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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 14, 2021, 10:34:56 PM

I just want to say this - if someone argues that the casinos need to be closed down, then they should provide alternate employment and compensation to all those who are going to lose their job. Very few businesses would be willing to operate in these areas and The Guardian wants to close down the few that are willing. And regarding casino owners, what is wrong if they make profits from a legitimate business? No one will start a business if they are not allowed to make profits. That argument doesn't make any sense.

I agree. The anti-gambling enthusiast should understand the "positive side" of the gambling business in those deprived areas. Don't just focus on the word "gambling" but instead look at the whole. They should not look only for a single tree but on the whole forest.

It's clear that the gambling industry makes a big economic contribution to that country and we quote;

"119,000 jobs"
"£4.5bn in tax"
"£7.7bn to the economy in gross value"

That stats are a big help coming from a pandemic.

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It is not right to blame the casino for that. For every gambler who gets addicted and play irresponsibly, there will be 20 others who will be doing that in a responsible manner. So the question is whether it is right to punish the other 20 people for the fault of one individual.

The government has given these gambling casinos license not for people to get addicted and make their lives miserable, it is an income and job-generating business, besides the tax, it generates jobs and sustains business within the casinos, it is not only a place to gamble and for people to get entertained but a part that sustain the country's economy, one example is Las Vegas and Macau it's not right to blame casinos they help the economy and help people to get entertained as well.

well, generating jobs is not the best way to justify something since tobacco smoking industry also does it and we can agree that something that makes more than 60% of users addicted with no clear benefits (besides money to producers) shouldn't be incetivized, it helps the economy but hurts health and society in general

not saying the same applies to gambling but adding to the logic here

things to think about

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How should they go about controlling these things? Should the government try and make laws to ban such behavior and such state? I think people should have a minimum wage for sure when it comes to gambling, what do you think ?

Do you suggest that the government should raise the minimum wages,so that more people could gamble?

Uh no, he doesn't. Pretty sure what he meant was there should be a minimum wage criterion when allowing people to gamble. E.g, a person who has an annual income of $100,000 should be the ones that are allowed to gamble (stupid sample, but it works). It's rather understandable really, with it in place it restricts a LOT of people from gambling however, this puts a pause to the possible profits a casino could get. It's literally a law that's placed to inhibit them from profiting. It's rather different from the age requirement since it's basically applied to all ages now, compared to the below 18/21 kind of law.

That is an interesting idea but one I do not think it is ever going to pass, people will immediately protest against this as it is going to seem to them as they are being discriminated against and the rich are being favored.

I know this measure if it were to be put in place will have the intention of protecting those that do not have a lot of money of losing it at the casino, but people are not going to view it that way, we need to stop with this paternalistic view of the government and think they can protect their citizens from everything bad that it could happen to them, it is better to give freedom to the people even if that means that sometimes they will make mistakes.

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Quote from: Mahanton on September 14, 2021, 04:53:34 PM

Comparing out online and offline casinos then i can say that they are still having some good share when it comes to revenue since there are still people who do gamble out on physical places
because people do much prefer on having real experience rather than playing online.So its a personal kind of preference since not all would be having the same interest.
Speaking off deprived areas on where those gambling places been placed on then its bit understandable that most of poor people residing will really be likely
to make gambling as an option to make some income which means losing is inevitable and thats a sure income to the casino owners.

the demographics of online casinos are probably quite different as well since they are not limited by place and can access people in different economic situations

there's that, the house always wins, regardless of medium

It is true that the house will be the final winner for whatever reason. Even someone who says that he has won the Jackpot, actually behind it all he does not say how much money he has spent before making a profit. Maybe 100x the deposit made for just one win. So back to the casino house that with the calculations that can be obtained, the casino is the winner.

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Not only that mate but the government itself needs to find alternative to where might get additional income generating market as we knew that Gambling businesses is one of the biggest tax paying in the world.
they even generate 20% of the GDP from gambling operator itself not counting the illegal activities as well.

But regulation will do better i guess and proper implementation of laws regarding those regulations.

