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Actually the history of gambling in England has been going on for centuries, so it will be very difficult for the British government to eliminate or prohibit its people from gambling today,
Not really, although in England gambling has become a culture of entertainment for the people there, which has been for centuries, but in England gambling services are supervised and the laws are strict, which is guarded by the commission (UKGC), they are fully responsible for gambling companies in the UK, they can revoke, fine and impose strict sanctions on gambling companies operating in the UK, Every gambling industry that commits a violation can be punished, especially for the gambling industry that operates in residential areas of the poor, with a minimum wage, if (UKGC) does not take action in the area it can result in acts such as: crime, murder, theft and so on, because their income is below average, it all can happen when they lose in gambling, of course who is to blame here, it must be the gambling industry that carries out operations in the area.

This kind of thing doesn't only happen in England, in regions/countries that have official laws, this can happen, if the poor are made into assets of the gambling industry's income.

For this reason, it is necessary for the British government to enforce strict rules and laws against the gambling industry there, as well as the people living in the region, except: they have maximum income not classified as poor.
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Rich people are not rich because they squander their money on gambling.... the poor to middle class are the ideal target for casinos, because these people are desperate. Just visit a brick n mortar casino close to you and observe the kind of people that are gambling there...

The majority of the people who hang out at the casinos close to me, come from the age group 65 years and older. These are the people that are possibly on pension with no opportunities to get some extra income. (They just hope to hit the Jackpot with a minimum bet, so that they can have a better life)

A lot of these people get monthly pension payments and they have loads of time to sit there and bet with minimum bets.. until they hit the big one. (Also, most of them are old ladies... because the men die earlier and they are left with his retirement income)  Roll Eyes
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Apparently according to the source people are targeting the most deprived and economically weak areas which is sad. The companies are trying to scam people away and this is not working well for the people around since they might get addicted for sure.

How should they go about controlling these things? Should the government try and make laws to ban such behavior and such state? I think people should have a minimum wage for sure when it comes to gambling, what do you think ?

Gambling in UK is legal they are not scamming people these are legit companies and they are licensed the government has no control over where the gambling companies are going to set up their shop, they can only warn people about the harmful effects of gambling, gambling companies or any business want their location in a strategic place, where people are very easy to locate them and transportation is accessible.
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Doesn't seem to be the case in other countries.

Most other countries have zones in which casinos/junket operators exclusively operate in, and these zones generally have a lot of public infrastructure and development due to the tax revenues that they bring in.

Not sure why this applies to the UK to be honest.

The media is just distorting facts and creating clickbait articles. I read the article fully. It states that 21% of the gambling joints are located in the poorest tenth of the country (mostly because of lower rent). It is not like 70% or 80% of the businesses located there. If the religious nuts have power, then they would like to ban each and every form of entertainment (similar to what is happening in Afghanistan). They are unable to do so, and that is the reason why they want to sway public opinion with these sort of sensationalist articles. 

all for the clicks. new sites always will do the same excessive articles more like fake news all for clicks. it is probably related to politics too not just religion. we do have casinos in my country, but only the unregulated ones that will establish in the poorest areas most probably owned by the local corrupt police officers but the legit will not really go to the poorest, it's like attracting robbers if it's in the poorest area.




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Doesn't seem to be the case in other countries.

Most other countries have zones in which casinos/junket operators exclusively operate in, and these zones generally have a lot of public infrastructure and development due to the tax revenues that they bring in.

Not sure why this applies to the UK to be honest.

The media is just distorting facts and creating clickbait articles. I read the article fully. It states that 21% of the gambling joints are located in the poorest tenth of the country (mostly because of lower rent). It is not like 70% or 80% of the businesses located there. If the religious nuts have power, then they would like to ban each and every form of entertainment (similar to what is happening in Afghanistan). They are unable to do so, and that is the reason why they want to sway public opinion with these sort of sensationalist articles. 
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Doesn't seem to be the case in other countries.

Most other countries have zones in which casinos/junket operators exclusively operate in, and these zones generally have a lot of public infrastructure and development due to the tax revenues that they bring in.

