Unofficial BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread - page 12.

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Quote from: georgem on March 10, 2014, 04:24:07 PM

Quote from: lossminer on March 10, 2014, 04:19:20 PM

but whats the basis of 50% max? Nothing in the ToS right?

No, but only the "reinterpretation" by giorgiomassa in his "famous last words":

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5362648

I still strongly believe that any lawyer would agree that the CPP is supposed to continue until the device can be build.

If not, one has to ask if giorgiomassa simply gambled and assumed/hoped that many people would rather give up and ask for a refund?

A lawyer should investigate if giorgiomassa intentionally started this scheme so he could finance his business with our money, and pay us back our own money plus interest only after more than 5 months.
(because that's about the duration bitmine owns your money, until they have to give it back)

I read that too, but the original ToS says nothing about a 50% compensation maximum, so he made up that "rule" later and we should not accept that (it's not legal anyway I guess). I hope Bitmine.ch realizes they can't pull any extra tricks on us waiting customers.... we will see what happens...

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Quote from: giorgiotheclown on March 11, 2014, 10:46:47 AM

Quote from: georgem on March 11, 2014, 10:08:01 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: georgem on March 11, 2014, 09:40:06 AM

Quote from: Schinder75 on March 11, 2014, 09:38:12 AM

For each subsequential 10 minutes you hold the line, you get 10% more attention up to a maximum of 50% ;-)

HAHA!!

Btw. when I visited Bitmine and asked about my order, Christian told me that I will get 2TH. (I've ordered 1TH Rig shipping February)

So how come they give you 100%?
Did you use some kind of jedi mind trick.

Ah wait.. they "promised" you something...
like... do they even have a Rig Prototype ready yet?

is that the reason why RETRO GAMER disappeared? fishy?
@retrogamer regards

year.... where is retro gamer -> we have tuesday and he is LOST..... ohoh....

"ein schelm wer böses dabei denkt"

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Quote from: georgem on March 11, 2014, 10:08:01 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: georgem on March 11, 2014, 09:40:06 AM

Quote from: Schinder75 on March 11, 2014, 09:38:12 AM

For each subsequential 10 minutes you hold the line, you get 10% more attention up to a maximum of 50% ;-)

HAHA!!

Btw. when I visited Bitmine and asked about my order, Christian told me that I will get 2TH. (I've ordered 1TH Rig shipping February)

So how come they give you 100%?
Did you use some kind of jedi mind trick.

Ah wait.. they "promised" you something...
like... do they even have a Rig Prototype ready yet?

is that the reason why RETRO GAMER disappeared? fishy?
@retrogamer regards

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Quote from: Wolke on March 11, 2014, 09:27:37 AM

@ bitmine @ giorgiomassa

are you rolling me ?

-> go on your telefon,
i'am waiting more than 45 minutes....

this is not serious

Please stop send mails and call him if not my order will be delayed !!!! Cheesy

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: georgem on March 11, 2014, 09:40:06 AM

Quote from: Schinder75 on March 11, 2014, 09:38:12 AM

For each subsequential 10 minutes you hold the line, you get 10% more attention up to a maximum of 50% ;-)

HAHA!!

Btw. when I visited Bitmine and asked about my order, Christian told me that I will get 2TH. (I've ordered 1TH Rig shipping February)

So how come they give you 100%?
Did you use some kind of jedi mind trick.

Ah wait.. they "promised" you something...
like... do they even have a Rig Prototype ready yet?

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Quote from: Schinder75 on March 11, 2014, 09:38:12 AM

For each subsequential 10 minutes you hold the line, you get 10% more attention up to a maximum of 50% ;-)

HAHA!!

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Quote from: Wolke on March 11, 2014, 09:27:37 AM

@ bitmine @ giorgiomassa

are you rolling me ?

-> go on your telefon,
i'am waiting more than 40 minutes....

For each subsequential 10 minutes you hold the line, you get 10% more attention up to a maximum of 50% ;-)

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@ bitmine @ giorgiomassa

are you rolling me ?