I just want to say one thing. There are certain sectors like gambling, weed, alcohol, porn, prostitution.etc that have existed for thousands of years. Semitic religions consider them as taboo, and try to ban them. But they have existed much before these religions came into existence, and they will continue to exist no matter who tries to ban them. Those who try to ban them are just not able to admit the reality. I can give numerous examples. Iran, which has banned almost all of the professions/hobbies mentioned above has one of the highest rates of drug abuse and prostitution in the world. The same can be said about Afghanistan, India, Pakistan and most of the other third world nations.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 14, 2021, 10:34:56 PM

Quote from: Mahanton on September 14, 2021, 04:53:34 PM

Speaking off deprived areas on where those gambling places been placed on then its bit understandable that most of poor people residing will really be likely
to make gambling as an option to make some income which means losing is inevitable and thats a sure income to the casino owners.

I just want to say this - if someone argues that the casinos need to be closed down, then they should provide alternate employment and compensation to all those who are going to lose their job. Very few businesses would be willing to operate in these areas and The Guardian wants to close down the few that are willing. And regarding casino owners, what is wrong if they make profits from a legitimate business? No one will start a business if they are not allowed to make profits. That argument doesn't make any sense.

Not only that mate but the government itself needs to find alternative to where might get additional income generating market as we knew that Gambling businesses is one of the biggest tax paying in the world.
they even generate 20% of the GDP from gambling operator itself not counting the illegal activities as well.

But regulation will do better i guess and proper implementation of laws regarding those regulations.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 06, 2021, 11:50:44 AM

The most deprived areas of UK are actually having more number of gambling outlets, which is a matter of concern for sure.

Apparently according to the source people are targeting the most deprived and economically weak areas which is sad. The companies are trying to scam people away and this is not working well for the people around since they might get addicted for sure.

Same here in our country we have the majority of gambling outlets like Lottery in the most deprived sectors of our society, it's not really a source of concern because those hitting the jackpot are poor people and because of this it changes their life and their neighborhood as well, our government who runs these lottery outlets really targetted the poor people because they are likely to bet the ticket is not really that costly it only cost $0.50, and besides revenues generated from these outlets since it's government-run are allocated to the health sector.

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Quote from: Mahanton on September 14, 2021, 04:53:34 PM

Speaking off deprived areas on where those gambling places been placed on then its bit understandable that most of poor people residing will really be likely
to make gambling as an option to make some income which means losing is inevitable and thats a sure income to the casino owners.

I just want to say this - if someone argues that the casinos need to be closed down, then they should provide alternate employment and compensation to all those who are going to lose their job. Very few businesses would be willing to operate in these areas and The Guardian wants to close down the few that are willing. And regarding casino owners, what is wrong if they make profits from a legitimate business? No one will start a business if they are not allowed to make profits. That argument doesn't make any sense.

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Quote from: Mahanton on September 14, 2021, 04:53:34 PM

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 13, 2021, 10:05:21 PM

If someone is opposing 100% legal business by giving stupid arguments, then be sure that he is doing that on the behalf of someone else who has an ulterior motive in doing so. The article in The Guardian gives an impression that they want to remove gambling joints from poor areas in order to prevent lower class people from losing their money. But in reality the intention is not that noble. The real intention is to close down businesses that generate good number of direct and indirect jobs, and thereby create unemployment and chaos. Gamblers will continue with their activity, either at casinos close to their home, or at a distance from where they are residing in.

Gamblers will still visit them even though the casino is quite far away. A gambler would visit him and take big bets. With online casinos they don't have to travel far, and offline casinos will be short of income. The workers do not get income, because their place is deserted which in the end unemployment actually exacerbates the problem.

Comparing out online and offline casinos then i can say that they are still having some good share when it comes to revenue since there are still people who do gamble out on physical places
because people do much prefer on having real experience rather than playing online.So its a personal kind of preference since not all would be having the same interest.
Speaking off deprived areas on where those gambling places been placed on then its bit understandable that most of poor people residing will really be likely
to make gambling as an option to make some income which means losing is inevitable and thats a sure income to the casino owners.

the demographics of online casinos are probably quite different as well since they are not limited by place and can access people in different economic situations

there's that, the house always wins, regardless of medium

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 13, 2021, 10:05:21 PM

If someone is opposing 100% legal business by giving stupid arguments, then be sure that he is doing that on the behalf of someone else who has an ulterior motive in doing so. The article in The Guardian gives an impression that they want to remove gambling joints from poor areas in order to prevent lower class people from losing their money. But in reality the intention is not that noble. The real intention is to close down businesses that generate good number of direct and indirect jobs, and thereby create unemployment and chaos. Gamblers will continue with their activity, either at casinos close to their home, or at a distance from where they are residing in.