Not sure why this applies to the UK to be honest.
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Maybe they do not have to ban gambling but increase the awareness from the people and explain how gambling can ruin their lives and they will regret it to be involved in gambling. They can use a soft approach to their people, and I am sure they will have the right method to communicate with their people and find a way to explain to them. After all, if they can use many ways to educate their people, sooner or later, their people will concern about their lives and of course, they do not have to play gambling to earn money.
I think the regulations implemented by the officials of a country will not be far from political and they don't care whether it benefits society or not later, for example in my country, the government prohibits alcohol and tries to limit smoking but they instead allow alcohol and cigarettes imported from abroad to enter and take huge profits from the cost of importing these goods, isn't that a funny thing?
Of course, the regulations will benefit some groups or people in the government, but those people pretend that it is for all of their people by explaining the benefits to their people. People are tired of seeing those people lying to them and benefits from that and sometimes, we see many demonstrations from the people against the government that can not see what is happening to their people. The rules are temporary, but after that, they will be breaks by those people or some people in the government.
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Aside from maybe cheaper rental fees of these casinos to that type of area, they can easily find patrons because if there are more people who have no jobs, they tend to go to the casino  and try their luck to get some winnings. On the other hand, they can offer jobs to these people. Now, it boils down to how these people will really use these casinos to their advantage. But of course, these casinos are mainly for their profit. If they are not getting good profit, I guess, they can easily close down and move to another place.

It's more on the business side, we can respect that they can also offer a possible job for people who reside near to this site though following you in terms of money making profits. Casino mostly attracts gamblers whatever state they have in life as long as they have money to use as capital they are allowed to play.

Jobless person who have some money mostly think casino as a good shortcut way to earn money, thinking that there are possibilities that they can outsmart the machines, or if they'll play card games, they can use good strategy to milk out the house.

But in reality, they are the one who will suffer in the long run house will keep collecting money from them as addiction may start to trigger and out of control will take place.
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Ohh this is actually very harmful to the society long-term. When you target a specific group of people towards an activity which is highly addicting, it only means one thing- profit for the business owners. Now, if you talk about the unprivileged sector of society, this may not only harm their livelihood but this would cascade into much more bigger problem in the future.

I do hope that the government can somehow intervene in this process by implementing a higher tax rates on these business establishments.

Yes this kind of bahaviors is morally critical.But If we look deep, i think those deprived areas in UK (like many other deprived areas in the world) are also the target for other industries like tobacco and alcohol, which would also harm the people's livehood (industry of addiction). So it's not an exclusivity for gambling companies to focus on those areas.

Applying new restrictions for gambling houses won't only harm those businesses but a large part of the global economy. However, those restrictions may be useless as the gambling companies can just leave those areas then offer to users a mobile app with all the features he used to find in a concrete gambling outlet. Also think about gamblers from those deprived areas when limit the activities of his favorite passtime game .

Aside from maybe cheaper rental fees of these casinos to that type of area, they can easily find patrons because if there are more people who have no jobs, they tend to go to the casino  and try their luck to get some winnings. On the other hand, they can offer jobs to these people. Now, it boils down to how these people will really use these casinos to their advantage. But of course, these casinos are mainly for their profit. If they are not getting good profit, I guess, they can easily close down and move to another place.
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Ohh this is actually very harmful to the society long-term. When you target a specific group of people towards an activity which is highly addicting, it only means one thing- profit for the business owners. Now, if you talk about the unprivileged sector of society, this may not only harm their livelihood but this would cascade into much more bigger problem in the future.

I do hope that the government can somehow intervene in this process by implementing a higher tax rates on these business establishments.

Yes this kind of bahaviors is morally critical.But If we look deep, i think those deprived areas in UK (like many other deprived areas in the world) are also the target for other industries like tobacco and alcohol, which would also harm the people's livehood (industry of addiction). So it's not an exclusivity for gambling companies to focus on those areas.

Applying new restrictions for gambling houses won't only harm those businesses but a large part of the global economy. However, those restrictions may be useless as the gambling companies can just leave those areas then offer to users a mobile app with all the features he used to find in a concrete gambling outlet. Also think about gamblers from those deprived areas when limit the activities of his favorite passtime game .
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How should they go about controlling these things? Should the government try and make laws to ban such behavior and such state? I think people should have a minimum wage for sure when it comes to gambling, what do you think ?

I think the topic was already discussed. I just can't remember who's the thread starter or I think it's you?
Yes, it has been already discussed and one of the possible reasons mentioned on why these businesses are localized in such areas it's because rents are cheaper for businessmen.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/uk-20-of-the-gambling-venues-are-located-at-the-poorest-part-of-the-country-5356182

The fact that there are more gambling outlets in the deprived areas, people here have lots of opportunities to play with their luck. Since they are poor or let's say average earners, they can't avoid hoping for a big win. Maybe to regulate this or if the government have a plan of controlling the gambling behaviours in the deprived areas, they should limit the gambling owners and operators to establish gambling outlets in those areas.
I think people are free to to decide what to do with their lives or money and suffer or enjoy the consequences for their choices later. It's part of the free will guaranteed us by God and it goes much beyond the power or influence any social justice warriors think they have. People need to learn by their own mistakes or by advices given by others and there isn't another way besides those two options.
Prohibitions, law enforcements are a third option created by men, although they are useless.

