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legendary
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I am not going to waste time teaching you how to read a graph and analyze an overall trend. Maybe your grandmother or sister can help you with that.

Monero price goes down.

Yeah, I just found another coin with a long downwards trajectory, it certainly has nothing going for it.

hero member
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Hahaha using a graph that goes to the 20. August when its the 26. August today, you guys are really so fucking stupid.
sr. member
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sr. member
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And the more I think about it, the more I realize how counterproductive your behavior is.

Why don' you just accept the fact that no one wants to use something that is 80+% pre mined and that trying to prop it up at the expense of XMR any longer is going to be nothing but a waste of effort?

A wise person would stop wasting time, give up on byte coin, and just buy monero. 2$ a coin right now...

Don't you realize you are better off just investing? It's like a "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" type of deal

Bytecoin will never win, no matter how mad you are...
sr. member
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hero member
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Bitmonero was launched by you scammy bytecoin fags, the community took over and rescued it.

Nothing wrong with the emission curve anyway, its clear and unchanged and everyone knows it.

Thanks for bumping our thread again idiot.

Keep your sockpuppets and their emission curve rap on a tight leash then. Rescuer my ass.

Bytecoin is a scam and let's leave it at that


corrected and now back to your cave.
sr. member
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Bitmonero was launched by you scammy bytecoin fags, the community took over and rescued it.

Nothing wrong with the emission curve anyway, its clear and unchanged and everyone knows it.

Thanks for bumping our thread again idiot.

Keep your sockpuppets and their emission curve rap on a tight leash then. Rescuer my ass.

Monero is a scam and let's leave it at that
donator
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GetMonero.org / MyMonero.com
You have to get your facts straight before posting nonsense. It was originally launched as Bitmonero and after certain chain of events it became XMR we know and "love" today.

Your theory (and I say your, because it's clear to everyone that, at the very least, you and Cheesus are the same person) is predicated on the high emission curve that you yourself voted for. Given this state of affairs, I think it's reasonable for us to conclude that the botnets are controlled and operated by you, the person who pushed for the emission curve.
hero member
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Bitmonero was launched by you scammy bytecoin fags, the community took over and rescued it.

Nothing wrong with the emission curve anyway, its clear and unchanged and everyone knows it.

Thanks for bumping our thread again idiot.
sr. member
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Cheesus Christ! Your fishy assumptions and accusations become more and more desperate.

Funny fact that you voted for the curve to stay as shown in the graph, so now you contradict yourself. Despite the fact that Bitmonero is not Monero...



Voted for the #20 curve.

I know it's selfish and all but I think that early adopters should earn more since they are taking the huge risk.

When adopting coin early you can't know for sure if you're going to win or lose. You're dedicating your hashpower to something that is not yet valued - you can be screwed big time.

So, the way I see it - curve should be left untouched.


Btw, the actual emission rate of Monero looks like this:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8317115


There's absolutely no difference between XMR PR/hype compared to any other coin. Your wishful thinking of purchased Hero-accounts is proven to be wrong at the beginning of this thread.
And you are blaming the Monero project for having renowned Bitcoin Whales inside their community, that's odd man. There's a reason why they decided to support Monero instead of one of the other 400 Altcoins...

Boy somehow you made me laugh, anyway
/ignored



Bitmonero is monero.
But what's in a name? that which we call a scam by any other name would be a scam;  


You have to get your facts straight before posting nonsense. It was originally launched as Bitmonero and after certain chain of events it became XMR we know and "love" today.

By the way, how are you going to justify the emission curve with this link ? It provides the data on April-May, not the whole emission curve. You know the difference, right?

As I've told before, get your god damn facts straight.
donator
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I am open to use some of my time to answer questions.

I have a couple of questions related to this thread.

1. What is your opinion on Monero botnet issue? Apparently, the coin is largely botnet mined to be dumped on the exchange?
2. Is that really posting you on Polo trollbox?

1. I don't know anything about mining and cannot comment on that.

2. Yes. (If it sounds weird, it is due to the venue being "trollbox") Wink
member
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Cheesus Christ! Your fishy assumptions and accusations become more and more desperate.

Funny fact that you voted for the curve to stay as shown in the graph, so now you contradict yourself. Despite the fact that Bitmonero is not Monero...




Voted for the #20 curve.

I know it's selfish and all but I think that early adopters should earn more since they are taking the huge risk.

When adopting coin early you can't know for sure if you're going to win or lose. You're dedicating your hashpower to something that is not yet valued - you can be screwed big time.

So, the way I see it - curve should be left untouched.


