricky Simon one of the more underrated and dangerous fighters in the division.

--Alexander Volkanovski trains out of City Kickboxing with Israel Adesanya, Shane Young and Dan Hooker. All of them have shown high level kickboxing I wouldn't count Volkanovski out even being a betting underdog. Volkanovski has also displayed good wrestling.

--BJ Penn didn't appear to have more than 1 round in him in his last fight with Dennis Siver. He tired quickly and didn't have much to show outside of a slim puncher's chance at ending things, against a guy also past his prime and not considered particularly dangerous.

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Main event.

Most assume the dominant super athlete of the past will show up in Jon Jones. My impressions are Jones deteriorated a little on his last comeback. Jones didn't look impressive in his comeback fight with Ovince St Preux. Jones took a lot more punches to the head in his last fight with Daniel Cormier than Jones would have absorbed in his prime.

Alexander Gustafsson is the opposite, his skills have shown improvement over time.

The fight could be closer than experts are expecting although its difficult to say how close given Jones being out so long and it being relatively unknown whether or not he has been taking care of himself during his USADA suspensions.

Also, the Swedish mauler Alexander Gustafsson cannot beat the real top 3 in the division. Jon Bones Jones, Anthony Rumble Johnson, and Daniel Fatman Cormier.

Well i'm not sure about that..gustaffson's already proven himself a match for bones and jones has been through a lot of issues outside the octagon. Let's see if he's laser focused. Though agree with cyborg being too guy lol. And what's this? Bj penn's on  card? 😱