-> go on your telefon,
i'am waiting more than 45 minutes....

this is not serious

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Quote from: Schinder75 on March 11, 2014, 09:02:18 AM

Maybe just a stupid stupid question.

My shipping date is "March 1 week".

So what exact date should I expect to be my shipping date?

01.03 or 08.03?

I dont find any definiton about first week in month. Does the week need to be completly in this month or is it enough that one day is in the month? I heared about both variants, nobody knows it really....

I really don't want to give you an answer. Because I have heard very inconsistent answers by bitmine.
I think it is deliberate that they let the interpretation open, so that they can interpret it any way they like.

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Quote from: tranquille on March 11, 2014, 07:30:25 AM

WTF is wrong with you. Read the CPP or get out. You are acting as a rogue agent here - and very likely are influenced by bitmine.
IF you are a customer why would you post sh*t like that?

Yes I'm a customer. And the only contact I've had with Bitmine is a single email asking for my order number.

I've been in the mining business since early 2011. And because I've seen ASIC companies failing time and time again I was prepared for Bitmine to join all the other failures. I have no illusions of making a profit anymore. Now I'm just hoping that my order is delayed for a couple of weeks more so that I can request a refund and maybe get my money back.

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Maybe just a stupid stupid question.

My shipping date is "March 1 week".

So what exact date should I expect to be my shipping date?

01.03 or 08.03?

I dont find any definiton about first week in month. Does the week need to be completly in this month or is it enough that one day is in the month? I heared about both variants, nobody knows it really....

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Quote from: Wolke on March 11, 2014, 07:21:34 AM

one small questien: how many day from the order date i have the right to -> "wiederrufsrecht"... in switzerland ??

in germany i think i can cancel an online order up to 30 day...

That right does not apply if it's for custom made or built to measure goods

You can't just go to a tailor, order a made to measure suit and after 30 days while he is sewing it up, cancel your order. Or at least he should have charged you a non-refundable deposit

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Quote from: Finnminer on March 10, 2014, 05:04:46 PM

Quote from: georgem on March 10, 2014, 04:48:57 PM

The CPP was advertized as a security against delay.
A security can't and shouldn't be abused. That's illegal.

After 60 days you get more money back than what you paid in the first place. How on earth can you see that as illegal or abusing anything? Name one mainstream company that offers better terms if you decide to cancel your order.

Who cares about any other company?

People were ordering because of the CPP. You are now saying that no one should have ever reckoned that to be valid?

WTF is wrong with you. Read the CPP or get out. You are acting as a rogue agent here - and very likely are influenced by bitmine.
IF you are a customer why would you post sh*t like that?

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Quote from: Finnminer on March 10, 2014, 04:29:00 PM

Come the fuck on! Every single buyer should have understood that it's risky to put money on a pre order miner. You all read the BFL threads. That was a fucking success for everyone involved. Sure hook me up for some of that please!

Ohnoes, it's been 12 months and I still haven't cancelled my order. I want my 360% CPP. Yeah, right. It was pretty fucking clear from the beginning that you get 10% per 10 days until you reach 60 days and then you get your money back.

Yes, everyone's frustrated that the bet didn't pay off, but there is no free money! You thought you'd make a quick buck and it didn't work out. Yeah well, that's life. If it'd be that easy everyone would be rich.

Sorry for the rant but it annoys me enormously that everyone's acting like they bought a book on Amazon, when in reality they chose to put heir money on something incredibly risky in order to possibly make a ton of money. If you wanted safe, you could've bought a miner that was in stock. But of course that wouldn't have been nearly as profitable. I wonder why...

You´re out of your mind and probably biased out of reasons I can very well imagine.

CPP was THE single reason most of people accepted the deal in the first place.

It´s not about potential theoretical risks but only about a contract and staying true to that as to one´s words.

And no one is acting like he bought on Amazon - you are exaggerating vastly here. We are waiting almost twice the time we were supposed to wait.

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one small questien: how many day from the order date i have the right to -> "wiederrufsrecht"... in switzerland ??

in germany i think i can cancel an online order up to 30 day...