Btw, the actual emission rate of Monero looks like this:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8317115


There's absolutely no difference between XMR PR/hype compared to any other coin. Your wishful thinking of purchased Hero-accounts is proven to be wrong at the beginning of this thread.
And you are blaming the Monero project for having renowned Bitcoin Whales inside their community, that's odd man. There's a reason why they decided to support Monero instead of one of the other 400 Altcoins...

Boy somehow you made me laugh, anyway
/ignored

legendary
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I don't see what the botnet has to do with anything.
Don't many (or most) miners sell the coins they mine anyway?
sr. member
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I am open to use some of my time to answer questions.

I have a couple of questions related to this thread.

1. What is your opinion on Monero botnet issue? Apparently, the coin is largely botnet mined to be dumped on the exchange?
2. Is that really posting you on Polo trollbox?
donator
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I am open to use some of my time to answer questions.
donator
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GetMonero.org / MyMonero.com
I wonder why they're not very interested with botnets and fake accounts and pretend that nothing weird is going on

A cryptocurrency growing in popularity is being mined by botnets?? It can't be, this is surely unprecedented in all the history of all the world!

http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/07/botcoin-bitcoin-mining-by-botnet/
http://www.coindesk.com/microsoft-destroys-bitcoin-mining-botnet-sefnit/
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2332589/bitcoin-mining-botnets-and-windows-xp-threats-are-booming-says-dell-sonicwall
http://www.networkworld.com/article/2225927/security/gaming-company-caught-building-bitcoin-mining-botnet-from-users--computers-gets-off-light.html
http://www.scmagazine.com/bitcoin-mining-botnet-has-become-one-of-the-most-prevalent-cyber-threats/article/288315/
http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/bitcoin-botnet-mining
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-25653664
http://www.zdnet.com/nas-device-botnet-mined-600000-in-dogecoin-over-two-months-7000030662/
http://www.engadget.com/2014/02/25/bitcoin-cryptocurrency-compromise-pony-botnet/
http://blogs.mcafee.com/mcafee-labs/delving-deeply-into-a-bitcoin-botnet
http://securelist.com/blog/incidents/30863/the-miner-botnet-bitcoin-mining-goes-peer-to-peer-33/
http://bitcoinvox.com/article/883/litecoin-mining-botnet-using-cloud-accounts
http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoin/comments/1uvz7m/litecoin_botnet_killing_difficulty/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2452080/facebook-kills-lecpetex-botnet-which-hit-250000-computers.html
http://www.webroot.com/blog/2013/07/22/yet-another-commercially-available-stealth-bitcoinlitecoin-mining-tool-spotted-in-the-wild/
http://www.esecurityplanet.com/malware/researchers-warn-of-litecoin-mining-malware.html
http://imaginarymarkets.com/the-doge-report-rampaging-scrypt-botnet-jumps-from-litecoin-onto-dogecoin-causes-fear-and-panic/

And what are we supposed to do about fake accounts? Where we see them they get called out by us:

Monero has no cons while other altcoins have the same number of pros! So the right answer is obvious.

How can you compare this stupid altcoins with God blessed Monero?!

Never compare XMR with others coins. You know why? Because it is ridiculous.

Whoever is running this newbie-shill-train...this is getting more than a little tiring.

Seriously, what more must we do? It's a waste of time and effort calling out fake accounts - you should know, you've already been caught out as being a fake account.

If you're not convinced, you may continue giving your USD to botnet owners in exchange of worthless XMR

So you're suggesting people in a cryptocurrency forum stick to USD...?
sr. member
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terra-credit.com
H2. Monero's trade volumes are artificial

Fact one — large daily emission
Monero is emitted at the rate of roughly 22,000 XMR/day at the moment. At the time of writing this is roughly 78 BTC or $40,000.

Take a look at the XMR emission chart (depicted as "Bitmonero"). The emission rate is much higher than Bitcoin's or pretty much any other PoW altcoin.




Fact two — botnets
Monero is largely botnet mined and that has been confirmed on a number of occasions (even by the XMR devs themselves):

1. A 4 MHash/sec botnet confirmed (you may wish to read several pages starting with the post below, as there are some speculations on botnet mining economy):


2. Two other botnet operators have been confirmed. How many botnets do those operators have? What is their hash rate? Nobody knows.


