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Topic: Unveiling the truth over the major Monero scam - page 36. (Read 69429 times)

legendary
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Merit: 1050
Monero Core Team
Actually coins that are mined with ASICS and FPGAS are not vulnerable since these devices run GNU/Linux.

http://www.wired.com/2014/08/isp-bitcoin-theft/
Enough devices were redirected to mine ~$83,000 worth of coins.

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GNU/Linux is FLOSS and also has enough GPLv3 code deep inside the OS to ensure that the owner of the has to be provided with root access.

So much wrong.
There is no GPLv3-only code 'deep inside the OS', because Linux is licensed under GPLv2.
And there are millions of linux based devices out there for which the owner has not been provided with root access.


This is a case where the distinction between GNU/Linux the operating system and Linux the kernel is critical. The advent of Android as an alternative to GNU has made the old Stallman/Torvalds polemic highly relevant here. Linux the kernel is GPL v2, but a host of critical OS components in GNU/Linux starting with parts of the GNU toolchain are GPL v3. Android combined with certain BSD tools can be used to create operating systems using the Linux kernel that are subject to tivoization by avoiding the GPL v3 components. If one loosely refers to both kinds of operating systems as "Linux" then confusion will occur. One should also keep in mind that old versions of GNU/Linux 2007 and earlier that preceded the GPL v3 are of course also subject to tivoization. The latter is the reason why Amazon moved from GNU/Linux to Android/Linux for the Kindle after the release of the GPL v3. DRM infections in order to delete works such as George Orwell's 1984 do not work on recent versions of GNU/Linux and Amazon wished to keep the option to control and manipulate its customers.

The Canadian ISP hack attack is a different issue. There again the choice of an ISP is critical. The article does not identify the ISP culprit. The one thing I know here is that avoiding Rogers as an ISP is the prudent thing to do. We recently saw a Canadian Bitcoin exchange hacked because of the incompetence of Rogers at the data centre level.
legendary
Activity: 1105
Merit: 1000
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Next time you see a hero member, a senior member, or even a junior member that is posting for Monero...
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And what about Legendary members?

Even scarier those are!
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
A few gems about the special features that I have heard so much about.

"CryptoNote is the technology that allows creation of highly private egalitarian cryptocurrencies. (No sense or nonsense)

"Decimal point has been moved from BCN (18.446 million max supply instead of 184.46 billion). This is purely a UI change – technically there will be 264−1 atomic units (roughly 1019).

"My blockchain doesn’t work^
The first time you mine monero on a machine, you may want to speedup the syncing process by copying the blockchain from a previous machine. The blockchain.bin file is incompatible between Windows and Linux. It is a known problem with the boost library this is using to save the files."

"We are happy to announce a new version script. It now supports blockchain download, but only 64bit though, because we don’t have a clean 32bit provided by a user yet."

"Downloads: Win-64 (Vista and more) • Win-32 (XP) • OS X • Linux"

"Mac
Requires OS X Mavericks (10.9). Please note: this is not Wolf's miner, but LucasJones' which is less powerful."

"Important: this won't work on Windows out of the box! You must install MinGW, which is a tedious task."

"If you let you wallet opened all the time, you may think that you are not receiving any monero. This is because refresh is not automatic. You must either close the wallet and reopen it of, much more elegant, use the refresh command."

monero.cc
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1004
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Next time you see a hero member, a senior member, or even a junior member that is posting for Monero...
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And what about Legendary members?
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
Something feels not right about this coin.

legendary
Activity: 1552
Merit: 1047
Monero is very suspicious coin. I hear developer hardcode in 5 million xmr in their own wallets. Is it true???  Huh
full member
Activity: 133
Merit: 100
Monero is a false flag planted by the NSA to steal all your monies!

/S Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1030
Sine secretum non libertas
watching this important forensic work and insightful, intelligent debate.
legendary
Activity: 1638
Merit: 1001
Two can play this game.