Gamblers will still visit them even though the casino is quite far away. A gambler would visit him and take big bets. With online casinos they don't have to travel far, and offline casinos will be short of income. The workers do not get income, because their place is deserted which in the end unemployment actually exacerbates the problem.

Comparing out online and offline casinos then i can say that they are still having some good share when it comes to revenue since there are still people who do gamble out on physical places
because people do much prefer on having real experience rather than playing online.So its a personal kind of preference since not all would be having the same interest.
Speaking off deprived areas on where those gambling places been placed on then its bit understandable that most of poor people residing will really be likely
to make gambling as an option to make some income which means losing is inevitable and thats a sure income to the casino owners.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 13, 2021, 10:05:21 PM

If someone is opposing 100% legal business by giving stupid arguments, then be sure that he is doing that on the behalf of someone else who has an ulterior motive in doing so. The article in The Guardian gives an impression that they want to remove gambling joints from poor areas in order to prevent lower class people from losing their money. But in reality the intention is not that noble. The real intention is to close down businesses that generate good number of direct and indirect jobs, and thereby create unemployment and chaos. Gamblers will continue with their activity, either at casinos close to their home, or at a distance from where they are residing in.

Gamblers will still visit them even though the casino is quite far away. A gambler would visit him and take big bets. With online casinos they don't have to travel far, and offline casinos will be short of income. The workers do not get income, because their place is deserted which in the end unemployment actually exacerbates the problem.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 06, 2021, 11:50:44 AM

According to the source :
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/23/uks-most-deprived-areas-have-highest-number-of-gambling-outlets-report

The most deprived areas of UK are actually having more number of gambling outlets, which is a matter of concern for sure.

Apparently according to the source people are targeting the most deprived and economically weak areas which is sad. The companies are trying to scam people away and this is not working well for the people around since they might get addicted for sure.

How should they go about controlling these things? Should the government try and make laws to ban such behavior and such state? I think people should have a minimum wage for sure when it comes to gambling, what do you think ?

Sad Reality , that whom those who struggles in life is those who are getting deeper in Vices like gambling , Liquor , Smoking and even Illegal drugs and prostitution .

while UK has a good stand is pushing responsible gambling yet this is what happening .

hope this will settle in good manners.

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Quote from: STT on September 13, 2021, 04:41:34 PM

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If it's possible, the only way to remove gambling addiction is to ban all of the gambling platforms

Business didnt invent gambling, they might as well ban the sun from rising everyday too. This monumental egotistical idea of banning something to alter the world in your own imagined genius is best reserved for communist regimes and other deluded parts of the world where they believe force and the threat of force is the most powerful driver of a nation.

It is not easy to remove or ban all of the gambling platforms in the country because many people have already been involved in gambling from a long time ago.
It will not easy to accept the government's new rules but it could lead to a big demonstration from them, especially if the country is allowed to gamble in their country before.
What the government can do is just educate their people and tell them that playing gambling can make their lives ruin and will not have a chance to get their money back.
If the government consistently doing that thing, I guess their people sooner or later will realize and will reduce their time to playing gambling.
It is important to wake them up and sees the reality of playing gambling can damage their life so they can change their habit and make a better life without playing gambling.

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Quote from: haidil on September 13, 2021, 12:53:01 PM

And indeed the casinos are not to blame, they are just promoting the casino without being responsible for the addiction, because addiction is an individual thing which is only controlled by the individual gambler. regarding this there is no rule of responsibility in individual nature, unless there is something like loss caused by cheating, theft in the casino, then it will be the responsibility of the casino. With good reason that this is in the realm of gambling. Additionally, we can refer to the FAQ where the terms can give us insight into what the gambler's rights are and the casino's own rights.