3. What's more, there is an infamous XMR silent miner issue (used as a botnet software that runs on the vulnerable PCs):
XMR silent miner is being actively sold for $10

4. Monero Stealth miner affecting PCs already in June 2014 (mirror)


5. Here's a link to the virus base with this trojan (link from the thread above): https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/e2e6b6938879142c4e35542b5fe8d3eeec7bf9e682f915213fda009097c3878e/analysis/1401909211/

6. Another report on the issue on Reddit. Check this comment.


Fact three — whale support
rpietila is currently a Monero whale. Being a bitcoin millionaire he's capable of buying out large stakes of XMR that are dumped on the market. I'm not going to mirror those links, as everyone knows that rpietila is a whale and supports XMR. E.g.: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-rpietila-monero-economics-thread-702140


Fact four — natural trend is declining
During the last 4 months that have passed since Monero launch, the price has never broken the peak. It simply fails to grow in spite of all the PR hype and fake forum activity. Of course, there are periods of growth, but have a look at the historic chart:


Below the chart you may see the trade volumes. When XMR is being traded as usual at 100 BTC volume (standard XMR market behavior), the price gradually declines. The explanation for that is fairly simple (go back to facts #1 and #2). The botnet owners are slowly dumping their coins and drive XMR market down.

Secondly, notice that upward trend coincides with the significant spikes in volume (up to 300 BTC and more). Recheck it with #1 and #3. As the natural demand can in no way match the botnet supply, someone has to step in from time to time to help get it going further. This is most likely the whale buying large XMR sizes out. Alternatively, the XMR trade volume spikes may also be someone on the core team trying to sustain the price.

 
Implications

That being said, XMR is likely to be mined mostly by the botnets at the rate that is not justified by the demand. Botnet owners dump the coin as it is not showing any stable growth. That's it folks, the 78 BTC of daily trades come simply from the daily emission rate being pushed to the market. No surprise, why the price is generally going down.

Why is that so? CryptoNote has created new ways for the botnet owners to profit. Monero was largely botnet mined from the inception, so the main stakeholders are basically botnet operators. How do you make sure your profits are secure? You need someone buying out those daily volumes. There are two simple ways to ensure that:

1. Artificial PR/hype through purchased hero accounts.
2. Secure yourself a whale.

This has serious implications and may actually link us back to H1 on fake marketing/PR hype. Botnet owners are securing their profits by purchasing accounts and hiring shills. However, everything they do is for just one particular purpose: profit from their botnet mined coin. They make you feel that XMR is largely supported so that you give your money to them.

It's hard to say whether XMR core team is involved. Of course, they would deny any potential connection. However, I wonder why they're not very interested with botnets and fake accounts and pretend that nothing weird is going on.

Another point is that I'm not sure why such a prominent investor and cryptocurrency activist as rpietila supports the coin with such serious issues. I assume that he was somehow tricked into believing that XMR has the future. It might also be the case that core developers are not seeing the whole picture themselces and honestly believe that Monero is actually supported by a large number of people who are willing to buy more and more Monero. However, the reality is that all these people are dead wrong. Monero is being dominated by botnet owners; everything they do with the black PR techniques is to fuel its scam growth. My last thought might be a bit brave, but could rpietila's money be the actual target of this scam scheme?

Don't worry, XMR will be deep mined in half a year. When the emission declines to 20 BTC per day, the botnet interest will disappear naturally. After they choose another victim, the Monero's black PR hype will disappear and the coin will fall down.

If you're not convinced, you may continue giving your USD to botnet owners in exchange of worthless XMR.

Hypothesis 2 is accepted. Monero's trades are artificial.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Translation of OP: "I am butthurt and XMR is a scam."

Lol
legendary
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Nice OP. I always thought there was something really wrong with XMR as the prices were too damn high for a clone coin.

Monero is a fork of Bytecoin, not a "clone."  The clone of Bytecoin is called Dash.  http://dashcoin.net/

The market is firmly indicating changes/innovations implemented by the Monero fork make it much more valuable than the original Bytecoin.

I don't know if it is all innovations, maybe some of it is.

A lot of it is just transparency, communication, trust, integrity, a team that is too large and diverse for any sort of scam or conspiracy theory to fly (though you know such attacks will be made anyway), a clean and fair launch, etc. Even if XMR were an exact clone of BCN code-wise, at this point I would still put my money on XMR doing better. A lot better. Of course it isn't limited to just being a clone, and your point is well taken on that score.

Engaging in fraud and creating a fake blockchain and fake documents to back that up does not serve as a solid foundation for a coin. Once you start down the road of lies and deception and that's all you'll ever have. There is no escape.

The BCN code was fine (or at least mostly fine), and served as a good starting point for XMR. The whole value system, strategy, and complete lack of integrity behind BCN was most certainly not fine. That, and that alone, got them exactly where they are.

hero member
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I always thought there was something really wrong with XMR...

What exactly is "really wrong" with XMR? Please, provide some evidence of any wrong doing, if you can.

Anything at all. Or you're a troll.
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