Monero is the best!

there's a "two/three" joke in here somewhere.  I'll get back to you.
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1004
Two can play this game.

Monero is the best!
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
Actually coins that are mined with ASICS and FPGAS are not vulnerable since these devices run GNU/Linux.

http://www.wired.com/2014/08/isp-bitcoin-theft/
Enough devices were redirected to mine ~$83,000 worth of coins.

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GNU/Linux is FLOSS and also has enough GPLv3 code deep inside the OS to ensure that the owner of the has to be provided with root access.

So much wrong.
There is no GPLv3-only code 'deep inside the OS', because Linux is licensed under GPLv2.
And there are millions of linux based devices out there for which the owner has not been provided with root access.
donator
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1060
GetMonero.org / MyMonero.com
Do the large red letters signify anything?

Yes, it's Bytecoin code for cool.
legendary
Activity: 1638
Merit: 1001
Edit: Windows botnets are really a symptom of a much worse problem.

No, you have it wrong.

Windows botnets are not the fault of Microsoft, nor the fault of users who don''t maintain their computers properly.

They are entirely the fault of Monero devs, shills, and whales.

Got it?



Do the large red letters signify anything?
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
Edit: Windows botnets are really a symptom of a much worse problem.

No, you have it wrong.

Windows botnets are not the fault of Microsoft, nor the fault of users who don''t maintain their computers properly.

They are entirely the fault of Monero devs, shills, and whales.

Got it?

legendary
Activity: 1256
Merit: 1009

Coins $60/day volume don't even belong on a site with "top" altcoins. More like dead altcoins. Killed by the idiots who tried to use fraud to promote it. They could have been Monero, or bigger. That they are not must eat at their souls ever single day.





I'm seeing $4,500ish on coinmarketcap .. . .

$60 was quoted on this thread from the other day. But wow, $4500. Such volume.



Yea yea ... I'm no bytecoin fan.  Still dying tho - give it another month.

Kinda fun to see vert at 4X bytecoins volume Tongue
legendary
Activity: 2282
Merit: 1050
Monero Core Team
I am going to focus on the botnet issue because it is the only valid criticism I have seen of XMR among pages and pages of anti XMR posts. As fluffypony has correctly pointed out above virtually every POW coin and all POS coins are vulnerable to this. The notable exceptions at this point is XBT, and coins such as NMC that are merged mined with XBT because of ASIC mining. To understand and deal with this issue we must go to the root cause and recognize a fundamental flaw in distributed crypto currency models:

The solution here is to move the functions critical to the security of a coin away from DRM infected propriety operating systems such as Microsoft Windows to FLOSS operating systems such as GNU/Linux. In particular with a POW coin this means mining. This can be accomplished in a CPU / GPU coin by developing, releasing and supporting mining software only on GNU/Linux, and even going as far as avoiding cross platform development tools for the mining components. Making the mining software highly optimized for GNU/Linux. Targeting the ARM platform for mining is also a possibility. The idea is to make mining the coin far more efficient on GNU/Linux than on Microsoft Windows thereby putting botnets at a significant disadvantage.


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This excludes that vast majority including over 98% of desktop / laptop computers running propriety Microsoft Windows or OS X

Since when do people not get root access on OSX or have control of their system? Sure Apple has a walled garden with gatekeeper and AMFI by default, a user can override this if they wish. It's not really DRM as much as it is codesigning enforcement.