For an example, you said gambling should be limited in deprived areas, however will that prevent people from these areas to go to another ones in order to keep gambling? As you can see the initial solution created another problem, that will need a new solution that will consequently create another problem. And things will keep getting complicated in an eternal chaotic cycle created by men, just because they can't stick with only those two initial alternatives which are the key for solving each one's personal difficulties in life.
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When i was still addicted in gambling , there is some place outside the city that i visited in which they have illegal casino operation.

When i try to visit and play , you can see that almost all the gamblers are people in which in lower level of living and they find the place because the casino offers much little funds require to play and that made them more active there.

this same scenario in what OP is pointing that most gamblers in that region are poor but they are the most addicted one.

That's a point of concern. This means that people living in low level life, wants to get rich quickly and the only way they find to get quick money without working hard is gambling. Gambling casino know this and they open casino's on these places.
I think the people need to train and tell that they already have low funds and if they spend and lose all the funds in gambling, how will they live  Huh

well, we heard this story before
poor people who get rich somehow (lottery or sudden fame) only to spend it all

present x future mindset plays a role here

when you have little sometimes it's hard to understand the importance of saving because you have to deal with present situations on a daily base in an urgent way, like to find food or shelter.

changing this mindset and being able to focus on the future too is a must to be able to change ones situation

Well i agree that poor people do get rich by playing gambling but tell me the ratio of those people ? They are few only examples where people turn their fortunes by plating gambling. In most of the case, the reality is not the same. 99% of the people only lose their money and their life become more miserable than before.
We should remember one thing that there is no short cut to become rich in this world.
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When i was still addicted in gambling , there is some place outside the city that i visited in which they have illegal casino operation.

When i try to visit and play , you can see that almost all the gamblers are people in which in lower level of living and they find the place because the casino offers much little funds require to play and that made them more active there.

this same scenario in what OP is pointing that most gamblers in that region are poor but they are the most addicted one.

That's a point of concern. This means that people living in low level life, wants to get rich quickly and the only way they find to get quick money without working hard is gambling. Gambling casino know this and they open casino's on these places.
I think the people need to train and tell that they already have low funds and if they spend and lose all the funds in gambling, how will they live  Huh

well, we heard this story before
poor people who get rich somehow (lottery or sudden fame) only to spend it all

present x future mindset plays a role here

when you have little sometimes it's hard to understand the importance of saving because you have to deal with present situations on a daily base in an urgent way, like to find food or shelter.

changing this mindset and being able to focus on the future too is a must to be able to change ones situation
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Actually the history of gambling in England has been going on for centuries, so it will be very difficult for the British government to eliminate or prohibit its people from gambling today, from several existing cases, gambling in England occurs due to the lifestyle of the people who are too high but their income is small, thus triggering them to gamble because it is a shortcut for them to become rich.


They cannot do that it will be met by strong opposition from the gambling community which is a huge community, they can only warn people and educate them on the many risks of too much involvement in gambling, and besides they are generating revenues from taxing these gambling companies, it's futile banning gambling in a country that is democratic.

yes you are right, because indeed gambling in England has been going on for quite a long time so it will be difficult to eliminate, but the regulations made today by the UK are not strict regulations in my opinion and if they apply them there will certainly be social and economic inequality for poor society


Maybe they do not have to ban gambling but increase the awareness from the people and explain how gambling can ruin their lives and they will regret it to be involved in gambling. They can use a soft approach to their people, and I am sure they will have the right method to communicate with their people and find a way to explain to them. After all, if they can use many ways to educate their people, sooner or later, their people will concern about their lives and of course, they do not have to play gambling to earn money.

I think the regulations implemented by the officials of a country will not be far from political and they don't care whether it benefits society or not later, for example in my country, the government prohibits alcohol and tries to limit smoking but they instead allow alcohol and cigarettes imported from abroad to enter and take huge profits from the cost of importing these goods, isn't that a funny thing?
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When i was still addicted in gambling , there is some place outside the city that i visited in which they have illegal casino operation.

When i try to visit and play , you can see that almost all the gamblers are people in which in lower level of living and they find the place because the casino offers much little funds require to play and that made them more active there.

this same scenario in what OP is pointing that most gamblers in that region are poor but they are the most addicted one.

