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Darksend is a remake of coinjoin.

Enough said

All the props to coinjoin for laying down the foundation!

Sounds great! Where is it?

Theres the rub: There exist no ready made, easy-to-use software for doing this.  You can make the transactions by hand using bitcoin-qt and the raw transactions API, as we did in that "taint rich" thread, but to make this into a practical reality we need easy-to-use automated tools.

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Personally, most of my coding brain capacity is spent on other things which are even more important to me. And what I could spare on Bitcoin is spent on more core and security things— if I work on anything wallet related anytime soon it will likely be improving the privacy behavior of coin selection... But moreover:

Anyone who builds this is going to be accused of enabling criminal activity, it doesn't matter if any actual criminals use this or not: Criminal activity sells headlines. Being a Bitcoin core developer already fills my quota for accusations of this kind, especially my quota for risk that I'm not even paid for.

In reality, real criminals don't need CoinJoin if they have even the slightest clue: They can afford to buy privacy in a way that regular users cannot, it's just a cost of their (often lucrative) business.

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I know that making such a tool doesn't fit into the get-rich-quick mold of many Bitcoin businesses, but the importance is self-apparent and the simplest versions of this don't require very deep technical wizardry. I think the "political" risk of improving people's privacy is a real one that you should carefully consider, but around these parts I see people sticking their names on some rather outrageously risky stuff. I'd hoped the "taint rich" thread would be enough to inspire some community action, but perhaps this will be.

So, instead, I ask you: Where is it?

Shit I might as well. Looking how much $$$ I can make off it! Dayum. HAHAHAH.
I can play COD and Battlefield all in the same damn time and stream Netflix with a beer. Cable Modem is weak sauce. I've got my own gigs.

I think you should run a masternode or two. 

My Google Fiber runs at Gigabit speeds. What shitty company are you on? BAHAHAHAHA.. Cable Modem? Sooooo 1990s.

My Google Fiber runs at Gigabit speeds. What shitty company are you on? BAHAHAHAHA.. Cable Modem? Sooooo 1990s.

Hey those are the words I heard in the Dark forum, all other coin mixers like Fedora or XC are shit but Dark's is somehow special...even though if it was so special why did it have to change to the masternodes concept...and if the masternodes concept is perfect why will it now be replaced by something "better" than ring signatures after MRO and BCN came out with guns blazing...

Why not cut to the chase and work on the FINAL ultimate solution instead of building out these semi-anonymous methods of coin obfuscation along the way towards the final product? Oh right because RC1, RC2, RC 4 and RC4 are cute buzzwords to help build up hype and collect more ca$h along the way.

You do realize it's a trustless decentralized coin mixer? Think hard on those two bolded words. It's not basic.

As for being "truly decentralized", if you are referring to the decentralized masternode network, I don't get what is better in having people run nodes on their personal computers running on crappy cable modems than having dedicated servers running on gigabit connections when you are going to need dedicated nodes in your network anyway! So they might as well do the anonymizing as well. There will be thousands of dedicated masternodes with 100% uptime 24/7, compare that to at most few hundred personal computers with their wallets open while they play some call of duty or whatever behind their cable modems.


I would think a masternode running on a dedicated server with a gigabit network connection provides far less dodgy service than average Joe's laptop behind a wi-fi.

Probably the problem also for them is that they think it's just "a basic coin mixer".

Darksend is at heart a basic coin mixer

The only advantage DRK has right now is the dodgy masternodes that offer more decentralisation... cling onto that whilst you can because by this time next month we'll be past it.

I've done some prospecting a while earlier, I saw around 4-5 coins claim to have projects in the works or to be anonymous wallets (scams - amateurish). I'm only counting bitcoin-code base, not bytecoin clones.

XLB is the most epic fail. The did a bounty to hire a dev, he couldn't do it and then they hired a chinese software firm to do it for them (which will be commencing work sometime soon I suppose). That'll end up well.

Probably the problem also for them is that they think it's just "a basic coin mixer".

Just curious, how many coins after DRK have tried to implement an anonymity feature to take advantage of the hype? And how many of those coins have actually managed to release a functioning anonymity feature?

Just curious, how many coins after DRK have tried to implement an anonymity feature to take advantage of the hype? And how many of those coins have actually managed to release a functioning anonymity feature?

You know it was set-up to look like Darkcoin. Everyone with half a brain knows the little scam that is going on.

If its a real project and produces real anonymity on par with darkcoin by this time next year, I'll give you 100 DRK. no questions asked. I couldn't give a shit which project has the better anonymity. I'll invest in the best projects.

Are you prepared to put your money where your mouth is?

Name a trusted escrow. We can do it today. I'll happily accept XC if you think it will have value.