All coins are of course vulnerable to botnet mining,  CPU coins especially so. The largest XMR miner on minergate, botnet also. There are numerous ones mining XMR, and more will come for sure as the coin increases in value & exposure. I the  don't see it as huge issue personally, botherder tend to dump regularly instead of hoard. In some cases the market will feel no impact, because smart accumulator comes along with some webmoney to speak with, for all he knows is a AWS miner. Trying (and failing) to relegate CPU/GPU PoW on 'gnu/linux' than windows won't fix anything in long-term and it simply creates an uneven playing field and diminishes the user base



Actually coins that are mined with ASICS and FPGAS are not vulnerable since these devices run GNU/Linux. To have control of one's computing devices one needs both root (obviously) and a FLOSS OS since a propriety OS involves trusting the OS vendor typically a large corporation that there a no "malicious features" in the OS. If furthermore the OS is infected with DRM security analysis of the OS becomes illegal because of anti-circumvention laws. This discourages the good guys but not the bad guys. The bottom line here is that an OS vendor can either make the security and privacy of the end user paramount or the security and greed of organizations such as the MPAA, NFL etc paramount, but not both. One simply cannot serve two masters and no matter hard Microsoft or Apple tries they will fail to protect the end user.

GNU/Linux is FLOSS and also has enough GPLv3 code deep inside the OS to ensure that the owner of the has to be provided with root access. OS X comes close for historical reasons; since it does have a fair amount of FLOSS in the OS and the "owner" of a Apple PC is still granted access  to root by Apple. The problem here is that Apple has built a hugely successful business around DRM infected locked down devices in IOS. Furthermore code signing is how DRM is enforced in IOS, and it is a gatekeeper "upgrade" away in OS X. In the meantime any GNU/Linux optimized code can easily be ported to OS X.

Microsoft Windows is another matter. The operating system source code is a closely guarded secret when it comes to individuals and small business but it is provided on a regular basis to "trusted" partners such as the NSA (United States), the FSB (Russia) the PLA (China), and a host of other governments and large corporations. Microsoft is also a founding member of PRISM. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29. If you are a Microsoft Windows user I suggest reading the EULA in particular the section on "malicious software" Who determines if software is malicious? If one clicks "I agree" on the EULA one has given permission to Microsoft to remove crypto-currency software including files such as wallet.dat, wallet.bin etc., should a crypto-currency be deemed "malicious" by a government or by Microsoft itself.

When it comes to POW coins it is very important to recognize that most users do not need to be securing the network. All that is needed for this task is a widely distributed group of individuals that have complete control over their computing devices. It is for this reason that when it comes to mining the use of GNU/Linux must be encouraged and the use of Microsoft Windows discouraged. The objective here is to create a strong enough network of secure computers mining on GNU/Linux rather than to try to prevent mining on Microsoft Windows. Regular users should of course be able to use Microsoft Windows, just as they should be able to provide their private keys to the NSA, the FSB, the PLA, etc. if they should also choose.

Edit: Windows botnets are really a symptom of a much worse problem.
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198

Coins $60/day volume don't even belong on a site with "top" altcoins. More like dead altcoins. Killed by the idiots who tried to use fraud to promote it. They could have been Monero, or bigger. That they are not must eat at their souls ever single day.





I'm seeing $4,500ish on coinmarketcap .. . .

$60 was quoted on this thread from the other day. But wow, $4500. Such volume.

legendary
Activity: 1256
Merit: 1009

Coins $60/day volume don't even belong on a site with "top" altcoins. More like dead altcoins. Killed by the idiots who tried to use fraud to promote it. They could have been Monero, or bigger. That they are not must eat at their souls ever single day.





I'm seeing $4,500ish on coinmarketcap .. . .
full member
Activity: 227
Merit: 100
The Monero XMR Scam Uncovered
 My last thought might be a bit brave, but could rpietila's money be the actual target of this scam scheme?



ok so we need a bit of a collection to try and help Rpietila out then guys. He must be such a sucker to fall for such a dirty trick as that  

Cheesy   Cheesy   Cheesy

this is the funniest thread currently on btctalk - it wins the award for the most desperate FUD attempts of 2014 - congratulations.

the only problem i am afraid is all winnings are to be paid in bytecoin   Grin   as if you haven't got enough weighing down your bags
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198

Coins $60/day volume don't even belong on a site with "top" altcoins. More like dead altcoins. Killed by the idiots who tried to use fraud to promote it. They could have been Monero, or bigger. That they are not must eat at their souls ever single day.



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