If someone is opposing 100% legal business by giving stupid arguments, then be sure that he is doing that on the behalf of someone else who has an ulterior motive in doing so. The article in The Guardian gives an impression that they want to remove gambling joints from poor areas in order to prevent lower class people from losing their money. But in reality the intention is not that noble. The real intention is to close down businesses that generate good number of direct and indirect jobs, and thereby create unemployment and chaos. Gamblers will continue with their activity, either at casinos close to their home, or at a distance from where they are residing in.

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If it's possible, the only way to remove gambling addiction is to ban all of the gambling platforms

Business didnt invent gambling, they might as well ban the sun from rising everyday too. This monumental egotistical idea of banning something to alter the world in your own imagined genius is best reserved for communist regimes and other deluded parts of the world where they believe force and the threat of force is the most powerful driver of a nation.

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Operators do find a way to make their business profitable, and if they find it profitable running a business in such areas, they would pursue it.

However, if the government sees it's concerning, they should not grant a license in the first place.

I think it's the job of the government here to evaluate an application before approving it, and they always look at the effect of the community, but if money works and corruption is happening, there's no sense of explaining to them as they will not see the potential risk of running a casino in deprived areas where people might easily get addicted to gambling.

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This is just business and the owner of this kind of business will surely expose people that want easy money, they will surely put those gambling outlets where there are people that want that, the people that are very gullible in making a risk without further seeing things why gambling exist and just thinking about the amount of money they can get when they bet on it,

Surely I don't think people with this kind of mindset would not really learn cause they need to change it or else they mind become addicted to it, or so they are already addicted to it, imagine people are always betting every day even with small amounts if they keep on betting every day it is profit for those outlet owners.

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But I don't really support teen gambling as their main way of earning. Do not let this become the foundation of the economic axis and so on as the foundation. Because like most people addiction is not a good thing, not only in gambling, anything in excess will have bad consequences later in life.
You know how gambling takes all possessions at one time. Therefore, gambling as entertainment is the right choice.

Gambling can never be a form of earning. It can be treated as a form of entertainment or socializing, but never as a job or career. And you are right when you mention about addiction towards gambling. But the question is who should be held accountable for that. Gambling responsibly, in my opinion is the duty of the gambler. It is not right to blame the casino for that. For every gambler who gets addicted and play irresponsibly, there will be 20 others who will be doing that in a responsible manner. So the question is whether it is right to punish the other 20 people for the fault of one individual.

And indeed the casinos are not to blame, they are just promoting the casino without being responsible for the addiction, because addiction is an individual thing which is only controlled by the individual gambler. regarding this there is no rule of responsibility in individual nature, unless there is something like loss caused by cheating, theft in the casino, then it will be the responsibility of the casino. With good reason that this is in the realm of gambling. Additionally, we can refer to the FAQ where the terms can give us insight into what the gambler's rights are and the casino's own rights.

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This will not happen, not because it is a business or not a business. This approach is too totalitarian, and even those who do not think about the global relationship between the state and the individual understand this. If the sphere of gambling has been destroyed today, what will prevent the state from destroying any other one tomorrow? Or declare sex a harmful addiction and allow it on coupons? Nobody wants these options.

It may sound outlandish. But I am afraid that with every passing year such authoritarian regimes are becoming more and more frequent. Governments are increasingly tilting towards the left-wing and ultra-left side of the spectrum and these guys are perfectly OK with zero anonymity and zero personal liberties. KYC is being implemented everywhere, even for a $100 cryptocurrency purchase. The justification being given is that there are guys who are indulging in tax evasion and drug purchases, and so all the transactions need to be verified.

You're right. And especially clearly all these left-wing and totalitarian tendencies are visible in the situation with covid - many countries have introduced completely insane and unconstitutional decisions, and of course they all did it "for our good." But I am optimistic in this matter as I see that many people understand the essence of things and actively resist these tendencies.

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Just to clarify what the article meant, this is not about having a solution to gambling problems. It's telling us that on deprived areas, people can afford to do gambling regardless of their financial status. Lots of gambling establishment on these areas and it's almost a common view there. An everyday part of the life of those people living there.

If gambling addiction is really an issue there, the government will surely do something about it as it's easy for them to remove those gambling outlets at those areas but the number of gambling establishments are still growing. I doubt that government is just for the tax and disregarding gambling problems on those areas if any.

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