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Quote from: Finnminer on March 11, 2014, 05:18:56 AM

Quote from: Newar on March 11, 2014, 04:34:55 AM

Quote from: Finnminer on March 10, 2014, 05:04:46 PM

After 60 days you get more money back than what you paid in the first place. [...]

Who got their refund?

I don't know. Is there someone who's asked for a refund and not received it? Until there's proof that they don't refund I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

It´s not about the refund anymore. The refund is the worst option - simply because of lost revenue and lost upgrades; Furthermore they let you wait for 30 days before paying you. This is outright hilarious.

But hey - they gotta pay for their expensive cars and flats I assume.

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Quote from: mare on March 11, 2014, 06:19:57 AM

Yes, I asked for a refund on Feb 25th, exactly the day when the 61 + 10 CPP delay allowed me to do so. They have 30 days time to refund me. Until now nothing. Antonio said that maybe they will refund earlier. Let's see. I'll keep you updated...

Did you ask for a USD or BTC refund? I'm wondering at what exchange rate you'll get your refund

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Quote from: matthewh3 on March 11, 2014, 05:08:05 AM

Quote from: jimmothy on March 11, 2014, 03:49:36 AM

Quote from: Min€r on March 11, 2014, 03:45:44 AM

Quote from: matthewh3 on March 11, 2014, 03:26:31 AM

Quote from: Wolke on March 10, 2014, 05:50:00 PM

Quote from: Finnminer on March 10, 2014, 05:46:08 PM

Quote from: giorgiotheclown on March 10, 2014, 05:30:23 PM

are you giorgios lawyer or what?

No, just a customer like everyone else here. I just think that people had way too optimistic expectations for such a high risk investment.

high risk for pre-order ? -> your seriously ? ..... pre-order have normal no high risk, if the company did a good job !...

delays can be happen -> maybe 2 or 4 weeks... but not month an month....

You're obviously very new to Bitcoin mining hardware pre-orders. IMHO Bitminer are doing a lot better job than Hashfast and their final specs are a lot closer to the mark than Cointerra. While I'll not even mention BFL shall I.

You really thinking of Bitmine? Huh

...not Bitmain Wink

... maybe you don`t know that Bitmine sold original 110nm Avalon chip hardware to clients monthes ago, forced them to upgrade it to their new hardware & even have not delievered that clients what should get their miners in November. The whole thing is a big fuck-up at all, including scamming people by shipping to Petahash their miners & flood market massive with chips. AFAIK this thing is even worse than BFL as they regulary posted some news & people got hardware from BFL even earlier. I don`t defend now BFL but they shipped me my 55nm chips after 100 days like they stated on their website.

IMHO Bitmine was the worst hardware producer I`ve ever ordered - I had really no company advertised such bullshit like Giorgio & changed whole contract include TOS-editing after.

Bfl had about a year delay for early orders.

While they first claimed their 28nm Monarchs would start shipping last October. While they've currently claimed they will start shipping in April #AsIf

So what´s the point you´re trying to make?
Every mining-producer who´s better than BFL is good?

Get real - and read how Bitmine advertised themselves. They were lying - and scamming early customers by delivering 80TH to petamine first who ordered far later than batch 1 customers.

They changed the CPP which was the main reason (as a backup guarantee) for customers to trust them.

They are scammers - simple as that.
They still can prove that they do care about customers - but obviously they have no interest in doing so at all.
Not one critical question was ever answered by them.

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Quote from: Finnminer on March 11, 2014, 05:18:56 AM

Quote from: Newar on March 11, 2014, 04:34:55 AM

Quote from: Finnminer on March 10, 2014, 05:04:46 PM

After 60 days you get more money back than what you paid in the first place. [...]

Who got their refund?

I don't know. Is there someone who's asked for a refund and not received it? Until there's proof that they don't refund I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Yes, I asked for a refund on Feb 25th, exactly the day when the 61 + 10 CPP delay allowed me to do so. They have 30 days time to refund me. Until now nothing. Antonio said that maybe they will refund earlier. Let's see. I'll keep you updated...

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The last official statement from bitmine.ch is now exactly one month old minus one day.

http://bitmine.ch/?p=5174

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