That's a point of concern. This means that people living in low level life, wants to get rich quickly and the only way they find to get quick money without working hard is gambling. Gambling casino know this and they open casino's on these places.
I think the people need to train and tell that they already have low funds and if they spend and lose all the funds in gambling, how will they live  Huh
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Actually the history of gambling in England has been going on for centuries, so it will be very difficult for the British government to eliminate or prohibit its people from gambling today, from several existing cases, gambling in England occurs due to the lifestyle of the people who are too high but their income is small, thus triggering them to gamble because it is a shortcut for them to become rich.
They cannot do that it will be met by strong opposition from the gambling community which is a huge community, they can only warn people and educate them on the many risks of too much involvement in gambling, and besides they are generating revenues from taxing these gambling companies, it's futile banning gambling in a country that is democratic.
Maybe they do not have to ban gambling but increase the awareness from the people and explain how gambling can ruin their lives and they will regret it to be involved in gambling. They can use a soft approach to their people, and I am sure they will have the right method to communicate with their people and find a way to explain to them. After all, if they can use many ways to educate their people, sooner or later, their people will concern about their lives and of course, they do not have to play gambling to earn money.
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Businessmen taking advantage of the poor people's desire to have more money is common in all parts of the world. You see a lot of poor people flock lottery booths and different gambling places so I'm more surprised to read the statements of the people in the news article as if it's something new. "Disturbing" hehehe

This is common practice not only in the UK but in some parts of the world where authorities are rare to visit such places. I think most of them wanted to have a chance to gain more income in a day. But most likely they've lost all the time and at the same time, they've become addicted as well. I think when the game is not big and the players don't up to a hundred or something like that, the government doesn't really care and they let the people play as if they've done something just for fun. In our place, they bet on something you think is just a normal basketball game but sometimes the amount they reach up to $5,000 to $10,000 depends on the players inside the court.
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When i was still addicted in gambling , there is some place outside the city that i visited in which they have illegal casino operation.

When i try to visit and play , you can see that almost all the gamblers are people in which in lower level of living and they find the place because the casino offers much little funds require to play and that made them more active there.

this same scenario in what OP is pointing that most gamblers in that region are poor but they are the most addicted one.
I think that happens too in other countries or cities, but we do not know because we are not gamblers who spend our time gambling.
Gambling really attracts people to test their luck and see how good they are playing gambling.
But most people do not understand that gambling also risks losing all of the money anytime.
It is sad to see if the most addicted people are the people who live near to the casino.
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One of the promotion when a gambling establishments were going to construct in a low economic area was to create and give the residents of the area a job where they can make their daily living. Here in my country, we are being glad whenever a businessman wanted to put a business establishments in our area because it only means that it could generate a job even if it is a gambling business but I always come to think about the pros and cons of this. Pros are they could generate a job for the residents and cons was those people who are really into gambling would be more likely willing to admit themselves in gambling activities even if they are only made a living for their family in a exact cost.
But it isn't exactly the best type of job to give to people. There are a lot more other businesses out there that could generate more jobs for people to take. Take for example, general merchandise type of stores, even more so if it were made into a chain type of stores in multiple areas, in fact, just the construction of buildings for businesses already generate jobs for others, so them making a gambling establishment to help people doesn't really make much sense. Ofc, if that was us taking into account them only wanting to help, if it was only for pure profitability, then yea, gambling would be one of the better options.
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this is a good point, for their economic growth, the government should call in all the companies that employ people in the region and make laws with proper wages that are appropriate in england, it is to prevent them from engaging in gambling more broadly, decent living and wages and strict laws will reduce them in gambling activities.
Actually the history of gambling in England has been going on for centuries, so it will be very difficult for the British government to eliminate or prohibit its people from gambling today, from several existing cases, gambling in England occurs due to the lifestyle of the people who are too high but their income is small, thus triggering them to gamble because it is a shortcut for them to become rich.


One of the promotion when a gambling establishments were going to construct in a low economic area was to create and give the residents of the area a job where they can make their daily living. Here in my country, we are being glad whenever a businessman wanted to put a business establishments in our area because it only means that it could generate a job even if it is a gambling business but I always come to think about the pros and cons of this. Pros are they could generate a job for the residents and cons was those people who are really into gambling would be more likely willing to admit themselves in gambling activities even if they are only made a living for their family in a exact cost.
That's right, providing a job with a decent wage can certainly be one solution to reduce gambling, I think that with the fulfillment of the community's needs from a decent wage, of course, gradually people will leave gambling as an alternative to get wealth and with a decent job of course they will spend time just working so they can forget about gambling.
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